Occupation - Gardener
Ned Ramm
a market gardener, a landscape gardener, a horticultural labourer or
an uprooter of weeds and mower of lawns?
Ned Ramm
Liz
Probably the lower grades you specify. Victorians were very hierarchical
and a simple gardener would be superior to 'gardener's boy' but inferior
to 'Head gardener'. All would be employees. A 'market gardener' might
well be independent, owning a bit of land, and a 'landscape
gardener',probably a proffessional, would be specified as such.
And don't forget 'seedsman' who was usually independent and running a
small business
Liz
Lesley Robertson
Liz wrote:
"Where" is often a useful bit of info inqueries like this!
One of my multi-greats in Cupar Fife described himsefl as a gardener - he
was the man who maintained the local bowling greens! Not the sort of thing
you'd find in a rural setting.
Lesley Robertson
Sarndra
with a small amount of their own land....
Sarndra :o)
Ned Ramm wrote in message <361afc3...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
Will Pratt
>
> my g g g g Grandfather was a 'yeoman' ....apparently it describes a gardener
> with a small amount of their own land....
>
> Sarndra :o)
Assuming it was used correctly, a yeoman was a commercial farmer who
owned his own land, as contrasted to a tenant, who rented land from a
large land owner. A tenant generally had a larger operation than a
yeoman, but both would have a number of hired laborers, and the more
successfull might verge on being lower-level gentry.
Will
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Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake
writes
>Ned Ramm wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know what a victorian census occupation of Gardener meant:
>> a market gardener, a landscape gardener, a horticultural labourer or
>> an uprooter of weeds and mower of lawns?
>>
>> Ned Ramm
>
>and a simple gardener would be superior to 'gardener's boy' but inferior
>to 'Head gardener'. All would be employees. A 'market gardener' might
>well be independent, owning a bit of land, and a 'landscape
>gardener',probably a proffessional, would be specified as such.
>And don't forget 'seedsman' who was usually independent and running a
>small business
>Liz
>
from there) census in detail. The super-enumarator often wrote in pencil
over the original entry either 'market' or 'domestic' to indicate the
type of gardener a person was. If 'market' they would be the type of
person who appeared in trade directories under the "Gardener & Seedsman"
category. You can check this out by finding a contemporary directory for
the census area and see if he is listed.
Not sure what this has to do with computing, but I was here anyway...
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Ned Ramm
>Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake wrote
>Take a look at the UK census in detail. The super-enumarator often wrote in pencil
>over the original entry either 'market' or 'domestic' to indicate the
>type of gardener a person was.
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This sounds good advice - my initial interest was because an ancestor
was described as a Gardener in 1851 but by 1858 was an Innkeeper; if
he had been a domestic gardener this would have been a very good
career move!!!
>he also wrote:
>Not sure what this has to do with computing, but I was here anyway...
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My mistake - I pressed the wrong key: sorry
On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 05:33:26 GMT, I had written::
>Does anyone know what a victorian census occupation of Gardener meant:
>a market gardener, a landscape gardener, a horticultural labourer or
>an uprooter of weeds and mower of lawns?
>
>Ned Ramm
Ned Ramm
Cheryl Singhal
ER>a market gardener, a landscape gardener, a horticultural labourer or
ER>an uprooter of weeds and mower of lawns?
market gardener = farmer, small scale.
landscape gardener = head gardener or possibly a landscape designer
I see no useful difference in the job descriptions of the the last two
and a vast majority of "gardeners" would fall here.
* OLX 2.1 TD * sing...@erols.com
Sarndra
Will Pratt wrote in message <361B7C3B...@nevada.edu>...
>Sarndra wrote:
>>
>> my g g g g Grandfather was a 'yeoman' ....apparently it describes a
gardener
>> with a small amount of their own land....
>>
>> Sarndra :o)
>><snip>
>
>Assuming it was used correctly, a yeoman was a commercial farmer who
>owned his own land, as contrasted to a tenant, who rented land from a
>large land owner. A tenant generally had a larger operation than a
>yeoman, but both would have a number of hired laborers, and the more
>successfull might verge on being lower-level gentry.
>
>Will
Thanks Will, that was interesting to learn and suits my ancestors case
accurately....
He was Richard EVANS and came to Heathcote Valley, Canterbury, New Zealand
(1855) from Surrey, England. Supposedly a gardener at Kew Gardens in London
I think, but have to verify this as yet....he appears to have had his own
land and farmed thereon.
Thanks again
Sarndra
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>>Does anyone know what a victorian census occupation of Gardener meant:
>>
I have been comparing the census entries of 1851 with the estate
accounts for the same period at Trentham, Staffordshire. There are
two classes.
Those who appear as 'Gardeners' in the census are either journeymen or
apprentices (i.e. training to be professional gardeners), are normally
under 30, unmarried, and were often born in another part of the UK
(often Scotland in the case of Trentham).
The others appear as 'garden labourers' , were normally born locally
and could be older and often married with children.
In addition, many of the 'gardeners' lived in what is described in
successive censuses as gardeners rooms, gardeners lodgings or the
Bothy, i.e. a purpose-built lodging in the walled garden, while the
'garden labourers' were usually living in estate cottages with their
families in the nearby villages.
There is, of course, in addition, the Head Gardener, an awe-inspiring
figure, living in a substantial house in the walled garden, and having
a servant in his household.
Keith Goodway