I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William Henry Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers occupation is listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census on the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, occupation and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however on this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the names, but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription error, and I should be looking at this family instead? Any help gratefully received!!!
-- Suzanne
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In article <bfivjv$f9qh...@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de>, Alice Cooper <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> writes
>I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William Henry >Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers occupation is >listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census on >the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, occupation >and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however on >this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the names, >but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription error, >and I should be looking at this family instead? >Any help gratefully received!!!
>-- >Suzanne
Hi Suzanne,
It has to be said that *any* transcript will have errors and the LDS' 1881 census index is no exception!
The *only* way to solve this mystery is to get copies of the original census enumerators' pages, which will be very easy as you already have the piece and folio numbers from the index. If you contact the Family Records Centre in London they may be able to help.
Best wishes Rob Dewsall --
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> I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William Henry > Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers occupation is > listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census on > the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, occupation > and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however on > this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the names, > but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription error, > and I should be looking at this family instead? > Any help gratefully received!!!
> -- > Suzanne
Don't know if this really helps but there's a William Barker, Platelayer, with his family including 16yo son, William H Barker, Butcher's Asst on the 1891 Census, living in 10, Back Hall St, Bilston, Staffs.
Clive Holden (Kent GB)
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Thanks - that would make sense (the 1902 marriage took place in Bilston). Have you got any details of the mother? I think this may well prove I've been looking at the wrong family! Just an aside, but William Henry is down on the marriage as a baker, so all I need is to find he was a candlestick maker and I've got the set!! Thanks again Suzanne
> "Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:bfivjv$f9qhn$1@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de... > > I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William Henry > > Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers occupation > is > > listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census on > > the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, > occupation > > and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however > on > > this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the > names, > > but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription > error, > > and I should be looking at this family instead? > > Any help gratefully received!!!
> > -- > > Suzanne
> Don't know if this really helps but there's a William Barker, Platelayer, > with his family including 16yo son, William H Barker, Butcher's Asst on the > 1891 Census, living in 10, Back Hall St, Bilston, Staffs.
> Clive Holden (Kent GB)
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William Head 48 Platelayer Harriet Wife 46 Elizabeth J Dau 21 Domestic Servant John J Son 18 Railway Goods Porter Willaim H Son 16 Butchers Asst Joseph Son 15 Tin Plate Worker Alfred Son 13 Scholar Ann Dau 11 Scholar Samuel Son 8 Scholar
All born in Bilston
Clive Holden (Kent GB)
"Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> Thanks - that would make sense (the 1902 marriage took place in Bilston). > Have you got any details of the mother? I think this may well prove I've > been looking at the wrong family! Just an aside, but William Henry is down > on the marriage as a baker, so all I need is to find he was a candlestick > maker and I've got the set!! > Thanks again > Suzanne
> > "Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > news:bfivjv$f9qhn$1@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William > Henry > > > Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers > occupation > > is > > > listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census > on > > > the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, > > occupation > > > and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however > > on > > > this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the > > names, > > > but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription > > error, > > > and I should be looking at this family instead? > > > Any help gratefully received!!!
> > > -- > > > Suzanne
> > Don't know if this really helps but there's a William Barker, Platelayer, > > with his family including 16yo son, William H Barker, Butcher's Asst on > the > > 1891 Census, living in 10, Back Hall St, Bilston, Staffs.
> > Clive Holden (Kent GB)
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Have you picked up the family in 1881 now? William senior wasn't a Platelayer then, but a Coal Miner -
William BARKER Head M Male 38 Bilston, Stafford, England Coal Miner Harriet BARKER Wife M Female 36 Bilston, Stafford, England Joan E. BARKER Daur U Female 11 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar Enoch BARKER Son U Male 10 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar John T. BARKER Son U Male 8 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar William H. BARKER Son U Male 6 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar Joseph BARKER Son U Male 5 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar Alfred BARKER Son U Male 3 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar Ann BARKER Daur U Female 1 Bilston, Stafford, England
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Source Information: Dwelling Hall St Census Place Bilston, Stafford, England Family History Library Film 1341674 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2814 / 79 Page Number 4
"Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> Thanks - that would make sense (the 1902 marriage took place in Bilston). > Have you got any details of the mother? I think this may well prove I've > been looking at the wrong family! Just an aside, but William Henry is down > on the marriage as a baker, so all I need is to find he was a candlestick > maker and I've got the set!! > Thanks again > Suzanne
> > "Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > news:bfivjv$f9qhn$1@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William > Henry > > > Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers > occupation > > is > > > listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census > on > > > the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, > > occupation > > > and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however > > on > > > this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the > > names, > > > but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription > > error, > > > and I should be looking at this family instead? > > > Any help gratefully received!!!
