" Eric free" languages
Adam Tissa
>Erik Naggum <er...@naggum.net> wrote:
>
>> Does it help to post idiotic "you other guys please use
>> mail while I continue posting" posts? No. Should they learn from this
>> and avoid doing it in the future? Yes. Has Rolf Mach done the same
>> idiotic things before? Yes. Has he learned from it? No. Does he think
>> that there is always something wrong with people who do not follow his
>> rules? Yes. Is any of this an instance of _politeness_? No, most
>> certainly not.
>
>Does it help to post idiotically rude posts ? No.
>Should they learn from this and avoid doing it in the future? Yes.
>Has Eric Naggum done the same idiotically rude things before? Yes.
>Has he learned from it? No. Does he think that there is always
>something wrong with people who do not follow his rules? Yes. Is
>any of this an instance of _politeness_? No, most certainly not.
??
What is the point in provoking Eric ?
All you will do is subject yourself ( and this group ) to another of
his endless tirades.
Either killfile him ( like some did ) or leave the group ( like many
others did ). There are several " Eric free" languages around. Scheme,
OCaml and Mozart are one of many choices.
Leave Eric to record ( and expedite ) the last death throes of Lisp.
Adam Tissa
>All you will do is subject yourself ( and this group ) to another of
>his endless tirades.
>
>Either killfile him ( like some did ) or leave the group ( like many
>others did ). There are several " Eric free" languages around. Scheme,
>OCaml and Mozart are one of many choices.
>
>Leave Eric to record ( and expedite ) the last death throes of Lisp.
BTW, does anyone know who Eric's current employer is ?
I would like to email them a sample of the abuse that he posts here.
Adam Tissa
>All you will do is subject yourself ( and this group ) to another of
>his endless tirades.
>
>Either killfile him ( like some did ) or leave the group ( like many
>others did ). There are several " Eric free" languages around. Scheme,
>OCaml and Mozart are one of many choices.
>
>Leave Eric to record ( and expedite ) the last death throes of Lisp.
Adam Tissa
>I would like to email them a sample of the abuse that he posts here.
He calls himself Naggum Software.
What we need is the names of his major clients.
S Campion
I vaguely remember that he claimed to be working for a newspaper
publisher in Norway.
I think that they would be very, very interested to read some of Mr
Naggum's pathologically abusive statements about individuals and
companies.
I have seen posts by him abusing Franz Lisp and Xanalys.
Erik Naggum
| BTW, does anyone know who Eric's current employer is ?
| I would like to email them a sample of the abuse that he posts here.
Why do you take part in such obvious hate campaigns? Are you such an
easy mark that you do not even recognize that you have been had? Do not
feed the trolls. Watch the newsgroups header to see that "S Campion" is
violating a large number of newsgroups with his attacks, and so are you.
Followups are set to comp.lang.lisp, only, where we are more used to your
kind than the innocent newsgroups to which this was cross-posted.
I do not post in the name of any employers. However, please let me know
who yours is, so I can show your employer (1) that you consider it your
employer's business what you do on the Net, and (2) what you do on the
Net. This would be fair, would it not? So be careful what you wish for.
What would your employer do with you if he got a complaint from someone?
Would he not ask what your role is? A crank who just calls to complain
about other people who has done nothing to that person is dismissed out
of hand. You have attacked me, so I have a case against you, but you
have no case against me at all. You see, in my culture, the employer
does not own his employees and has no say over what they do as long as
they do not represent the employer in any way. In your culture, I must
assume that the employer has the power to require obedience to standards
of conduct even off duty, lest they be fired. I must also assume that
you consider it just punishment for not having attacked you in any way
that somebody get into trouble with such an owner of their life. I
regret to inform you that my culture is not like this at all -- in my
culture, an accusation like you want to make is much more likely to be
considered good evidence of _your_ behavioral problems.
Now, I have never said anything harsh or critical or even unwelcome to
you, in fact, I have never even _seen_ your name until now. Yet you find
it the most prudent approach to attack me out of the blue, piggybacking
off another very hostile attack out of the blue. You choose to post not
one, but _four_ very hostile messages, and more are undoubtedly coming.
