One of the salient features of the Muslims, is their
obsession with conversion to Islam. They will resort to
any mean to convert a non-Muslim to Muslim.
My name is Rahul Chakma. I belong to the Jumma people
of the Chittagong Hill Tracts, Bangladesh. The Jummas
are non-Muslims in overwhelmingly Muslim
dominated Bangladesh. The Bangladesh government have
been trying to Islamise the Jumma people by murder,
coercion, intimidation and monetary allurement. Followings
are some examples of conversion to Islam by coercion, then
again these are only tip of the iceberg.
A Buddhist monk in the refugee camp in Tripura, India
describes his ordeal to the Amnesty International, the
incident took place in 1986 at Panchari where a group
of Jumma people were attacked because they were not Muslims.
"Before this happened, one day 13 of us went to market.
I was not a monk then. The Bangladesh Rifles (paramilitary
force) and settlers caught us and out of 13, nine were
killed and four of us escaped. The reason was that we were
not Muslims; they wanted us to be Muslims to take Islam. It
was in the market itself and some of the people were also
caught up from around. Among the people whom they caught was
my wife. They cut her with daos (machette) - some of the
marks on her neck are still there. She is in Karbook
(refugee camp in Tripura). This took place in the market
itself on market day, Wednesday. The others ran away. They
also tried to cut me with daos on the neck. Luckily my shirt
collar was thick and I escaped from being killed. As they
killed the others they shouted: 'Oh Chakmas, will you not
become Muslims? If you refuse we will kill you now'."
A Buddhist monk from the Kalanal Buddhist Temple describes
to the Amnesty International the persistent harassment of
the Jumma villagers by the Bangladesh military and the
Muslim settlers:
"For many months now soldiers have been regularly visiting us
and slaughtering cows in our shrine.... They always said that
if we did not agree to this (conversion to Islam) they will
come one day and kill us. On the morning of 1 May they carried
out their threat by escorting a group of two to three hundred
settlers, some of whom were dressed in the uniform of home
guards, to our village and began their depredations by
attacking Buddha Vihar (the temple). Most of us were, however,
able to flee but soldiers punched on Purnananda Bhikku (one
of the monks) and after beating him with rifle butts handed
him over to the Muslims who threw him into the shrine which was
by now on fire. He died. Later when I met more people from my
village they said that two young girls of the village had been
raped mercilessly by troops and Muslims and then killed with
bayonets."
Another woman described her experience to the CHT Commission
as following:
"Some soldiers came to our house and woke us up and poured
cold water on our heads. I had two daughters. The soldiers
tried to take my daughters, they were 9 and 11 years old.
They hit me on the head with lathi (stick). My head
was bleeding. My daughters were crying As my head was
bleeding heavily, the soldiers gave me some medicine, then
they asked me whether I would become a Muslim. I said: 'No,
I'd rather die.' Then they said: Will you be able to stand
naked before us and also 'If you give us your daughters, we
will release you.' They beat me and then left."
Bangladeshi terrorism: "http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/"
Yes, Moslems like to point to the prosperous period of Islam. However, once
an entity conquers a large part of the world and unifies (forced), there is
always a period of growth afterwards. It is ridiculous to start nitpicking
over who's period of growth after devastation was the largest. I don't
think I have to explain the ridiculousness of this nitpicking. A large
period of growth happened during the Roman Empire also. The Romans unified
the world with road and utilities after they slaughtered and/or imprisoned
any one who opposed their rule.
After saying this, I do know peaceful Moslems so I know that not all Moslems
feel this is what Islam should be. I know that there is not a single Moslem
mind in the world. There is much fighting and disagreement within the
Islamic world as is also in other religions or secular endeavor for that
matter.
"Rahul Chakma" <rcha...@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:d4314246.01120...@posting.google.com...
She says that if there something good in her life that came out of
September 11th, it is that her eyes have been opened. "In my deepest
heart I know this is the truth, and I want to testify my faith."
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kcrw/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=178233
"Andy" <some...@somewhere.usa> wrote in message news:<jwMQ7.102527$S93.5...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>...
In Bangladesh it's not surprising to come accross news stories like
this celebrity and that celebrity embraced Islam. "Neil Armstrong
heard Allah's voice in moon and on return to earth embraced Islam",
"Michael Jackson embraced Islam", "Bill Clinton embraced Islam", of
course the stories were false and only wishful Muslim thinking.
Islamisg...@yahoo.com (Islamisgrowing) wrote in message news:<86bbeb0b.01120...@posting.google.com>...
"Rahul Chakma" <rcha...@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:d4314246.01121...@posting.google.com...
