why we should oppose guns
harmony
"thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Peter Franks
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
Where?
> and god said,
> "thou shall not kill".
Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
> further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Therefore, we have laws for the punishment of murder.
Just as it should be.
Tony Levin
Gods doen't exist.
Guns do.
"Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
Criminals do.
(Prove me wrong!)
I can't shoot "gods", as, well, they don't exist.
But I can shoot criminals... even those retards that say they "found
Gawd' in prison and were released to commit more crimes.
More guns in the hands of intelligent people, more dead or wounded
Criminals and idiots like you, that believe in silly shit that are the
cause of all the worlds problems.
Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the time
by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records kept) for
great and wonderful things.
I can't help that "God" is printed on my money, mentioned in our
Constitution, etc.
ALL "RELIGIONS" have a "golden rule"/AKA "Don't murder" clause in them.
So what?
I have no reason to commit crimes at all, and I STILL don't believe in
that spooky shit you clowns do.
(and boy! You Hindu's have a shit load of them to worship, don't you?
Notice THIS freak http://tinyurl.com/6louon!
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA! He looks like a HINDU GOD?)
Butt, break into my home, and I'll punctuate that DOT on your fake Hindu
forehead with my cal Win.mag 45, and drag yer stump stupid body out
before you bleed out on my wonderful hard wood floors.
JoeSpareBedroom
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> "in god we trust" is
...a quaint but harmless opinion stated by a few guys with influence.
> "we get our rights from god".
No, we don't.
> further, usa is committed to god.
No, we are not.
> surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Nothing trumps the law, although the Dep't of Homeland Security feels
otherwise.
Frank Arthur
"Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
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> harmony (AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
>
>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and
>> god said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from
>> god". further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd
>> amendment.
>
> Gods doen't exist.
> Guns do.
>
> "Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
> Criminals do.
> (Prove me wrong!)
>
>
> I can't shoot "gods", as, well, they don't exist.
> But I can shoot criminals... even those retards that say they
> "found Gawd' in prison and were released to commit more crimes.
>
>
> More guns in the hands of intelligent people, more dead or wounded
> Criminals and idiots like you, that believe in silly shit that are
> the cause of all the worlds problems.
>
> Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the
> time by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records
> kept) for great and wonderful things.
12,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA- "great and wonderful'?
JoeSpareBedroom
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Does that 12,000 include criminals killing each other, or situations where
criminals explicitly asked to shot by their intended victims?
Frank Arthur
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why would you care since you consider 63 dead children killed by
playing with their parents unlocked handgun is insignificant?
FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned
in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all
firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more
likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more
likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11
times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be
used in self-defense.
-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee
RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of
Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health.
>
>
Tony Levin
> harmony(AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
Being as "god" simply doesn't/can't exist, both of you are wrong.
"Bibles" were first written and carved on cave walls (and later
scribbled down by men who invented paper) by prehistoric horny men who
ate and smoked plants that caused hallucinatory effects and barked at
the moon, without understanding why they "saw visions."
The fear of "death" and what happens afterwords, was just that.
Fear, HOPE! and in most cases... REVENGE!
(so as to strike FEAR in those that were stupid enough to believe in a
dying MAN'S last words!) Drugs are so kewl! :)
JoeSpareBedroom
You never saw me claim those deaths were insignificant. If you disagree, and
you THINK you saw me make that claim, you know the drill: Find the text,
typed by me, which illustrates your belief. Copy it into your next response.
The only other valid response you can make is "Wait - sorry - I
misinterpreted what you said."
So, two possible responses. Pick one.
harmony
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> harmony wrote:
>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
>
> Where?
>
>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>
> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>
if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word. stop being god's
god, ok? as a furhter confirmation that god meant "not kill", god wants you
to turn other cheek (not pull out a gun, check-check) when some one wants to
harm you. time to remove secular supergods from usa.
JoeSpareBedroom
>
> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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>> harmony wrote:
>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
>>
>> Where?
>>
>>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>>
>> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>>
>
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word. stop being god's
> god, ok? as a furhter confirmation that god meant "not kill", god wants
> you to turn other cheek (not pull out a gun, check-check) when some one
> wants to harm you. time to remove secular supergods from usa.
The commandments were written by humans.
Tony Levin
Perfect!
Great AND splendid!
99% of those killed(real data!) were losers that were dealing drugs and
involved in illegal activities.
I LOVE when you losers get killed!
I do the Snoopy happy dance each and every time I hear about your kind
getting snuffed!
I'm happy as a clam that I still have the right to shoot YOU ASSHOLES dead!
(I shoot to stop, by aiming at the head!... and I never miss!)
Wanna make it 12001?
Want my address.. again?
What's that?
YOU don't want to commit a crime knowing that you might get harmed and
buried in plastic bag and dumped in the ocean?
Hmmm...
Explain why?
Benj
> Why would you care since you consider 63 dead children killed by
> playing with their parents unlocked handgun is insignificant?
Apparently you don't consider a few million Jew killed by their
government significant. I'd take a few accidents over millions in the
camps any day. Any sane person would. But that lets you out.
> FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned
> in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all
> firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more
> likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more
> likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11
> times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be
> used in self-defense.
