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lkessler  
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 More options Sep 24 2008, 9:58 pm
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 24 2008 9:58 pm
Subject: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

                   GenSoftReviews Site Launched

         All the genealogy software, reviewed and rated by you.

Winnipeg, Manitoba -- September 24, 2008 -- Now there's a website
that
allows  users of genealogy software to rate and review the programs
they've
used or tried. This will allow others who are looking for programs to
better
compare and select software that will help them.

The site is located at:  www.gensoftreviews.com

The site is starting with 355 programs ready for review. You can
select
between Windows, Mac, Unix, handheld and online programs. Types
include
full-featured, GEDCOM utilities, website builders and other programs
useful
for genealogy.

The site collects ratings in five categories: Whether you enjoy using
it, if
you use it often, if it has easy input, useful output, and an overall
rating. Then you can write a short review and list the program's
biggest pro
and biggest con.

It is built using WordPress, allows quick and easy searching for a
particular program, and provides an RSS feed for all reviews, as well
as a
feed for each program.

"I created my "Louis Kessler's Genealogy Software Links" page for my
website
in 1997 and that page has been a popular genealogy web resource with
over
400,000 hits through the years. But I've always wanted to have more
than
just a list of programs. The new Genealogy Software Reviews site
allows
interactive user input and should be a more useful resource for
everyone."

The Genealogy Software Review site is free to use and does not
require
registration.

                                  ###

About Louis Kessler

Louis Kessler has been a genealogist and programmer for over 30 years.
He
has published newspaper articles on genealogy, given presentations on
genealogy, and is Past President of a regional Heritage Center. He is
the
developer of the genealogy program known as Behold that can be found
at
www.beholdgenealogy.com.

Contact Information

Louis Kessler
homep: www.lkessler.com
email: lkess...@lkessler.com


 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Sep 25 2008, 7:22 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:22:22 +0100
Local: Thurs, Sep 25 2008 7:22 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
In message of 25 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>                    GenSoftReviews Site Launched
>          All the genealogy software, reviewed and rated by you.
> Winnipeg, Manitoba -- September 24, 2008 -- Now there's a website
> that
> allows  users of genealogy software to rate and review the programs
> they've
> used or tried. This will allow others who are looking for programs to
> better
> compare and select software that will help them.
> The site is located at:  www.gensoftreviews.com

Thsi site reuqires you to have Javascript ON.  My client definitely
has this turned off.  So his site is useless to me.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/


 
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lkessler  
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 More options Sep 26 2008, 1:48 am
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 26 2008 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
On Sep 25, 6:22 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:

> Thsi site reuqires you to have Javascript ON.  My client definitely
> has this turned off.  So his site is useless to me.

Javascript is only required in order to post your own review. That is
part of the spam check needed, or a site like that wouldn't be
possible.

You can still go to the site and see everyone else's reviews with your
Javascript off.

Louis


 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Sep 26 2008, 3:25 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:25:15 +0100
Local: Fri, Sep 26 2008 3:25 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
In message of 26 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:

> On Sep 25, 6:22 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
>> Thsi site reuqires you to have Javascript ON.  My client definitely
>> has this turned off.  So his site is useless to me.
> Javascript is only required in order to post your own review. That is
> part of the spam check needed, or a site like that wouldn't be
> possible.

It is curious that my banks allow me to use their sites without any
spam check.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/


 
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 More options Sep 26 2008, 10:06 am
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 26 2008 10:06 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched

> > On Sep 25, 6:22 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
> It is curious that my banks allow me to use their sites without any
> spam check.

There's a big difference. With banks, you have to login, and that
makes it secure.

At GenSoftReviews, no login or registration is required, so automated
spambots can get in, and those are what have to be stopped.

A lot of sites use CAPTCHA (those hard to read words they make you
type in) but a lot of people find that annoying and some spambots
still can break through them.

