Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
And the Middle-East includes Israel;Tribalism and Judaic fundamentalism are a bad mix which also leave Americans sick and tired of the Middle-East
4 views
Skip to first unread message
HHW
Mar 8, 2012, 1:23:17 PM3/8/12
to
Sick and tired of the Middle East
Comments
0Share0
Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services
March 8, 2012
Americans -- left, right, Democrats and Republicans -- are all sick of
thankless nation-building in the Middle East. Yet democratization was
not our first choice, but rather a last resort after prior failures.
The United States had long ago supplied Afghan insurgents, who
expelled the Soviets after a decade of fighting. Then we left. The
country descended into even worse medievalism under the Taliban. So
after removing the Taliban, who had hosted the perpetrators of 9/11,
we promised in 2001 to stay on.
Victor Davis Hanson
Bio | E-mail | Recent columns
Ads by Google
McMahan Scandal Bombshell
Ex-Wife's "Pay or Die" Note: It Was Extortion All Along
thedailycannibal.com
Save Energy Heating Water
Remove water heater limescale the eco-friendly way. 10yr warranty
www.AquaGenesisUSA.com
We won the first Gulf War in 1991. Then most of our forces left the
region. The result was the mass murder of the Iraqi Kurds and Shiites,
12 years of no-fly zones, and a failed oil-for-food embargo of
Saddam's Iraq. So after removing Saddam in 2003, we tried to leave
behind something better.
In the last 10 years the United States has spent more than $1 trillion
and has lost thousands of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both
places seem far better off than when ruled by the Taliban and Saddam
Hussein -- at least for a while longer.
Yet the Iraqis now bear Americans little good will. They seem
friendlier to Iran and Syria than to their liberators. In Afghanistan,
riots continue over mistaken burning of some defaced Korans, despite
serial American apologies.
How about the choice of bombing the bad guys and then just staying
clear? We just did that to the terrorist-friendly Gadhafi dictatorship
in Libya. But now that Gadhafi is gone, there is chaos. Islamic gangs
torture and execute black Africans who supported the deposed regime,
according to press reports. British World War II cemeteries that were
honored during 70 years of Libyan kings and dictators could not
survive six months of a "free" Libya. In Benghazi, gangs just
ransacked and defaced the monuments of the British war dead.
Not having boots on the ground may ensure that endless chaos will
consume the hope of a calm post-Gadhafi Libya. That was also true of
Somalia and Lebanon after American troops were attacked and abruptly
left.
How about another option of aid and words of encouragement only? We
have urged Egyptian reform, under both George W. Bush and now Barack
Obama. When protestors forced the removal of dictator Hosni Mubarak,
the United States approved. It even appears likely that we will keep
sending Egypt significant annual subsidies of more than $1.5 billion
-- as we have for more than 30 years. Yet anti-American Islamists are
now the dominant force in Egyptian politics. American aid workers were
recently arrested and threatened with trial by new Egyptian reformers.
Still another American choice would be not to nation-build, bomb, or
even get near a Middle Eastern country -- as is the case with Iran and
Syria. The United States has not had diplomatic relations with Iran
since the Shah left in 1979. Until the Obama administration
desperately tried to re-establish contacts with the Bashar al-Assad
regime in Syria by appointing a new ambassador, there had been nearly
six years of estrangement.
Yet Iran is nearing its goal of obtaining a nuclear weapon both to
threaten Israel and to bully other oil-exporting regimes of the
Persian Gulf. The Syrian government is now butchering thousands of its
own citizens with impunity.
A final option would be to return to the old policy of re-establishing
friendly relationships with Middle East dictatorships regardless of
their internal politics -- and then keeping mum about their excesses.
We did that with Pakistan, which has both received billions in U.S.
aid and produced a nuclear bomb. Yet it is hard to imagine a more anti-
American country than nuclear Pakistan, without which the Taliban
could not kill Americans so easily in Afghanistan.
The United States once saved the Kuwaiti regime after it was swallowed
up by Saddam Hussein. We have enjoyed strong ties with the Saudi
monarchy as well. Neither country seems especially friendly to the
U.S. It is still a crime to publicly practice Christianity in Saudi
Arabia. Fifteen of the 19 mass-murdering hijackers of 9/11 were
Saudis. Oil in the Middle East costs less than $5 a barrel to produce;
it now sells for over $100, largely due to the policies of our allies
and OPEC members.