>
> -A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee
> RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of
> Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health.
Anybody can quote Kellerman lies. These figures have been discredited
for so long they don't even deserve a reply. They are like saying
that you are X times more likely to die if you are in hospital! Duh!
How stupid do you think the public is? Nevermind, you don't have to
answer that one.
Sam Buckland
> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
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>> harmony wrote:
>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
>> Where?
>>
>>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>>
>
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word.
He did. We can't help it that YOU use a lousy translation.
Scout
> news:rnaLj.57620$097....@newsfe21.lga...
>> harmony wrote:
>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
>>
>> Where?
>>
>>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>>
>> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>>
>
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word.
He did. It's just that the translaters into Latin and then later into
English didn't do such a good job orginially. You will note that most modern
bibles that now rely on a more precise translation use the term "murder"
directly from the orginal Hebrew rather than the latin translation.
It can be noted that in Hebrew the verb that applies to killing in general
is "harag". The Torah, which is the orginal hebrew text, used the term "
ratsah" which refers only to criminal acts of killing or as we would put it
"murder".
> stop being god's god, ok?
hey going back to the orginal source and finding out that the translation
has been screwed up isn't playing god, it is rather seeking to obey the
actual word of God rather than a mistranslation of his word by man.
> as a furhter confirmation that god meant "not kill", god wants you to turn
> other cheek (not pull out a gun, check-check) when some one wants to harm
> you. time to remove secular supergods from usa.
Sorry, but no. The text you refer to speechs of revenge or retribution for
harm done to you, NOT to stand there am accept assualt upon yourself without
action. refer to the wikipedia entry on "turn the other cheek" for more
details about the nature of and historical context of this remark.
Tony Levin
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word. stop being god's
> god, ok?
Did you hear "god" speak?
JoeSpareBedroom
He saw the Virgin Mary in the foam on top of his Guiness pint.
RD (The Sandman)
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> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Many believe that the right to keep and bear arms comes from God, you
twit. You must really be a beautiful woman sexually because, obviously,
when God said 'brains', you thought he said 'trains' and headed for track
four.
--
RD (The Sandman)
War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse
RD (The Sandman)
@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
>> Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the
>> time by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records
>> kept) for great and wonderful things.
>
> 12,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA- "great and wonderful'?
>
>
2 out of 3 of them are involved in drug or gang activity or both. They
aren't Joe Sixpack from next door or his kid.
RD (The Sandman)
@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
Over what period of time? A day? A week? A month? A year? A dozen
years?
> FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned
> in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all
> firearm-related deaths each year.
Yep, criminals like to carry them to shoot other criminals.
A gun in the home is 4 times more
> likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more
> likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11
> times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be
> used in self-defense.
>
> -A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee
> RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of
> Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health.
Oh, the guy who ran away from his first 'scientific' study so fast he
left skid marks and claimed that if his wife was threatened he would like
her to have in her possession a .38 revolver. That Kellerman?
Raymond
G-d was/is two faced like most of our politicians.
He said, "Thou shalt not kill." However, he must have been talking to
Gentiles.
Here are a few of the other things he said... but to Jews:
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown
"no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the
sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock
and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for
yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly
destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to
take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations the husband has "no delight" in his wife,
he can simply let her go.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to
slay thirty men
L'Shalom
JoeSpareBedroom
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>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
>> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>
> Many believe that the right to keep and bear arms comes from God, you
> twit.
Hopefully, you don't believe that.
Buck Mulligan
>"in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
>"thou shall not kill".
No He didn't. He said "Do not murder." Big difference.
robw
It was "God's Word"????
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Thats the fault of the parents that acted iresponcibley. I would never
let anyone take my firearms from me no matter what,if they want to try
I won't be responcible for what happens to them
Gray Ghost
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> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>
>
You must really be good looking becuase I have a black lab who is smarter
than you are, and he is as dumb as a brick.
It's not thou shalt not kill, it though shalt not murder!!
Luke 22:36
"...But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack;
and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one"
Exodus 22:2-3
"If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there
shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. If the sun has risen on him, there shall
be guilt for his bloodshed. He should make full restitution; if he has
nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft."
Proverbs 25:26
"A righteous man who falters before the wicked is like a murky spring and a
polluted well."
Timothy 5:8
"But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his
household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
Nehemiah 4:17-18
Those who built on the wall, and those who carried burdens loaded themselves
so that with one hand they worked at construction, and with the other held a
weapon. Every one of the builders had his sword girded at his side as he
built.
Just in case you are in on the facts of the matter mirepresenting the Word
and causing God's children to go along the wrong path make's one a False
Prophet and we all know what happens to false prophets:
Ezekiel 25:17
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of
charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for
he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will
strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would
attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the
Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
(Sound of gun fire, fade to black...)
Frank
Gray Ghost
> harmony (AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
>
>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
>> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>
> Gods doen't exist.
> Guns do.
>
> "Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
> Criminals do.
> (Prove me wrong!)
It's not about proof, it's about faith. If I could "prove" it it would be
easier to blieve in wouldn't it? The clues are there, one must be open
minded.
