Possible company involved in WTC demolition
schoenf...@gmail.com
just after second plane hit.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
At time 9:20
Here's a photo of equivalent truck
http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/image/56542907&gcmd=add_comment
Manhattan Demolition Company, Inc.
816 43rd Avenue
Long Island, NY 11101
2.4MI from New York City
Phone: 718-361-0397
SIC: 1795
NAICS: 235940
Sales: $2.5-5 Million
Employees: 50 - 99
Industry: Construction, Special Trade Contractors, Wrecking and
demolition work
Notes:
- They dont seem to have a website
Interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/nyregion/23company.html
References:
http://www.bizdays.com/metro/bizid-502334.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
animal05
Maybe you should look up the definition of the word "demolition" and
then research how it relates to the construction industry.
In NYC there are likely hundred of demolition companies. It is one of
those things that happens when a lease space turns over to a new tenant.
Only a kook troofer would try to connect it to what happened on 911
not_bad
Do I see steel beams bent outwards?
Cardinal Chunder
Ah right. So this global conspiracy would have been perfect except for
the conspirators driving past in a truck marked "Manhattan Demolition".
Fucking idiot.
John P.
>A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
> just after second plane hit.
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
> At time 9:20
Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
bank.
Otherwise, the NY demolition company would never send trucks and crews out
to work and earn money. They had been parked in a garage and were only
brought out for 9/11.
schoenf...@gmail.com
<c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com> wrote:
Well if they can demolish WTC 7 right in front of everyones eyes and
have them believe a plane did it then I don't see them bothering to
expend much effort in concealing their tracks. All the details are
probably easily found via scratching the superficial surface as other
911 investigators have done. Maybe someone from NY region should
bother to look.
> Fucking idiot.
Anyone who saw WTC 7 collapse and did not immediately realize it was
controlled demolition is mentally ill.
Cardinal Chunder
WTC 7 collapsed from extensive damage and subsequent fire. It's amazing
how you think it was a controlled demolition when countless firefighters
said in testimony and even in contemporary clips that they knew the
building was going to collapse.
> All the details are
> probably easily found via scratching the superficial surface as other
> 911 investigators have done. Maybe someone from NY region should
> bother to look.
Maybe you should seeing as you're asserting something without supplying
ANY evidence to demonstrate it happened.
>> Fucking idiot.
>
> Anyone who saw WTC 7 collapse and did not immediately realize it was
> controlled demolition is mentally ill.
Yes, for as well all know standard demolition procedure is to carve a
large gouge out of a building with falling debris, set it on fire for
the rest of the day and then watch as an inner collapse destroys
supporting columns and the outside finally gives way.
But hey, kooks assert controlled demolition so it must be true. Right?
BDK
c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com says...
They were "that close" (holding my fingers a tiny distance apart) to
pulling it off!
Jeezus..
BDK
BDK
Jo...@youreatowel.com says...
> <schoenf...@gmail.com> wrote in a message
>
> >A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
> > just after second plane hit.
> > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
> > At time 9:20
>
> Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
> top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
> indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
> you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
> bank.
They have "Acme Bank and Credit Union Robbery", and "Robber's are us"
here in this area. They seem to have a lot of problems with their help
suddenly winding up in jail.
>
> Otherwise, the NY demolition company would never send trucks and crews out
> to work and earn money. They had been parked in a garage and were only
> brought out for 9/11.
>
>
They keep all the stuff like:
Robbery Trucks
Arson Vans
Suicide Choppers (The might have lost one to a Deer last night on his
way to wherever it was he was going to)
Crowd Killer Cars
And my personal favorite:
Kataclysmic Karts.
Inside this supposedly abandoned warehouse that has lights on, and
appears to have some heat in it. I wonder why. It's supposedly been for
sale for at least 13 years too.
It's conveniently located next to the train station, for fast getaways,
I'm sure. The bad guys probably hop on the 80+ a day freight trains
dressed as "Hobos/Bums/Tramps".
When I drive by it, I can just SMELL the conspiracy oozing out of it!
Or maybe it's just a bum who needs a bath and some new clothes.
BDK
MalcolmO
> controlled demolition is mentally ill.
Absolutely right. Without the slightest possible doubt. In fact, not
only is it clearly controlled demo, it's the smoothest, slickest one
I've ever seen!
Al Dykes
Funny, Lots of NY firemen and a few others disagree with you. The
south side of the building was on fire and buring all day.
FDNY Capt. Chris Boyle
So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn.t look
like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south
side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building,
with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building
and it didn.t look good. But they had a hose line operating. Like I
said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually
they pulled back too.
Then we received an order from Fellini, we.re going to make a move
on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because
the building didn.t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe
systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn.t really
keen on the idea. Then this other officer I.m standing next to said,
that building doesn.t look straight. So I.m standing there. I.m
looking at the building. It didn.t look right, but, well, we.ll go
in, we.ll see.
So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We
headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away
and Butch Brandeis came running up. He said forget it, nobody.s
going into 7, there.s creaking, there are noises coming out of
there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that,
Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report
of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so
Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and
that was abandoned. Firehouse Magazine: When you looked at the
south side, how close were you to the base of that side? Boyle: I
was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window
or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through
there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of
it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and
said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we.ll head back to the
command post. . Capt. Chris Boyle http://tinyurl.com/e7bzp
Firefighter Kevin Howe:
"At that time there was a lot of fire going on. I think it was the
Customs House was roaring. The 7 World Trade Center was roaring."
Captain Robert Sohmer:
"As the day went on they started worrying about 7 World Trade
Center collapsing and they ordered an evacuation from that
area..."
Assistant Chief Harold Meyers:
"Chief Nigro directed me to continue monitoring conditions at the
site. Specifically to monitor number 7 World Trade Center. We were
very concerned with the collapse potential there, and to do
whatever I could do to ensure site safety in that no additional
people became injured."
Firefighter Fred Marsilla:
At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner
of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a
bad place, because it was the corner facing us. But you do what
you got to do as usual. We operated till they finally started
pulling people back.
Early in the afternoon you have Chief Hayden sighting it with a
surveyor's transit: (Firehouse Magazine) "By now, this is going on
into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional
collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good
portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty
sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a
bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had
put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to
collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran
up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the
afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this
thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firefighter Adrienne Walsh:
Then we were instructed to search through two or three buildings
to make sure they were stable, and then they pulled everybody out
because of the pink building. Was it 7 World Trade, that was
going? Q. Right. A. Then they pulled everybody out.
Firefighter Kevin Quinn:
Then approximately I guess maybe two hours before number 7 came
down, we went into Ground Zero and helped dig around and was there
when they located Chief Feehan and one of the Chiefs pulled us all
out because they said 7 was going to come down.
