American Passports in Poland
marcus
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> >To avoid those problems the state department strongly suggests that
> American citizens traveling in
> >Poland use exclusively their American passports.
> Yes great advise especially since it is for someone else. Problem is
that
> a person who is considered a Polish citizen is already in Poland and
under
> Polish jurisdiction. Polish Embassies and Consulates are very clear
in this
> matter as well - if you are a dual citizen you will need a Polish
passport
> in order to leave Poland. So whose law should a traveler break again?
Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport to
leave any country? The passports are needed to enter a country - never
to leave a country. Under communists Poland used to be known from doing
common sense things "differently" and there are tons of "dumb Polish
jokes" - this must be one of them.
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country that has potential problems for their particular situation?
There are dozens of countries with similar travel problems and warnings
on the State Department list from Iraq to Zimbabwe and Poland is not
exactly known travel destination like Paradise Island in Bahamas or
Cancun in Mexico so why would anyone want to go to go there? There may
be hundreds of travel and vacation packages for Bahamas in any travel
agency but I never saw any cruise or travel advertisement where the
destination is Poland. The only people that would go to Poland would be
people who have to go there because of work or some other specific
requirement and those people should know what the specific travel
requirements are.
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"Peter" <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Do you mean those State Department suggestions?
>
> http://travel.state.gov/dualnationality.html
> "Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict
with
> U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S.
> Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual
> national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's
> allegiance."
>
> and this updated note: http://travel.state.gov/poland.html
> "While recognizing that some Americans are also citizens of other
countries,
>
> the U.S. Government does not encourage its citizens to become or
remain dual
>
> nationals due to an array of complications that may ensue from the
> obligations owed to the
> country of second nationality. For example, Polish law prohibits
Polish
> citizens from serving in the armed forces of a foreign state, and
violators
> are subject to arrest and prosecution. U.S.-Polish dual nationals who
are
> members of the U.S. armed forces may be subject to these penalties"
>
> My suggestion is this - don't go or get a Polish passport if you must
go,
> and wait until next elections hoping that idiots in government will be
> replace by someone else who sees this as a problem, and sees that
because
> stupid laws and lock of flexibility shown in other countries Poland as
> Nation is loosing not only image but also at least possible tourist
revenue.
>
> marcus wrote:
>
> > "RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
> > news:399cb8b...@news.kwom.com...
> > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:20:01 GMT, peter...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >Thanks for a quick and thorough answer. This is madness!!! I am
> > > >afraid that the only result of this idiotic legislature will be
less
> > > >visits to the old country. For one thing I am not going to risk
me
> > and
> > > >my family becoming hostages of some "WOP" madmen. I miss Poland,
but
> > > >not that much.
> > > >Peter
> > > >
> > >
> > > Why dont you want to spend 60 dollars on a passport?
> >
> > You could spend $60 or any other amount on any passport but make
sure it
> > is not Polish one in Poland. If you are an American citizen and you
> > don't use your American passport in Poland you may have difficulties
or
> > delays with contacting your embassy or consulate. Notwithstanding
what
> > Poland may suggest the State Department strongly suggest you use
only
> > your American passport in Poland.
RPP
>If somebody has a dual citizenship why would they want to travel to any
>country that has potential problems for their particular situation?
>There are dozens of countries with similar travel problems and warnings
>on the State Department list from Iraq to Zimbabwe and Poland is not
>exactly known travel destination like Paradise Island in Bahamas or
>Cancun in Mexico so why would anyone want to go to go there? There may
>be hundreds of travel and vacation packages for Bahamas in any travel
>agency but I never saw any cruise or travel advertisement where the
>destination is Poland. The only people that would go to Poland would be
>people who have to go there because of work or some other specific
>requirement and those people should know what the specific travel
>requirements are.
>--
You are an idiot. You want to go to Bahamas? Fine. There are a lot of
people for whom laying all day on the beach isnt exactly the idea of a
great vacation. Some people like to go see historical places, and
Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
destination in terms of how many people visit it. So you are wrong
that only people who need to go there.
RPP
>"Peter" <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >To avoid those problems the state department strongly suggests that
>> American citizens traveling in
>> >Poland use exclusively their American passports.
>> Yes great advise especially since it is for someone else. Problem is
>that
>> a person who is considered a Polish citizen is already in Poland and
>under
>> Polish jurisdiction. Polish Embassies and Consulates are very clear
>in this
>> matter as well - if you are a dual citizen you will need a Polish
>passport
>> in order to leave Poland. So whose law should a traveler break again?
>
>Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport to
>leave any country?
Simpe reason. Its possible that people leave the country to avoid
military service for example.