Let us review the various American policy options for the Middle East
over the last few decades. Military assistance or punitive
intervention without follow-up mostly failed. The verdict on far more
costly nation-building is still out. Trying to help popular insurgents
topple unpopular dictators does not guarantee anything better.
Propping up dictators with military aid is both odious and
counterproductive. Keeping clear of maniacal regimes leads to either
nuclear acquisition or genocide -- or 16 acres of rubble in Manhattan.
What have we learned? Tribalism, oil and Islamic fundamentalism are a
bad mix that leave Americans sick and tired of the Middle East -- both
when they get in it and when they try to stay out of it.
(Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover
Institution, Stanford University, and the author of the just-released
"The End of Sparta." You can reach him by e-mailing
aut...@victorhanson.com.)
Comments
0Share0
Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services
March 8, 2012
Americans -- left, right, Democrats and Republicans -- are all sick of
thankless nation-building in the Middle East. Yet democratization was
not our first choice, but rather a last resort after prior failures.
The United States had long ago supplied Afghan insurgents, who
expelled the Soviets after a decade of fighting. Then we left. The
country descended into even worse medievalism under the Taliban. So
after removing the Taliban, who had hosted the perpetrators of 9/11,
we promised in 2001 to stay on.
Victor Davis Hanson
Bio | E-mail | Recent columns
Ads by Google
McMahan Scandal Bombshell
Ex-Wife's "Pay or Die" Note: It Was Extortion All Along
thedailycannibal.com
Save Energy Heating Water
Remove water heater limescale the eco-friendly way. 10yr warranty
www.AquaGenesisUSA.com
We won the first Gulf War in 1991. Then most of our forces left the
region. The result was the mass murder of the Iraqi Kurds and Shiites,
12 years of no-fly zones, and a failed oil-for-food embargo of
Saddam's Iraq. So after removing Saddam in 2003, we tried to leave
behind something better.
In the last 10 years the United States has spent more than $1 trillion
and has lost thousands of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both
places seem far better off than when ruled by the Taliban and Saddam
Hussein -- at least for a while longer.
Yet the Iraqis now bear Americans little good will. They seem
friendlier to Iran and Syria than to their liberators. In Afghanistan,
riots continue over mistaken burning of some defaced Korans, despite
serial American apologies.
How about the choice of bombing the bad guys and then just staying
clear? We just did that to the terrorist-friendly Gadhafi dictatorship
in Libya. But now that Gadhafi is gone, there is chaos. Islamic gangs
torture and execute black Africans who supported the deposed regime,
according to press reports. British World War II cemeteries that were
honored during 70 years of Libyan kings and dictators could not
survive six months of a "free" Libya. In Benghazi, gangs just
ransacked and defaced the monuments of the British war dead.
Not having boots on the ground may ensure that endless chaos will
consume the hope of a calm post-Gadhafi Libya. That was also true of
Somalia and Lebanon after American troops were attacked and abruptly
left.
How about another option of aid and words of encouragement only? We
have urged Egyptian reform, under both George W. Bush and now Barack
Obama. When protestors forced the removal of dictator Hosni Mubarak,
the United States approved. It even appears likely that we will keep
sending Egypt significant annual subsidies of more than $1.5 billion
-- as we have for more than 30 years. Yet anti-American Islamists are
now the dominant force in Egyptian politics. American aid workers were
recently arrested and threatened with trial by new Egyptian reformers.
Still another American choice would be not to nation-build, bomb, or
even get near a Middle Eastern country -- as is the case with Iran and
Syria. The United States has not had diplomatic relations with Iran
since the Shah left in 1979. Until the Obama administration
desperately tried to re-establish contacts with the Bashar al-Assad
regime in Syria by appointing a new ambassador, there had been nearly
six years of estrangement.
Yet Iran is nearing its goal of obtaining a nuclear weapon both to
threaten Israel and to bully other oil-exporting regimes of the
Persian Gulf. The Syrian government is now butchering thousands of its
own citizens with impunity.
