Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118

1 view
Skip to first unread message

Peter Terpstra

unread,
May 29, 2013, 3:01:18 AM5/29/13
to
Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118
Phayul [Wednesday, May 29, 2013 08:46]

DHARAMSHALA, May 29: In reports coming just in, a Tibetan man set himself on fire in Adril region of eastern Tibet protesting
China’s occupation and hard-line policies in Tibet.

Tenzin Sherab, 31, carried out his self-immolation protest on May 27. He succumbed to his injuries at the site of his fiery
protest.

According to Jampa Younten, a monk living in south India, Tenzin Sherab’s family members and friends came to know about his
self-immolation protest only after he had passed away.

“Soon after the protest, Chinese security personnel from Chumar arrived at the site and confiscated Tenzin Sherab’s body,”
Younten said. “However, the next day, on May 28, his body was handed over to his family members.”

In the days preceding his self-immolation protest, Tenzin Sherab had spoken to his friends about the evil policies of the Chinese
government and expressed his concern about Tibetan religion and culture reaching a point of annihilation.

“We can no longer bear to live under China’s constant torture and repression,” Tenzin Sherab had told his friends.

Preparations are afoot for his cremation, the same source added.

Tenzin Sherab is the son of Dhondup and Choemey and is the eldest among five siblings.

Since 2009, as many as 118 Tibetans living under China’s rule have set themselves on fire demanding freedom and the return
of His Holiness the Dalai Lama from exile.

The Chinese government has responded with even harsher policies, criminalising the self-immolation protests and sentencing
scores of people to heavy prison terms on charges of “intentional homicide” for their alleged roles in self-immolation protests.
Chinese officials have barred Tibetans from offering prayers and showing solidarity with families of self-immolators and
announced the cancellation of development funds to those villages where self-immolations have taken place.

http://tinyurl.com/npxnuvs

lo yeeOn

unread,
May 29, 2013, 4:53:44 AM5/29/13
to
About "Tibetan religion and culture reaching a point of annihilation",
please read on.

In article <5233293.rBE5kxJUHo@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <peter.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118
>Phayul [Wednesday, May 29, 2013 08:46]
>
>DHARAMSHALA, May 29: In reports coming just in, a Tibetan man set
>himself on fire in Adril region of eastern Tibet protesting China's
>occupation and hard-line policies in Tibet.

The so-called hard-line policies in Tibet is nothing but the whines of
being closely watched by the security.

These monks who encourage or practice self-immolations are entirely
irresponsible citizens. And they need to be closely watched.

>Tenzin Sherab, 31, carried out his self-immolation protest on May
>27. He succumbed to his injuries at the site of his fiery protest.

This 31-yo was "playing with fire"! Do you remember that you accused
China of "playing with fire" concerning these self-immolations and
using the name of Neljor Terpstra?

China has not been doing that. It is Da Lama, the TGIE, the FT crowds
in London and in "Tibet Houses" elsewhere, as well as their western
sponsors, who are playing with fire by encouraging these ignorant
young men to destroy the lives their mothers worked so hard to give
them.

>According to Jampa Younten, a monk living in south India, Tenzin
>Sherab's family members and friends came to know about his
>self-immolation protest only after he had passed away.

The alleged self-immolator should have consulted with his mother
before destroying the life his mother worked so hard to give him.

>"Soon after the protest, Chinese security personnel from Chumar
>arrived at the site and confiscated Tenzin Sherab's body," Younten
>said. "However, the next day, on May 28, his body was handed over to
>his family members."

When sombody committed extreme violence to the body, the society has a
responsibility to conduct an investigation.

>In the days preceding his self-immolation protest, Tenzin Sherab had
>spoken to his friends about the evil policies of the Chinese
>government and expressed his concern about Tibetan religion and culture
>reaching a point of annihilation.

The Tibetan religion and culture is corrupt and decadent. They preach
one thing but practice another.

Heinrich Harrer ("Seven Years in Tibet" p.144) on Da Lama's royal
household:

"Their humble orgin expressed itself in an attractive simplicity,
but their bearing and domeanor were aristocratic. It was a big step
from a small peasant's house in a distant province to a dukedom in
the capital. They now owned the palace they lived in and large
properties in the country...."

And p.158, ibid:

"An English teacher had been asked by the government to start a
European type of school in Lhasa and had been offered a long
contract. AFter sid months he packed up his traps and went away.
The reactionary monks had made his task impossible."

There you see what the "culture and religion" of Tibet under the monks
were like would look like, if allowed to return!

On the nepotism and corruption of Da Lama and his theocratic society:

http://www.agreatdeception.com/news

The Dalai Lama Cables: An Instrument of US Foreign Policy

. . .