Peter
the law and make it to serve the people and not bureaucracy which only hurts
Poland and it's revenue. As for your statement "those people should know
what the specific travel requirements are" - unfortunately many people do
not know - this change is recent and was not really advertised - there is no
visa requirement for USA citizens to go to Poland so they really have no
reason to even contact Polish Embassy/Consulate.
marcus wrote:
> If somebody has a dual citizenship why would they want to travel to any
> country that has potential problems for their particular situation?
> There are dozens of countries with similar travel problems and warnings
> on the State Department list from Iraq to Zimbabwe and Poland is not
> exactly known travel destination like Paradise Island in Bahamas or
> Cancun in Mexico so why would anyone want to go to go there? There may
> be hundreds of travel and vacation packages for Bahamas in any travel
> agency but I never saw any cruise or travel advertisement where the
> destination is Poland. The only people that would go to Poland would be
> people who have to go there because of work or some other specific
> requirement and those people should know what the specific travel
> requirements are.
> --
> Marcus
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> "Peter" <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
marcus
change as fast or faster as the different governments there. I think as
of today the lawmakers in Poland amended that part of a law and it may
be radically different from what was the case yesterday or will be
tomorrow )-:
Use common sense and read the warnings on the State Department page so
you know what to expect there as far as general conditions, crime and
the like. Since it is a given that the laws will change drastically at
least once during your visit there register with American embassy if you
staying longer than couple of days and have their telephone number
handy - just in case.
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>
> <peter...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> > Recently I have learned that anyone born in Poland has to have
polish
> > passport in order to travel to Poland, regardless of citizenship.
The
> > rumor has it that US citizens born in Poland are turned back at the
> > Warsaw airport if they do not have polish passports. A friend of
> > mine cancelled his trip to Poland with his family for that very
> > reason. I am planning a trip to Poland later this year but lack of
> > polish passport me keep me away. Anyone knows anything more
concrete
> > about it?
> > Thanks,
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> This is not a rumor. If you are dual citizen (American/Polish) and you
do
> not have Polish passport when leaving Poland you may be turned back
(held
> hostage if you wish) - everything depends on the mood of the Polish
Border
> Service people. If the Border Service has a record of your Polish
> citizenship in their computer system, the chances are you might be
stopped
> at the border. If they don't have a record, you are home free
(literally).
>
> If you speak Polish, there is an excellent web site that covers all
aspects
> of the new "law" and our efforts to chande it:
> http://www.poloniamichigan.com/paszport_main.htm or
> http://www.polindeks.com/paszport_main.htm. (the mirror)
> Unfortunately, these websites are 100% in Polish.
>
>
Peter
government thinks it is normal. During communist times people needed a
government approval to get the passport and to leave Poland - looks like
those peoples sons and daughters are now grown up and the brain washing paid
off.
marcus wrote:
> "Peter" <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:399EC33A...@hotmail.com...
> > >To avoid those problems the state department strongly suggests that
> > American citizens traveling in
> > >Poland use exclusively their American passports.
> > Yes great advise especially since it is for someone else. Problem is
> that
> > a person who is considered a Polish citizen is already in Poland and
> under
> > Polish jurisdiction. Polish Embassies and Consulates are very clear
> in this
> > matter as well - if you are a dual citizen you will need a Polish
> passport
> > in order to leave Poland. So whose law should a traveler break again?
>
> Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport to
> leave any country? The passports are needed to enter a country - never
> to leave a country. Under communists Poland used to be known from doing
> common sense things "differently" and there are tons of "dumb Polish
> jokes" - this must be one of them.
marcus
they go to see some ruins etc. during vacations there are many more
attractive historical places out there than Poland. There are more ruins
and historical places in Zimbabwe and in Iraq but even less Americans
would visit those places. Maybe you and couple of other morons visit
those places but get real. . . the trip there is not exactly as easy as
a trip to Disneyland.
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:09:40 -0400, "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
>
> >If somebody has a dual citizenship why would they want to travel to
any
> >country that has potential problems for their particular situation?
> >There are dozens of countries with similar travel problems and
warnings
> >on the State Department list from Iraq to Zimbabwe and Poland is not
> >exactly known travel destination like Paradise Island in Bahamas or
> >Cancun in Mexico so why would anyone want to go to go there? There
may
> >be hundreds of travel and vacation packages for Bahamas in any travel
> >agency but I never saw any cruise or travel advertisement where the
> >destination is Poland. The only people that would go to Poland would
be
> >people who have to go there because of work or some other specific
> >requirement and those people should know what the specific travel
> >requirements are.
> >--
>
marcus
> >Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport
to
> >leave any country?
>
> Simpe reason. Its possible that people leave the country to avoid
> military service for example.
