members of a huge spy ring. The story was attributed to a French group
called Intelligence Online, a fancy business and politics operation that
subscribers pay at least $720 a year to use (much more for the full
business
package). I tend to think it is accurate since it names the Israelis
picked
up: Yaniv Gilor in San Diego, Legum Yochai in Miami, Michael Calmonovic
in
Irving, Texas, etc.
::
US BREAKS ISRAELI SPY RING
[Agence France-Press - AFP - Paris, 4/4/2002]: US authorities have
broken a
network of Israeli spies living in the United States who were trying to
burrow into the justice and defence departments, a French website
specialising in intelligence matters reported on Monday.
The site, Intelligence Online, said it had exclusive access to a US
justice
department report that showed that "a huge Israeli spy ring operating in
the
United States was rolled up by the Justice Department's
counter-espionage
service".
Around 120 Israelis were arrested or deported as a result of the
operation,
which it said had been kept top-secret up to now. The website said the
ring
was active in the states of Arkansas,
California, Florida and Texas. It was arranged in around 20 cells of
between
four and eight members, who were aged between 22 and 30 and had recently
completed Israeli military service in an intelligence division.
It named several Israelis alleged to be espionage operatives, including
three
13 Israeli "art students" it said were arrested in the Texan city of
Irving
on March 26 and 27 last year.
Intelligence Online editor-in-chief Guillaume Dasquie told AFP that the
network had been trying "to penetrate justice department and defence
department systems" through drug-fighting agencies such as the Drug
Enforcement Administration (DEA), which has access to files from other
US
departments.
> An AgenceFrance Press story says that the US just rounded up 120 Israeli
>
> members of a huge spy ring. The story was attributed to a French group
> called Intelligence Online, a fancy business and politics operation that
>
> subscribers pay at least $720 a year to use (much more for the full
> business
> package). I tend to think it is accurate since it names the Israelis
> picked
> up: Yaniv Gilor in San Diego, Legum Yochai in Miami, Michael Calmonovic
Perhaps, then, Roger dearest,
you coudl tell us when "Legum" joined
the Israeli baby books, since it is not a Hebrew name.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=105001730
And George Wasserstein writes:
We've had about a dozen of these "spies" show up at our doorstep
here in the suburbs of Toronto over the past couple of years as they
have tried to sell their canvases in our neighborhood to pay for their
tuition, supplies, etc. I'm glad we never bought anything from them. If
I am to believe our friends in the press, the canvasses probably
contained bugging devices. All my state secrets might have been
exposed!
--
Omri Schwarz --- ocs...@mit.edu ('h' before war)
Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering: "Noise is principally
due to the presence of the patient." -- R.F. Farr
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAQS1FAGYC.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - Authorities have arrested and deported dozens of young
Israelis since early last year who represented themselves as art students in
efforts to gain access to sensitive federal office buildings and the homes
of government employees, U.S. officials said.
A draft report from the Drug Enforcement Administration - which first
characterized the activities as suspicious - said the youths' actions "may
well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity."
Immigration officials deported them for visa violations; no criminal
espionage charges were filed.
The arrests, made in an unspecified number of major U.S. cities from
California to Florida, came amid public warnings from U.S. intelligence
agencies about suspicious behavior by people posing as Israeli art students
and "attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings."
The Israelis were arrested and deported on charges of working in the United
States without authorization or overstaying visits on tourist visas, said
Russ Bergeron, a spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service in
Washington. He described dozens of arrests since early 2001 but gave no
exact figures.
The DEA report said a majority of the students questioned by U.S.
investigators acknowledged having served in military intelligence,
electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance units in the Israeli
military. The DEA said one person questioned was the son of a two-star
Israeli general, one had served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli
Army and another served in a Patriot missile unit.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Yaffa Ben-Ari said it was "nonsense"
that the students were spying on the United States.
Another Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Irit Stopper, confirmed that a few
Israelis posing as art students were expelled from the United States for
working without permits. However they were not accused of espionage, she
said. She did not say how many Israelis were expelled and did not give any
additional details.
The DEA report was first obtained by a French Web site that specializes in
intelligence news, Intelligenceonline.com, and confirmed Tuesday as
authentic by DEA spokeswoman Rogene Waite in Washington. The Web site said
120 Israelis had been arrested.
"That these people are now traveling in the U.S. selling art seems not to
fit their background," the report said.
An FBI official, speaking on condition of anonymity, noted there were no
espionage charges filed against any of the individuals and that they had
been deported. Asked whether any spying activity occurred, the official
repeated that no charges had been filed.
A Justice Department official, also asking not to be publicly identified,
said investigators have been aware of some "alleged linkage" between the
students and alleged espionage activities in the United States since early
2001, and said authorities have made arrests in Dallas, Chicago, San Diego
and in south Florida. INS spokesman Rodney Germain in Miami said five or six
people were arrested in that area at least six months ago on immigration
counts.