Captain Anthony Varriale:
At that time, other firefighters started showing up, Deputy
Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the 41 Battalion, and James
Savastano of the First Division assigned to the Second Battalion
showed up and we attempted to search and extinguish, at the time
which was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We were
unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because we were entering
from the northeast entrance. We weren't aware of the magnitude of
the damage in the front of the building. We made searches. We
attempted to put some of the fire out, but we had a pressure
problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at
the scene and thought that the building was too dangerous to
continue with operations, so we evacuated number 7 World Trade
Center.
Firefighter Vandon Williams:
It could have been an hour, hour and a half we were doing that
before we were ordered to move away from that part of Tower No. 1
because there was an imminent danger of collapse of World Trade
Center No. 5 and 7.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110282.PDF
Firefighter Eugene Kelty, Jr.:
And 7 World Trade was burning up at the time. We could see
it. There was concern. I had gone up to take a look at it, because
I knew that the telephone company building, which is 140 West
Street, was next to 7 World Trade Center, and there was a concern
that if 7 World Trade came down, what would happen to this
building?
There was concern. I had gone up to take a look at it, because I
knew that the telephone company building, which is 140 West
Street, was next to 7 World Trade Center, and there was a concern
that if 7 World Trade came down, what would happen to this
building? We went in there, we checked it out. There were some
people in there. We made them evacuate and I went in the back to
see what was happening. I went back and I reminded whoever the
chief was, I don't know if it was Chief McKavanagh or Chief
Blaich, that with 7 World Trade Center in danger of collapsing,
you had to be careful, because Con Edison had big transformers in
the back that supplied the lower half of Manhattan. So we had to
be concerned about electricity, that this may be energized or not
be energized. .Firefighter Eugene Kelty Jr.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110261.PDF
Firefighter Richard Banaciski:
They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7
World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were
up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You
could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was
gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were
because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller
buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires
going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out
of that building because that 7, they were really worried about.
Chief Frank Cruthers:
Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have
been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires
in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we
instructed that a collapse area ?
Q. A collapse zone?
A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected
collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it.
A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected
collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in
it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the
substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants
and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have
when it collapsed. They shut down the power, and when it did
collapse, the things that they were concerned with would have been
[sic]. That's about it. .Chief Frank Cruthers
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110179.PDF
Fireman Edward Kennedy:
"But this is as the day was going on and, of course, there were so
many transmissions going over. I remember him screaming about 7,
No. 7, that they wanted everybody away from 7 because 7 was
definitely going to collapse...."
I remember him screaming about number 7, No. 7, that they wanted
everybody away from 7 because 7 was definitely going to collapse,
they don't know when, but it's definitely going to come down, just
get the hell out of the way, everybody get away from it, make sure
you're away from it, that's an order, you know, stuff like that.
.Firefighter Edward Kennedy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110502.PDF
Fireman Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler:
"Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade
Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in
danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the
collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."
Firefighter George Holzman:
"We stayed there for quite sometime when I don't even know who, I
think it was someone, Lieutenant Lowney spoke to, asked us to
leave the area, they were concerned about 7 World Trade Center
collapsing."
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110467.PDF
They backed me off the rig because Seven was in dead jeopardy, so
they backed everybody off and moved us to the rear end of Vesey
Street. We just stood there for a half hour, 40 minutes, because
Seven was in imminent collapse and finally did come
down. .Firefighter Thomas Smith
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110246.PDF
We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing
steel would result in the building collapsing. So for the next
five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near
that building, which included the whole north side of the World
Trade Center complex. .Chief Frank Fellini
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF
We made searches. We attempted to put some of the fire out, but we
had a pressure problem. I forget the name of the Deputy. Some
Deputy arrived at the scene and thought that the building was too
dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated number 7
World Trade Center. .Captain Anthony Varriale
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110313.PDF
Fire Chief Frank Fellini: So for the next five or six hours we kept
firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which
included the whole north side of the World Trade Center
complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number
seven came down." (FDNY Interview, 12/3/2001)
Firefighter TJ Mundy: "The other building, #7, was fully involved,
and he was worried about the next collapse." (Report from Ground
Zero by Dennis Smith. Penguin, 2002)
Harry Meyers, NYPD Safety Chief "My biggest concern at the time was
#7. It was burning, and I felt that was a danger to the rescuers
and to any trapped survivors there might be. ...We were all pretty
much on board that tower 7 was going to fall. We just didn't know
when and in what direction. (Report from Ground Zero by Dennis
Smith. Penguin, 2002. p. 160
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden "We still had 7 World Trade Center, which
was burning also. We were worried about that collapsing, and it did
collapse, about six hours later. There was a conscious decision to
let that building burn and just keep everybody clear." (Report
from Ground Zero by Dennis Smith. Penguin, 2002. p. 32)
"We heard reports all day long of 7 World Trade possibly coming
down. ...We heard that all day long, all the warnings."
.Firefighter Christopher Patrick Murray
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110327.PDF
Civilian photographer Tom Franklin: .Much of what happened to me
on September 11 is a blur, but this moment I clearly remember: It
was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were
evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building --
WTC 7 -- was ready to fall..
http://archives.cjr.org/year/02/2/franklin.asp
Unidentified speaker in video: "Keep your eye on that building,
[WTC7] it'll be coming down soon."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc7_blow_up.wmv
CBS-TV Reporter Vince DeMentri, who sneaked past security barriers
to get close to the scene:
...Building 7 was going to collapse. That appears to be what has
happened now. I don't know exactly how many stories the building
is, Dan, but standing at the base of the building and watching it
burn about an hour ago, it looked to be on the order of 50, 60
stories. [If anyone has the audio leading up to ....Building 7
was going to collapse,. let me know. I.m curious to know why the
CT websites include only this much of the clip.]
http://www.911podcasts.com/view.php?cat=4&med=0&ord=Name&strt=0&vid=24&epi=216&typ=0&form=
We went forward to imagine it.s the corner of Murray and West
Street. Just as we were approaching it, we saw person run north in
front of the car, and then Joe Mazzarella who was sitting in the
passenger seat just started screaming .Reverse! Reverse! Reverse!
Reverse!. I didn.t even look. I just threw it in reverse and
punched it. We flew backwards without being able to see out the
rear, and building Seven came down in front of us .Fire Marshal
John Coyle
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110406.PDF
At this point, I went down back to the middle area of the pile and
I proceeded to make my way to the north side of the towers. At
that point, I ran into Lieutenant Simms, who had another
complement of Ladder 20 there. At this point, I guess I had
formally reported into Deputy Chief Visconti. He was up on the
North End. We waited until tower 7 collapsed and at this point, we
went into the area and assessed the damage that was done to the
buildings and to see if we could control the fires that resulted
from the collapse of tower 7. .Captain Richard Weldon
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110307.PDF
At that time Seven World Trade Center was burning and in was
danger of collapsing. ...I guess it was a Chief was saying clear
the area, because they were worried about number Seven World Trade
Center coming down and burying guys who were digging. So basically
we went back to the rig because they were clearing that area
out. It took about three hours for Seven World Trade Center to
actually come down. .Firefighter Kevin McGovern
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110301.PDF
I remember later in the day it was getting close that they were
more concerned about Seven coming down. I remember later on in
the day as we were waiting for Seven to come down, they kept
backing us up Vesey, almost like a full block. They were concerned
about Seven coming down, and they kept changing us, establishing a
collapse zone and backing us up.