Can you refute what "lies" Rahul said.
And please. Dont say we practise Sati or we have a caste system. What
Rahul said is true. everywhere in the Islamic world, non muslims are
presecuted.
You guys talk about "Peace", but you chop the hands of pick
pockets(Saudi Arabia), stone women to death after burying
them(Taliban), treat christians as second class citizens who are not
considered as "full witnesses" (Pakistan).
Andy,
The Christian crusades took place **long ago***. But even in the 21st
century, the Islamic governments follow Shariat law, a draconian law
which allows anyone to persecute non-muslims at will.
Regards
Joc
"jannah" <jann...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote in message news:<3c184...@news.tm.net.my>...
This is true in many states*, but "at will" might be too strong to
describe the situation in all Islamic states.
* Try http://www.dhimmi.com
> And please. Dont say we practise Sati or we have a caste system. What
> Rahul said is true. everywhere in the Islamic world, non muslims are
> presecuted.
Why can't we talk about Sati and caste system.
There's also many places in the world, where muslims are persecuted.
> You guys talk about "Peace", but you chop the hands of pick
> pockets(Saudi Arabia), stone women to death after burying
> them(Taliban), treat christians as second class citizens who are not
> considered as "full witnesses" (Pakistan).
These are the far extreme. There's also many Muslim countries that
treat everybody fairly. Why is this big issue to you, do you like
to steal or commit a crime. Ideally the penalty can't be implement
without serious consideration of all the facts. people can't
be penalized if they steal because of desperation (starvation etc)
India too is hostile place towards christians.
christian missionaries were killed in India by hindu fanatics.
But i do not judge all people based on the few.
> The Christian crusades took place **long ago***. But even in the 21st
> century, the Islamic governments follow Shariat law, a draconian law
> which allows anyone to persecute non-muslims at will.
Its not too long ago, when Hitler (christian) persecuted minorities
without a peep from the Pope. Its not too long ago too, h
that Serbian Christians massacred their Muslim neighbors in Bosnia.
Shariat Law is not a draconian law. its just a law. in some countries
it is only applied to muslims. Even british based/secular laws can and
has been used to persecute against minorities. (eg: detention without trial)
peace
Mohammad Izam .
Ikhwan ul muslimin
Well, i agree with you more or less. I admit i dont know about Muslim
persecution in other parts of the world.
But in India, it is highly exagerrated. Muslims have religious and not
primary education. So they naturally dont get proper jobs. Illetracy
rate is very high among India among Muslims. But for everything, they
blame it on India which is totally untrue.
Hindu Sati does not harm Muslims. The last Sati incident took place
some 15 years back !!. But everyday dozens of hindus are killed by
Muslims in Kashmir.
es...@earthdome.com (esper) wrote in message news:<b822d9ef.01121...@posting.google.com>...
Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir, America, Britain, Abenia, Algeria, India -
any place you look .... the muslim bloood is soo cheap ... so easy to
flow!
We shall overcome one day ....
jocke...@indya.com (jock) wrote in message news:<77a43c6a.0112...@posting.google.com>...
Jannah, what version of Quran are you reading? I have compared the
verse with Qurans by 2 different authors. The theme is the same with
slight variation in words.
Here is another hoax and lie for your entertainment.
Concocted Drama Centering Raping of Hindu Woman Uncovered
Radharani Divulged The Fact of Her False Rape Case At The Court
Daily Inqilab, Dec 13, 2001
Radharani, a 50-year old housewife of Mohanchandra Barman, hails from
Belabot of Narsindi district. She appeared at Narsindi district's
First Class Hakim's Court to admit that on October 30, 2001 Alfaz and
three of his accomplices forced to sign a paper and lodge a false rape
case against Amzad and six other people against her will. She also
complained that the rape case was pressed under the Women & Child
Repression Act with the help of OC (Officer in Charge) of Belab police
station. She attested that death threat was extended to pressure her
to file the false case.
It is to be mentioned that Radharani is a poor housewife. She has
frown-up sons and daughters. She has been put into embarrasing
situation with this false rape case. Her entire family is now under
dire mental depression. Alfaz and his gang had renewed their death
threat ever since she divulged the truth. Since then, Radharani left
home and went into hiding.
Andy
The news never get to you, because the Muslims countries would not
allow independent journalists nowhere near their slaughter houses. For
example the Bangladesh army, motivated by Islamic fanaticism and
religious hatred perpetrated 13 major massacres against my people in
1980s and 1990s, slaughtering average 300 people in each massacre.