They must be the fucking dumbest morons ever encountered! Why would they
want to waste resources to catch a person who wants to be a musician (or
whatever) instead of a soldier in Poland. If they did that now they
would be even dumber morons for having an army made of soldiers who did
not want to be soldiers. Last time I think they had more professional
soldiers and Poland surrendered to Germany in seven days - how long
would such an army last during a hypothetical German invasion now? Seven
hours? Seven minutes?
Are you sure you are not digging all this stupidity from the old "dumb
pollack jokes" archives?
marcus
> My point exactly, hopefully Polish government will also see the
stupidity of
> the law and make it to serve the people and not bureaucracy which only
hurts
know
> what the specific travel requirements are" - unfortunately many people
do
> not know - this change is recent and was not really advertised - there
is no
> visa requirement for USA citizens to go to Poland so they really have
no
> reason to even contact Polish Embassy/Consulate.
I think they just amended the law several days ago but that doesn't mean
that tomorrow there won't be another change. The laws, just as the
governments there in Poland in particular and that region as a whole,
change often so travelers should always look for the latest reports and
warnings from the State Department before embarking on a trip.
RPP
Hey American, when you win a war come talk to us. Because for all the
professionality of your army, USA is still to win a major war by
themselves. Vietnam was a big fuck up wasnt it.
As for wasting resources, how is having your passport checked a waste
of resources? They dont go chasing them all over the world but a
simple passport check on the border is a cost effective measure.
As for Poland losing in 7 days to Germany? Check out your sources
because Poland didnt surrender in WW2.
And finally, an American shouldnt be laughing at anyone's intellect,
since it is wll known that aside from being fat Americans are also
pretty stupid.
RPP
>Normal people take a cruise or otherwise take vacations to relax. If
>they go to see some ruins etc. during vacations there are many more
>attractive historical places out there than Poland. There are more ruins
>and historical places in Zimbabwe and in Iraq but even less Americans
>would visit those places. Maybe you and couple of other morons visit
>those places but get real. . . the trip there is not exactly as easy as
>a trip to Disneyland.
Dianeyland is a destination for children and morons. Is that why Yanks
are so eager to go there?
RPP
>
>Use common sense and read the warnings on the State Department page so
>you know what to expect there as far as general conditions, crime and
>the like.
Crime? I think that an American visiting any place outside the USA
should not be worried about crime, seeing as USA's crime rate is the
highest in the western world.
RPP
Americans should be barred from entering any nation. Yanks are usually
rude, crude, abnoxious and idiotic, and anyone can spot a group of
them from a mile away..just feel for the earth shaking as 300 lb lard
buckets walk down the street.
>--
marcus
[...]
> Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
The tenth most popular world destination after Philippines, just after
Sri Lanka but before Bangladesh and Iraq :-)
RPP
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>[...]
>> Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
>> destination in terms of how many people visit it. [...]
>
>The tenth most popular world destination after Philippines, just after
>Sri Lanka but before Bangladesh and Iraq :-)
Before you write stupid things, check your facts. But you are
American, being stupid is your national trait.
RPP
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>[...]
>> Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
>> destination in terms of how many people visit it. [...]
>
>The tenth most popular world destination after Philippines, just after
>Sri Lanka but before Bangladesh and Iraq :-)
Neither Sri Lanka or Bangladesh or Phillipines are on the list, which
you can find at
http://geography.about.com/science/geography/library/weekly/aa050899.htm?iam=mt&terms=%22world+tourism%22
Because you are American and lazy, I will paste it for you:
1. France - 70,000,000
2. Spain - 47,743,000
3. United States - 47,127,000
4. Italy - 34,829,000
5. United Kingdom - 25,475,000
6. China - 24,000,000
7. Mexico - 19,300,000
8. Poland - 18,820,000
9. Canada - 18,659,000
10. Austria - 17,282,000
11. Germany - 16,504,000
12. Czech Republic - 16,325,000
13. Russia - 15,810,000
14. Hungary - 14,660,000
15. Portugal - 11,800,000
16. Greece - 11,077,000
17. Switzerland - 11,025,00
18. Hong Kong* - 9,600,000
19. Turkey - 9,200,000
20. Thailand - 7,720,000
Poland is 4th in Europe as a destination.
marcus
> >
> >I think they just amended the law several days ago but that doesn't
mean
> >that tomorrow there won't be another change. The laws, just as the
> >governments there in Poland in particular and that region as a whole,
> >change often so travelers should always look for the latest reports
and
> >warnings from the State Department before embarking on a trip.
>
> Americans should be barred from entering any nation. Yanks are usually
> rude, crude, abnoxious and idiotic, and anyone can spot a group of
> them from a mile away..just feel for the earth shaking as 300 lb lard
> buckets walk down the street.
Do you also have deficiency of vitamin B-12?
marcus
>
> Crime? I think that an American visiting any place outside the USA
> should not be worried about crime, seeing as USA's crime rate is the
> highest in the western world.