Although security experts at the DEA first characterized the youths'
behavior as suspicious, and INS authorities later arrested them, the FBI
typically investigates espionage cases in the United States.
The DEA report said that among U.S. sites apparently targeted was Tinker Air
Force Base in Oklahoma City, home to the military's AWACS surveillance
planes and the place where many of the nation's B-1 bombers are repaired.
Investigators also said that one female art student went to the home of a
worker for the Environmental Protection Agency in Denver to sell paintings
and returned later to photograph the house, according to the report.
No one within the Justice Department has expressed concerns about the
Israeli students possibly committing espionage, Justice spokesman Bryan
Sierra said. The deputy U.S. attorney general, Larry Thompson, declined to
discuss the arrests when asked about them during a news conference Tuesday.
The U.S. Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, a federal
agency, circulated a public warning in March 2001 urging employees to report
contact with people describing themselves as Israeli art students.
"These individuals have been described as aggressive," the warning said.
"They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales
pitch."
Cooperation with Israel, a longtime key ally, is increasingly important in
the U.S. war on terrorism.
BTW, how is the Queen of Hearts now? I know Alice in Wonderland is your
recreational reading favorite. Norma
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I think you overlooked these:
-"*posing* as art students"
-"efforts to gain access to sensitive federal office buildings and the homes
of gov't employees"
-"visa violations"
-"among U.S. sites apparently targeted was Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma
City, home to the military's AWACS surveillance planes and the place where
many of the nation's B-1 bombers are repaired. Investigators also said that
one female art student went to the home of a worker for the Environmental
Protection Agency in Denver to sell paintings and returned later to
photograph the house, according to the report."
-"These individuals have been described as aggressive"
"Agressive" art students?
A "Hebrew" name? What abot Adolf Sharon is that hebrew enough?
Non-agressive sales people?
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In this case, the truth is free.
>
>
Why do you insist on overlooking the "efforts to gain access to sensitive
office buildings and the homes of gov't employees"?
not to mention taking photographs of gov't employee homes and other BIZARRE
behavior.
> The spokesman however recalled that a group of Israeli students
>"allegedly were involved in activity outside of their visas and they
>were removed from the US based on that fact."
ROFL. A half-dozen Israelis get deported for working while in the USA on a
tourist visa and the French think it a major espionage case. No wonder they
surrendered to the Nazis. They must have thought they were being invaded by 50
foot tall armor plated robot killing machines.
LOL
What are they putting in the wine over there? LSD?
> But he made it clear that "no Israeli individual has been
>involved in espionage with regard to this matter."
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IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL anti-Gentile laws, the Halakhah has special laws
against Gentiles who live in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisra'el) or, in some
cases, merely pass through it. These laws are designed to promote Jewish
supremacy in that country.
The exact geographical definition of the term 'Land of Israel' is much
disputed in the Talmud and the talmudic literature, and the debate has
continued in modern times between the various shades of zionist opinion.
According to the maximalist view, the Land of Israel includes (in addition
to Palestine itself) not only the whole of Sinai, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon,
but also considerable parts of Turkey.51 The more prevalent 'minimalist'
interpretation puts the northern border 'only' about half way through Syria
and Lebanon, at the latitude of Homs. This view was supported by Ben~Gurion.
However, even those who thus exclude parts of Syria-Lebanon agree that
certain special discriminatory laws (though less oppressive than in the Land
of Israel proper) apply to the Gentiles of those parts, because that
territory was included in David's kingdom. In all talmudic interpretations
the Land of Israel includes Cyprus.
I shall now list a few of the special laws concerning Gentiles in the
Land of Israel. Their connection with actual zionist practice will be quite
apparent.
The Halakhah forbids Jews to sell immovable property - fields and
houses - in the Land of Israel to Gentiles. In Syria, the sale of houses
(but not of fields) is permitted.
Leasing a house in the Land of Israel to a Gentile is permitted under two
conditions. First, that the house shall not be used for habitation but for
other purposes, such as storage. Second, that three or more adjoining houses
shall not be so leased.