As soon as it came down, everybody got up and tore ass west down
Vesey Street. Everybody was trying to get into this building. I
remember there were 150 guys trying to get through two revolving
doors with full gear. Everyone is screaming. Guys were trying to
smash the glass with their halogens to get through and ended up
freaking out. Everybody was shell-shocked.
That.s when Salka came up and he said all right now that Seven was
down you can start getting closer and down things. There was no
collapse threat anymore. .Firefighter Vincent Massa
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110222.PDF
Eventually they had ordered everybody away from the area again
because of building 7. .Lieutenant James Walsh
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110459.PDF
We stayed in this area for a while, and we started wandering
around, and we came around to where 6 and 7 were, and actually 7,
we were coming down this corner going trying to find something to
do, and that's when they were telling us 7 is going to go, 7 is
going to go, so we kind of backed away. .Firefighter Paul Vasquez
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110397.PDF
They had figured they knew that building was going to come
down. It was just a question of time, and everybody was awaiting
that. .Firefighter Russ Stroebel
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110497.PDF
A Battalion Chief was assigned to us. We took our apparatus to
West Street to the north bridge, on that side over there, where we
began to operate. We had identified different members who were
deceased and trapped in rigs. We were about to proceed our
operation there and this was in the afternoon, I would say
approximately maybe 2:00 roughly, where we started to operate and
then they asked us to fall back again due to the potential of 7
World Trade Center collapsing. At that time, we had fallen back
to probably opposite Stuyvesant High School, I believe it was on
the west side there.
Q. That's uptown a little bit.
A. Right. They had us fall back to there. We stayed at that
position until exactly when 7 collapsed. When 7 collapsed, we
responded again. We had an Engine Company, a spare Engine Company
with us and ourselves. We responded to just behind 7, which was,
I think it was Greenwich, was it Washington or Greenwich? I think
it was Greenwich. Is this Greenwich?
Q. It could be. I don't have a bigger map.
A. We turned the corner, 7 had just collapsed, the block that led into 7.
Q. Pretty sure that's Greenwich.
A. Greenwich and Park was covered with debris, there were burning
autos and all debris. It was starting to extend into the
buildings on both sides of the block. We went to hydrants in that
area. We had off duty guys in our cells, but the hydrants had no
water. We did whatever we could. The rigs actually were starting
to become in danger of lighting up themselves.
We called trying to get water returned to us over here. Finally
one of the members thought, we used it for a good period of time,
we forced the door on one of the buildings there and used the
water from the roof tanks. It was left in the gravity tanks. We
took a two and a half line out of one of the doors. We were able
to advance down Greenwich, stopping, putting fire out in the
street, the cars and from getting into exposures.
They were worried about WTC7 at the time. The decision was made
not to do it, not to get anybody else hurt. That's when we backed
up and they said let's wait for this other building before we
continue any work, because where the bridge was in the direct
path of 7. It was the north bridge where we were looking
initially.
We operated with the Tower Ladder there effectively on those
buildings that were within our reach. Then the other part was
unfortunately we couldn't do anything at the pedestrian bridge
but the concern of 7, which they had no idea which way it was
going to collapse and they just knew it was going to collapse and
they positioned us outside of it.
The company to the south of us was -- it was a double digit -- I
don't know if it was 14. I'm just stabbing at numbers now. It was
just so much debris between cars, it was hard to see what was
good and bad, stuff like that. But that was our main position
right there. I would say from approximately about at least an
hour, hour and a half between 4 and 5. They made us evacuate due
to the fear of 7 coming down. The Chief and myself went down to
that area where we they wanted us to work. Seeing what we would
need; torches, air bags, anything else like that to operate at
that bridge.
The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30,
like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free
burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so
they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to
come down to operate from the north back down. .Captain Robert
Sohmer
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110472.PDF
I remember finding Engine Company 6's rig, stripping that rig of
fittings and hose to hook up to anybody else. I remember at that
time also they were worried about Building 7 because when the
second tower came down, they were worried about parts of
. actually, when the first tower came down, they were worried about
parts of Building 7 collapsing, so I remember getting into Building
7 and searching. I got separated from the crew that I had gone down
with, because I stayed at the pump panel. They had gone around the
West Street side of the building and into the rubble.
I remember coming out of the building now because they were afraid
of Building 7 coming down, and all the other buildings around it
getting knocked down. So they took us out of the
building. .Firefighter Anthony Salerno
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110309.PDF
Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 o'clock, that they thought 7
was going to collapse. So, of course, we've got guys all in this
pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I
guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get
everybody out of there. So it took us a while and we ended up
backing everybody out, and that's when 7 collapsed. Basically, we
fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got
a lot more organized, I would guess. .Lieutenant William Ryan
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110117.PDF
But anyway, more to the point, a rumor started to develop that
tower 7 was going to fall on us or nearby us. Having just lived
through the collapse and having Dr. Kelly just live through the
collapse with both of us getting buried, this was not a very
pleasing feeling. It really does make me understand a lot about
psychological stress that can occur in these events because I would
not have had the same worry about this if I hadn't just come
through one of them. We went outside to speak to the Chief, the
head Chief. His name is Chief Haring. Great guy. But he said, you
know, it's not going to be a problem. Tower 7 may collapse. It's
not going to be anywhere near here. It's not going to be a
problem. But we were really concerned about this.
By the time we were about done with this, we interacted with Chief
Haring again. He basically was incredulous and said: "What are you
crazy? You've moved into the collapse zone, and if this collapse
occurs, the dust cloud is going to knock out that entire
park. You're going to be useless there. You've made it worse."
About midway into setting up physically the second triage area,
hanging the IV bags and everything, a tremendous noise occurs, and
it's so loud that everybody rushes to the rear of the Pace
University building, all the doctors, all the nurses. When the
noise was over, we went to the front. The dust cloud from tower 7,
just like Chief Haring said, wiped out that park. If we had had any
supplies there, any doctors there, they wouldn't have been
killed. I mean, it wasn't that massive the debris that fell on the
park, but they would have been useless. The dust cloud went all the
way up to the door of Pace University, up the stairs, across the
street, right up to the door, the lobby door. .Dr. David Prezant
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"Then we were just hanging out watching building 7 ready to go."