The rates are falling for past twenty years but how would you know that?
marcus
>
> Hey American, when you win a war come talk to us. Because for all the
> professionality of your army, USA is still to win a major war by
> themselves. Vietnam was a big fuck up wasnt it.
> As for wasting resources, how is having your passport checked a waste
> of resources? They dont go chasing them all over the world but a
> simple passport check on the border is a cost effective measure.
Hey stup, didn't you just write that Poland is the only country in the
world that checks passports at the borders when people are about to
leave the country instead of when they are entering the country as is
the case everywhere else? As far as Nam I wasn't aware that Americans
have surrendered in seven days there. I told you not to relay on those
old "dumb polack jokes" archives too much for your information.
> As for Poland losing in 7 days to Germany? Check out your sources
> because Poland didn't surrender in WW2.
Just because there is a polish joke about Poland winning the war with
Germany in seven days it is not necessarily mean this is what has
happened there.
> And finally, an American shouldnt be laughing at anyone's intellect,
> since it is wll known that aside from being fat Americans are also
> pretty stupid.
I haven't seen an American or anybody laughing at anybody's intellect
here but it seems from what you're writing here you don't have any )-:
eng...@my-deja.com
This is the transcript of an actual radio conversation of a
US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of
Newfoundland released by the Chief of Naval
Operations, 10-10-95.
#1: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to
avoid a collision.
#2: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South
to avoid a collision.
#1: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again,
divert YOUR course.
#2: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
#1. THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS John F. Kennedy. WE ARE A
LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!
#2. This is a lighthouse. Your call.
marcus
> >[...]
> >> Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
> >> destination in terms of how many people visit it. [...]
> >
> >The tenth most popular world destination after Philippines, just
after
> >Sri Lanka but before Bangladesh and Iraq :-)
>
> American, being stupid is your national trait.
Are you really as dumb as the pole or is it your insecurity that forces
you to call everybody else stupid. Everybody knows about the those old
"dumb Pollack jokes" but if you are that insecure referring back to
those "stupid Pollack jokes" will make things only more difficult for
you.
marcus
discussion about American Passports. Nobody argues here that number of
visitors to Poland from Belarus, Ukraine and possibly Bangladesh might
be many times larger than from the United States -just the opposite. If
you would stop for a moment and look at the header you may notice
"American Passports in Poland". How many Ukrainians visiting Poland have
American Passports? If you are looking for the Ukrainian Passport
discussion it ain't here.
Unbelievable, but they are getting dumber by the minute.
--
Marcus
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:02:12 -0400, "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
>
> >"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
> >news:399ef2e2...@news.kwom.com...
> >[...]
> >> Poland is a good destination. BTW, Poland is a top 10 world
> >> destination in terms of how many people visit it. [...]
> >
> >The tenth most popular world destination after Philippines, just
after
> >Sri Lanka but before Bangladesh and Iraq :-)
>
marcus
I'll take children and morons and even Yanks over dumb poles anytime :)
You may be on to something here. Maybe they want to get away from dumb
poles at Disneyland?
marcus
dumb pole which seems to be impossible or you are putting us on. You
just told us that the reason Poland is the only country in the world
checking passport on a way out of the country instead on a way in
because they are looking for polish deserters leaving for Chile and
Madagascar? With a track record of Polish military I think that Polish
government should do themselves a favor and ship the whole military to
Chile and Madagascar immediately.
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> On 19 Aug 2000 21:41:50 GMT, sbobr...@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>
> >If someone is willing to be a draft dodger and goes to USA, his
chance of
> >becoming
> >a US citizan in less than 10 years is very slim. Unless he gets
merried to an
> >American.
> >Assuming he is the draft age (approx. 20)
> >then he does not have any meaningful education and he will be
competeing with
> >illiterate Mexicans for jobs (if he is in US).
> >
> >In conclusion, he must be an idiot to go for such a deal, assuming he
is
> >trading
> >2 years (or less) of service for these problems.
> >
> >In other words, "szpartan"/RPP is talking
> >nonsense.
>
> Is USA the ONLy place outside of Poland? Maybe he is leaving to Chile
> or Madagascar? He is still leaving the country.
>
>
>
>
marcus
Pollack who won the war helping the American and the Russian. . . Get
real.
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:16:54 -0400, "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
>
> >Nobody can be that stupid :) Either your IQ must be lower of that of
a
> >dumb pole which seems to be impossible or you are putting us on. You
> >just told us that the reason Poland is the only country in the world
> >checking passport on a way out of the country instead on a way in
> >because they are looking for polish deserters leaving for Chile and
> >Madagascar? With a track record of Polish military I think that
Polish
> >government should do themselves a favor and ship the whole military
to
> >Chile and Madagascar immediately.
