SHIP ENQUIRY

[Dianne]

Hi all, I have a family who travelled on the ship Elphinstone arriving at
Port Jackson NSW on 7.7.1848. Left Plymouth on 8/3/1848. Trying to find an
image of this barque - there is a ship called the mountstewart Elphinstone.
WOULD ANYONE KNOW IF THIS MAY BE THE SAME SHIP.

MANY THANKS, REGARDS, DIANNE

[MargM]

"Dianne" <di...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all, I have a family who travelled on the ship Elphinstone
> arriving at Port Jackson NSW on 7.7.1848. Left Plymouth on
> 8/3/1848. Trying to find an image of this barque - there is a
> ship called the mountstewart Elphinstone.
> WOULD ANYONE KNOW IF THIS MAY BE THE SAME SHIP.

No different vessels . One was a barque and the other a ship

See http://tinyurl.com/8azluvv

Check in trove . You might find ref to the weight/ Tonne of each
and search Google for the difference in various sailing vessels


Bye


--
MargM
Beautiful NSW Central Coast

[Tony Moore]

Dear Dianne,

The exact difference in the two vessels is 86 tons (deadweight).

ELPHINSTONE
BARQUE OF LONDON , HENRY TILMAN, MASTER, BURTHEN 425 TONS,
FROM THE PORT OF FALMOUTH TO PORT JACKSON,
NEW SOUTH WALES, 7TH JULY 1848
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1848/07/013elp.htm


MOUNT STUART ELPHINSTONE
BARQUE OF LONDON, WILLIAM DALE, MASTER, BURTHEN 511 TONS
FROM THE PORT OF MELBOURNE TO PORT JACKSON, NEW SOUTH WALES
31ST JULY 1852
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1852/07/057mou.htm

see also:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8919898

Barque: (definition):
1. a sailing ship of three or more masts having the foremasts rigged square and
the aftermast rigged fore-and-aft
2. 1. A sailing ship with from three to five masts, all of them square-rigged
except the after mast, which is fore-and-aft rigged.
3. http://img.tfd.com/wn/EF/6207F-barque.png
4. http://tinyurl.com/8zfxhtu

General Answer: very close barques (woof !)


Cheers,

Tony Moore
(Castle Hill, NSW)

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On 9 Oct 2012 at 16:13, Dianne wrote:

[Doug Laidlaw]

Actually, from Google listings, the difference in size wasn't great. 425
tons for the barque, 511 tons for the ship.

To give you an idea, look at the drawing on my Home Page
http://www.douglaidlaw.net/boykett/ This is an artist's impression of what
a barque would look like, done for a Boykett in Adelaide . In size, the
"Gipsy" was larger than the Buffalo and smaller than the Polly Woodside:
follow the Gipsy.html link to get photos of both and stats. I seem to
recall that the Gipsy was originally called a barque, but the NZ page linked
near the top now calls her a ship. The volume of the Log of Logs listing her
is missing from our library. All 3 examples had 3 masts.

HTH,

Doug.