Griffiths Valuation dates
Pat Traynor
in each County, here's some info from my files;
INDEX of SURNAMES of HOUSEHOLDERS
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Richard J.Hayes, Edward Keane; National Library of Ireland.
[Typescript lists of surnames of householders and occupiers of
land and buildings in Ireland in the 19th Century; as recorded
in the Tithe Applotment Books or TABs, and in the Griffith
Valuation. They are available in the National Library and the
National Archives. The Griffith fiche indexes A-IH and AJM are
alphabetical full name indexes to the Griffith Valuation records
only, and do not include entries in the TABs; some are available
in the National Archives].
These 35 volumes are very often the first port of call when
researching an Irish surname of whatever original ancestry. If the
family were farmers or town house occupiers then there is a
reasonable chance of the head of the family being listed in one of
these two sources, as indicated by an entry or entries in the
surnames indexes. The volumes are arranged in sections, the most
important being the main primary index which lists all surnames by
barony, with an indication of the number of households in the
Griffith Valuation, and whether or not a name appears in the TABs.
Then there are a series of Parish indexes for each barony.
For example, if all you know is that your ancestor was a Daniel
Dempsey married to a Margaret Sinnott and they came from Co.Cork
about 1850, then there are three volumes to be searched. The name
Dempsey is found in each volume - widely scattered throughout the
county; a total of 98 occupiers of the name in the Griffith
Valuation of 1850-3. There are variant spellings of the surname,
e.g. Dempsay and Dempsy. However, there is one single entry for the
name Sinnott, in the civil parish of Kilworth, in the Barony of
Condons & Clangibbon, in the volume for Cork East.
This illustrates very nicely the usefulness of this resource. The
next stage of research is to concentrate on the records relating to
the parish to try and find Daniel and Margaret and their forebears!
Consulting the Griffith Valuation, the name Patrick Sinnott is found
and it is reasonable to assume (as a working hypothesis) that he
must be the father or brother of Margaret! Of course, proving this
is another matter, but anyone who has done any genealogical research
will immediately recognise that even this amount of information is
of great value.
Naturally, there are limits. For example, in the case of the Cork
volumes, it would be fruitless to even try and use them to find a
McCarthy/Murphy alliance. The best that could be obtained from the
exercise would be to quantify the problem numerically (there are
2,758 entries for the name McCarthy and variant spellings!) - but
in such a case, the basic problem is that the couple could have come
from any part of the county so that other resources must be tapped
to try and find them.
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County Published Griffith TABs Notes
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Antrim 1970 1861-62 1824-35 (A-IH fiche)
Armagh 1967 1864 1825-35
Belfast City n/a 1861-62 cf.Antrim (A-IH fiche)
Carlow 1960 1852-53 1821-37 (A-IH fiche)
Cavan 1965 1856-57 1824-45
Clare 1964 1855 1814-43
Cork SW 1963 1850-52 1824-35 (A-IH fiche)
Cork E 1963 1851-53 1824-34 (A-IH fiche)
Cork NW 1963 1851-52 1825-34 (A-IH fiche)
Derry 1969 1858-59 1825-35 (aka Londonderry)
Donegal 1967 1857-58 1825-41
Down 1968 1863-64 1823-41 (A-IH fiche)
Dublin Co. 1967 1848-52 1821-46
Dublin City n/a 1854 cf.Co. (A-IH fiche)
Fermanagh 1968 1862 1824-35 (A-IH fiche)
Galway 1964 1855 1824-50
Kerry 1963 1852 1823-40
Kildare 1961 1851 1824-42
Kilkenny 1961 1849-50 1823-40
Laois 1961 1850-51 1821-43 (aka Leix,Queen's)
Leitrim 1965 1856 1829-35
Limerick 1963 1850-52 1822-35 (A-IH fiche)
Longford 1966 1854 1823-35 (A-IH fiche)
Louth 1966 1854 1823-36
Mayo 1964 1851-57 1815-42 (AJM fiche)
Meath 1966 1854 1823-37
Monaghan 1966 1858-61 1823-34 (A-IH fiche)
Offaly 1961 1853-54 1823-36 (aka King's)
Roscommon 1965 1852-58 1824-53
Sligo 1965 1858 1824-36
Tipperary SR 1962 1850-1 1809-46 (A-IH fiche)
Tipperary NR 1962 1848-52 1815-34 (A-IH fiche)
Tyrone 1968 1858-62 1815-34
Waterford 1962 1848-51 1820-34 (A-IH fiche)
Westmeath 1966 1854 1803-62
Wexford 1960 1853 1823-37
Wicklow 1960 1852-4 1822-38 (AJM fiche)
NOTES:
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The NLI Indexes do not include Dublin City or Belfast City. There
are alternative directories available in both cases; but these
would not include the same range of occupier names as Griffith.