>
> Check your US history, you never won a war on your own.
>
>
>
>
patient
RPP wrote:
>
> BTW, Poland is a top 10 world destination in terms of how many people visit it.
> So you are wrong that only people who need to go there.
Well, how many of those people are actually dual citizens, you seem to disrespect
so much, visiting their families and friends? Maybe the very same friends try to
facilitate their (dual citizens') stay in Poland demanding they produce
Polish passports while leaving the country?
I believe you don't count all those "mrowkas"/"ants" engaging in small cross-border
trade and similar as genuine visitors/citizens. Maybe it would be more informative
to estimate the net amount of money spent in Poland by various "visitors" and "tourists"
(not counting various passport, "legalization", "validation", etc. fees paid by
dual citizens, of course).
patient
marcus wrote:
>
> Are you really as dumb as the pole or is it your insecurity that forces
> you to call everybody else stupid. Everybody knows about the those old
> "dumb Pollack jokes" but if you are that insecure referring back to
> those "stupid Pollack jokes" will make things only more difficult for
> you.
Well, talking about dumbness? That word should be spelled "Polack",
if you must use it at all. Who is actually "dumb" is another issue.
marcus
>
> I didnt say they werent falling, but that doesnt mean that as o TODAY
> they are STILL among the highest of not the highest.
I wonder what "highest of not the highest" means and how it relates to
Poland being the only country in the world checking passports on the way
out (supposedly looking for deserters from. . . Polish army:).
marcus
> >
> >Just because there is a polish joke about Poland winning the war with
> >Germany in seven days it is not necessarily mean this is what has
> >happened there.
> >
>
> surrender with Germany.
Of course it was Poland that attacked Germany in 1939 and the Germans
surrendered after seven days after being intimidated by fierce Polish
soldiers on scary horses :)
eng...@my-deja.com
RPP
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>>
>> Crime? I think that an American visiting any place outside the USA
>> should not be worried about crime, seeing as USA's crime rate is the
>> highest in the western world.
>
>The rates are falling for past twenty years but how would you know that?
I didnt say they werent falling, but that doesnt mean that as o TODAY
they are STILL among the highest of not the highest.
>--
RPP
RPP
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>>
>> Crime? I think that an American visiting any place outside the USA
>> should not be worried about crime, seeing as USA's crime rate is the
>> highest in the western world.
>
>The rates are falling for past twenty years but how would you know that?
>--
>Marcus
Btw, USA's prison population has recently passed the 2 million mark.
Way to go USA.
RPP
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>>
>> Hey American, when you win a war come talk to us. Because for all the
>> professionality of your army, USA is still to win a major war by
>> themselves. Vietnam was a big fuck up wasnt it.
>> As for wasting resources, how is having your passport checked a waste
>> of resources? They dont go chasing them all over the world but a
>> simple passport check on the border is a cost effective measure.
>
>Hey stup, didn't you just write that Poland is the only country in the
>world that checks passports at the borders when people are about to
>leave the country instead of when they are entering the country as is
>the case everywhere else? As far as Nam I wasn't aware that Americans
>have surrendered in seven days there. I told you not to relay on those
>old "dumb polack jokes" archives too much for your information.
>
>> As for Poland losing in 7 days to Germany? Check out your sources
>> because Poland didn't surrender in WW2.
>
>Just because there is a polish joke about Poland winning the war with
>Germany in seven days it is not necessarily mean this is what has
>happened there.
>
History isnt America's strong point is it. Poland never signed a
surrender with Germany.
As for Vietnam, USA ddnt surrender because USA was the attacker. That
still doesnt change the fact that USA got their asses kicked. As for 7
day defeats, USA in Somalia fits that bill:)
>> And finally, an American shouldnt be laughing at anyone's intellect,
>> since it is wll known that aside from being fat Americans are also
>> pretty stupid.
>
>I haven't seen an American or anybody laughing at anybody's intellect
>here but it seems from what you're writing here you don't have any )-:
Rudi
>Normal people take a cruise or otherwise take vacations to relax.
Marcus, my boy! Just what the hell is your problem? Are the people who
post in this area are typing too fast for you?
You are posting to soc.culture.polish.
Believe me, the people you'll find here do not travel to Poland to
relax on its "golden" sands. Allow me present you with my own "top ten
list" that will help set you straight.
The top ten reasons why people travel to Poland
===============================================
10) To see the country from which their ancestors emigrated.
9) To visit relatives and friends.
8) To attend the wedding of their Uncle Zbyszek's pregnant
daughter, Malgorzata.
7) They were recently booted off the "Survivor" island
and are looking for a place where no one will recognize them.
6) They're going to Gniezno to see the "Doors" (no, we're not
talking about the 60s amerykanski zespól muzyczny).