> > > -- > > > Suzanne
> > Don't know if this really helps but there's a William Barker, Platelayer, > > with his family including 16yo son, William H Barker, Butcher's Asst on > the > > 1891 Census, living in 10, Back Hall St, Bilston, Staffs.
> > Clive Holden (Kent GB)
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Thanks - it gets odder and odder! I already have this birth certificate, but had discarded it as a dead end because it said fathers occupation was a miner, and I was convinced it should be platelayer! Is it likely that between the ages of 38 and 48 William snr decided mining wasn't for him, and moved into platelaying? Perhaps ill health, or would platelaying be an equally demanding job? Sorry for all the questions. I am still quite new at this! Unfortunately I think I was getting a bit cocky, assumed a connection that wasn't there and went off looking at completely the wrong family! Still I suppose that happens a lot to the unsuspecting and over eager and at least I'll be more cautious next time! Suzanne
"L. Bousbaine" <wayl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Have you picked up the family in 1881 now? William senior wasn't a > Platelayer then, but a Coal Miner -
> William BARKER Head M Male 38 Bilston, Stafford, England > Coal Miner > Harriet BARKER Wife M Female 36 Bilston, Stafford, England > Joan E. BARKER Daur U Female 11 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > Enoch BARKER Son U Male 10 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > John T. BARKER Son U Male 8 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > William H. BARKER Son U Male 6 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > Joseph BARKER Son U Male 5 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > Alfred BARKER Son U Male 3 Bilston, Stafford, England > Scholar > Ann BARKER Daur U Female 1 Bilston, Stafford, England
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Source Information: > Dwelling Hall St > Census Place Bilston, Stafford, England > Family History Library Film 1341674 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 2814 / 79 > Page Number 4
> "Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > news:bfjh42$ekla6$1@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de... > > Thanks - that would make sense (the 1902 marriage took place in Bilston). > > Have you got any details of the mother? I think this may well prove I've > > been looking at the wrong family! Just an aside, but William Henry is down > > on the marriage as a baker, so all I need is to find he was a candlestick > > maker and I've got the set!! > > Thanks again > > Suzanne
> > > "Alice Cooper" <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message > > > news:bfivjv$f9qhn$1@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William > > Henry > > > > Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers > > occupation > > > is > > > > listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 > census > > on > > > > the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, > > > occupation > > > > and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate > however > > > on > > > > this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the > > > names, > > > > but the occupation is brick layer. Is it likely to be a transcription > > > error, > > > > and I should be looking at this family instead? > > > > Any help gratefully received!!!
> > > > -- > > > > Suzanne
> > > Don't know if this really helps but there's a William Barker, > Platelayer, > > > with his family including 16yo son, William H Barker, Butcher's Asst on > > the > > > 1891 Census, living in 10, Back Hall St, Bilston, Staffs.
> > > Clive Holden (Kent GB)
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In article <bfivjv$f9qh...@ID-172162.news.uni-berlin.de>, Alice Cooper <s.fisher6xxxnospam...@ntlworld.com> writes
>I am having great trouble locating the birth certificate of William Henry >Barker age 27 on marriage certificate in oct 1902. His fathers occupation is >listed as Platelayer and his name is also William. From the 1881 census on >the LDS site, I can only find one family that fits fathers name, occupation >and sons name. I have not been able to trace a birth certificate however on >this information. My question is, there is another family fitting the names, >but the occupation is brick layer.
It is quite a common surname, so I am faintly surprised there are only twoi who fir. Go for the platelayer. These men moved around a fair amount with the railways and it is quite possible the father was a railway navvy when the son was born. They didn't bother all that much about registration, working in remote places. If yer man has the railway company for whom he worked stated in 1881, then there may be railway compnay records at PRO or possibly York. GWR is best covered, (See D Hawkings, Railway Records)
-- Eve McLaughlin
Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