There is nothing inherently malicious about Javascript. The fact is
that 99.9% of websites use and rely on JavaScript. The wonderful new
Web 2.0 AJAX functions are all JavaScript based, and people with
JavaScript turned off cannot use those either.

Louis


 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Sep 26 2008, 10:20 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:20:55 +0100
Local: Fri, Sep 26 2008 10:20 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
In message of 26 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:

>>> On Sep 25, 6:22 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
>> It is curious that my banks allow me to use their sites without any
>> spam check.
> There's a big difference. With banks, you have to login, and that
> makes it secure.
> At GenSoftReviews, no login or registration is required, so automated
> spambots can get in, and those are what have to be stopped.

You have provided your own answer.

Some sites recognise when javascript is not available and then move
you to another page of their site, sometimes with a suitable bit of
information.  So you could do the same, and impose whatever security
feature you feel necessary to handle the lack of Javascript.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/


 
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Wes Groleau  
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 More options Sep 26 2008, 8:58 pm
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From: Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:58:14 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 26 2008 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched

lkessler wrote:
> Javascript is only required in order to post your own review. That is
> part of the spam check needed, or a site like that wouldn't be
> possible.

Javascript is not "required" for spam prevention.

Blogging sites that I maintain get several hundred spam attempts a week.

More than 95% are stopped by two tricks:

1. A hidden field put in the form that has to be passed back.
    If the spammer invents a value that the server did not create
    recently, reject.

2. If the time between creating that value and getting it back
    is shorter than a human can type, reject.

The other five percent are discarded by Bayesian analysis.

One or two slip through in a month.

--
Wes Groleau

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 More options Sep 27 2008, 3:37 am
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Sep 27 2008 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
On Sep 26, 7:58 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:

> Javascript is not "required" for spam prevention.
> Blogging sites that I maintain get several hundred spam attempts a week.
> More than 95% are stopped by two tricks ...

Thanks for mentioning this Wes.

I've now implemented some non-javascript spam prevention techniques at
www.gensoftreviews.com and have turned off the Java-based HashCash
algorithm I was using. As long as all the automated spam is prevented,
I'll be happy to leave it this way.

Tim:  Please go back to gensoftreviews and try again to add the
reviews you originally wanted. I did test this in Firefox with
Javascript turned off, and it seemed to work okay. But if you
encounter any problems, please let me know.

Thanks. I didn't know that Javascript would be such a big issue with
some people, but as long as a workable solution is available, I'm
willing to do what I can.

Louis


 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Sep 27 2008, 5:34 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:34:06 +0100
Local: Sat, Sep 27 2008 5:34 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
In message of 27 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:

> On Sep 26, 7:58 pm, Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>> Javascript is not "required" for spam prevention.
>> Blogging sites that I maintain get several hundred spam attempts a week.
>> More than 95% are stopped by two tricks ...
> Thanks for mentioning this Wes.
> I've now implemented some non-javascript spam prevention techniques at
> www.gensoftreviews.com and have turned off the Java-based HashCash
> algorithm I was using. As long as all the automated spam is prevented,
> I'll be happy to leave it this way.
> Tim:  Please go back to gensoftreviews and try again to add the
> reviews you originally wanted. I did test this in Firefox with
> Javascript turned off, and it seemed to work okay. But if you
> encounter any problems, please let me know.

Can't enter the ratings.

> Thanks. I didn't know that Javascript would be such a big issue with
> some people, but as long as a workable solution is available, I'm
> willing to do what I can.

There is advice going round to turn Javascript off to avoid viruses.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/


 
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Wes Groleau  
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 More options Sep 27 2008, 9:26 am
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From: Wes Groleau <groleau+n...@freeshell.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:26:21 GMT
Local: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:26 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched

> In message of 27 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:
>> I've now implemented some non-javascript spam prevention techniques at
>> www.gensoftreviews.com and have turned off the Java-based HashCash
>> algorithm I was using. As long as all the automated spam is prevented,
>> I'll be happy to leave it this way.

Well, I _did_ mention that one or two a month slip through.
So, if "all" is to be taken literally....

