NEPAD - AFRICA'S LATEST / BIGGEST SCAM
walther
African countries, destroys food security in countries like Zimbabwe and
Zambia." says Mbeki's economic adviser, Professor Wiseman Nkuhlu.
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Location: Sunday 23 Jun 2002 > Africa news
African leaders seek G8 action
Leaders look to rich to help kick-start Nepad
RANJENI MUNUSAMY
President Thabo Mbeki will not "go begging" to the Group of Eight
industrialised nations this week, but will be asking the world's most
powerful leaders to deliver on their commitments and development goals for
Africa.
Mbeki, Nigeria's President Olusegun Obasanjo, Algeria's Abdelaziz
Bouteflika, Senegal's Abdoulaye Wade and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak's talks with
the G8 in Canada this week are being billed as the most crucial meeting for
the New Partnership for Africa's Development, the recovery plan designed by
the African leaders.
Mbeki's economic adviser and head of the Nepad secretariat, Professor
Wiseman Nkuhlu, said this week that while the African leaders will pledge
stability and good governance on the part of the continent, they were
seeking undertakings for market access, debt cancellation and direct
investment by the West.
"We want the G8 to respond in a concrete way. We are not begging. Free trade
should be fair. One reason African countries find it difficult to develop is
the unequal terms of trade," Nkuhlu said.
He said while African countries had opened up their markets, they found it
difficult to compete internationally due to Western countries maintaining
high trade tariffs, particularly on staple food, textiles and footwear.
"The way the West prices products like maize and wheat, the staple food in
African countries, destroys food security in countries like Zimbabwe and
Zambia. Because the rich nations subsidise their markets, these products are
below the cost of production in Africa. We don't have money to subsidise our
markets," said Nkuhlu.
He said the African presidents would also ask the G8 leaders to meet their
commitments in terms of the UN's Millennium Declaration. The goals set out
in the declaration include reducing hunger and poverty by half, achieving
universal primary education, cutting by two-thirds the child mortality rate
and reversing the spread of diseases such as Aids and malaria.
"In order for reforms to be sustainable, there needs to be an improvement in
the material conditions in Africa and visible, increased support. The G8
needs to take the lead on behalf of the international community to meet
their commitments. They cannot make promises and not meet them," said
Nkuhlu.
Another crucial issue the African presidents would campaign for is debt
reduction, as African countries have to allocate a large percentage of their
budgets towards the servicing of debt. The world powers will also be asked
to reign in members of their private sectors who continue to invest and do
business with undemocratic and warring African governments.
"The international community needs to partner the African leaders to put an
end to conflict and illegitimate governments on the continent," Nkuhlu said.
The leaders were under no illusion that getting buy-in from the G8 for Nepad
would be easy.
"But presidents Obasanjo and Mbeki said they would take the lead and they
are very determined," said Nkuhlu.
Presidential spokesman Bheki Khumalo said Mbeki was "very optimistic that
they will get agreement from the G8 on fundable and implementable projects".
"It is not as if they're looking for 64-billion in direct aid from the G8.
Much of the funding would come from Africa itself through private-sector
partnerships. We're looking for specific implementable projects to
kick-start the African recovery plan," said Khumalo.
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Economic watcher
>African countries, destroys food security in countries like Zimbabwe and
>Zambia." says Mbeki's economic adviser, Professor Wiseman Nkuhlu.
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>Location: Sunday 23 Jun 2002 > Africa news
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>African leaders seek G8 action
>Leaders look to rich to help kick-start Nepad
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And how many Mercedes cars airlifted to southern Africa does this
translate to?
Sandy Cruden
"walther" <walt...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
news:3d15f9cc$0$18...@hades.is.co.za...
"Good governance" ........ Mugabe style I assume........... they must be
joking.
What happens after NEPAD turns into another bottomless pit for G8 countries?