Israelis are gentlement compared to these Muslim savages, being
democratic and civilized, Israel at least allow the journalists where
Palestine uprisings take place.
You would Ruhul today had the Mughals/Pathans/Turks wanted to
forcefully convert the whole of India to Muslims. Ever pondered how
much dignity and restraint they showed to the non-Muslims?
"In 1025, for example, the Hindu inhabitants of Somnath were reported
to have stood calmly watching the advance of Mahmud's fierce army
toward their temple city's walls, confident that Shiva, whose
"miraculous" lingam hung suspended within a magnetic field inside
Somnath's Womb-house, would surely protect his worshippers from harm."
[A New History of India by Stanley Wolpert, Oxford Univ Press, 1982]
Brits came to save Islam in the 1700's?. Mo(ron) habshi
(re-incarnated), do know subcontinental history? In guise of traders,
Brits came to India and then established their rule by uprooting
muslim rulers. Muslims were the eye-sore to the Brits specially
following the Mutiny of 1857. That's why it was the muslims who bore
the brunt of British wrath. Here is what is written in the book THE
RAJ (edited by a group of British authors),
"Hunter, who was a Bengal civil servant, epitomized the suspicion with
which the British regarded the political aims of Indian Muslims, and
which was so powerfully reinforced by the events of 1857. Hunter, who
had been asked to write on the subject by the Viceroy Lord Mayo,
[eaxct wording of Mayo's question was, "Are the Indian Musalmans bound
by their Religion to rebel against the Queen?" - see Hunter's book
"The Indian Musalmans"] concluded that Muslims were predisposed both
by their faith and by their gradual loss of political power to oppose
the interests of the British empire. By a selective use of evidence he
attempted to show that Muslims had been the leaders of the Rebellion
and that the natural allies of the British were the new Hindu middle
classes..." [p.231]
The above mentioned W. W. Hunter himself wrote back in those old days,
"The Musalmans of India are, and have been for many years, a source of
chronic danger to the British Power in India." [The Indian Musalmans
by W. W. Hunter, published in 1871, p.3]
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:37:55 +0000, Habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
>They tried and tried , but the Hindus fought back and
>reconquered all of India and Pakistan and Kashmir but the Brits
>arrived in 1700s to save Islam .
>
>On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:33:16 GMT, shakil...@email.com (Shakil
>Sarwar) wrote:
>
>You would be Ruhul today had the Mughals/Pathans/Turks wanted to
>forcibly convert the whole of India to Muslims. Ever pondered how
>much dignity and restraint they showed to the non-Muslims?
On 18 Dec 2001 04:46:17 -0800, rcha...@angelfire.com (Rahul Chakma)
>Brits came to India and then established their rule by uprooting
muslim rulers.<
Lies . When the Brits arrived Hindus - Marathas , Nepalis ,
Assamese , South and Sikhs (Ranjit Singh) were ruling all of
Pakistan , Afghanistan , Kashmir , Gujarat , Punjab , Haryana , Bihar
, MP , Karnatka , Kerala , Assam , Nepal etc. and Muslims had been
driven into a tiny corner around Delhi and were paying tax to the
Hindus , and Madras .
Luckily for Islam the Brits arrived and saved this cruel
montrosity which masquerades as a religion.
Of course Hindus realized that they have to embrace modernism in order
to be successful in the coming world.
They were fighting against British but clearly understood that British
were different from the tryant Islamic rulers and hence Hindus quickly started
adopting the modern education of British.
> >
> >You would be Ruhul today had the Mughals/Pathans/Turks wanted to
> >forcibly convert the whole of India to Muslims. Ever pondered how
> >much dignity and restraint they showed to the non-Muslims?
That is absolute nonsense. If History could be shown back then not a single
Muslim will be able to speak up.
The Islamic rule in India was no different from Taliban.
Aurangzeb , ShahJahan and all the other bastards were no different from Bin Laden.
Hindus have been kind enough to forget about the cruelty of Islamic rule.
No you shall not.
If Muslims don't reform then killing a mosquiotoe and killing a Muslim will
mean the same.
If you don't change your ways you will be screwed in every civilized part of world.
For U.S. blacks, an ancient faith, a renewed hope
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In the name of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful
Sayings of the Prophet Muhammad
(peace and blessings upon him)
ISLAM began as something strange, and it will become thus again, as it
was at the beginning.
Blessed, therefore, are the strangers.
(He was asked who the strangers are:)
The strangers are those who restore what the people have corrupted of
my law,
as well as those who revive what has been destroyed of it.
You will not enter paradise until you believe,
and you will not believe until you love one another.
Let me guide you to something in the doing of which you will love one
another.