.Firefighter Steve Piccerill
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We were down there for a while until we were ordered off, because
they were worried about Seven coming down. .Firefighter Michael
Palone
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I know when the Lieutenant told us where to go, that wasn.t the
correct staging area, cause we were still too close to the
buildings. They wanted everyone away from it. That.s when there was
a third building that collapsed around that time.
Q: Building Seven, which would be over here.
A: Okay, 7 World Trade, that one collapsed.
Q: 7 World Trade collapsed a little later.
A: Yeah, a lot later. .EMT Alwish Moncherry
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From there, I think that's when 7 was going to come down. So they
backed everybody out, somewhere near Church & Trinity, I
guess. .Firefighter Peter Metzger
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Eventually later in the day we had to evacuate that site because
number Seven collapsed. Prior to its collapse, we evacuated all the
supplies, the doctors, and moved over to Pace University into the
lobby, and they set up another medical area. Most injuries we
treated were eye injuries from the debris, basically cleaning out
people's eyes. .EMS Lieutenant John Mendez
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I think they were fearing about 7 World Trade coming
down. .Lt. Anthony Mancuso.
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At that point they were worried that 7 was coming down so they
were calling for everyone to back out. .Firefighter Matthew Long
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7 World Trade Center? I couldn.t even watch that. I said that.s
enough. I refused to watch that. I took R-and-R. I said you guys
can watch that one. But they got streams and they contained the
fire. I mean, the objective was nobody else got killed, the fire
did not jump the street. .Battalion Chief Frank Vallebuona
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/vallebunoa.html
We were starting to gather over there, and we heard that there was
a building in danger of collapse. This was a couple hours later,
maybe, and that huge building -- it was on that block. When that
came down, we all ran down to the west side. .Firefighter Stephen
Jezycki
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110050.PDF
Then at one point they chased us out of there for fear of collapse
of a building; I believe it was Seven World Trade. So they got us
out of there because they didn't know which way that building was
going to collapse. When Seven World Trade did collapse, we were in
the Woolworth Building. You couldn't even see. It was
unbelievable. You couldn't even see your hand in front of your
face. That's how much dust and debris was flying around. .FDNY
Captain John Henricksen
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110069.PDF
The only thing that had me really frustrated was they wasn't really
trying to let us go back down there. (After the collapse of the
second building). I understand after it was unsafe. Cause I guess
after that 7 came down. Well 7 didn't come down until like 4, 5
o'clock. So I was just wondering, they just kept us cooped in there
for a long time. .EMT Jarjean Felton
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110041.PDF
During the search we were ordered by one of the battalions to move
north above -- towards Stuyvesant High School -- under the overpass
at Chambers Street, because at that point it was feared that Seven
World Trade Center was going to collapse. It did so later in the
afternoon. .Lieutenant Francis Farrington
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Captain Michael Currid, the president of the Uniformed Fire
Officers Association, said that some time after the collapse of the
Twin Towers, .Someone from the city's Office of Emergency
Management. told him that building 7 was .basically a lost cause
and we should not lose anyone else trying to save it," after which
the firefighters in the building were told to get out. (Murphy,
Dean E., 2002. September 11: An Oral History. New York: Doubleday
pp. 175-76)
While we were searching the subbasements (of building 6) they
decided that Seven World Trade Center which was across the street
was going to collapse, so they called us out. We were so far down
we couldn.t hear them, but we came out after we searched the
subbasements. Actually we came out on the Seven World Trade Center
parkway street when came out they were calling us on the radio to
tell us to get out. I then reported that the search was negative
and then they wouldn.t let anybody near the site pretty much
because Seven World Trade Center was going to come down. .Battalion
Chief Frank Congiusta
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110425.PDF
We were ordered down from the tower ladder because of a possible
collapse at Tower 7. .Firefighter Pete Castellano
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110398.PDF
The reason we were given for why we were moving was that 7 World
Trade Center was going to collapse or was at risk of collapsing. So
we must have been somewhere in this area where we would have had a
problem with that. ...They wanted us to move the treatment sector
because of 7 World Trade Center was imminently to collapse, which,
of course, it did .Paramedic Joseph Cahill
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110085.PDF
The rest of the day we were unloading trucks we were just doing
whatever little things we could do, but they were waiting for 7
World Trade Center to fall. .Firefighter Timothy Burke
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110488.PDF
"We were asked to go out of that area due to a risk of collapse in
7 WTC. " .PAPD P.O. Thomas Johnson
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf page 10.
...And that was one of the directions from the command post, to
make sure we clear the collapse zone from 7 and this is a
600-foot-tall building, so we had to clear a 600-foot radius from
that building. .Battalion Chief John Norman
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norman.html
Fire Chief Joseph Pfeifer: "Yes, I watched 7. At one point, we were
standing on the west side of West Street and Vesey. And I remember
Chief Nigro coming back at that point saying I don't want anybody
else killed and to take everybody two blocks up virtually to North
End and Vesey, which is a good ways up. And we stood there and we
watched 7 collapse." ("WTC: This Is Their Story," Firehouse,
4/2002)
EMT Jason Charles: "So we started heading over to where Building 7
was at and they were like Building 7 is going to collapse, you
can't go over there, this and that, and there was another building
that they thought was going to collapse that was like right behind
the triage center, the building that we were in." (FDNY interview,
1/23/2002)
Fire Lieutenant Roy David: "At Pace University we had -- we set up
-- I'm sorry, we set up in that lobby of that building, the lobby
and the actual whole first floor. There was a threat of collapse of
building number seven, so 225, we had to evacuate it." (FDNY
Interview, 10/12/2001)
"The three of us along with 2 firemen searched that area until we
were told to leave due to 7 possibly collapsing." .PAPD
P.O. Thomas Hering
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf p.13.
All later attempts to return to the WTC were stopped by the
pending, and eventual collapse of Building 7 and the uncontrolled
fires. .PAPD P.O. Lawrence Guarneri
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 34
A while later, an NYFD supervisor approached and ordered the
rescuers away from the area because 7 WTC was in danger of
collapse also. .M. DeFilippis, PAPD P.O.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 49
At about 1300 hrs between repeating officers fruitless efforts to
locate fellow officers and the warning of building number Seven's
possible collapse I started to walk uptown on West Street in hope
of locating the PAPD Command Center. .Christopher Bergmann, PAPD P.O.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 52
An FDNY supervisor deemed the area we were in unsafe, and assisted
people out of the immediate area. .M. McAdams, PAPD P.O.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 72
Reports of gas main leaks, bombs, small arms fire and buildings
about to collapse forced us to again relocate further north on
West Street. .Daniel A. Carbonaro, PAPD Lieutenant
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 76
Several attempts were made to assist the trapped, but we were
kept out due to the uncontrolled fires and other building
collapsing around us. .PAPD P.O. Patrick Versage
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 95
Returned to the site on 2-3 occasions...in an effort to help with
evacuation but was stopped due to the imminent collapse of 7 WTC.