A final option would be to return to the old policy of re-establishing
friendly relationships with Middle East dictatorships regardless of
their internal politics -- and then keeping mum about their excesses.
We did that with Pakistan, which has both received billions in U.S.
aid and produced a nuclear bomb. Yet it is hard to imagine a more anti-
American country than nuclear Pakistan, without which the Taliban
could not kill Americans so easily in Afghanistan.
The United States once saved the Kuwaiti regime after it was swallowed
up by Saddam Hussein. We have enjoyed strong ties with the Saudi
monarchy as well. Neither country seems especially friendly to the
U.S. It is still a crime to publicly practice Christianity in Saudi
Arabia. Fifteen of the 19 mass-murdering hijackers of 9/11 were
Saudis. Oil in the Middle East costs less than $5 a barrel to produce;
it now sells for over $100, largely due to the policies of our allies
and OPEC members.
Let us review the various American policy options for the Middle East
over the last few decades. Military assistance or punitive
intervention without follow-up mostly failed. The verdict on far more
costly nation-building is still out. Trying to help popular insurgents
topple unpopular dictators does not guarantee anything better.
Propping up dictators with military aid is both odious and
counterproductive. Keeping clear of maniacal regimes leads to either
nuclear acquisition or genocide -- or 16 acres of rubble in Manhattan.
What have we learned? Tribalism, oil and Islamic fundamentalism are a
bad mix that leave Americans sick and tired of the Middle East -- both
when they get in it and when they try to stay out of it.
(Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover
Institution, Stanford University, and the author of the just-released
"The End of Sparta." You can reach him by e-mailing
aut...@victorhanson.com.)
Kickboxer ®™
Mar 8, 2012, 2:28:19 PM3/8/12
to
"A final option would be to return to the old policy of re-
establishing
friendly relationships with Middle East dictatorships regardless of
their internal politics -- and then keeping mum about their excesses.
We did that with Pakistan, which has both received billions in U.S.
aid and produced a nuclear bomb. Yet it is hard to imagine a more
anti-
American country than nuclear Pakistan, without which the Taliban
could not kill Americans so easily in Afghanistan."
This is true. The most intense Anti-American hate vibes I've ever
establishing
friendly relationships with Middle East dictatorships regardless of
their internal politics -- and then keeping mum about their excesses.
We did that with Pakistan, which has both received billions in U.S.
aid and produced a nuclear bomb. Yet it is hard to imagine a more
anti-
American country than nuclear Pakistan, without which the Taliban
could not kill Americans so easily in Afghanistan."
sensed came from Pakistanis.
The Revd
Mar 8, 2012, 3:19:54 PM3/8/12
to
of the collective jew rectum, malaga.
Kickboxer ®™
Mar 8, 2012, 3:50:27 PM3/8/12
to
> That "anti-American hate" owes itself to America's relentless sucking
> of the collective jew rectum, malaga.
If that was true then everyone would hate the Americans equally. The
> of the collective jew rectum, malaga.
fact no one hates the Americans equally or not at all (like me, a
philo-American) means that hate is the responsibility of the hater.
The greater the hate the bigger the responsibility.
NEMO
Mar 8, 2012, 3:55:47 PM3/8/12
to
Asswipe rsehole HHW, Sick and tired of the Middle East & you!
The Peeler
Mar 8, 2012, 4:16:36 PM3/8/12
to
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:19:54 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
>>This is true. The most intense Anti-American hate vibes I've ever
>>sensed came from Pakistanis.
>
> That "anti-American hate" owes itself to America's relentless sucking
> of the collective jew rectum, malaga.
Does it, "The Rectum", you blithering idiot? LMAO!
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
>>This is true. The most intense Anti-American hate vibes I've ever
>>sensed came from Pakistanis.
>
> That "anti-American hate" owes itself to America's relentless sucking
> of the collective jew rectum, malaga.
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard (aka "The Rectum").
The Revd
Mar 8, 2012, 4:18:02 PM3/8/12
to
rectum as they do.
Kickboxer ®™
Mar 8, 2012, 4:24:51 PM3/8/12
to
> What a load of skata. You like Americans because you suck as much jew
> rectum as they do.
