Dwelling: 31 New Nichol St Census Place: Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341089 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0410 Folio 32 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George CLEAVE M 30 M Middlesex, England Rel: Head Occ: Brush Maker Elizabeth CLEAVE M 29 F Middlesex, England Rel: Wife George F. CLEAVE 10 M Middlesex, England Rel: Son Thomas H. CLEAVE 7 M Middlesex, England Rel: Son Rebecca CLEAVE 9 F Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Mary Ann CLEAVE 5 F Middlesex, England Rel: Daur Albert CLEAVE 1 M Middlesex, England Rel: Son
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"Jamie" <jam...@this.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
I am trying to find Elizabeth Jane Griffin born about 1864 daughter of Charles Griffin in 1888 on her marrige certificate her place of residence was given as Beaconsfield road deal Is it possible for someone to check the 1881 census for me and/or if possible the 1891 to see if the family was living there at those times Thankyou Paula Waymark
In article <20021017153219.11568.00002...@mb-cp.aol.com>,
stardreamer9...@aol.com (Star dreamer9232) wrote: > I am trying to find Elizabeth Jane Griffin born about 1864 daughter of > Charles Griffin in 1888 on her marrige certificate her place of > residence was given as Beaconsfield road deal
Do you have a rough place of birth, either from a birth certificate or the 1901 census? There are lots of Elizabeth Griffins and several Elizabeth J(ane) Griffins on the 1881 (although I can see no obvious candidates in Kent). There is a servant in Hampshire, born in "Buckland, Portsmouth" and another in London, born in Edgware, Middlesex.
unfortunatly i have as yet no idea where she was born Her Father Charles Griffin was we know a Gamekeeper according the afor mentioned marriage certificate i havent been able to trace him either her married name was Bishop her marriage took place in st leanards Deal in 1888 both she and her husband gave their place of residence as being Beaconsfield road deal (no number) he was called Edwin Arthur Bishop also born about 1864 he was a bootmaker i tried the 1901 census but could find no mention of her or his family though it is thought they lived in deal and her children were born there Edwins family according to family heresay came from Oxford originally his father was Frederick Bishop Paula
Will it was very rude of me and i appoligise for neglecting to thank you for your time and effort in looking up my request it was very much apprieciated Paula
Hi graham Elizabeth Jane Griffin born about 1864 birth place unknown married st leanards upper Deal kent england husband Edwin Arthur Bishop also born about 1864 her father Charles Griffin his father Frederick Bishop Their first child thought to be their son Frederick c Bishop probably born before 1891 census cant find any of above in 1901 census trying to locate them in previous censuses Family heresay says they lived most of early marrage in Deal moving to dover in 1920s Paula
Dwelling: Broad Street Cigar Shop Census Place: Teddington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341199 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0842 Folio 107 Page 47 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Frederick ATTEWELL M 32 M Newbury, Berkshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Paper Hanger Thereas ATTEWELL M 33 F Vernham Dean, Hampshire, England Rel: Wife Frederick L. ATTEWELL 6 M Kingston, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Archibald O. ATTEWELL 4 M Stroud, Gloucester, England Rel: Son
> Dwelling: Broad Street Cigar Shop > Census Place: Teddington, London, Middlesex, England > Source: FHL Film 1341199 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0842 Folio 107 > Page 47 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Frederick ATTEWELL M 32 M Newbury, Berkshire, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Paper Hanger > Thereas ATTEWELL M 33 F Vernham Dean, Hampshire, > England > Rel: Wife > Frederick L. ATTEWELL 6 M Kingston, Surrey, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Archibald O. ATTEWELL 4 M Stroud, Gloucester, England > Rel: Son
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In article <20021018160827.11609.00002...@mb-cp.aol.com>,
stardreamer9...@aol.com (Star dreamer9232) wrote: > Elizabeth Jane Griffin born about 1864 birth place unknown > married st leanards upper Deal kent england husband Edwin Arthur Bishop <snip> > Their first child thought to be their son Frederick c Bishop probably > born before 1891 census
There are a few possibilities... There's a Frederick Bishop aged 8 living in Chatham, apparently the son of Frederick (32, Iron Founder) and Eliza Bishop (30), most likely with two brothers.