PS You are entitled to your opinion, I'm just saying that proof is not part
of it.
Frank
Gray Ghost
@bignews7.bellsouth.net:
Kellerman has been discredited for years, he blongs with Bellesiles.
Gun Control Science Misfires
Thursday , October 31, 2002
By Steven Milloy
Gun control advocates used to claim that more guns meant more crime. Research
demonstrated, though, that more guns meant less crime. As the criminology
argument faded, gun control advocates began arguing guns were a public health
problem.
But the public health argument is also bankrupt, according to Miguel A. Faria
Jr., M.D., editor of the Medical Sentinel, the journal of the Association of
American Physicians and Surgeons. Dr. Faria lays out his reasoning in the
Spring 2001 issue.
The U.S. public health establishment declared in 1979 that handguns should be
eradicated, beginning with a 25 percent reduction by the year 2000. Since
that time, hundreds of "scientific" articles have been published in medical
journals supporting the notion that guns are a public health problem.
Faria's article spotlights many of the flaws of this research, including that
of Dr. Arthur Kellerman of the Emory University School of Public Health.
Since the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellerman used funding from the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention to publish research purporting to show that persons
who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than
those who don't.
Dr. Kellerman claimed in a 1986 New England Journal of Medicine study that
having a firearm in the home is counter-productive. He reported "a gun owner
is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."
Dr. Faria points out that Dr. Kellerman's analysis ignored the vast majority
of benefits from defensive uses of guns. Since only 0.1 percent to 0.2
percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, Dr.
Kellerman's study underestimated the protective benefits of firearms -- in
terms of lives saved, injuries prevented and related medical costs -- by a
factor of as much as 1,000.
In a 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study, Dr. Kellerman again reported
guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than the assailants. In
addition to repeating the errors of his prior research, Dr. Kellerman used
studies of populations with disproportionately high rates of serious
psychosocial dysfunction such as a history of arrest, drug abuse and domestic
violence. Moreover, 71 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who
didn't live in the victims' household, using guns presumably not kept in the
home.
Dr. Kellerman's conclusions depend on an apparent higher rate of homicides
among households with guns compared to households without guns (45 percent
vs. 36 percent). But Dr. Kellerman ignored his own data indicating there were
enough false denials of gun ownership to reverse this result.
Controversy has also swirled around Dr. Kellerman's claim that gun
availability increases the risk of suicide. Dr. Faria says "the overwhelming
available evidence compiled from the psychiatric literature is that untreated
or poorly managed depression is the real culprit behind high rates of
suicide."
Backing this up is the observation that countries with strict gun control
laws and low rates of firearm availability -- such as Japan, Germany and the
Scandinavian countries -- have suicide rates that are 2 time to 3 times
higher than for the U.S. In these countries, people simply substitute for
guns other suicide methods such as Hara-Kiri, carbon monoxide suffocation,
hanging, or chemical poisoning.
Dr. Faria also cites the work of Florida State University professor Gary
Kleck and Yale University professor John R. Lott Jr. as serious challenges to
gun control advocates' claim that guns are a public health problem.
In his books Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America and Targeting Guns,
Kleck reports that firearms are used defensively 2.5 millions times per year,
dwarfing offensive uses by criminals. Kleck says that 25 to 75 lives are
saved by guns for every life lost by a gun. The medical costs saved by the
defensive use of guns are 15 times greater than the costs caused by criminal
use of firearms, according to Kleck.
Lott reports in his book, More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun
Control Laws that neither state waiting periods nor the Brady Law are
associated with a reduction in crime rates. However, laws that permit the
carrying of concealed weapons are associated with a 69 percent decrease in
death rate from public, multiple shootings such as those that occurred in
Jonesboro, Arkansas and Columbine High School.
Some concerned with gun violence in society have, in desperation, signed on
to the gun control agenda. They are willing to trade basic American rights
guaranteed by the Second Amendment for less violence. But it's not a fair
trade.
The myth-busting work of Dr. Faria and others exposes gun control not only as
being unlikely to reduce violence but also as having adverse safety and
economic consequences. Junk science-fueled gun control misfires as a public
health strategy.
This is interesting:
http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Suter/med-lit.html
Frank
Mr. Albritton
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Too bad God isn't in the hearts and minds of the "gangstas" that have ruined
our large cities. You wanna see the truly Godless? Go to an inner city.
(Chicago's projects, East ST Louis, LA, New York... you get the point.)
Theft, rape, and murder are an every day part of life.
I will not be a victim of said Godlessness. Someone wanting to kill me for
a couple of bucks should never be allowed, regardless of philosophical
opinion.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> "Peter Franks" <n...@none.com> wrote ...
> > harmony wrote:
> >> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>
> > Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word. stop being god's
> god, ok?
Whoever gave the commandment didn't use either kill or murder; he used
a Hebrew verb that's different from the generic Hebrew verb for kill.
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/jv-isthesixth.html
the verb used in the Torah commandment is "ratsah," which generally is
translated as murder and refers only to criminal acts of killing. The
word "kill" generally refers to the taking of life for all classes of
victims and for all reasons. This
generalization is expressed through a different Hebrew verb "harag."