5) They received a two-week vacation to Gorzów Wielkopolski
from Pat Sajak as a parting gift after bombing out on
Wheel of Fortune.
4) They're tired of paying exhorbitant prices for imported
Wyborowa and Luxusowa.
3) Kielbasa Krakowska just doesn't taste the same between
two slices of Wonder bread.
2) They have heard, rightly so, that Polish girls are the
most beautiful creatures on the face of the earth.
-- and the No. 1 reason why people travel to Poland --
1) They're looking for their car that was stolen in Los Angeles
last year.
marcus
cold there. I enjoyed your great Top Ten list and could use number two
as an excuse to go there right now :-)
--
Marcus
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Peter
RPP
>"among the highest of not the highest" wow - this is deep !!! :))))))))))))
Ahh yes, the spelling flame. Way to go yank, you really showed me.
Rudi
>I was arguing just the opposite and besides the beaches are simply too
>cold there. I enjoyed your great Top Ten list and could use number two
>as an excuse to go there right now :-)
Actually, the beaches are quite warm. It's the water in the Baltic Sea
that's too damn cold. But with all those hot chicks sunning their
exquisite bods you won't want to leave the beach anyway. And take your
binoculars.
marcus
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:04:28 GMT, Peter <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"among the highest of not the highest" wow - this is deep !!!
:))))))))))))
>
> Ahh yes, the spelling flame. Way to go yank, you really showed me.
The spelling flame? Hey kid, he's not pointing any spelling errors but
the fact that you are just not making any sense.
marcus
Quite warm beaches? Where do you normally go to a beach? Anchorage?
Murmansk?
As far as hot chicks are concerned you are right -- they could melt the
whole state of Alaska and parts of Siberia in no time :)
marcus
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> Marcus,
> I have a hard prove of such a thing:
> A bearer of the US passport, a dual-national, had to buy his way out
> of Poland (had to pay a Border Guard).
> The plane was waiting and the guard talked him into paying for his way
out.
Like many of the stories circulated here and elsewhere this seems to be
a little too ridiculous to be believable. Besides, normally the
penalties for bribes would be many times more severe than any penalties
for having (or not) a passport. As far as international tradition and
conventions go passports are needed to enter a country -- no one ever
needs a passport to leave a country. I don't think it would be any
different in Poland :)
RPP
>
>"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
>news:39a0ac84....@news.kwom.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:04:28 GMT, Peter <pad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"among the highest of not the highest" wow - this is deep !!!
>:))))))))))))
>>
>> Ahh yes, the spelling flame. Way to go yank, you really showed me.
>
>The spelling flame? Hey kid, he's not pointing any spelling errors but
>the fact that you are just not making any sense.
look at your keyboard. Do you see that the 'i' and 'o' key are beside
each other? You figure it out.
Peter
posting this garbage to soc.culture.usa is giving us Poles a bad name. Take the
chill pill, and comment when you do have something constructive to add to a
discussion.
peter...@my-deja.com
the civil war history fifteen times over and over but the real history
of the world (you know, other countries, etc.?), so you can say
something about polish military. While at it, take spelling, it may
help you land an exciting job at McDonald's.
PM
Peter
people caught in the middle - travelers are rather to slip in few Franklins
than face the larger expanse of extended "vacation". And yes you are right
Laws should fight corruption and not open the doors to it. Another is the
fact that low salaries and low persecution of such crimes makes it even more
tempting.
marcus wrote:
Peter
RPP
>I suggest that you go back to school, someplace where they do not teach
>the civil war history fifteen times over and over but the real history
>of the world (you know, other countries, etc.?), so you can say
>something about polish military. While at it, take spelling, it may
>help you land an exciting job at McDonald's.
>PM
>
Who is peter pan talking to?
Rudi
>Quite warm beaches? Where do you normally go to a beach? Anchorage?
>Murmansk?
Marcus, your knowledge of geography is virtually zilch. But that's
normal for an American. Europe -- East, West or Central -- ain't
excactly Arizona, but it gets pretty warm during the summer. And it
promises to get even warmer as the ozone layer disintegrates.
marcus
news:39A20211...@hotmail.com...
> Unfortunately this is not a joke. Law opens the doors to corruption,
and
> people caught in the middle - travelers are rather to slip in few
Franklins
> than face the larger expanse of extended "vacation". And yes you are
right
> Laws should fight corruption and not open the doors to it. Another is
the
> fact that low salaries and low persecution of such crimes makes it
even more
> tempting.
I'm not claiming that such things as graft and bribery don't exist but
whose fault is it? Obviously it would be better to get all you papers in
order in advance and you would not have to explain anything to anybody
but even if you did not have your documents most of the time you can
sweet talk your way out easily.