In the over fifty years since the Chinese invasion, the plight of
the Tibetans rarely leaves media attention for long. It has become
without doubt one of the most successful on-going fund-raising
campaigns ever, drawing millions and millions of dollars in
donations, merchandise and event-tickets each year.

Where has all the money gone? What has it been used for? When
Australian journalist Michael Backman tried to discover the answer
to these fundamental questions he found:

"Details of the government-in-exile's funding today are far from
clear."

"It is not clear" how donations enter its budgeting. These are
likely to run to many millions annually, but the Dalai Lama's
Department of Finance provided no explicit acknowledgment of them
or of their "sources".

Certainly, there are plenty of rumours among expatriate Tibetans of
endemic corruption and misuse of monies collected in the name of the
Dalai Lama.

In part one of this series of articles we quoted from Tashi Tsering's
autobiography, before helping Gyalo Thondup transport

the Dalai Lama's treasure from Sikkim to Calcutta, whilst back in
Lhasa before the Chinese invasion, he had worked in the treasury of
the Tibetan government. He recounted his experiences there (p63 of
the autobiography):

"I was still disillusioned and angry about what I had seen going on
in the treasury office in Lhasa. The ordinary people sent their
taxes and tribute in the form of money and goods, and both monk and
lay officials just took what they wanted. There were ledgers filled
with accounts of tea bricks, butter, cloth, gold, and silver. I saw
the records that showed that the more powerful monks, especially
those from aristocratic families and the Dalai Lama's household,
"borrowed" any of these things they wished and never returned
them. There was no overall record, no auditing. The officials and
their friends and family could come in and take anything they
fancied. I saw them doing so with my own eyes."

Tashi Tsering was offered a position in the newly formed
Tibetan-Government-in-Exile, but turned it down:

"I felt that going to work for the exiled aristocrats and monks
would have meant going to work to restore the same old system."

Could this be the answer to Michael Backman's questions? Could this
be where the money went? In his pursuit of answers, Backman,
uncovered some more inconvenient truths:

"Like many Asian politicians, the Dalai Lama has been remarkably
nepotistic, appointing members of his family to many positions of
prominence. In recent years, three of the six members of the Kashag,
or cabinet, the highest executive branch of the Tibetan
government-in-exile, have been close relatives of the Dalai Lama."

"An older brother served as chairman of the Kashag and as the
minister of security. He also headed the CIA-backed Tibetan contra
movement in the 1960s."

"A sister-in-law served as head of the government-in-exile's
planning council and its Department of Health."

"A younger sister served as health and education minister and her
husband served as head of the government-in-exile's Department of
Information and International Relations."

"Their daughter was made a member of the Tibetan parliament in
exile. A younger brother has served as a senior member of the private
office of the Dalai Lama and his wife has served as education
minister."

"The second wife of a brother-in-law serves as the representative of
the Tibetan government-in-exile for northern Europe and head of
international relations for the government-in-exile. All these
positions give the Dalai Lama's family access to millions of dollars
collected on behalf of the government-in-exile."

* See Also: Part 1 | Part 2 (below)

The Dalai Lama Cables: Follow the Money - Part 2

February 22, 2011

In part one, we showed how despite having tens of millions of
dollars worth of gold stored in banks in Calcutta, the Dalai Lama
successfully pleaded poverty to the United States government and
secured a tax-free hand out of $180,000 per annum from 1959 onwards.

. . .

Such a corrupt and hypocritical class of people have been for
generations behind the shaping of the Tibetan religion and culture.
So, what is the value of keeping it or dying for it?

>
>"We can no longer bear to live under China's constant torture and
>repression," Tenzin Sherab had told his friends.
>

These monks should get an education and see what it means to be unable
to "bear to live". Read Anne Frank's Diary or see how the Syrians
live today? What constant torture was this whiner talking about? If
he was under "China's constant torture", he would not have been free
to self-immolate, to kill himself - which might have been a better
thing for him and his mother who worked so hard to have given birth to
him and raised him!

He had so much freedom, good food and clean air, and a healthy body
and he complained about an inability to "bear to live".

rst9

unread,
May 29, 2013, 9:58:30 AM5/29/13
to
On May 29, 12:01 am, Peter Terpstra <peter.terpst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118


Hoo-ray!!! One less Tibetan for China to worry about!!!!

~

unread,
May 29, 2013, 10:03:43 AM5/29/13
to
Great for PRC the Dalai Lama lost one more supporter!!!!!!
Keep burning.......

"rst9" <rst9...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e0fbbb98-3166-434a...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com...
On May 29, 12:01m, Peter Terpstra <peter.terpst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118


Hoo-ray!!! One less Tibetan for China to worry about!!!!


--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

~

unread,
May 29, 2013, 10:13:39 AM5/29/13
to
Just talk with a Tibetan monk, his conclusion
Better to die then to follow the Dalai Lama,
that is why he left Tibet.And that is why some commit suiside.
This avoids pressure from the
Dalai Lama, now they cannot pressure him any more.