> as a furhter confirmation that god meant "not kill", god wants you
> to turn other cheek (not pull out a gun, check-check) when some one wants to
> harm you. time to remove secular supergods from usa.
"You shall not murder" and "Turn the other cheek" were authored by
different people living in different eras. So, the latter author's
statement can't confirm what the former author meant.
Magus
<snip>
> -A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee
> RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of
> Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health.
>>
KELLERMAN?
Um, you haven't researched those claims Kellerman made have you...
Magus
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
>
>
WTF do you include alt.fan.jai-maharaj and soc.culture.indian in your
cross posts?
Mr. Albritton
The correct phrasing would be "by people" not "with guns."
Guns are inanimate objects that don't do jack shit unless a PERSON does
something with said gun. (You know..... like pulling the trigger.)
slate_leeper
wrote:
>12,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA- "great and wonderful'?
>
You forgot to mention the lives SAVED with firearms. The best estimate
is that firearms are used 2.5 MILLION times a year in the U.S. to
defend lives and property. Benefits and problems must be balanced, and
any fair comparison shows that the benefits of private firearms
ownership does outweigh the negatives.
-dan z-
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> >>> harmony (AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
>
> >>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and
> >>>> god said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from
> >>>> god". further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd
> >>>> amendment.
>
> >>> Guns do.
>
> >>> "Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
> >>> Criminals do.
> >>> (Prove me wrong!)
>
> >>> I can't shoot "gods", as, well, they don't exist.
> >>> But I can shoot criminals... even those retards that say they
> >>> "found Gawd' in prison and were released to commit more crimes.
>
> >>> More guns in the hands of intelligent people, more dead or
> >>> wounded Criminals and idiots like you, that believe in silly shit
> >>> that are the cause of all the worlds problems.
>
> >>> Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the
> >>> time by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records
> >>> kept) for great and wonderful things.
>
> >> wonderful'?
>
> > where criminals explicitly asked to shot by their intended victims?
>
> Why would you care since you consider 63 dead children killed by
> playing with their parents unlocked handgun is insignificant?
>
Where did Mr. SpareBedroom indicate that dead kids are insignificant?
You didn't answer his question, by the way.
> FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned
> in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all
> firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more
> likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more
> likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11
> times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be
> used in self-defense.
>
The information you label as FACT above is in dispute; Mr. Kellerman's
study apparently had some flaws (I am not particularly familiar with
this study, but others around here are).
Way back in the Old Days, when I was young, schools (public schools)
taught things like "Driver's Training", "Driver's Safety", "Driver's
Education", ... well, you get the idea.
Wouldn't teaching things like "Firearms Safety", "Firearms Education",
"Firearms Training", and so on be a good way to reduce these accidents
about which you are so concerned?
> -A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee
> RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of
> Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health.
>
>
>
Frank Arthur
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So much for "law abiding gun owners"!
Frank Arthur
"Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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splatter over the room. Oops dad for got to lock up the handgun!
Frank Arthur
"Buck Mulligan" <bkmul...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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And that's why cops shoot bank robbers.
Are the cops murderers?
JoeSpareBedroom
I know that just over half the country disagrees with this, but your
credibility would be greatly increased if you would pay attention to your
use (or destruction) of our native language.
Mr. Albritton
>> something with said gun. (You know..... like pulling the trigger.)
> Like the trigger of a two year old child and have the child's brains
> splatter over the room. Oops dad for got to lock up the handgun!
You take one isolated incident and make it sound like it's common.
You sound just like a criminal!!! Is that why you don't want the public to
have guns?
harmony
nonsense.
love thy enemy.
god has said in multifarious ways that killing is a no-no. 2nd amendment is
anti-god, a mere human error.
JoeSpareBedroom
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If someone's about to kill YOU, and the only way to stop that is for YOU to
kill THEM, would you do it?
Mr. Albritton
> love thy enemy.
> god has said in multifarious ways that killing is a no-no. 2nd amendment
> is anti-god, a mere human error.
That's why it was COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE to Christ for his apostles to be
armed, right?
The apostles responded, "Look, Lord, here are two swords." Jesus said to
them, "It is enough." (Luke 22:35-38, ESV)
If your statement were true, then Christ would have told his apostles to be
rid of those two swords. (Swords were the "gun of the day" - 2000 years
ago.)
Tony Levin
> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:rnaLj.57620$097....@newsfe21.lga...
>
>>harmony wrote:
>>
>>>"in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution.
>>
>>
>>
>>>and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>>
>>
>
>
> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word.
Being as "gods" don't exist, he couldn't have said anything you drunken
slut.
harmony
standard consistent with their chosen status.
the u.s. constitution has some human errors; one being "all humans are
created equal". no, they are not; the jewish people are god's chosen people.
however, usa has got it right that it is acknowledging the special status of
the jews by paying royalty of $3billion a year to israel.
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JoeSpareBedroom
If you think actual facts will help convince some people, you're destined to
be frustrated. Or, amused. :-)
Mr. Albritton
> to be frustrated. Or, amused. :-)
Amused. I still present the facts. Doing that lets me know that "freedom
of speech" doesn't solely belong to the selfish, arrogant, stupid, and
deceived.