These and several other rules are explained as follows: ... 'so that you
shall not allow them to camp on the ground, for if they do not possess land,
their sojourn there will be temporary.'52 Even temporary Gentile presence
may only be tolerated 'when the Jews are in exile, or when the Gentiles are
more powerful than the Jews,' but when the Jews are more powerful than the
Gentiles we are forbidden to let an idolator among us; even a temporary
resident or itinerant trader shall not be allowed to pass through our land
unless he accepts the seven Noahide precepts,53 for it is written: 'they
shall not dwell in thy land'54 that is, not even temporarily. If he accepts
the seven Noahide precepts, he becomes a resident alien (ger toshav) but it
is forbidden to grant the status of resident alien except at times when the
Jubilee is held [that is, when the Temple stands and sacrifices are
offered]. However, during times when Jubilees are not held it is forbidden
to accept anyone who is not a full convert to Judaism (ger tzedeq).55
It is therefore clear that - exactly as the leaders and sympathizers of
Gush Emunim say - the whole question to how the Palestinians ought to be
treated is, according to the Halal,;hah, simply a question of Jewish power:
if Jews have sufficient power, then it is their religious duty to expel the
Palestinians.
All these laws are often quoted by Israeli rabbis and their zealous
followers. For example, the law forbidding the lease of three adjoining
houses to Gentiles was solemnly quoted by a rabbinical conference held in
1979 to discuss the Camp David treaties. The conference also declared that
according to the Halakhah even the 'autonomy' that Begin was ready to offer
to the Palestinians is too liberal. Such pronouncements - which do in fact
state correctly the position of the Halakhah - are rarely contested by the
Zionist 'left'.
In addition to laws such as those mentioned so far, which are directed at
all Gentiles in the Land of Israel, an even greater evil influence arises
from special laws against the ancient Canaanites and other nations who lived
in Palestine before its conquest by Joshua, as well as against the
Amalekites. All those nations must be utterly exterminated, and the Talmud
and talmudic literature reiterate the genocidal biblical exhortations with
even greater vehemence. Influential rabbis, who have a considerable
following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even
all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like 'thou shalt
save alive nothing that breatheth'56 acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it
is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the
Gaza Strip to be given an 'educational lecture' in which they are told that
the Palestinians of Gaza are 'like the Amalekites'. Biblical verses
exhorting to genocide of the Midianite57 were solemnly quoted by an
important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre,58 and this
pronouncement has gained wide circulation in the Israeli army. There are
many similar examples of bloodthirsty rabbinical pronouncements against the
Palestinians, based on these laws.
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and then they go out of their way to take photograph's of Gov't Employee
homes? C'mon, give me a break.
> WASHINGTON, March 5 (AFP) - The Federal Bureau of Investigation
> said Tuesday that no Israeli had been charged with spying in the
> United States in connection with a probe of a ring of Israeli
> agents.
a familiar circle of obsessive--compulsive liars Forger Alexander and
France Presse which is staffed by arabs in ME and Bullshit Online
intelligence insult
That's what the papers said, moron. Prove them wrong dickhead.
Yeh Right.... Whatever you say Groupenfeurer.... Just like they are to
Polard?
Got a bridge to sell you if you think we are gulable to believe that.
NAME THE NAMES ROGER
NAME THE CASE ROGER
EVIDENCE NOT JUST YOUR OR YOUR NAZI FRENCHPRESS LIES.
MattA
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No, they didn't say "it" was "bullshit". Read the papers again. What
they said was that these people were not arrested for spying but were caught
trying gain access to government buildings, take pictures of the homes of
Gov't employees and were "aggressive". Not exactly the portrait of an art
student. And if nothing else, they violated the terms of their Visas.
Bottom line - they're gone. If they kept their noses clean, they'd still be
here.
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> I don't lie. Dasquie is a respected French reporter on such subjects.
> He repeated his claim that 120 Israelis had been arrested and
> deported. Their activitiies lok mighty like spying, and all had been
> associated
> with Israeli intelligence. that they weren't charged is consistent
> with the lenient treatment that Israeli spies get.
Q. What makes Forger Alexander an exceptional asshole?
A. He's a moron.
all spy cases tend to be obscured by governments because ALL
governments practice espionage which's governed by the obscure code of
conduct
if the case makes it to the pubic the outcry and headclamoring follow
and charges are made
Forger Alexander IS a clinical compulsive liar
You're foolish if you think that's what they were noticed in the first
place.
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I've read the excerpts from this report, and I do not recall anything
indicating it was the visa violations that *first* put this group under
suspicion. Rather, they had been under surveilance for a series of bizarre
incidents not associated with pursuing legitimate "art" interests.
get a grip on it !
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As a guest in my country, the onus to do so is clearly on them.
absolutely.
Kinda tends to raise a few eyebrows, and I don't think that's so difficult
imagine, especially after 9/11, especially considering 9/11 has to do with
middle eastern terrorism, especially since the Jews are related to the
entire issue of middle eastern relations with Israel and unfortunately by
connection, the US.
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I'm talking about Israeli citizens in the US, not American citizens, you
dolt!
ir
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That's a red herring. Sorry.
In English, we call you "Zionist".
I'd say it's in a wine (and a very cheap one, at that) sauce. Probably Jug
"Burgundy" wine.
Yes.
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