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Economic watcher
>From: "Sandy Cruden" <scr...@hotmail.com>
>"Good governance" ........ Mugabe style I assume........... they must be
>joking.
>
>What happens after NEPAD turns into another bottomless pit for G8 countries?
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After NEPAD will come, knee join replacement (aka The Son Of NEPAD, to
be followed by NEPAD II, and followed by The Return of NEPAD).
NEPAD and all the other excersizes in using white guilt to extract
money from very guilt racist white nations to fund failed black Africa nations
will continue on with very little regard for facts that most of the
money provided by the very guilty racist white nations were used
to buy Mercedes automobiles and such things.
The almost fully fact free environment of aid to sub-Saharan Africa.
I write, "almost" because bit by bit the very guilt racist whites are coming
to realize that their truths are in direct conflict with facts, but only bit
by bit.
walther
Mbeki is now using the NY Times to market the scam.
He wants the money with no accountability, and bases his begging (denied by
him of course) on vague promises. He has no substantial references for any
successes in Africa. Botswana, Ghana and Senegal may be exceptions - but
that was none of his doing. Wars and conflicts continue unabated. His 60-day
endeavour to solve the DRC issue turned out to be no more than a holiday for
the entourage of delegates at the Sun City resort. Obasanjo recently
criticized Swiss banks for stashing billions of dollars looted by previous
African leaders. Note that no African state, apart from Nigeria, has
apparently tried to recover the hoards that actually belong to the
nations/donors that they were stolen from. Mbeki has the thick-brained
mentality to ask even for debt forgiveness! Elsewhere Mbeki has said that
NEPAD will restore Africa's dignity! South Africa and Nigeria between them
hold de facto titles as being foremost countries endowed with huge rates of
crime, rape, extortion, corruption and murder. Obasanjo faces a potential of
being impeached at home. So who is Mbeki going to tell the world / G8 is the
emerged role model country of Africa? Notice the absence of the word
"democracy" in the Nepad framework. What is the creditability of the present
15 members of Nepad - who are they?
He says "The fact that most African states have held multiparty elections in
the past decade is relevant". Where is the list of these countries? What is
their current individual status in relation to the high-sounding principles
that he/they profess to subscribe to? His so-called quiet diplomacy has
failed in Zimbabwe. The fact is that he is giving blatant moral and material
support to Mugabe. If it were not for this, Mugabe would be long gone. Why
is it that civilised countries saw the recent Presidential elections were
seriously flawed, yet Africa, and in particular South Africa, said they were
valid and recognised the Mugabe regime? What the G8 should ask him to do is
define and identify the differences between First World standards, and those
that Africans talk about but interpret and apply differently.
What does "peer review" and "good governance" mean?
Notice in the previous posting that Mbeki's economic adviser and head of the
Nepad secretariat, Professor Wiseman Nkuhlu, said:
"The way the West prices products like maize and wheat, the staple food in
African countries, destroys food security in countries like Zimbabwe and
Zambia. Because the rich nations subsidize their markets, these products are
below the cost of production in Africa. We don't have money to subsidize our
markets,"
This clown has as much as an unfortunate first name as Zimbabwe's Minister
of Education, Sports and Culture, ANENEAS Chigwedere.
Clearly, according to "Wiseman", the land grab has nothing to do with the
demise of Agricultural output in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe has virtually always had
a closed local/regional market where government has set commodity prices for
it's local convenience. Zimbabwean farmers therefore subsidized the state
with the fixed pricing. This country has virtually never produced wheat
surpluses to offer in the international market place where it would have to
compete with other countries that directly subsidize agriculture.
NEPAD is perceived to be just another round of loot diversion for the
benefit of the African elitists. The likes of Britain, Canada and the Nordic
countries apparently cannot wait to open the purse strings of their
taxpayers to shovel more money into the bottomless pit called Africa.
The next week will show how many of the naďve G-8 members will succumb to
the con.