Patriot Games
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
God said "Thou shall not MURDER."
Self-defense is NOT murder.
The 2nd Amendment stands.
You get to sit in the corner with a Dunce hat on.
Peter Franks
> On Apr 9, 3:09 pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Peter Franks" <n...@none.com> wrote ...
>>> harmony wrote:
>>>> and god said, "thou shall not kill".
>>> Nope. Correct interpretation is thou shalt not /murder/.
>> if god meant to say murder, he would have used the word. stop being god's
>> god, ok?
>
> Whoever gave the commandment didn't use either kill or murder; he used
> a Hebrew verb that's different from the generic Hebrew verb for kill.
> http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/jv-isthesixth.html
> the verb used in the Torah commandment is "ratsah," which generally is
> translated as murder and refers only to criminal acts of killing. The
> word "kill" generally refers to the taking of life for all classes of
> victims and for all reasons. This
> generalization is expressed through a different Hebrew verb "harag."
>
>> as a furhter confirmation that god meant "not kill", god wants you
>> to turn other cheek (not pull out a gun, check-check) when some one wants to
>> harm you. time to remove secular supergods from usa.
>
> "You shall not murder" and "Turn the other cheek" were authored by
> different people living in different eras. So, the latter author's
> statement can't confirm what the former author meant.
Different eras, yes; different people, no.
harmony
the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject jews
to the same rules.
pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
JoeSpareBedroom
Tony Levin
> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject
>>jews to the same rules.
>>pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
> If someone's about to kill YOU, and the only way to stop that is for YOU to
> kill THEM, would you do it?
If I were "harmony"(and I'm glad I'm not) I would prefer to be killed. :)
JoeSpareBedroom
He/she/it is already dead, for the most part.
Tony Levin
Brain dead.
THAT must be a loop hole! :)
Tony Levin
> god said... (snip)
Again, you drunken slut... "God" couldn't have said anything, as there
is no such THING as a "God".
Guns are good.
Mr. Albritton
> jews to the same rules.
> pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
1.) Don't change the subject. We're talking about the right to bear arms,
not what people answer to what religion.
2.) The apostles bearing arms is the same as the rest of the population
bearing arms. "It's anti-God to subject Jews to the same rules" does not
apply. God doesn't play favorites.
3.) You are in no position to preach about the love of Jesus. You are full
of deceit, hypocrisy, and lies.
Proof of statement #3: "Please do not kill. Jesus love you." That
statement implies that I'm a killer/murder by trade. That's quite an
implication/accusation coming from a person who's never met me. Care to
tell it to the judge?
Tony Levin
>>love thy enemy.
What a silly concept!
I suppose I should hate my friends?
> That's why it was COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE to Christ for his apostles to be
> armed, right?
Well, Christ was a strange bird, IF he existed.
Drugs during that time must have been "grand!"
harmony
>> the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject
>> jews to the same rules.
>> pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
>
> 1.) Don't change the subject. We're talking about the right to bear
> arms, not what people answer to what religion.
> 2.) The apostles bearing arms is the same as the rest of the population
> bearing arms. "It's anti-God to subject Jews to the same rules" does not
> apply. God doesn't play favorites.
the jews are god's chosen people. it is god's word. period. pls re-read your
bible and learn to know god's word.. it is anti-god of you if you think
differently. or are you just plain anti-semite?
Tony Levin
> the jews are god's chosen people.
Bullshit, JEW HATER.
And being as YOU claim to believe in "god", then why aren't YOU Jewish?
JoeSpareBedroom
"Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
He's not smart enough to be Jewish.
Felix D.
"Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
The best hope is that when Jai Maharaj (a/k/a The Sunshine Swami Jay
Stevens) dies, she'll commit suttee on his funeral pyre. The question is,
can she squeeze into that 55 gallon drum they use to burn shit?
OTOH since she / it is just another one of Jay's sock puppets /
personalities, all bets are off until treatment is available in massive
doses.
Felix D.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Maharaj's puppet is just 135 lbs of meat hanging from a dead brain.
>
>
Tony Levin
> "Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
> news:47fe55e3$0$15200$607e...@cv.net...
>
>>JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject
>>>>jews to the same rules.
>>>>pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
>>
>>>If someone's about to kill YOU, and the only way to stop that is for YOU
>>>to
>>>kill THEM, would you do it?
>>
>>
>>If I were "harmony"(and I'm glad I'm not) I would prefer to be killed. :)
>
>
> The best hope is that when Jai Maharaj (a/k/a The Sunshine Swami Jay
> Stevens) dies, she'll commit suttee on his funeral pyre. The question is,
> can she squeeze into that 55 gallon drum they use to burn shit?
Depends on how much burnt shit is already packed in the drum.
Tony Levin
With "Free Mango" overtones as a scent.
(it throws off the dogs)
r_c_...@hushmail.com
> "Buck Mulligan" <bkmulli...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:jhoqv39sncrpcks15...@4ax.com...
>
> > In talk.politics.guns "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>"in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
> >>said,
> >>"thou shall not kill".
>
>
> And that's why cops shoot bank robbers.
> Are the cops murderers?