.PAPD LT. William Oorbeek
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf page 97
Unfortunately we could not do much more because of fear that other
buildings surrounding the Trade Center were going to come
down. .PAPD P.O. John McClain
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports04.pdf page 33
Once they got us back together and organized somewhat, they sent us
back down to Vesey, where we stood and waited for Seven World Trade
Center to come down. .Firefighter Frank Sweeney
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110113.PDF
But they weren.t really getting [sic] guys get too deep into it
because of the possible pending collapse of Seven World
Trade. ...We were staged there a good part of the afternoon until
Seven finally did collapse. .Firefighter David Moriarty
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110228.PDF
.they told us to evacuate the area for tower number Seven, building
Seven, when they knew that was coming down. .Firefighter Dominick
Muschello
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110249.PDF
.Captain Verraile from 24 Engine said, .Hey, let.s just back
everything off here because this building is coming
down.. .Firefighter Howie Scott
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110365.PDF
Then they said that the 47 story hotel building.I think it.s number
Seven.was about to come down. ...We were around for the rest of the
afternoon. At about 5:30 that did come down. .Firefighter Edward
Mecner
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110391.PDF
They were saying building Seven was going to collapse, so we
regrouped and went back to our rig. We waited for building Seven to
come down. .Firefighter James Wallace
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110409.PDF
At 5:20, No. 7 finally falls. They've been waiting for it to go so
they can move the firemen and search-and-rescue teams in. With the
thunderous collapse, firemen bolt up from where they've been
camped, on the south side of the Embassy Suites. Some have been
sitting on plush hotel furniture carted into the street, eating
food from the Mexican restaurant next door. There's a stampede over
pickaxes and oxygen tanks. They head out toward the crushed fire
trucks. "They're looking for their brothers," says an ambulance
driver.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/5183/index.html
Now, World Trade Center 7 was burning and I was thinking to myself,
how come they're not trying to put this fire out? I didn't realize
how much they had because my view was obstructed. All I could see
was the upper floor. At some point, Frank Fellini said, now we've
got hundreds of guys out there, hundreds and hundreds, and that's
on the West Street side alone. He said to me, Nick, you've got to
get those people out of there. I thought to myself, out of where?
Frank, what do you want, Chief? He answered, 7 World Trade Center,
imminent collapse, we've got to get those people out of
there. . Deputy Chief Nick Visconti
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visconti.html
"So when I get to the command post, they just had a flood of guys
standing there. They were just waiting for 7 to come down. ... I
made it down Vesey Street to just in front of the overpass of 7
World Trade. People were saying don't stand under there, it's going
to come down. ... So at that point we were a little leery about how
the bridge was tied in, so no one was really going onto it, and
then they were also saying 7 was going to come down. They chased
everyone off the block." . FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy (FDNY
interview, 10/11/2001)
Fire Captain Brenda Berkman: "We no sooner got going on something
there when a chief came along and said, 'Everybody's got to leave
the area. We're afraid that Seven World Trade is going to fall
down.' (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002,
p. 213)
and:
"After being ordered back because of the fear that yet another
building was about to collapse (7 World Trade Center, 40+ stories),
Brenda [Berkman] and her crew went to find other firefighters who
might have some tools or a radio. ... That afternoon, 7 World Trade
Center came down. 'We had cleared an enormous collapse zone for
that, and it still wasn't big enough. When the thing came down, the
rubble and the dust came across the West Side Highway, over and
past the rubble from the towers that was there.'" (Linda Willing,
"Report from Ground Zero: The World Trade Center Collapse,"
FireWork, 9/2001)
Byron Pitts, CBS News correspondent: "About an hour ago, World
Trade Center building number 7 collapsed. ...It was the one
calamity that was not a surprise. Police had evacuated the area
hours ago, fearful building number 7 would indeed fall down." (CBS
News, 9/11/2001)
Kansas City Star: "About 4:30 p.m., word went out to evacuate the
area. Officials were worried that Building 7 of the Trade Center
complex would collapse." (David Hayes, "Amid despair,
photographer's work brought hope," Kansas City Star, 3/28/2004)
Mark Jacobson, reporter, New York Magazine: "Hours later, I sat
down beside another, impossibly weary firefighter. ... Then, almost
as a non sequitur, the fireman indicated the building in front of
us, maybe 400 yards away. 'That building is coming down,' he said
with a drained casualness. 'Really?' I asked. At 47 stories, it
would be a skyscraper in most cities, centerpiece of the
horizon. But in New York, it was nothing but a nondescript box with
fire coming out of the windows. 'When?' 'Tonight ... Maybe tomorrow
morning.' This was around 5:15 p.m. I know because five minutes
later, at 5:20, the building, 7 World Trade Center, crumbled."
(Mark Jacobson, "The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll," New York Magazine,
3/27/2006)
Christine Haughney, reporter, Washington Post: "Then a policeman
directed me north. The Solomon Smith Barney building--Building
Seven--was about to collapse." (Chris Bull and Sam Erman, At Ground
Zero, 2002, p. 17)
Peter DeMarco, reporter, New York Daily News: "Seven or eight
blocks down Greenwich Street, the No. 7 World Trade building, a
smaller, forty-story structure, was on fire. The street was closed;
the building was going to collapse." (Chris Bull and Sam Erman, At
Ground Zero, 2002, p. 97)
Liz Gonzalez, reporter, Telemundo/Channel 47: "They started
evacuating the area because they thought a third building was going
to go down. We decided to stay. We saw the third building crash."
(Newseum, Running Toward Danger, 2002, p. 209)
Sara Kugler, reporter, the Associated Press: "I saw hundreds of
firefighters leaning against buildings, sitting on trucks, eating
fruit and water that the Red Cross was handing out. 'Where are all
the injured?' I asked. 'They are not letting us in. It's not
stable,' said the firefighters. ... All of a sudden Seven World
Trade Center started to collapse." (Newseum, Running Toward Danger,
2002, p. 210)
FDNY Captain Chris Boyle (Engine 94 - 18 years) -
"But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the
sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back
too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we're going to make a
move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up
because the building didn't look good. I was figuring probably the
standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I
wasn't really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I'm
standing next to said, that building doesn't look straight. So I'm
standing there. I'm looking at the building. It didn't look right,
but, well, we'll go in, we'll see.
So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We
headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away
and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's
going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of
there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after
that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another
report of further damage either in some basements and things like
that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final
thing and that was abandoned.
Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to
the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout
there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a
third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came
down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we'll head back
to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again
that day." - FDNY Captain Chris Boyle (Engine 94 - 18 years) -
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html
"The next thing I did was we saw a fire starting to show at windows in 7
World Trade Center, decided to go in and try and see if there was anybody in
the building and/or put out the fires, and we did a search from floor to
floor of 7 World Trade Center
passing fire on floors 3, 7, 9. The standpipes had no water. We tried to
extinguish a few fires with cans. When we got to 11, there was just too much
smoke and we decided that, without water, if we went any higher, we'd be on
fool's mission. So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street,
where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine
24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade
Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of
collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone
around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."