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New York Times
June 24, 2002
Africa's New Realism
By THABO MBEKI
CAPE TOWN -- A great moment is at hand: a chance for developed countries to
make a sound investment while helping to break the cycle of African
underdevelopment. This prospect now seems as obvious as it was previously
elusive.
The Group of 8 conference of industrialized nations that begins this week in
Canada comes as we plan for the World Summit on Sustainable Development in
South Africa in September. It follows significant commitments made by the
Bush administration and the European Union at a United Nations conference
earlier this year in Mexico to increase development aid. The common thread
here is the renewed determination among political leaders and civil society
to build a humane world of shared prosperity.
The idea gains its momentum not from the desire to provide charity. Nor is
it premised merely on fears in highly developed nations of new immigrants or
of poor regions becoming so volatile as to pull the rest of the world into
instability. The momentum for sustained development, in partnership with the
private sector, is based on a recognition that it is possible to revive poor
nations, particularly in Africa, through investments for mutual benefit.
There is an unprecedented resolve on the continent to turn away from the
begging bowl and engage in new efforts to build a better life.
The fact that most African states have held multiparty elections in the past
decade is relevant. So is the imminent formation of the African Union, out
of the Organization of African Unity, which will occur at a summit in South
Africa early next month. Such developments have helped reveal a
socioeconomic potential previously obscured, and they have given strength to
a new realism.
In this great effort, we Africans seek, and need, partners. On offer to the
investors from the highly developed economies are sound prospects in
countries whose infrastructures - limited telecommunications systems, poor
roads, rail and port facilities, sometimes dilapidated cities - hold the
promise of exponential improvement. Where others are approaching saturation,
Africa offers rapid growth.
Such cooperation will reward the many African nations prepared to improve
political and economic governance. But there could be broader spinoffs. This
partnership of equals may lead to new introspection among the citizens of
developed countries about themselves; it may rekindle that humanism that
should lie at the foundation of global relations.
Such might be the outcome, if the developed nations work with Africans in
redefining assistance, fashioning a fairer trade regime and treating Africa
as an investment destination. Group of 8 leaders and other statesmen will
gather in a remote spot in the Canadian Rockies to hear more about the New
Partnership for Africa's Development. African leaders will arrive with
concrete proposals on how to get this partnership off the ground.
A central feature of the new partnership is ensuring democracy, human rights
and good governance. It sets out independent mechanisms for peer review,
with provisions aimed at foreseeing problems and working to prevent their
spread - rather than just censuring and punishing when things go wrong. If
programs in manufacturing, agriculture, education and health are to succeed,
Africans in their millions must take an active part.
Most important, it is Africans who have done and will continue to do the
planning. As George C. Marshall noted in proposing his famous plan to
rebuild Europe half a century ago: "It would be neither fitting nor
efficacious for this government to undertake to draw up unilaterally a
program designed to place Europe on its feet economically. This is the
business of the Europeans." And so it will be for Africans now.
Thabo Mbeki is the president of South Africa.
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Economic watcher
>The next week will show how many of the naďve G-8 members will succumb to
>the con
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The world has changed a little bit since the last G-8 meeting. Now France has
seen the far right win almost 20% in the presidential election (for the two far
right candidates) and the near right has the majority in the French parliament.
The USA has a conservative president who has popularity poll numbers over 70%.
Italy continues to have a conservative prime minister. Japan continues in an
economic depression and the Japanese have no guilt for anyone, in particular
not for black Africans.
The Govt. of the UK has had to take some conservative actions such as greatly
increasing efforts to keep illegal aliens out.
That all said, Canada continues to be well to the left and very guilty about
its massive crimes against humanity over the past 5,000 years in Africa, the
massive Canadian slave trade, and all of those Canadian colonies in Africa
exploited of everything that they had and left very poor. Actually, the
Canadian prime minister is having serious problems in his Liberal party and
just last week removed several cabinet members. I suspect that his "guilt" is
more to cover over his failings within the Liberal party than to help black
Africans.