Another is Fred Bishop, aged 12 and living in Boughton Aluph. His parents, whose ages and occupation aren't really right, are Arthur Bishop (41, b. Boughton Aluph, Waggoner On Farm) and Frances Bishop (45, b. Warehorne, Kent). Elizabeth Bishop could have died and Edwin Arthur remarried. There is a flaw in that theory though: Arthur Bishop is shows as a border on the 1881 census, in the same household as a Fanny Howland, born 1856 in Warehorne, Kent - and a check on FreeBMD shows a marriage between them in 1882.
Some potentially good news though. FreeBMD shows an Edwin Arthur Bishop born in 1864 in Ipswich. He's on the 1881 census with his aunt and sister (but no father to check against). His occupation is boot-related:
Dwelling: 4 Little St. Marys Lane Census Place: St Mary the Less, Cambridge, Cambridge, England Source: FHL Film 1341399 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1668 Folio 71 Page 29 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Emma HOWARD W 48 F Norwich Rel: Head Occ: Surgical Nurse Harriet R. BISHOP U 26 F Norwich Rel: Niece Occ: Machinist Edwin A. BISHOP U 17 M Ipswich (S) Rel: Nephew Occ: Apprentice Boot Closer
Searching the 1901 census for suitable Bishops born in Ipswich turns up nothing.
There's an Elizabeth Griffin, aged 14 born Walworth, Surrey, in the 1881 living with her aunt and uncle (Wests) in St George in the East, London. There's a widowed Elizabeth Bishop, aged 39 born Walworth, in the 1901 living with two sons (probably), George and William, in St George the Martyr, Southwark. These could be the same person, but then again there's every possibility that they aren't.
No luck turning up Frederick and Elizabeth Jane Bishop on the 1901 as yet.
Thanks Will Edwin was still alive in 1930 his wife Elizabeth had died before 1927 still working on discovering exactly when. he didnt remarry they had two known sons Frederick C and Edwin junior also 5 daughters one of whom was an Emma( the others were Florence -Daisy-Elizabeth -Ethel) the last two were definately born after 1901 census The Family all seem to think Edwin and Elizabeth were in Deal Kent in 1901 someone, cant remember who told me some Deal records were lost is that possible? Thanks again for your time and help Paula
In article <20021020071216.23987.00003...@mb-fq.aol.com>,
stardreamer9...@aol.com (Star dreamer9232) wrote: > The Family all seem to think Edwin and Elizabeth were in Deal Kent in > 1901 someone, cant remember who told me some Deal records were lost is > that possible?
Yes, some records from Deal are lost from the 1901. It wouldn't surprise me if your family is among them. You might have to wait for the 1891 at Ancestry (or elsewhere) to get an idea of where they were born.
> In article <20021020071216.23987.00003...@mb-fq.aol.com>, > stardreamer9...@aol.com (Star dreamer9232) wrote:
> > The Family all seem to think Edwin and Elizabeth were in Deal Kent in > > 1901 someone, cant remember who told me some Deal records were lost is > > that possible?
> Yes, some records from Deal are lost from the 1901. It wouldn't surprise > me if your family is among them. You might have to wait for the 1891 at > Ancestry (or elsewhere) to get an idea of where they were born.
Most (all?) of the Deal records from 1901 are lost. The 1891 census is available (unindexed) from S&N on CD. Since Kent is a large county I suspect that this will be one of the last that Ancestry will release an index for.
Incidentally while the Deal section of the 1891 is available there is no street index and much of the writing is poor so it is not easy to locate individuals
Thanks to everyone who answered my request i was beginning to think all the people i was looking for had either 1 hid in cellars when various censuss were on 2 fled the country 3 changed thier names for the day <grin> Its very annoying that they chose to live in a place where the records disappeared <another very wry grin> but thanks for trying Paula