Give a greeting to everyone among you.
I was delegated as a prophet to perfect moral virtues.
Good character is half of faith.
God is merciful to those who show mercy to others.
Power consists not in being able to strike another,
but in being able to control oneself when anger arises.
Honor your children and thus improve their manners.
The three best things:
to be humble amidst the vicissitudes of fortune;
to pardon when powerful;
and to be generous with no strings attached.
Whoever does not express his gratitude to people will never be
grateful to God.
The best people are those who are most useful to others.
Living among others is a cause for blessing,
while seclusion is the cause of torment.
Happy is the person who finds fault with himself
instead of finding fault with others.
From morning until night and from night until morning
keep your heart free from malice towards anyone.
A perfect Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands mankind is safe.
Islam is purity of speech and hospitality.
Every religion has a distinctive virtue
and the distinctive virtue of Islam is modesty.
Greet those whom you know and those whom you don't know.
When asked what was most excellent in a human being, he answered,
"A friendly disposition."
The best of God's servants are those who when seen remind you of God;
and the worst of God's servants are those who spread tales
to do mischief and separate friends, and look for the faults of the
good.
Whoever believes in one God and the Hereafter,
let him speak what is good or remain silent.
He is the best Muslim whose disposition is most liked by his own
family.
Respect the guest and do not inconvenience your neighbors.
The faithful are as one person.
If a man complains of a pain in his head, his whole body complains;
and if his eye complains, his whole body complains.
He is not of us who is not affectionate to the little ones
and does not respect the reputation of the old.
Truly, the farthest seat from me on the day of resurrection will be
the garrulous, those who talk glibly, and those who talk tall.
And who is it that talk tall? The vain-glorious.
God is gentle and loves gentleness.
Inscribed on the prophet's sword:
Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off;
do good to him who does evil to you;
and speak the truth even if it be against yourself.
Whoever restrains his anger when he has the power to show it,
God will give him a great reward.
Backbiting is more grievous than adultery,
and God will not forgive the backbiter until the one wronged has
forgiven him.
Keep yourselves far from envy, because it eats up and takes away good
actions
as fire consumes and burns the wood.
What actions are most excellent?
To gladden the heart of a human being,
to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted,
to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of
the injured.
========================================================
The Last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad
May the Mercy and Peace of Almighty God be upon him
This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of the month of Dhul-Hijjah
in
the Tenth Year of the Hijrah (i.e. the Prophet's forced migration from
Mecca
to Medina) in the 'Uranah Valley of Arafat, near Mecca.
After praising and thanking Almighty God (Arabic: Allah), the Prophet,
peace
be upon him, said:
"O People lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this
year I
shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying
very
carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE
TODAY.
O People just as you regard this month, this day and this city as
sacred, so
regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return
the
goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that
no one
may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that
he will
indeed reckon your deeds. ALMIGHTY GOD has forbidden you to take
interest
(Arabic: riba), therefore all financial obligations involving interest
shall
henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither
inflict nor suffer any inequity. Almighty God has judged that there
shall be
no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd
al-Muttalib (the
Prophet's uncle) be waived. Every right arising out of homicide in
pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I
waive
is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al- Harithibn.
O men, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order
to
make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God
has
made permissible. With Almighty God, the months are twelve in number.
Four
of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly
between the months of Jumada and Shaban.
Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope
of
that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of
following him in small things.
O People it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your
women,
but they also have right over you. Remember that you have taken them
as your
wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by
your
rights, then to them belong the right to be fed and clothed in
kindness.
Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners
and
committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends
with
anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
O People, listen to me in ernest, worship ALMIGHTY GOD, say your five
daily
prayers fast during month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in charity
(Arabic: Zakat) and perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All of mankind comes from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority
over a
non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; also
a
white has no superiority over a black nor does a black have any
superiority
over a white --- except by piety and good action. Learn that every
Muslim is
a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one
brotherhood.
Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow
Muslim
unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do
injustice to
yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Almighty God and answer for
your
deeds. So beware and do not stray from the path of righteousness after
I am
gone.
O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
WILL
BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand the words
which I
convey to you. I leave behind me two things: the QUR'AN and my SUNNAH,
and
if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those
to
others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than
those
who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O GOD, that I have conveyed
Your
message to Your people."
In the name of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful
"When Allah created His creation, He did so while completely
independent of their obedience towards Him and of their disobedience
towards Him. No disobedience can hurt Him and no obedience can benefit
Him. Then He distributed among them their means of sustenance and
placed them on earth.