Concerning Canadian white guilt, the Canadian general who was in charge of the
UN force that did nothing to stop the 1,000,000 being killed in Rwanda has
developed serious mental health and drinking problems from his white guilt.
How many Zimbabwean generals have guilt for their real crimes in the Congo or
against their own people in Zimbabwe, I suspect now has any guilt.
Alice
In Africa, no leaders ever have any guilt what they did to their own people or country. Nada, nothing, niets, rien, não, kein.
They are there only for the money and that is why they and the so called NGO's bleeding heart good-doers are sleeping in the same bed.
The Aid-workers are there for the money, paid in Euros, US dollars, Scandinavian Crone or Swiss Francs. All paid in their bank accounts in their own countries. Their commitment will dry up the moment they would be paid in Zim dollars or Zambia Kwacha or in Botswana Pulas.
What really pisses me off is that the pensioners in the West believe this bullshit and they will pay from their little pension a donation. Tell them to enjoy their money instead of giving it to some organisation who will enjoy it in 5 star hotels.
"Economic watcher" <rice...@cs.comSpamNo> wrote in message news:20020624145951...@mb-ct.news.cs.com...
> >Subject: Re: NEPAD - AFRICA'S LATEST / BIGGEST SCAM
> >From: "walther" <walt...@freemail.absa.co.za>
>
> >The next week will show how many of the naïve G-8 members will succumb to
Economic watcher
>> below the cost of production in Africa. We don't have money to subsidise
>our
>> markets," said Nkuhlu.
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>"the West" would solve the problem entirely.
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Why do this and miss out on a chance to whine about the evil white
racists of the USA, Europe, Canada, and the UK and to demand more
loans that never will be repaid.
Economic watcher
> Let's not
>blame D'alliare, he did what he could. Let's blame Kofi.
The 500 Belgians could have put an end to the killings, IF they had been
permitted to do so.
I was in Brussels when their 500 troops came home and the front page story in
the leading newspaper in Belgium (Le Soir) had a picture of the troops cutting
up their blue UN berets in GREAT disgust that they were forbidden to stop the
killings.
The blame is really on the evil war criminal Kofi Anam.
The 500 white Belgian troops could have stopped the killings IF they had been
permitted to use force to stop the killings, rather than just talk.
Ron McGregor
the principle of which has my wholehearted support.
The problem is that, while the principles are sound, they are completely at
variance with what actually happens in Africa, and there are no grounds for
believing that any African country is about to implement the changes
necessary to fall in line with the NEPAD ideals.
The faith placed in NEPAD by African leaders, such as Mbeki and Obasanjo, is
the faith of dreamers, who believe that the recitation of dreams can somehow
make them come true. And the faith placed in NEPAD by political leaders
outside Africa simply proves that those leaders don't actually know anything
about Africa.
I have for some years been making the observation that Africa never actually
does anything except have meetings, which produce plan after plan, and
buzzword after buzzword. In South Africa we have had the RDP, followed by
GEAR, and then MAP, which became NEPAD after Mbeki sold the concept to the
continent as a whole.
NEPAD is not a scam, or a revolutionary idea. It is just a recipe for good
governance and responsible economic policy, both of which have been around
in more sophisticated countries since pa fell off the bus. One would
probably find that some rulers amongst the ancient Chinese, the Egyptians,
the Greeks and the Romans ran efficient and honest governments together with
sound economic policies, and their peoples benefited accordingly.
Any nation can apply these, though the very first requirement is that the
people accept, or elect, a government with the wisdom, the honesty, the
ability, and the application, to adopt the necessary values, implement them,
and stick with them.
There lies the rub. Few governments in Africa have this necessary
combination of wisdom, honesty, ability and application to be able to apply
the principles required (and it makes no difference whether you give them a
fancy name, like NEPAD, or simply describe them for what they are - the
principles of good government.)