Despite the lack of personal involvement, you feel such personal anger
that you have set aside all ethical concerns, if any, and let it rage
uncontrollably. This is very interesting. You see, normally, people get
into heated exchanges over a particular topic they care very much about
-- emotion is a result of passion _for_ something, and they may start
small and escalate, but they never start off with an all-out flame like
yours with a passion _against_ someone. You see, normally, exchanges
vary in temperature but stay pretty focused on the topic at hand, but
yours is an unfettered hostility that has no constructive purpose or
contents at all. What, precisely, is it that you think I do wrong that
you do not do much worse yourself and consider perfectly OK? I mean, I
never ask for anyone's employer -- if they flaunt it in a 23-line
signature, say, or they explicitly speak for their company, sure, I
implicate the employer, but otherwise not. This is pretty basic.
But who is this "Adam Tissa"? I have _no_ idea and I have no desire to
learn to know ths person, but I know something about him: He is a person
who attacks people who have _not_ provoked him in any way and he does not
even defend anyone or even anything he cares about, he is a person who
wants only _other_ people to behave better while _he_ shall be free to
hurt people as he pleases, and on top of this he is a person cannot
control his anger. I already know more than I ever wanted to know about
Adam Tissa. However, this is a fairly classical "enraged bystander", one
who actually thinks he can remain a bystander while he hurls attacks at
other people. Adam, news is not a sitcom and your comments are not idle
comments that you hurl at your TV. You are _part_ of the problem, now.
Please realize this and temper yourself.
Finally, if you would like others to behave well, start with yourself.
If you have a technical point relevant to comp.lang.lisp, just make it.
If you are a troll, be prepared to be hated everywhere you go. If you
cannot behave and have nothing to say, please do it privately.
My apologies to the irrelevant newsgroups to which S Campion and Adam
Tissa made it relevant for me to post a rebuttal. Follows have been
directed to comp.lang.lisp.
///
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In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.
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You could always follow your own advice:
> Either killfile him ( like some did ) or leave the group ( like many
> others did ). There are several "Eric free" languages around. Scheme,
> OCaml and Mozart are one of many choices.
If you think Eric is provocative you should take a good look
at yourself.
Eric has a special style, and if can't cope that is your problem.
--
Thomas.
Approaching singularity.
Thomas Bushnell, BSG
> Eric has a special style, and if can't cope that is your problem.
What about Erik's (note the spelling, please) inability to cope with
many other styles?
Gareth McCaughan
> S Campion <vaguely_r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Well, well, well. Fascinating.
1. From "S Campion"'s article headers:
| From: S Campion <vaguely_r...@hotmail.com>
| NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.49.79.94
2. From "Adam Tissa"'s article headers:
| From: Adam Tissa <verb_preced...@yahoo.com>
| NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.49.79.94
I notice in Adam S Campion-Tissa's list of newsgroups
a bunch of Christian ones. Perhaps Mr S. Adam Tissa-Campion
considers themselves a Christian. I'll remind him of
Luke 12:2-3, and Mark 5:9. Oh, and maybe Matthew 7:1-2.
Followups directed to alt.flame, as they deserve.
--
Gareth McCaughan Gareth.M...@pobox.com
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Wayne Johnson
The Democrats have kept African Americans shackled to poverty by keeping
African Americans shackled to poverty programs.
Race and Racism seems to be the hardest thing to talk about in this country.
And it is not ironic that all we ever do is talk about it. Does anyone
truly disagree that the best way to put an end to an idea is to assign it to
a committee? And the Clintons established a national dialogue on race. Big
deal.
Since the dawn of the modern Civil Rights movement, the one that began with
television, we have witnessed the greatest political slight of hand that has
ever been perpetrated against a race of people. Adolph Hitler was up front
about his activities. The Soviet Union lied through their propaganda
machines and did what they wanted to do anyway. But the Democrats have
established a house of smoke and mirrors.
When the war on poverty began, the Republicans called for workfare programs.