Although the range of dates extends over the period 1848-64, most
Griffith Valuations date to the 1850s; and they cover roughly
70-80 per cent of the occupiers of property in Ireland.
The published valuation records are available on paper and in
microfiche format. The dates of the Tithe Applotment Books or TABs
depend on the parishes. The range of dates extends over the period
1803-62. However, most of them date to the 1820s and 1830s.
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For some parishes more than one TAB is available, or there are
none available, or they are undated, or list large landholders only,
or only give names for some townlands, or only list townland names
and not the occupiers, or are torn and difficult to read, or only
part of the parish was titheable, or the surviving book(s) cover
only part of the parish. Nevertheless, they are overall a very
important census substitute covering most of Ireland before the
Great Famine.
Once a particular family has been found in the Griffith records,
the transfer of ownership of the property can be traced in the
Valuation Office records in Dublin. This office has a set of
'cancelled books' which show how property was transferred from one
owner to the next from the 1850s to the present day. However, this
can be a relatively expensive exercise, and it is often more cost
effective (and more enjoyable!) to simply visit the area and ask
the local inhabitants!
The Chief
I presume you are a copyright holder for this material, or have
permission to post this?
Regards,
The Chief
FarmI
> I presume you are a copyright holder for this material, or have
> permission to post this?
Could you just pull your head in and keep quiet.
If he's the 'Pat Traynor' I suspect he is, then we are honoured to have
someone of his stature posting here.
I've heard of a 'Pat Traynor' in glowing terms because of his prodigious
knowledge of Irish genealogy and since I live on the other side of the world
and his reputation has spread this far, then I'd rather hear from him than
from someone I've never heard of called "The Chief".
The Chief
> "The Chief" <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote in message
I sincerely hope that Mr. Traynor is the wonderfull fellow you seem to
believe he his. However, posting large sections of someone else's work
without permission hardly enhances anyones "stature". At best it is
very bad form, and more probably simply illegal.
Regards,
The Chief
FarmI
>> "The Chief" <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote in message
>> > I presume you are a copyright holder for this material, or have
>> > permission to post this?
>>
>> Could you just pull your head in and keep quiet.
>>
> I sincerely hope that Mr. Traynor is the wonderfull fellow you seem to
> believe he his.
I used the word "suspect". That does not equal belief.
> However, posting large sections of someone else's work
> without permission hardly enhances anyones "stature". At best it is
> very bad form, and more probably simply illegal.
Which is of course is merely contrasted to your own "bad form" of being a
miserable belly acher because someone has tried to help someone else.
The Chief
No. I think it pretty bad that someone will go so far as to
potentially break the law so as to "help" an individual who could have
help themselves in less than 10 seconds, if they so wished. If that is
"bad form" in your eyes, then so be it.
Regards,
The Chief
Michael Brennan
to "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham.
Kind Regards
Michael Brennan
Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm
Home Page:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm
The Chief
wrote:
> The Griffiths Valuation for Roscommon was taken between 1857-58 according
> to "Tracing your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Michael Brennan
A little late to the party, or just a slow learner?
Regards,
The Chief