Certainly Pres Mbeki and his party are not capable of implementing these
principles. At the very outset, they would have to fire all the bad apples
who are incompetent, dishonest, or both. They can't do this, because their
loyalty to their comrades takes precedence over the principles of NEPAD.
They would also have to amend a whole lot of legislation (and probably the
Constitution as well). And they can't do this because they are more
committed to their cherished legislation than they are to the principles of
NEPAD.
Pres Mbeki, and others, doubtless hope that the money will begin to flow
during the implementation phase, rather than after implementation has been
completed. However, there is nothing wrong with such hopes. In fact, I
wouldn't have a problem with money starting to come in at the same time as
principles of good governance start to be implemented.
The danger, of course, is that naive people, e.g. the Canadians, may believe
that the intention is as good as the act. So money might flow BEFORE any
implentation of good governance, and actual implementation will probably
never take place.
Personally, I do not see NEPAD amounting to anything more than just another
dream, so I really can't be bothered with it. We shall continue to muddle
along, and in a couple of years the NEPAD ideal will be dead, and some other
dreamer will come up with his own new name for the same old package.
Serial # 19781010
(Hobo) wrote:
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>> Concerning Canadian white guilt, the Canadian general who was in charge of the
>> UN force that did nothing to stop the 1,000,000 being killed in Rwanda has
>> developed serious mental health and drinking problems from his white guilt.
>>
>
>The heart of the military force given to Romeo D'alliare(sp?) were the 500
>elite para-commandos from Belgium. Their home country pulled them out
>after the first casualty. D'alliare asked for replacements and never
>recieved them. He was left with some Ghanians and Senegalese who did some
>fighting and 1,000 Bangladeshi's who spent all their time trading
>equipment for sex and hiding in the soccer stadium. D'alliare told Kofi
>Annan, head of UN peacekeeping that he needed 5,000 more men to stop the
>genocide. Kofi had 72,000 soldiers on peacekeeping duties around the world
>at that time, but insisted that he could not spare any of them. Let's not
>blame D'alliare, he did what he could. Let's blame Kofi.
Give me a break.
Belgian para commandoes? They are about as effective as the Dutch in
Kosovo. I'd put my money on a bunch of bush natives with nothing but
spears and blow guns before the Belgian "military".
Reality check: There are only a few fighting forces in the world that
can be completely devastating. I'll make a list and you can add as you
see fit.
USA: Most powerful military force in the world. Capable of destroying
any nation in any kind of conventional or unconventional war.
Weakness: politically the american people will not tolerate high
casualty rates unless they can see that it is in direct american
interest. Hands are often tied by politics and "morally correct"
forces at home.
Britain: Very effective military. Man for man possibly the best in the
world.
Weakness: Politicians can be hesitant to use them and have a limited
budget.
Russia: Can be overwhelming when let loose and unrestrained.
Weakness: Lack of money and poor moral from conscripted troops.
Afghanistan: Beat the Russians through dedication and commitment.
Weakness: Excellent internal force but does not have the
infrastructure for wars outside their own country.
Vietnam: Beat the Americans through attrition and political means.
Weakness: same as Afghanistan.
S. Korea: Deadly professional force capable of anything.
Weakness: Limited in size by Korea's economy.
Germany: Outstanding professional military capable of doing any job if
directed.
Weakness: Still saddled with history and guilt from WW2.
France: French foreign legion can be very effective against most
forces.
Weakness: The French politicians who have no backbone and are un
decisive. The French people who do not respect nor support their
military.
If you would care to add to this list, please do so. Remember though,
just because it's a western military force does not mean it is an
effective military force.
Any African army? All they are good for is killing, robbing and
torturing innocent unarmed civilians. Could be defeated by any New
York street gang.
Economic watcher
>If you would care to add to this list, please do so. Remember though,
>just because it's a western military force does not mean it is an
>effective military force.