Programs that would keep Blacks participating in the economy. The Democrats
redefined that as an attack on entitlements, an attack on civil rights, and
got middle of the road white people to join the liberals in marginalizing
the Black community.
It is not sufficient to say that a Republican, Abe Lincoln, freed the
slaves. Nor is it sufficient to point out that the Army had to be called
upon to protect federal marshals escorting four Black children to school in
a system run by a party whose Governor declared his commitment to injustice.
We have to look at what has been done to impede the efforts of Blacks in
their attempt at full enfranchisement.
The Problems
Busing: Every morning, Democrats bus Black children into White schools.
Every afternoon, Democrats bus Black children back into Black neighborhoods.
Housing: Fair housing was ignored in favor of public housing. And public
housing always meant ghetto housing. With welfare instead of workfare,
high-rise public housing, and busing, the Democrats have kept African
Americans apart from the rest of America. (And suburban housing plans have
always been high density housing. Which, as always, is a course to
stigmatize not to help African Americans.)
Education: The Democrats have made education a matter of empowerment and
dignity, self-esteem building, and cultural pride. In short, rather than
spend money on the education of Black children, they have diverted it
everywhere else. Your child may be proud he can read a book. But, have you
ever heard of a child being able to read a book because he is proud of who
he is? For years Black children were tracked into low expectation classes.
Whites were tracked into gifted and able programs. Then, one day, someone
discovered that Black children in classes for troublesome children were
there because they were actually gifted children and they were disruptive
because they were bored. What happened? Rather than move the Black
children into the classes for gifted children where they belonged, liberals
declared tracking and classes for gifted children to be elitist. So, gifted
Black children were, again, cheated. Only now do the headlines read:
Reverend Jesse Jackson Sends Ministers to Wall Street. Which lead us to...
Investment: Economic self-determinationism has been replaced with
propaganda and socialism. Distressed areas are not slated for development.
They are defined, again, as empowerment and dignity zones, and non-profit,
social service agencies are located there. This to give jobs to unemployed
Blacks. Non-profit means Black people don't make any money. Social service
means help dealing with the conditions as they are. Not (as Bobby Kennedy's
words promised) as they could be. Or should be.
The Solutions
The best focus is to generate "investments for profit" in the Black
Community. This can be defined as any place (remember the internet) where
one, two, or more African Americans, individually or with others, work at an
activity to generate income and or profit for themselves and for others. It
may include but is not limited to the inner cities.
Investment in the Black Community (for a profit) will result in Black
ownership. It is the profits from these businesses that will help these
businesses grow. But we must think beyond small businesses to large
businesses and to corporations. And we must include the internet.
To some, open housing means affordable housing. To others it means helping
Black people afford houses. To Democrats it seems to mean building ghetto
housing that Blacks can afford. With subsidized interest rates, instead of
subsidized housing, Blacks who are now in low and moderate income families
could afford one-family homes. Their children could walk to integrated
schools, and the quality of life will improve. There will no longer be a
need to bus a Black child into a school if he or she lives close enough to
walk. This solves the busing, the housing, and the education issue.
What's the catch?
When African Americans own their own businesses, or own a stake in corporate
America when African Americans make profits and expand their financial and
economic power, they will invest their profits, they will buy things, they
will own things. The most important being the ownership of their own means
of economic well being. Once that happens, Black people will no longer vote
for the Democrats who want to tax it away from them. Without busing,
housing, and education as an "issue" the Democrats will find their
"plantation mentality" a relic of their political history. The Democrats
will no longer get a free ride from the African American community.
"Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <tb+u...@becket.net> wrote in message
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Julian Stecklina
> Racism
>
>
>
> The Democrats have kept African Americans shackled to poverty by keeping
> African Americans shackled to poverty programs.
>
> Race and Racism seems to be the hardest thing to talk about in this country.
[...]
Didn't know these are US-only newsgroups... sorry for posting here.
Regards,
Julian
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Wayne Johnson
wrote:
>"Wayne Johnson" <fla...@hers.com> writes:
This is a forgery, from some nut-case racist.
Wayne "Pay no attention to it" Johnson
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