From my experience most of the border workers and clerks that you will
be dealing with work there for a minimum wage of maybe a few dollars per
hour because they are not exactly too bright. Otherwise they would work
somewhere else. Most likely you would have easier time intimidating them
that they would you simply because they often would have no idea what's
going on and have difficult time concentrating on their jobs.
Some have such a poor command of English language that even asking for a
passport is a challenge for them. One would think this should be a basic
requirement if you are checking passports on a plane leaving for example
for NYC but apparently if you got your job just because you "knew" uncle
Zbyszek even that is not required. I have really hard time visualizing
one of those guys or gals giving you a hard time for anything.
marcus
>
> >Quite warm beaches? Where do you normally go to a beach? Anchorage?
> >Murmansk?
>
> Marcus, your knowledge of geography is virtually zilch. But that's
> normal for an American. Europe -- East, West or Central -- ain't
> excactly Arizona, but it gets pretty warm during the summer. And it
> promises to get even warmer as the ozone layer disintegrates.
I have never claimed that I'm an expert as far as geography is concerned
but what has my geography knowledge to do with my ass being actually
"frozen" at the Baltic shore? I may be used to much warmer beaches but
if you ask people in Poland most of them prefer to go south in search of
warmer beaches too. BTW, I have never claimed that my knowledge of
geography is zero either - are Murmansk and Anchorage still too warm for
you?
RPP
>"Rudi" <czerwona...@redseven.de> wrote in message
>news:39aa1c39...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>>
>> >Quite warm beaches? Where do you normally go to a beach? Anchorage?
>> >Murmansk?
>>
>> Marcus, your knowledge of geography is virtually zilch. But that's
>> normal for an American. Europe -- East, West or Central -- ain't
>> excactly Arizona, but it gets pretty warm during the summer. And it
>> promises to get even warmer as the ozone layer disintegrates.
>
>I have never claimed that I'm an expert as far as geography is concerned
>but what has my geography knowledge to do with my ass being actually
>"frozen" at the Baltic shore? I may be used to much warmer beaches but
>if you ask people in Poland most of them prefer to go south in search of
>warmer beaches too. BTW, I have never claimed that my knowledge of
>geography is zero either - are Murmansk and Anchorage still too warm for
>you?
>--
It is not uncommon for temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the
high 30s Celsius, and in the summer time you can expect a nice and
warm 25 to 30' Celsius. Thats very warm and not even remotely close to
freezing.
marcus
and
> people caught in the middle - travelers are rather to slip in few
Franklins
> than face the larger expanse of extended "vacation". And yes you are
right
> Laws should fight corruption and not open the doors to it. Another is
the
> fact that low salaries and low persecution of such crimes makes it
even more
> tempting.
I'm not claiming that such things as graft and bribery don't exist but
whose fault is it? Obviously it would be better to get all you papers in
order in advance and you would not have to explain anything to anybody
but even if you did not have your documents most of the time you can
sweet talk your way out easily.
From my experience most of the border workers and clerks that you will
be dealing with work there for a minimum wage of maybe a few dollars per
hour because they are not exactly too bright. Otherwise they would work
somewhere else. Most likely you would have easier time intimidating them
than they would you simply because they often have no idea what's
going on and have difficult time concentrating on their jobs.
Some have such a poor command of English language that even asking for a
passport is a challenge for them. One would think this should be a basic
requirement if you are supposed to be checking passports on a plane
leaving for example for NYC but apparently if you got your job just
because you "knew" uncle Zbyszek even that is not required. I have
really hard time visualizing
one of those guys or gals giving you a hard time for anything.
marcus
>
> It is not uncommon for temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the
> high 30s Celsius, and in the summer time you can expect a nice and
> warm 25 to 30' Celsius. Thats very warm and not even remotely close to
> freezing.
High 30s? It is a very rare occurrence that you would get 30s anywhere
in Poland and actually you will be more likely to experience that in the
south of Poland. In the north of Poland today you would consider as a
very nice, warm day without a cloud. In Gdansk and Szczecin it has been
sunny the whole day today and it is relatively warm even right now with
temperature of 59F (15C). The high for today was 66F and the low is 53F.
This is the peak of summer season and at the Baltic shore temperatures
rarely get this high any other time. More likely the weather you will
experience there would be much colder than that with heavy cloud cover
or steady rain.
RPP
>"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>> It is not uncommon for temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the
>> high 30s Celsius, and in the summer time you can expect a nice and
>> warm 25 to 30' Celsius. Thats very warm and not even remotely close to
>> freezing.
>
>High 30s? It is a very rare occurrence that you would get 30s anywhere
>in Poland and actually you will be more likely to experience that in the
>south of Poland.
How many times have YOU been to Poland to tell ME what the weather is
like?