"~" <~@happy.com> wrote in message
news:ko51s8$2k60$1...@adenine.netfront.net...

The Progressive Voice

unread,
May 29, 2013, 3:06:48 PM5/29/13
to
Why are you racist against Tibetans?

AntiVirAlFungus

unread,
May 29, 2013, 3:25:54 PM5/29/13
to
On May 29, 12:06 pm, The Progressive Voice <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Why are you racist against Tibetans?

Your whole life has been NOTHING but wild guesses, wrong assumptions,
and infantile insults at people who don't share your ignorant views.
That is why you need consolation from an alien "mystic" who promises a
better life than the miserable one you are living.

Proof that you, Tom Jigme Wheat, aka "The Progressive Voice", are a
LIAR - nothing you say is of any value:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/b4c22582a068309e?hl=en

On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a011...

I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b...

making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743...
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443...
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:

"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3...

You are so dumb that you didn't even know the United States has
different time zones:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/9353ea9cd1e264ba...

When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e...

You yourself have thus proven that you are a LIAR!

Quod erat demonstrandum.

rst0

unread,
May 29, 2013, 5:22:13 PM5/29/13
to
On May 29, 12:06 pm, The Progressive Voice <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I am in no way racist toward anyone.
If Tibetans want to self-immolate, I certainly will cheer them on.
Madame Nhu said:
"Let them burn and we shall clap our hands."[39] She further offered
to provide more fuel and matches for the Buddhists, noting his
"barbecuing" was not "self-sufficient" because "imported gasoline" was
used.

And stop picking your nose, Tom Wheat.

lo yeeOn

unread,
May 29, 2013, 6:45:50 PM5/29/13
to
About "Tibetan religion and culture reaching a point of annihilation",
please read on.

In article <5233293.rBE5kxJUHo@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <peter.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Breaking: Tibet burns with another self-immolation, Toll reaches 118
>Phayul [Wednesday, May 29, 2013 08:46]
>
>DHARAMSHALA, May 29: In reports coming just in, a Tibetan man set
>himself on fire in Adril region of eastern Tibet protesting China's
>occupation and hard-line policies in Tibet.

The so-called hard-line policies in Tibet are nothing but the whines
of monks no longer able to operate in secret. Their "oppression" is
just that they are being monitored.

These monks who encourage or practice self-immolations are entirely
irresponsible citizens. And they need to be closely watched.

>Tenzin Sherab, 31, carried out his self-immolation protest on May
>27. He succumbed to his injuries at the site of his fiery protest.

This 31-yo was "playing with fire"! Do you remember that you accused
China of "playing with fire" concerning these self-immolations and
using the name of Neljor Terpstra?

China has not been doing that. It is Da Lama, the TGIE, the FT crowds
in London and in "Tibet Houses" elsewhere, as well as their western
sponsors, who are playing with fire by encouraging these ignorant
young men to destroy the lives their mothers worked so hard to give
them.

>According to Jampa Younten, a monk living in south India, Tenzin
>Sherab's family members and friends came to know about his
>self-immolation protest only after he had passed away.

The alleged self-immolator should have consulted with his mother
before destroying the life his mother worked so hard to give him.

>"Soon after the protest, Chinese security personnel from Chumar
>arrived at the site and confiscated Tenzin Sherab's body," Younten
>said. "However, the next day, on May 28, his body was handed over to
>his family members."

When sombody committed extreme violence to the body, the society has a
responsibility to conduct an investigation.

>In the days preceding his self-immolation protest, Tenzin Sherab had
>spoken to his friends about the evil policies of the Chinese
>government and expressed his concern about Tibetan religion and culture
>reaching a point of annihilation.

The Tibetan religion and culture is corrupt and decadent. They preach
one thing but practice another.

Heinrich Harrer ("Seven Years in Tibet" p.144) on Da Lama's royal
household:

"Their humble orgin expressed itself in an attractive simplicity,
but their bearing and domeanor were aristocratic. It was a big step
from a small peasant's house in a distant province to a dukedom in
the capital. They now owned the palace they lived in and large
properties in the country...."

And p.158, ibid:

"An English teacher had been asked by the government to start a
European type of school in Lhasa and had been offered a long
contract. After six months he packed up his traps and went away.
>"We can no longer bear to live under China's constant torture and
>repression," Tenzin Sherab had told his friends.
>

These monks should get an education and see what it means to be unable
to "bear to live". Read Anne Frank's Diary or see how the Syrians
live today? What constant torture was this whiner talking about? If
he was under "China's constant torture", he would not have been free
to self-immolate, to kill himself - which might have been a better
thing for him and his mother who worked so hard to have given birth to
him and raised him!