- FDNY Lieutenant Rudolf Weindler -
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Here.s a woman who thought the FDNY .brought the building down.
69. Indira Singh, a volunteer EMT: "What happened with that particular
triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we
had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming
down. ... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I
heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable,
because of the collateral damage. ... By noon or one o'clock they told
us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a
little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being
brought down. ... There was another panic around four o'clock because
they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this
ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running." (KPFA,
4/27/2005)
We heard a mayday for everybody to get out of the building
(Verizon Bldg., next to WTC 7) -- no, I'm sorry, an "urgent,"
three "urgents," and we came out of the building. I'd say that was
like an hour and a half, two hours later. We were then positioned
on Vesey Street between North End and the West Side Highway
because there was an imminent collapse [warning] on 7 World Trade,
and it did collapse. .Firefighter Brian Fitzpatrick
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110256.PDF
September 18, 2003
The National Institute of Standards and Technology has hired a
contractor to interview 800 people by phone and conduct 575
face-to-face interviews over the next four to six months. There
also will be interviews with 15 focus groups of those who were at
the scene.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.towers18sep18,0,6663107.story?coll=bal-news-nation
We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning
and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all
floors. .FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110081.PDF
Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building
and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in
flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a
half an hour later it came down. .FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110447.PDF
All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do
anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing
members. .Firefighter Marcel Klaes
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110018.PDF
When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all
forty-seven stories. .FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith,
Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the
Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)
Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe
because building 7 was really roaring. .FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry
Kelly. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110207.PDF
Chief Cruthers told me that they had formed another command post up
on Chambers Street. At this point there were a couple of floors
burning on Seven World Trade Center. Chief McNally wanted to try
and put that fire out, and he was trying to coordinate with the
command post up on Chambers Street. This is after searching for a
while. He had me running back and forth trying to get companies to
go into Seven World Trade Center. His radio didn't seem to be
working right either because he had me relaying information back
and forth and Chief Cruthers had me --
Q. So everything was face-to-face? Nothing was by radio?
Yeah, and it was really in disarray. It really was in complete
disarray. We never really got an operation going at Seven World
Trade Center. .FDNY Captain Michael Donovan
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110205.PDF
So yeah then we just stayed on Vesey until building Seven came
down. There was nothing we could do. The flames were coming out of
every window of that building from the explosion of the south
tower. So then building Seven came down. When that started coming
down you heard that pancaking sound again everyone jumped up and
starts.
Why was building Seven on fire? Was that flaming debris from
tower two, from tower two that fell onto that building and lit it
on fire?
A: Correct. Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw
it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on
fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully
engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two
[sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the
corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up
at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some
odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one
side of the building to the other, that.s an entire
block. .Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110413.PDF
The time was approximately 11a.m. Both of the WTC towers were
collapsed and the streets were covered with debris. Building #7 was
still standing but burning. ...We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who
has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us
that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its
collapse was imminent. There were no fires inside the loading dock
(of 7) at this time but we could hear explosions deep inside. .PAPD
P.O. William Connors
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports04.pdf page 69
"There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a
snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and
starting to collapse.
We're kind of caught in traffic and people and things, and
everything's going on. We hear over the fire portable, "Everybody
evacuate the site. It's going to collapse." Mark Steffens starts
yelling, "Get out of here! Get out of here! Get out of here! We've
got to go! We've got to go! It's going to collapse." I turned
around, and I piped up real loud and said, "Stay in the frigging
car. Roll the windows up. It's pancake collapsing. We'll be
fine. The debris will quit and the cloud will come through. Just
stay in the car." We pulled the car over, turned around and just
watched it pancake. We had a dust cloud but nothing like it was
before. .Paramedic Louis Cook
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110103.PDF
I walked around the building to get back to the command post and
that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come
down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors,
probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was
pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a
major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' .FDNY Chief
Thomas McCarthy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110055.PD
There were hundreds of firefighters waiting to -- they were waiting
for 7 World Trade Center to come down as it was on fire. It was too
dangerous to go in and fight the fire. .Assistant Commissioner James Drury
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110098.PDF
We assisted some FDNY personnel who were beginning to attempt to
fight the fire at 7 WTC. We assisted in dragging hose they needed
to bring water into the building. .Kenneth Kohlmann PAPD P.O.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports04.pdf page 26
My first thoughts when I came down a little further into the site,
south of Chambers Street, was, "Where am I?" I didn't recognize
it. Obviously, the towers were gone. The only thing that remained
standing was a section of the Vista Hotel. Building 7 was on
fire. That was ready to come down. .Charlie Vitchers, Ground Zero
Superintendent
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/profiles/profiles_vitchers_t.html
The 7 World Trade Center was roaring. All we could think is we were
an Engine Company, we have got to get them some water. We need some
water you know. With that, we positioned the rig, I don't know, 3
quarters of a block away maybe. A fire boat was going to relay
water to us. I don't know if I have things in the right order,
whatever, if we were getting water out of a hydrant first. Jesus
Christ --
Q. Captain said you were getting water. You were draining a vacuum?
A. It was draining away from us. Right. We had to be augmented. I
think that's when the fire boat came. I think the fire boats
supplied us. Of course you don't see that. You just see the
(inaudible) way and you know, we are hooking up and we wound up
supplying the Tower Ladder there. I just remember feeling like
helpless, like everybody there was doomed and there is -- I just
felt like there was absolutely nothing we could do. I want to just
go back a little bit..Firefighter Kevin Howe
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110469.PDF
"When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade
Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window
has fire. It is an amazing site. .Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder
6. (Dennis Smith. Report From Ground Zero. New York: Viking
Penguin, 2002. P. 103)
7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully
involved. It was unbelievable. .Firefighter Steve Modica
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/modica.html
So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is
on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by
the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the
ramp, was now fully engulfed. .PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim
http://www.911report.com/media/davidlim.pdf
---------------------
[Shortly after the tower collapses] I don.t know how long this was
going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7
and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken
out on the Vesey Street side. I looked up at the building and I saw
smoke in it, but I really didn't see any fire at that time. Deputy Chief Nick Visconti
http://tinyurl.com/paqux
A few minutes after that a police officer came up to me and told me
that the fagade in front of Seven World Trade Center was gone and
they thought there was an imminent collapse of Seven World Trade
Center. .FDNY Lieutenant William Melarango
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110045.PDF
After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings,
46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade
Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel,
when they felt and heard another explosion [the collapse of the
north tower]. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to
the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was
gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said.
http://www.record-eagle.com/2001/sep/11scene.htm
So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I
ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale,
Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7
World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and
definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to
evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we
did. . FDNY Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF
Just moments before the south tower collapsed and, you know, when
it happened we didn't know it was the south tower. We thought it
was the north tower. There was a reporter of some sort, female with
blond hair and her cameraman, an oriental fellow. They were setting
up outside 7 World Trade Center, just east of the pedestrian
bridge. I told them it would probably be better off to be set up
under the bridge. At least it was protected. I was just about to
enter a dialogue with her when I heard a sound I never heard
before. I looked up and saw this huge cloud. I told him run. I
grabbed the female, I threw her through the revolving doors of
number 7.