We love Americans because they hate terrorists and hateful Slavs. G-d
> rectum as they do.
Bless America!
The Peeler
Mar 8, 2012, 4:36:59 PM3/8/12
to
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:18:02 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
housebound cripple? LOL
--
The top 5 truths about our colostomy bag wearing resident psychopath, aka
"The Rectum":
the desperate psycho can't SLEEP anymore,
he can't get out of the house anymore,
he got NOBODY to talk to anymore,
he can't FUCK anymore,
he got no life outside Usenet AT ALL!
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
farted:
>>If that was true then everyone would hate the Americans equally. The
>>fact no one hates the Americans equally or not at all (like me, a
>>philo-American) means that hate is the responsibility of the hater.
>>The greater the hate the bigger the responsibility.
>
> What a load of skata. You like Americans because you suck as much jew
> rectum as they do.
Is your leaking colostomy bag stinking up your room again, you poor
>>fact no one hates the Americans equally or not at all (like me, a
>>philo-American) means that hate is the responsibility of the hater.
>>The greater the hate the bigger the responsibility.
>
> What a load of skata. You like Americans because you suck as much jew
> rectum as they do.
housebound cripple? LOL
--
The top 5 truths about our colostomy bag wearing resident psychopath, aka
"The Rectum":
the desperate psycho can't SLEEP anymore,
he can't get out of the house anymore,
he got NOBODY to talk to anymore,
he can't FUCK anymore,
he got no life outside Usenet AT ALL!
NefeshBarYochai
Mar 8, 2012, 4:40:16 PM3/8/12
to
The Revd
Mar 8, 2012, 5:04:21 PM3/8/12
to
What's with the "G-d" shit, malaga? Only jew assholes write it that
way in case someone prints off the post and wipes their fat ass with
it.
The Revd
Mar 8, 2012, 5:04:36 PM3/8/12
to
The Peeler
Mar 8, 2012, 5:20:59 PM3/8/12
to
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:04:36 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
farted:
>>> We love Americans because they hate terrorists and hateful Slavs. G-d
>>> Bless America!
>>
>>Amen brother!
>
> Shut the fuck up, nigger.
Make him, you impotent bigmouth! <BG>
>>> Bless America!
>>
>>Amen brother!
>
> Shut the fuck up, nigger.
The Peeler
Mar 8, 2012, 5:22:55 PM3/8/12
to
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:04:21 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
cripple! LOL
> What's with the "G-d" shit, malaga? Only jew assholes write it that
> way in case someone prints off the post and wipes their fat ass with
> it.
And your eternal problem keeps showing, you poor housebound frustrated
sexual cripple! LOL
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
farted:
>>We love Americans because they hate terrorists and hateful Slavs. G-d
>>Bless America!
>
> Fuck America, fuck Grease, fuck 'Israel', and greek you.
Your eternal problem keeps showing, you hilarious housebound impotent
>>Bless America!
>
> Fuck America, fuck Grease, fuck 'Israel', and greek you.
cripple! LOL
> What's with the "G-d" shit, malaga? Only jew assholes write it that
> way in case someone prints off the post and wipes their fat ass with
> it.
sexual cripple! LOL
NefeshBarYochai
Mar 8, 2012, 5:25:50 PM3/8/12
to
On Mar 8, 3:04 pm, The Revd <peel...@degenerate.Grik> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:40:16 -0800 (PST), NefeshBarYochai
>
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:40:16 -0800 (PST), NefeshBarYochai
>
> <tach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 8, 2:24 pm, Kickboxer ®™ <greeceisgettingric...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> > What a load of skata. You like Americans because you suck as much jew
> >> > rectum as they do.
>
> >> We love Americans because they hate terrorists and hateful Slavs. G-d
> >> Bless America!
>
> >Amen brother!
>
> Shut the fuck up, nigger.
Any time you feel froggy you can't jump palse!
> >On Mar 8, 2:24 pm, Kickboxer ®™ <greeceisgettingric...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> > What a load of skata. You like Americans because you suck as much jew
> >> > rectum as they do.
>
> >> We love Americans because they hate terrorists and hateful Slavs. G-d
> >> Bless America!