Generally, no. Neither are the folks who defend themselves (or
others) against criminals.
Assuming that you are not talking about a flock of crows, murder is
the killing of another human being under conditions specifically
covered in law.
Justifiable homicide (homicide that is committed in self-defense) is
not murder.
Buck Mulligan
>
>"Buck Mulligan" <bkmul...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:jhoqv39sncrpcks15...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>>>said,
>>>"thou shall not kill".
>>
>> No He didn't. He said "Do not murder." Big difference.
>
>And that's why cops shoot bank robbers.
>Are the cops murderers?
>
If you don't know the difference between killing and murder, maybe you
should try alt.too-fucking-dumb-to-breathe
harmony
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JoeSpareBedroom
Wanderer
> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ftlmbo$sb6$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject
>>> jews to the same rules.
>>> pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
>> 1.) Don't change the subject. We're talking about the right to bear
>> arms, not what people answer to what religion.
>> 2.) The apostles bearing arms is the same as the rest of the population
>> bearing arms. "It's anti-God to subject Jews to the same rules" does not
>> apply. God doesn't play favorites.
>
>
> the jews are god's chosen people. it is god's word. period. pls re-read your
> bible and learn to know god's word.. it is anti-god of you if you think
> differently. or are you just plain anti-semite?
If the Jews are God's chosen people, what does God have against other
people? I can understand if God thinks you and Jay Maharaj are probably
grievous errors of creation, but what about the rest of the people that
God created? Jews are a tiny, tiny percentage of people on this earth.
Furthermore, if they were indeed God's chosen people, God would have led
them somewhere other than a barren sliver of desert where they have to
constantly fight the incumbents.
The problem with opportunistic idiots like you is that you don't
understand that the Israelis have only an arrangement of convenience
with Hindu groups. They truly don't give a sh*t about you except for how
you may be of use to them. They are much smarter than you saffron sh*theads.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
A dictionary can trump
the Second Amendment.
Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
slate_leeper
wrote:
>Like the trigger of a two year old child and have the child's brains
>splatter over the room. Oops dad for got to lock up the handgun!
>
Would you please post a source for a credible story of an incident
where a two year old child accidentally shot himself in the head? This
shouldn't be a problem, since you say such incidents are common.
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> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A7BA850...@216.196.97.136...
>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:47fd2b99$0$4052$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net:
>>
>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>>> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
>>> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>>
>> Many believe that the right to keep and bear arms comes from God, you
>> twit.
>
>
> Hopefully, you don't believe that.
I'm an agnostic. When I die, I will go the Great Perhaps.
--
RD (The Sandman)
War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse
JoeSpareBedroom
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:aVcLj.1434
> $Cn4...@news02.roc.ny:
>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A7BA850...@216.196.97.136...
>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:47fd2b99$0$4052$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net:
>>>
>>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>>>> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
>>>> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>>>
>>> Many believe that the right to keep and bear arms comes from God, you
>>> twit.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, you don't believe that.
>
>
> I'm an agnostic. When I die, I will go the Great Perhaps.
{drum crash!}
"Is this an audience or an oil painting?"
-Henny Youngman
harmony
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:aVcLj.1434
> $Cn4...@news02.roc.ny:
>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A7BA850...@216.196.97.136...
>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:47fd2b99$0$4052$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net:
>>>
>>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
>>>> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
>>>> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>>>
>>> Many believe that the right to keep and bear arms comes from God, you
>>> twit.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, you don't believe that.
>
>
> I'm an agnostic. When I die, I will go the Great Perhaps.
>
why take a chance when jesus loves you? pls do not kill.
lora...@cs.com
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
No it doesn't dummy... we don't live in a theocracy.
harmony
<lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
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-----------------------------------------------
pls don't let semantics get ya.
you don't have to live in a theocrazy to let god into your
country/congress/state legislature/county govt/city hall/class rooms. the
constitution preamble clearly makes a case against the human error aka the
2nd amendment.
ranjit_...@yahoo.com
> M.RanjitMathewswrote:
> > "You shall not murder" and "Turn the other cheek" were authored by
> > different people living in different eras. So, the latter author's
> > statement can't confirm what the former author meant.
>
> Different eras, yes; different people, no.
When questioned about why his guidelines for divorce were different
from Moses' law, Jesus explained "Moses permitted you to divorce your
wives because your hearts were hard." Moses and Jesus lived in
different eras AND Moses and Jesus were different people.
Felix D.
"slate_leeper" <bycy...@spamex.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:45:56 -0400, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Like the trigger of a two year old child and have the child's brains
>>splatter over the room. Oops dad for got to lock up the handgun!
>>
>
>
> Would you please post a source for a credible story of an incident
> where a two year old child accidentally shot himself in the head? This
> shouldn't be a problem, since you say such incidents are common.
I can hear it now: "Even if it isn't true, you know it could be!"
M. Ranjit Mathews
You'll be stuck in the firmament - neither in heaven above nor on
earth below:-)
tankfixer
A...@Arthurian.com says...
>
> "Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
> > harmony (AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
> >
> >> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and
> >> god said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from
> >> god". further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd
> >> amendment.