We were proceeding inside. She fell to the ground. I helped her
out, I pushed her towards the direction of where we were all in the
south corner and there was a little doorway behind that desk which
led into the loading bays. Everybody started to run through
that. Never made it to that door. The next thing that I remember
was that I was covered in some glass and some debris. Everything
came crashing through the front of number 7. It was totally pitch
black.
Q. Were you injured?
A. Yes, I saw some stuff had fallen on me. I didn't believe that I
was injured at that time. I discovered later on I was injured. I
had some shards of glass impaled in my head, but once I was able
to get all this debris and rubble off of me and cover my face with
my jacket so that I could breathe, it was very thick dust, you
couldn't see. We heard some sounds. We reached out and felt our
way around. I managed to find some other people in this lower
lobby. We crawled over towards the direction where we thought the
door was and as we approached it the door cracked open a little,
so we had the lights from the loading bay. We made our way over
there. The loading bay doors were 3-fourths of the way shut when
this happened, so they took a lot of dust in there, but everyone
in those bays was safe and secure. We had face to face contact
with Chief Maggio and Captain Nahmod. They told me . I said do
whatever you need to do, get these people out of here. Go, go
towards the water. .EMS Division Chief Jon Peruggia
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110160.PDF
You could see the damage at 7 World Trade Center, the damage into
the AT&T building. .FDNY Firefighter Vincent Palmieri
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110258.PDF
At this point, 7, which is right there on Vesey, the whole corner
of the building was missing. I was thinking to myself we are in a
bad place, because it was the corner facing us. .Fred Marsilla, FDNY
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110399.PDF
The way we got into the loading dock [of WTC 7] was not the way we
were getting out. It was obstructed.
Q. The door was blocked?
A. Yeah, and we found our way -- we walked across the loading
dock area, and we found there was another door. We went in that
door, and from there we were directed to -- I really guess it was
like a basement area of the building, but we were directed to an
opposite door. .Dr. Michael Guttenberg , NYC Office of Medical
Affairs
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110005.PDF
We eventually ended up meeting after the second explosion, three of
us met up here, but I didn't see a lot of the people that were with
me until two, three days later. I got word that they were okay. For
instance, Dr. Guttenberg and Dr. Asaeda, who were at 7 World Trade
Center, they got trapped in there and had to like climb in and out
and get out because that building also became very damaged
supposedly and they were there. We thought they were dead. I guess
he was in an area where Commissioner Tierney might have been, I
believe. I think she was in 7 also. .Paramedic Manuel Delgado
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110004.PDF
The decision was either to go left or right and we ended up going
right, between the two buildings, in the alleyway on the north,
which turned out to be the right direction because apparently there
was a lot of debris and part of 7 down already. Also, I did notice
as I was making my exit the sound of the firefighters' alarms
indicating that they were down. I did remember that as well but
just could not see anything. .Dr. Glenn Asaeda
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/sept11_fdny_transcripts/9110062.PDF
I saw the firefighter. There were people screaming out of one of
these two buildings over here saying they couldn't get out, and my
partner took one straggler fireman, the one that we had with us,
and was trying to break the door because the door obviously had
shifted or something. They couldn't get the door open.
Q: That was 7 World Trade Center?
A: I believe it was 7. Maybe it was 5. It was at the back end of
it because I do remember the telephone company [which is next to
building 7]. So I think it was the back end of 7, I think right
over here at that point, and they couldn't get out. Then I had
ran down the block and I flagged a ladder company and they
brought the ladder, which they had like a vestibule that you
couldn't like really reach the people because the ladder wouldn't
reach. So they went and got other resources, they went inside the
building, and I told my partner that it wasn't safe and that we
need to go because everything around us was like falling
apart. .EMT Nicole Ferrell
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110304.PDF
The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the
collapse of the second Tower. . Fire Captain Brenda Berkman (Susan
Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)
At that point, they said that Seven World Trade had no face and it
was ready to collapse. . EMT Mercedes Rivera: (Susan Hagen and Mary
Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 29)
As far as I was concerned, we were still trapped. I was
hopeful. things were looking a whole lot better now than they were
just a few minutes earlier, but we were a long way from safe and
sound. Five World Trade Center was fully involved, Six World Trade
Center was roaring pretty good, and behind them Seven World Trade
Center was teetering on collapse. The buildings just behind him
and to his left were looking like they too might collapse at any
time, and there were whole chunks of concrete falling to both
sides. Flames dancing everywhere. The small-arms detonations were
kicking up a notch or two, and it sounded like this poor guy was
being fired at, by snipers or unseen terrorists, at close range.
(Last Man Down by Richard Picciotto, FDNY Battalion Commander
Penguin Books, 2002. page 191)
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
schoenf...@gmail.com
You have to literally be mentally ill to believe that. It's the same
kind of illness exhibited by wifes of pedophiles who just can't bring
themselves to face the obvious.
[...]
schoenf...@gmail.com
> <schoenfeld....@gmail.com> wrote in a message
>
> >A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
> > just after second plane hit.
> >http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
> > At time 9:20
>
> Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
> top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
> indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
> you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
> bank.
You are invoking straw man arguments as a mechanism to ignore reality.
"Bank Robbery", "Arson" trucks don't exist because such activities are
illegal. "Demolition" trucks do exist as I've shown in my original
post. They're functions obviously pertain to demolition.
Why is there a "Demolition" truck driving around the scene where three
of the worlds most notorious and sophisticated demolitions are about
to take place?
If that company had any involvement in it, it wouldn't surprise me
that they would be careless enough as to perform some key function
with such a labelled truck. Who owns that company and what is there
relation to Larry Silverstein is the question you should be asking.
Notice how you raise straw man arguments to obfuscate away the
reality? After all these years, you still don't see the BLATANTLY
obvious? Such stupidity does not exist. You are just mentally ill, and
that's the truth.
harry k
>
> - Show quoted text -
What an idiot. Clue: No plane hit WTC 7. Damage from debris and
fire caused by the two towers collapsing destroyed 7.
Harry K
harry k
> On Sep 30, 8:12 pm, "John P." <Jo...@youreatowel.com> wrote:
>
> > <schoenfeld....@gmail.com> wrote in a message
>
> > >A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
> > > just after second plane hit.
> > >http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
> > > At time 9:20
>
> > Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
> > top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
> > indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
> > you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
> > bank.
