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Molan, Gary - ES/EW  
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 More options Oct 23, 2:09 pm
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From: "Molan, Gary - ES/EW" <Gary.Mo...@itt.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:18 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
HI, we have a Marriage Certificate from Bonn from 1878.

The Groom Carl Joseph Schneider comes from Erpel. (near Remagen in the Rheinland-Pfalz) (about 10km SE of Bonn).  After the marriage they went back to Erpel.

We cannot read the name of the town that the bride Christina Nagel is from.

It is in the middle of the picture and it says

und
Christina Nagel
Ledig,
Geboren zu ????? am 27 ten Februar 1851
Tochter von Johann Nagel und
Anna Maria Aussem
Hier erfolgt ist
Bonn, den 21 ten Januar 1878.

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Thank you for your help
Gary

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J. Anderl  
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 More options Oct 23, 5:32 pm
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From: "J. Anderl" <jose...@optonline.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:32:18 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
It looks to me like Thendeneck, but I can find no such place
in the ShtetlSeeker.  Oh, by the way, I read the date as
31. Januar, not 21.
Best regards,
J. Anderl

"Molan, Gary  wrote:

HI, we have a Marriage Certificate from Bonn from 1878.

The Groom Carl Joseph Schneider comes from Erpel. (near Remagen in the
Rheinland-Pfalz) (about 10km SE of Bonn).  After the marriage they went back to
Erpel.

We cannot read the name of the town that the bride Christina Nagel is from.

It is in the middle of the picture and it says

und
Christina Nagel
Ledig,
Geboren zu ????? am 27 ten Februar 1851
Tochter von Johann Nagel und
Anna Maria Aussem
Hier erfolgt ist
Bonn, den 21 ten Januar 1878.

The picture is hosted at
http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/view/full/2410080_wpou3

Thank you for your help
Gary

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GaryP55  
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 More options Oct 23, 8:28 pm
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From: GaryP55 <G...@optonline.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:28:24 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
Thank you

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:32:18 -0400, "J. Anderl"


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Joan Lowrey  
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 More options Oct 23, 9:37 pm
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From: Joan Lowrey <joanl...@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:37:48 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or
Jh, but under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the
last letter in the document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.

Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from
Bonn!  Does that make any sense?

It is/was in Kreis Ohlau, near Quosnitz, Zottwitz and Leisewitz.
Population in 1910 was 110.

Joan Neumann Lowrey


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Richard van Schaik  
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 More options Oct 23, 10:17 pm
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From: Richard van Schaik <f.m.a.vanschaikREM...@THISziggo.nl>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:17:31 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 23 2009 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate

Joan Lowrey wrote:
> The first letter is I, J. or T. I found no close matches under Ih or Jh,
> but under Th I found Theuderau. That could be it, although the last
> letter in the document doesn't look like a "u". But it could be.

> Theuderau is/was a knight's estate in Schlesien - far from Bonn!  Does
> that make any sense?

Same initial characters I had in mind, but no fitting place found in the
neighbourhood of Bonn (every variant (used viamichelin) came somewhere
below München or in the "far east" (limited to current Germany that is)).

I do think your option (or other options as likely) far from Bonn does
make sense.

A clear handwriting for the remaining and even that gives already a
struggle to get it right on this part.

Richard

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J. Anderl  
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 More options Oct 24, 9:04 am
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From: "J. Anderl" <jose...@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 9:04 am
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
It could, of course, have been a small suburb of one of the bigger
cities such as Bonn or Cologne, and has since been absorbed by
that city.  That happened a lot with the growth of towns and cities.
A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
background could shed some light on the matter.
(I find it hard to subscribe to the "Theuderau" theory - the letters
at the end of the word just don't match)
J. Anderl

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GaryP55  
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 More options Oct 24, 10:53 am
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From: GaryP55 <G...@optonline.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:53:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
thank you

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:37:48 -0700, Joan Lowrey <joanl...@pacbell.net>
wrote:


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From: GaryP55 <G...@optonline.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:53:51 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 10:53 am
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
thank you

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:17:31 +0200, Richard van Schaik


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From: GaryP55 <G...@optonline.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:54:11 -0400
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Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
thank you again

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0400, "J. Anderl"


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Daria Wieczorek  
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From: Daria Wieczorek <daria.wieczo...@uni-giessen.de>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:04:33 +0200
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate

J. Anderl wrote:
> It could, of course, have been a small suburb of one of the bigger
> cities such as Bonn or Cologne, and has since been absorbed by
> that city.  That happened a lot with the growth of towns and cities.
> A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
> background could shed some light on the matter.

My thoughts exactly - and that's why I just posted the same request to
de.sci.genealogie,

Daria


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Daria Wieczorek  
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From: Daria Wieczorek <daria.wieczo...@uni-giessen.de>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:19:51 +0200
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate

J. Anderl wrote:
> A German from the area who is also familiar with the historical
> background could shed some light on the matter.

Frank Hoffmann suggests in de.sci.genealogie
(<4ae34286$0$7624$9b4e6...@newsspool1.arcor-online.net>) that it might
be Kendenich, now part of Hürth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCrth#Kendenich

Daria


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GaryP55  
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 More options Oct 24, 2:30 pm
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From: GaryP55 <G...@optonline.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:30:36 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 24 2009 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: GEN-DE Help reading a Bonn Marriage Certificate
Thank you, we will try that town

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:19:51 +0200, Daria Wieczorek


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