Also, if one of those methods is Bayesian analysis, there will
be a training period to fine-tune the statistics.  And some Bayesian
implementations work better than others.

Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> There is advice going round to turn Javascript off to avoid viruses.

My approach to protection is multiple.  (1) I disallow certain actions
of Javascript, not all Javascript.  (2) I surf in a non-admin account.
(3) I run a proxy which filters out huge numbers of blackhat domains
(4) I like websites that are SIMPLE.

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 More options Sep 29 2008, 12:54 am
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 29 2008 12:54 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
On Sep 27, 4:34 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:

> Can't enter the ratings.

Right! Sorry I didn't check that first. That was a tough one to solve,
but I finally did.

You can do CSS star ratings, but unfortunately there is no way without
Javascript to pass the selected value to the form. So I had to use
select dropdown boxes instead which work but are not as pretty. Then I
had to hide the stars when Javascript is off, so I had to use CSS to
place the dropdowns on top of the stars thus hiding them.

Please try it again, and let me know if it now works. Thanks.

> There is advice going round to turn Javascript off to avoid viruses.

Javascript script viruses are possible, but are "largely
theoretical".  The one thing that is guaranteed by turning it off is
that you will disable functionality on many webpages.  See:
http://www.livinginternet.com/i/is_vir_mac.htm

None-the-less, I have made these changes and you should now be able to
submit a review and the ratings with Javascript off.

Louis


 
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Tim Powys-Lybbe  
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 More options Sep 29 2008, 4:00 am
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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:00:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
In message of 29 Sep, lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com> wrote:

> On Sep 27, 4:34 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:

>> Can't enter the ratings.
> Right! Sorry I didn't check that first. That was a tough one to solve,
> but I finally did.
> You can do CSS star ratings, but unfortunately there is no way without
> Javascript to pass the selected value to the form. So I had to use
> select dropdown boxes instead which work but are not as pretty. Then I
> had to hide the stars when Javascript is off, so I had to use CSS to
> place the dropdowns on top of the stars thus hiding them.
> Please try it again, and let me know if it now works. Thanks.

It? Where is it?  (FX:  Digs for IT and finds buried treasure. /FX)

  "Empty Document

  "The document sent by the server is empty"

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
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 More options Sep 29 2008, 2:06 pm
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 29 2008 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
On Sep 29, 3:00 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:

> It? Where is it?  (FX:  Digs for IT and finds buried treasure. /FX)
>   "Empty Document
>   "The document sent by the server is empty"

That can happen if there is in error in the php on the page. But the
page comes up okay testing for me with Javascript off in Firefox and
in IE6 (although I notice that the boxes are not placed correctly over
the stars in IE6. I'll have to try IE7 later). So the page itself is
okay.

What webbrowser do you use?

It could also happen if the webserver is busy and times out, which
unfortunately (according to my logs) happens a few times a day.  Were
all pages of the site giving you that, or only the pages where you can
add your review?

Louis


 
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Patrick Texier  
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 More options Oct 2 2008, 12:06 am
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From: Patrick Texier <p.tex...@alussinan.org>
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:06:45 +0200
Local: Thurs, Oct 2 2008 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
Le Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:58:51 -0700 (PDT), lkessler a crit :

> The site is located at:  www.gensoftreviews.com

Two errors:

- LifeLines is available on Unix and Windows.
- Philippe Ramona is not a Heredis developper.
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 More options Oct 2 2008, 8:23 pm
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From: lkessler <lkess...@lkessler.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 2 2008 8:23 pm
Subject: Re: Press Release: GenSoftReviews Site Launched
On Oct 1, 11:06 pm, Patrick Texier <p.tex...@alussinan.org> wrote:

> Two errors:
> - LifeLines is available on Unix and Windows.
> - Philippe Ramona is not a Heredis developper.

Thank you.  I've now made those corrections.

Why not add a review? Neither Lifelines nor Heredis have one yet.

Louis


 
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