>
> You are invoking straw man arguments as a mechanism to ignore reality.
>
He is invoking it to show how idiotic your posts are. There were fire
trucks pominently identified at the scene also. Were they part of
it? Cop cars? News vehicles? Oh, wait, I think I saw a street
cleaner there also, musst have been ready to clean up any conspiracy
evidence.
Harry K
Cardinal Chunder
> On Sep 30, 8:12 pm, "John P." <Jo...@youreatowel.com> wrote:
>> <schoenfeld....@gmail.com> wrote in a message
>>
>>> A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
>>> just after second plane hit.
>>> http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
>>> At time 9:20
>> Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
>> top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
>> indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
>> you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
>> bank.
>
> You are invoking straw man arguments as a mechanism to ignore reality.
>
> "Bank Robbery", "Arson" trucks don't exist because such activities are
> illegal. "Demolition" trucks do exist as I've shown in my original
> post. They're functions obviously pertain to demolition.
Are you claiming that rigging a building for demolition, with its
occupants still inside is a legal activity? Or that people who are doing
such a thing would wish to advertise their presence by driving around in
a large dump truck?
> Why is there a "Demolition" truck driving around the scene where three
> of the worlds most notorious and sophisticated demolitions are about
> to take place?
Where "scene" means "in the same city" since it was filmed at least a
mile away. Furthermore, it appears to be a dump truck, the kind used to
haul away building rubble. The sort of thing that you might expect to
see in a city where presumably there is continuous building work happening.
Let's reinstate the link to the type of truck so we can laugh at the
utter stupidity of your assertion.
http://www.pbase.com/hjsteed/image/56542907
> If that company had any involvement in it, it wouldn't surprise me
> that they would be careless enough as to perform some key function
> with such a labelled truck. Who owns that company and what is there
> relation to Larry Silverstein is the question you should be asking.
Right... So this super top sekret plot was outsourced to a company with
an enormous bright red dump truck with "Manhattan Demolition" written
along its sides.
> Notice how you raise straw man arguments to obfuscate away the
> reality? After all these years, you still don't see the BLATANTLY
> obvious? Such stupidity does not exist. You are just mentally ill, and
> that's the truth.
The blatantly obvious as you put it is the desperate grasping at straws
by konspiracy kooks such as yourself. Not surprising really when you
have no evidence at all to back up your nutty klaims.
Cardinal Chunder
You mean all those firefighters and other witnesses who stated in no
uncertain terms that is exactly what happened are mentally ill? Did you
read any of the testimonials that Al Dykes has already kindly supplied
reference to? And if so, did you rationalize their words by pretending
they're mentally ill?
> It's the same
> kind of illness exhibited by wifes of pedophiles who just can't bring
> themselves to face the obvious.
Is this something you have first hand experience of?
Al Dykes
Only the kOOks thing the Bad Guys would label their vehicles "NWO
DEMOLITION" and drive to the scene of the crime.
For the out-of-towners and children reading this, in NYC companies
that removate floors in office buldings use demolition companies to
remove the debris. These trucks are omni-present.
These companies HAVE NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO BLOW STUFF UP. I don't think
they deal with anything that can't be done with crowbars and
sledgehammers and lots of muscle.
----
I have added a couple items here. If it's been a while since
you looked at any of these, take another look.
Anyone that hasn't seen Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth Movement"
kooks that hang out there should look at the first three videos. The
others should be required viewing by anyone that has an opinion about
9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.
Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera http://rayrivera.net
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113
The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en
WTC Ground Zero 9/11/2007 Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2LeCXXIjo
Les Jamieson and others of NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ny911truth.orgmembersdisparagethefdnyatg
How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
show them for what they are
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Marks's collapse video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en
"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
Al Dykes
<schoenf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sep 30, 8:12 pm, "John P." <Jo...@youreatowel.com> wrote:
>> <schoenfeld....@gmail.com> wrote in a message
>>
>> >A street video shows red "Manhattan Demolition" truck driving past
>> > just after second plane hit.
>> >http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/290907Footage.htm
>> > At time 9:20
>>
>> Wow! You've blown this thing wide open. One of the very first tactics of a
>> top secret US government black operation is to park vehicles that are clear
>> indicators of what you're doing. If they had instead rob a bank that day,
>> you could have expected to see a "Bank Robbery" truck parked outside the
>> bank.
>
>You are invoking straw man arguments as a mechanism to ignore reality.
>
>"Bank Robbery", "Arson" trucks don't exist because such activities are
>illegal. "Demolition" trucks do exist as I've shown in my original
>post. They're functions obviously pertain to demolition.
>
These companies remove debris for floor removations in office
buldings. They don't knock down steel buildings or blow stuff up.
It's all crowbars, sledgehammers and muscle.
NWO
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george
> He is invoking it to show how idiotic your posts are. There were fire
> trucks pominently identified at the scene also. Were they part of
> it? Cop cars? News vehicles? Oh, wait, I think I saw a street
> cleaner there also, musst have been ready to clean up any conspiracy
> evidence.
>
Well Harry I suppose that since the fire trucks were there the
building must have caught fire from them :-)
Do kooks get any sillier ?
Al Dykes
I am very humble whan I comment on the spelling errors of other, but I
love the spelling error in the first 5 seconds of that video.
Al Dykes
Dozens of firemen with supporting video say that video's claim is
wrong. There are no firemen that contradict these firemen.
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7Corner.jpg
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3859529288033431294%20
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7Corner.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
FDNY Capt. Chris Boyle
Firefighter Kevin Howe:
Captain Robert Sohmer:
Assistant Chief Harold Meyers:
Firefighter Fred Marsilla:
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firefighter Adrienne Walsh:
Captain Anthony Varriale:
Firefighter Eugene Kelty, Jr.:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110261.PDF
Firefighter Richard Banaciski:
Chief Frank Cruthers:
Fireman Edward Kennedy:
Fireman Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler:
Firefighter George Holzman:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110467.PDF
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110246.PDF
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110327.PDF
and:
September 18, 2003
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Q. Were you injured?
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BDK
Now you know I'm not one to defend a kook video, but they use storey in
the UK a lot.
It's still odd, just like the rest of the vid. Lots of nonsense.
But the kooks swallow it right up..
BDK
harry k
Of course! That's it. They were there to ensure that the fires did
start. Everything is now plain as day.
Harry K
GovShill
> In article <fe114t$7...@panix5.panix.com>, ady...@panix.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1191343492_1...@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, NWO <n...@global.net> wrote:
>
> > >"harry k" <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > I am very humble whan I comment on the spelling errors of other, but I
> > love the spelling error in the first 5 seconds of that video.
>
> Now you know I'm not one to defend a kook video, but they use storey in
> the UK a lot.
>
> It's still odd, just like the rest of the vid. Lots of nonsense.
Odd? Storey is the correct spelling in the English speaking world.
Seon probably spells it story, though. Kids!
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