He had so much freedom, good food and clean air, and a healthy body
and he complained about an inability to "bear to live".

new 101101011101001010100010100111001010

unread,
Jun 19, 2013, 5:35:07 AM6/19/13
to
N P T S

"The Progressive Voice" wrote in message
news:9f1dc754-f48d-4d5b...@d8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com...

new 101101011101001010100010100111001010

unread,
Jun 19, 2013, 5:36:21 AM6/19/13
to
PA

"The Progressive Voice" wrote in message
news:9f1dc754-f48d-4d5b...@d8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com...

Satish

unread,
Jun 19, 2013, 8:21:17 AM6/19/13
to
Yale Guen Mar, you are ashamed of your jaundiced skin. You are a self-
loathing person with absolutely no self-esteem. Yuhua Luo has herself
pointed that out in the newsgroup.

On May 31, 8:28 pm, "Yuhua Luo" <verinvanv...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7b1f9de55e2e2d9c
>
> rst9 or rst0,
>
> 1. Is this your house - lives on 3851 Twilight Avenue in Merced, California?
>
> 2. Are you the Yale Guen Mar (born 1st February, 1938 in mainland China) who
> lives on 3851 Twilight Avenue in Merced, California.
>
> 3. Why is it that you said you are a Chinese who lives in this house in the
> address as shown here, but it had said here that the ethnicity of the
> residing occupants in the house are Caucasians - 2 males and 2 females, aged
> between 37 - 75 years old living in this 3,286 sq.ft. house that built in
> 2005..
>
> http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/browse/Twilight+Ave,+Merced+CA+95348?addr_num=3851&match=1&sas6=t30#818842521
>
> 4. Are these pictures below as shown here are the external views of your
> house?
>
> http://www.spokeo.com/reverse-address-search/browse/Twilight+Ave,+Merced+CA+95348?addr_num=3851&match=1&sas6=t30#818842521
>
> http://www.realtytrac.com/property/ca/merced/95348/3851-twilight-ave/map/12811354http://www.realtytrac.com/property/ca/merced/95348/3851-twilight-ave/map/12811354
>
> http://www.homesnap.com/CA/Merced/3851-Twilight-Avenue
>
> http://www.realtytrac.com/property/ca/merced/95348/3851-twilight-ave/12811354
>
> http://www.homes.com/Home-Prices/ID-100009949395/3851-TWILIGHT-AVE/
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3851-Twilight-Ave-Merced-CA-95348/68996743_zpid/
>
> http://www.trulia.com/homes/California/Merced/sold/506611-3851-Twilight-Ave-Merced-CA-95348
>
> http://www.propertymaps.com/property/mls/usa/california/merced/merced/95348/148/MIC44684
>

Yuhua Luo, you make a very valid point.

The website lists the residents as:

Yale Guen Mar - Male, 75
May Mar - Female, 62
Brenton Mar - Male, 37
Yuhua Luo - Female, 58

They are all persons of color.

If the website lists the racial group of the occupants of 3851
Twilight Avenue in Merced, CA as Caucasians, it is only because Yale
Guen Mar (rst0/2/7/9) so reported it during the census.

Now why did Yale Guen Mar misreport his racial group? It is because he
is a self-loathing idiot whose jaundiced brain has caused him to
despise his jaundiced skin. He is ashamed that he is a man of color.
That is why he reported in his census form that he is lily white.

Here's photo of rst0/2/7/9 from his younger days that he has posted on
the internet for seeking girlfriends thru dating services:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3928/chineseman.gif ;

An US citizen as he is, rst0/7/9's heart was always with the CCP
dictatorship in Beijing - you can see the hammer and sickle in gold
that he is proudly displaying on his collar.


Here is an rst0/7/9 photo album from his happier days - It shows an ex
"girl" friend (a transgender character) along with his/her step
grandchildren:

https://picasaweb.google.com/112462267608865651931/ScrapbookPhotos#

Here is an rst0/7/9 photo album from his current lonely days. It shows
his live-in-nurse-cum-maid, Meichi Thai. In his decrepit state, 75-
year old rst0/7/9 spends considerable time fantasizing on sex while
looking at the album:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156901@N00/

Yale Guen Mar, you have been worshipping the wrong mountain, namely,
the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) dictatorship in Beijing.

The bandit regime in Beijing is verily a false God, rst0/2/7/9.

As a US citizen for at least 64 years, it is best if you worship the
majestic Rocky Mountains.

Bur if you must worship a mountain in mainland China, please shift
your loyalty to a truly sacred mountain. Please start worshipping the
East Great Mountain:

East Great Mountain (Dōngyuè): Tài Shān

Chinese: 泰山; "Tranquil Mountain", Shāndōng Province, 1,545 m, 36°15′N
117°06′E
0 new messages