>
> Any African army? All they are good for is killing, robbing and
>torturing innocent unarmed civilians. Could be defeated by any New
>York street gang.
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It takes five elements for an army to be effective:
1. discipline
2. equipment, and funds to replace it and buy ammunition and fuel
3. willingness to accept that many of your soldiers will be killed
4. willingness to kill enemy soldiers
5. a political belief that defeat or inaction are not
acceptable options
Most First World armies lack the willingness to accept their own soldiers
being killed and their nations lack a willingness to kill the enemy soldiers.
During WWII most families had four to eight children and it was
assumed that one or two would die before marrying.
Now most families in First World countries have 1 or 2 children
and they do NOT want their one child (or 1 of 2) killed by anything,
not in a motor accident, not at work, not from disease, and NOT in warfare.
For First World countries will not accept soldiers being killed, not even
in training accidents. And they want their soldiers home on weekends.
At this time the Americans and British are willing to accept the deaths
of a few soldiers, as long as they are volunteers, not conscripts.
Families of Third World countries typically assume that some of their
children will die and there is not the political fuss to "wage war without
anyone dying" of the type that Bill Clinton tried to do.
As far as other capable armies, my additions:
Indian Army - all professional and all long service
Pakistani Army
People's Liberation Army (of the PRC)
Israeli Army
Australian Army
All of the armies of the NATO countries would be capable IF they had
the political situation that caused their people to accept that their soldiers
had to die and had to kill. The same for New Zealand, Singapore, Japan,
Swizerland, Austria, Finland, and likely most of the eastern European
countries.
The black African troops of Kenya, Nigeria, and Ghana (the Gold Coast)
fought well in WWII under some white officers and Kenyan troops fought
well in Malaya during the emergency (early 1950s). German East African
troops fought VERY well under German officers during all of WWI in
German East Africa and were the last German troops to stop fighting
after the end of WWI.
As I remember there were four divisions of British African troops
(2 from E. Africa & 2 from W. Africa) who fought in the Burma campaign,
and with them were some Belgian Congo African troops.
And entirely unrelated to Zimbabwe; some of the white officers
of the Nigerian colonial army of WWII were Polish officers,
who were surplus officers (more officers than needed for the
number of enlisted men) of the Free Polish Army and were assigned
to command Nigerian troops in Nigeria. The Free Polish Army
had a corps in Italy and before that a division+ in N. Africa.
Economic watcher
>that the intention is as good as the act. So money might flow BEFORE any
>implentation of good governance, and actual implementation will probably
>never take place.
>
>Personally, I do not see NEPAD amounting to anything more than just another
>dream, so I really can't be bothered with it. We shall continue to muddle
>along, and in a couple of years the NEPAD ideal will be dead, and some other
>dreamer will come up with his own new name for the same old package.
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The problem is if NEPAD becomes the next scheme to be used by leaders
of white First World countries to transfer funds to in keep in operation evil
black African leaders.
NEPAD is a scam if that is how it is used, and if the result of NEPAD is
to transfer funds from the white First World nations to evil black African
leaders who may have promised to do something, but have not and will not,
then this is just a slightly more advanced scam that they guy on your street
in Cape Town who sells you bottles of Coca Cola that were in reality refilled
with brown water.
My guess is that it is a scam and will be proven to be a scam.
It will be a scam if it is used as a scam, regardless of the dressing.
A.L. Myles
> *********** Comment
>
> The problem is if NEPAD becomes the next scheme to be used by leaders
> of white First World countries to transfer funds to in keep in operation evil
> black African leaders.
Bingo!
"Well!" says the indignant middle-class Western citizen,
"Whyever would our esteemed, responsible leaders do such a
thing with our money??"
HaHaHa! I wonder if the employees of Enron were asking one
another a similar question when they heard of the pending
bankruptcy proceedings juxtaposed with the compensation
packages of their top-tier executive management.....