> >
> > Guns do.
> >
> > "Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
> > Criminals do.
> > (Prove me wrong!)
> >
> >
> > I can't shoot "gods", as, well, they don't exist.
> > But I can shoot criminals... even those retards that say they
> > "found Gawd' in prison and were released to commit more crimes.
> >
> >
> > More guns in the hands of intelligent people, more dead or wounded
> > Criminals and idiots like you, that believe in silly shit that are
> > the cause of all the worlds problems.
> >
> > Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the
> > time by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records
> > kept) for great and wonderful things.
>
> 12,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA- "great and wonderful'?
12,000 americans killed by criminals.
Got a solution to them ?
tankfixer
A...@Arthurian.com says...> news:jUaLj.1402$NU2...@news01.roc.ny...
> > "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
> > news:NJaLj.20865$%15....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >> "Tony Levin" <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in message
> >> news:47fd342c$0$5652$607e...@cv.net...
> >>> harmony (AKA Jay Stevens) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and
> >>>> god said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from
> >>>> god". further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd
> >>>> amendment.
> >>>
> >>> Gods doen't exist.
> >>> Guns do.
> >>>
> >>> "Gods" can't commit crimes as, well, they don't exist.
> >>> Criminals do.
> >>> (Prove me wrong!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I can't shoot "gods", as, well, they don't exist.
> >>> But I can shoot criminals... even those retards that say they
> >>> "found Gawd' in prison and were released to commit more crimes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> More guns in the hands of intelligent people, more dead or
> >>> wounded Criminals and idiots like you, that believe in silly shit
> >>> that are the cause of all the worlds problems.
> >>>
> >>> Guns are a wonderful tool, that ARE owned and used 99.99+% of the
> >>> time by USA's proud and wonderful owners,(according to all records
> >>> kept) for great and wonderful things.
> >>
> >> 12,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA- "great and
> >> wonderful'?
> >>
> >
> >
> > where criminals explicitly asked to shot by their intended victims?
>
> Why would you care since you consider 63 dead children killed by
> playing with their parents unlocked handgun is insignificant?
I dare say more children are killed playing in backyard pools each year.
And falling off bicycles.
Do you wish to ban them also ?
or maybe just some very stiff regulations and controls, permits and
training would suit you ?
tankfixer
a...@hotmail.com says...> news:ftk0ou$tvn$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god
> >> said, "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god".
> >> further, usa is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
> >
> > ruined our large cities. You wanna see the truly Godless? Go to an inner
> > city. (Chicago's projects, East ST Louis, LA, New York... you get the
> > point.) Theft, rape, and murder are an every day part of life.
> >
> > I will not be a victim of said Godlessness. Someone wanting to kill me
> > for a couple of bucks should never be allowed, regardless of philosophical
> > opinion.
> >
>
> nonsense.
What you post usually is my friend.
> love thy enemy.
I do.
But that is no reason to trust he will not attempt to harm me.
> god has said in multifarious ways that killing is a no-no. 2nd amendment is
> anti-god, a mere human error.
God said murder is prhibited. But then you knew that..
I think the human error may be,
-
-
-
You
tankfixer
a...@hotmail.com says...
>
> "Mr. Albritton" <albri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ftlmbo$sb6$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> the apostles were jews, god's chosen people. it is anti-god to subject
> >> jews to the same rules.
> >> pls do not kill. jesus loves you.
> >
> > 1.) Don't change the subject. We're talking about the right to bear
> > arms, not what people answer to what religion.
> > 2.) The apostles bearing arms is the same as the rest of the population
> > bearing arms. "It's anti-God to subject Jews to the same rules" does not
> > apply. God doesn't play favorites.
>
>
> the jews are god's chosen people. it is god's word. period. pls re-read your
> bible and learn to know god's word.. it is anti-god of you if you think
> differently. or are you just plain anti-semite?
I think you will find that when Jesus showed up the chosen part was
expanded to the rest of us heathens, if we choose to accept it.
Felix D.
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.cat.army.mil> wrote in message
news:MPG.2269b371...@nntp.earthlink.net...
> 12,000 americans killed by criminals.
Correction: according to an FBI and Univ. of No., Carolina study of gunshot
victims in Raleigh NC during the late 90's, they foun d that 76% of all
persons sugfferiunbg gunshots wounds are criminals who are shot by other
criminals, police, or citizens.
Factoring that out, we have 4,000 Americans allegedly killed by criminals.
> Got a solution to them ?
That's what police are for: solving crimes after they've happened. It's up
to us to prevent them from happening in the first place.
RD (The Sandman)
da7b-4f86-9e8...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
I won't be there either. I will be cremated and my ashes strewn to the
winds.
tankfixer
1Che...@OGPU.org says...
>
> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.cat.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2269b371...@nntp.earthlink.net...
>
> > 12,000 americans killed by criminals.
>
> Correction: according to an FBI and Univ. of No., Carolina study of gunshot
> victims in Raleigh NC during the late 90's, they foun d that 76% of all
> persons sugfferiunbg gunshots wounds are criminals who are shot by other
> criminals, police, or citizens.
>
> Factoring that out, we have 4,000 Americans allegedly killed by criminals.