The people of taqwa on earth are those of virtue: their sppech is
correct; their garments are of moderate nature and their walk is one
of humility. They lower their gazes when they see something that Allah
has forbidden them to see and they give an ear to beneficial
knowledge. They maintain their integrity in both adversity and
prosperity.
Had it not been for the appointed time that Allah had written for them
(death), their souls would not remain an extra second in their bodies,
out of yearning for reward and fear of punishment. The Creator ranks
supreme in their eyes, so everything else becomes immaterial to them.
They are with Paradise as if they had already witnessed it and enjoyed
its presence. They are with Hell as if they have already seen it and
tasted its torment. Their hearts grieve, and their evil is
non-contagious. Their bodies are lean, their needs are few and their
souls are chaste.
They observe patience for a few days and experience everlasting
comfort. This is a profitable exchange that their Lord has made
pleasant for them. The world tempts them, but they do not succumb. It
imprisons them, but they ransomed themselves in exchange.
During the nights they stand in rows and read portions of the Quran.
They recite with proper recitation which grieves their hearts, and
drink it like medicine. If a verse of yearning comes along, they reach
for it and believe it is their destination. If an intimidating verse
comes along, they pour their hearts towards it, and believe that Hell
and its screams are in their ears. They sleep on their foreheads and
elbows (the pray so much that they sleep in these positions) and
implore Allah to deliver them.
In the day, they are tolerant and learned, kind and God-fearing. Fear
has chipped away at their bodies, as if they were arrows. Anyone
looking at them would think that they were sick. But they are not
sick. Some will say that they are confused. A great fear has made them
look like that. They are never content to do only a few actions, nor
do they ask for a great deal.
They condemn themselves, and are apprehensive about their deeds. If
one of them is called ‘pious,’ he fears what will be said
of him, and says: "I know myself better than you do. My Lord knows me
better than I do. O Allah! Do not take me to task for what they are
saying about me and make me better than they think. Forgive my sins
which they do not know about."
Their signs are that they are strong in Islam; resolute in their
softness; firm in their belief. They crave for knowledge, and are
knowledgeable with tolerance; moderate in richness; pleasant in
hunger; forbearing in distress; seeking halal; active in (pursuing)
guidance and they abhor greed.
They perform good deeds in fear (of rejection). They spend the evening
in gratitude and the morning in remembrance. They sleep in alarm and
they awake in joy. If their carnal selves make it difficult for them
to fulfil that which they dislike, they deprive themselves of that
which they like. The apple of their eyes is in what does not perish,
and their abstemiousness is in what disappears. They combine knowledge
with tolerance, and speech with action.
You will find that their hopes are realistic, their mistakes few;
their hearts humble, their selves content; their diets meagre, their
matters simple; their Deen safe-guarded, their desires killed and
their anger subdued. Goodness is expected from them, and evil is
shielded against them. If they are among the oblivious, they are
counted amongst those who remember. If they are among those who
remember, they are not wriiten among the oblivious.
They pardon those who wrong them; they provide for those who deprive
them, and meet those who severe ties with them. They are never profane
and always lenient. Their wrong-doings are almost non-existent, and
their good deeds are always present. They are resolute when the earth
quakes, steadfast in calamities and grateful in prosperity.
They are not prejudiced against those they dislike, nor do they favour
those they love. They acknowledge the truth before it appears, and do
not lose anything they are entrusted with. They do not call anyone
names, nor do they hurt their neighbours. They do not curse at the
time of difficulties, nor do they venture into falsehood.
Silence does not bother them, and if they laugh they do not raise
their voices. If they are treated with injustice, they remain patient
until Allah vindicates them. Their own selves live in toil, while
others are comfortable around them.
Their abstinence from those who stay away from them is their
exoneration (from malice). Their proximity to those who are close to
them is a means of mercy (for those who are close to them). Their
remaining aloof is not out of pride and arrogance, and their being
close is neither a ploy nor scheme."
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)...
Only a man of noble character will honor women, and only a man base
intentions will dishonor them...(
>That is absolute nonsense. If History could be shown back then not a single
>Muslim will be able to speak up.
>The Islamic rule in India was no different from Taliban.
>Aurangzeb , ShahJahan and all the other bastards were no different from Bin Laden.
>Hindus have been kind enough to forget about the cruelty of Islamic rule.
Akbar was a great ruler, though he had to become a bad Muslim
to do it, apparently.
Ever read this?
"The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who
respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims... The real purpose of
levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that
they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They
should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to
hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam."
-- Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter #163
--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
--The Jam
That's the real sufism I have known. And that's the milder form of
Mohamadism!!!!!!!!!!!!