>
> >Amen brother!
>
> Shut the fuck up, nigger.
The Revd
Mar 8, 2012, 5:43:07 PM3/8/12
to
The Peeler
Mar 8, 2012, 5:49:11 PM3/8/12
to
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:43:07 -0500, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
--
The Rectum lamenting his fate:
"Your hands are no use to you without a dick"
MID: <uc2ip6hv2u0dmctd2...@4ax.com>
sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, FAKING his time zone again,
farted:
>>
farted:
>>
>>Any time you feel froggy you can't jump palse!
>
> Up yours, Yochi, you drug fucked nigger asshole!
Did he strike a nerve again, you impotent housebound wimp? LOL
>
> Up yours, Yochi, you drug fucked nigger asshole!
--
The Rectum lamenting his fate:
"Your hands are no use to you without a dick"
MID: <uc2ip6hv2u0dmctd2...@4ax.com>
CUNTICA
Mar 14, 2012, 5:51:26 PM3/14/12
to
HHW is hung like a baboon - just your regular muzzie/wog asslifter:
\\\\\Y/////
^
()
oIIo
Not much there, eh, Ahab!
\\\\\Y/////
^
()
oIIo
Not much there, eh, Ahab!
NEMO
Mar 17, 2012, 4:25:26 PM3/17/12
to
HHW Monkey shit - YouTube
► 0:15► 0:15
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2W0ja50v18
22 Feb 2007 - 15 sec - Uploaded by akalanga
Stupid monkey falling off a tree... ... You need Adobe Flash Player
to
watch this video. .... Add to. Monkey ...
Monkey throws poop straight at the camera - YouTube
► 0:45► 0:45
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2AezJo8aQ
23 Nov 2008 - 45 sec - Uploaded by PrincessAnge1
Monkey jumping around, making noise then throws a handful of poop
straight at the camera!! After this video ...
Nasty monkey eating shit - YouTube
► 0:51► 0:51
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhBfKRCJMw
12 Nov 2008 - 51 sec - Uploaded by silenceskater
Loading... little kid eating shit 0:27. Add to little kid eating
shitby RECKLESSLIFE21Featured Video233415 ...
Monkey throwing poop - YouTube
► 1:19► 1:19
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvD5OSkJ_Q
6 Aug 2009 - 1 min - Uploaded by johnnyumx
0:59. Add to. Hippo gets explosive diarrhea.by brycehunFeatured
Video2395152 views · monkey throws ...
Monkey eating poo at zoo - YouTube
► 1:30► 1:30
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM7Rpf1x7RU
6 Jun 2006 - 2 min - Uploaded by SavingGrace76
You need Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. .... Monkey throwing
poopby johnnyumx234529 views ...
More videos for shit monkey video »
► 0:15► 0:15
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2W0ja50v18
22 Feb 2007 - 15 sec - Uploaded by akalanga
Stupid monkey falling off a tree... ... You need Adobe Flash Player
to
watch this video. .... Add to. Monkey ...
Monkey throws poop straight at the camera - YouTube
► 0:45► 0:45
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2AezJo8aQ
23 Nov 2008 - 45 sec - Uploaded by PrincessAnge1
Monkey jumping around, making noise then throws a handful of poop
straight at the camera!! After this video ...
Nasty monkey eating shit - YouTube
► 0:51► 0:51
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhBfKRCJMw
12 Nov 2008 - 51 sec - Uploaded by silenceskater
Loading... little kid eating shit 0:27. Add to little kid eating
shitby RECKLESSLIFE21Featured Video233415 ...
Monkey throwing poop - YouTube
► 1:19► 1:19
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvD5OSkJ_Q
6 Aug 2009 - 1 min - Uploaded by johnnyumx
0:59. Add to. Hippo gets explosive diarrhea.by brycehunFeatured
Video2395152 views · monkey throws ...
Monkey eating poo at zoo - YouTube
► 1:30► 1:30
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM7Rpf1x7RU
6 Jun 2006 - 2 min - Uploaded by SavingGrace76
You need Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. .... Monkey throwing
poopby johnnyumx234529 views ...
More videos for shit monkey video »
0 new messages