Umm, 76% of 12,000 killed is a bit larger than 4000.....
Wanderer
> In article <47fd2b99$0$4052$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
>> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
>> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
>> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
>
> A dictionary can trump
> the Second Amendment.
HOSHIARPUR: Ravinder Kaur, just 18 and in love with Amritpal, hardly
got any chance to be with the man she wanted to marry. On Wednesday,
when her family left home to attend a neighbour's wedding, she sneaked
out and went to meet her 25-year-old lover.
But someone spotted her with Amritpal and the word spread like wildfire
in Darga Haeri village, 35 km away from Hoshiarpur. Soon, seething at
seeing their Saini girl with a scheduled caste man, Ravinder was dragged
home by her relatives and beaten unconscious.
The next day, police sources said, she was "consigned to flames", yet
another casualty in Punjab's bloody history of honour killings.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Chandigarh/Girl_in_love_killed_cremated_secretly/articleshow/2945901.cms
Magus
He was disregarding that "bit larger than 4000" number because those are
"criminals who are shot by other criminals, police, or citizens".
The 4,000 number defines the average Joe or Jane Citizen being killed.
Felix D.
"Magus" <no...@noway.net> wrote in message
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Quite right, and that's where my concern is. As to the criminals that get
shot: so they should bleed out and die already.
tankfixer
says...
His statement was it was 4000 allegedly killed by criminals.
I think he is confused.
Magus
Aye, 4000 non-criminals killed--or approximately 24% of the
approximately 12,000 killed annually.
The 76% of 12,000 are criminals--not Joe and Jane Average Citizen.
Those numbers are his argument, not mine. I was just pointing out to
you why he wasn't addressing the 76% of 12,000.
Peter Franks
Who authored the Ten Commandments?
Benj
> "in god we trust" is written all over the u.s. constitution. and god said,
> "thou shall not kill". further, "we get our rights from god". further, usa
> is committed to god. surely, this trumps 2nd amendment.
Harmony were you just born stupid or did you get diarrhea and
accidentally flush your brains down the toilet?
Virtually EVERYTHING you have written above is in error. "In God we
trust" is the motto of the United States and it is written all over
our MONEY, not the U.S. Constitution. Cripes, are you retarded! And
The bible relates that Moses claimed that God gave him 10 commandments
of which one said "Thou shalt not commit MURDER". I know that murder
is killing, but did you ever stop to consider that killing isn't
always murder? Yeah, I thought you might have never heard of that. And
we do NOT "get our rights from God"! The idea comes from the
declaration of Independence and the statement is: "We hold these
truths to be self-evident, that all men [means MANKIND, dummy, which
includes both men and women] are created equal, that they are endowed
by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Hey, Harmony, ever hear those words before? Yeah I thought not! They
are some of the basic ideas upon which YOUR country is founded.
Sheesh! Now pay close attention. Note that rights do NOT "come from
God". They do NOT come from "Allah". They do NOT come from "Vishnu"
They do NOT come from "Nature". Ok, I"ll help you through this. Take
your finger and go back up to the Quote I just provided for you. Using
your finger as a pointer scan through it until you come to the part
where mankind is "endowed" with rights. Now using to dictionary to
spell the "hard" words figure out for yourself where rights come
from... THAT'S RIGHT, HARMONY! They Come from the "CREATOR"!!! And
just WHAT is the "CREATOR", well, get this. It is not the Christian
"God" or HIndu "God" or atheist "Nature", it's whatever the citizen
BELIEVES it to be. Under Freedom of religion EACH person gets to
decide what THEY regard "the Creator" to be. So your Christianization
of the "Creator" is just the icing on the cake of your monumental
ignorance!
So I take it that you believe that the motto on a dollar bill trumps
the highest law of the land. I suggest you try that in court the next
time your sorry stupid ass gets hauled in there. See if you "get
off".
Moron.
RD (The Sandman)
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Actually, the number of deaths (at a 76% rate for criminals) would leave
2880 normal citizens killed not 4000. (12000 - 76%)
Magus
His math, I wasn't critiquing, just illuminating the point he was making
since it seemed to be overlooked. Doesn't mean I was agreeing with him
either, just that his point was missed.
robw
vote when?
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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Rob Derhak
> Men= Mankind which includes men and women.......and women got the right to
> vote when?
Since the beginning of time, you jackasss.
Since when did YOU become a man that would prefer to NOT be a "man" and
protect yourself OR your "muse", if confronted with a life or death
situation?
YOU said that you would rather be murdered, then defend/kill to survive
and/or protect yourself, or a loved one, under ANY circumstance.
YOUR WORDS!
Your "muse" must be feeling rather safe with the likes of you now... IF
she read what you wrote, and knew how you are.
How often do you blow "her" up?
RD (The Sandman)
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You know that I am simply picking nits with you and pulling your chain.
;)
bval...@aol.com
> Men= Mankind which includes men and women.......and women got the right to
> vote when?
When the Republicans beat the Democrats.
robw
We've talked about this more than once and she totally agrees.
If I killed someone I would cease to be the person she fell in love with.
Like the new name, but I really liked it when you used Jack Bruce much
better.
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