In the north of Poland today you would consider as a
>very nice, warm day without a cloud. In Gdansk and Szczecin it has been
>sunny the whole day today and it is relatively warm even right now with
>temperature of 59F (15C).
Weather all over Europe this summer has been total shit. Check oput
the temperatures for may for example this year when there were heat
waves hitting Poland.
The high for today was 66F and the low is 53F.
>This is the peak of summer season and at the Baltic shore temperatures
>rarely get this high any other time. More likely the weather you will
>experience there would be much colder than that with heavy cloud cover
>or steady rain.
Dont be a moron, I have spent every summer since 1980s in the Baltic
region and the temperatures for the summer usually are around 25 to 30
C.
marcus
> >
> >High 30s? It is a very rare occurrence that you would get 30s
anywhere
> >in Poland and actually you will be more likely to experience that in
the
> >south of Poland.
>
>
> How many times have YOU been to Poland to tell ME what the weather is
> like?
I would like to know what the fucking difference that makes to today's
weather (59 degrees F) in Szczecin or Gdansk? I don't know but it is
likely that I am there more often than you but again what difference
does it make to the 59F temperature there? And just so you moron can
understand, this is not the temperature at the beach. Right at the beach
the temperature is always several degrees lower )-:
> In the north of Poland today you would consider as a
> >very nice, warm day without a cloud. In Gdansk and Szczecin it has
been
> >sunny the whole day today and it is relatively warm even right now
with
> >temperature of 59F (15C).
>
>
> Weather all over Europe this summer has been total shit. Check oput
> the temperatures for may for example this year when there were heat
> waves hitting Poland.
It was never 30C at any of the beaches there in May. If you would have
several days as nice as today the temperature may briefly approach or
even go over the 20 degrees Centigrade mark in the hottest moment of the
afternoon but most of the time what you see today would be considered an
ideal weather at the Polish Baltic shore.
> The high for today was 66F and the low is 53F.
> >This is the peak of summer season and at the Baltic shore
temperatures
> >rarely get this high any other time. More likely the weather you will
> >experience there would be much colder than that with heavy cloud
cover
> >or steady rain.
>
> Dont be a moron, I have spent every summer since 1980s in the Baltic
> region and the temperatures for the summer usually are around 25 to 30
> C.
During a heat wave a station may encounter a record high like that 25
degrees occasionally but much further away from the coast and this is
not what you have during a day at the beach. More typically when the
temperature even few miles from the shore will reach 25C it will go to
20 or maybe even not that high right at the beach during the hottest
moment of the day. If your spend few hours at the beach you may never
even catch that 20C simply because during the day the temperature will
be closer to 15C with cold wind gusts occasionally much lower than that.
Toward the later afternoon and evening hours the temperature steadily
falls sometimes into the single digit territory. Now in Gdansk the
temperature is 15C but the low tonight will be closer to 12C - as far as
I am concerned this is frigid.
RPP
>
>"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
>news:39a301b8....@news.kwom.com...
>> >
>> >High 30s? It is a very rare occurrence that you would get 30s
>anywhere
>> >in Poland and actually you will be more likely to experience that in
>the
>> >south of Poland.
>>
>>
>> How many times have YOU been to Poland to tell ME what the weather is
>> like?
>
>I would like to know what the fucking difference that makes to today's
>weather (59 degrees F) in Szczecin or Gdansk?
The difference is that this summer's weather as I already stated and
you may hev missed, has been shit all over Europe and has been an
anomaly. As a TYPICAL yank, you fail to understand that taking one set
of data, i.e. today's weather and extending that to make a prediction
is not exactly good statistics.
marcus
> >
> >I would like to know what the fucking difference that makes to
today's
> >weather (59 degrees F) in Szczecin or Gdansk?
>
> The difference is that this summer's weather as I already stated and
> you may hev missed, has been shit all over Europe and has been an
> anomaly. As a TYPICAL yank, you fail to understand that taking one set
> of data, i.e. today's weather and extending that to make a prediction
> is not exactly good statistics.
Never mind making predictions -- it appears that you have difficulties
reading the current temperature. My point of quoting the current
temperature in Gdansk was only to show the stark contrast between the
reality (59F) and your statements of 100 degree F (high 30s C) weather
there.
It is possible that you have never been anywhere near Baltic coast. As a
matter of fact you can go way south to French Rivera and all over the
Mediterranean cost and even there 100F+ temperatures are an exception,
not the rule.
RPP
>"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
>news:39a3e12...@news.kwom.com...
>> >
>> >I would like to know what the fucking difference that makes to
>today's
>> >weather (59 degrees F) in Szczecin or Gdansk?
>>
>> The difference is that this summer's weather as I already stated and
>> you may hev missed, has been shit all over Europe and has been an
>> anomaly. As a TYPICAL yank, you fail to understand that taking one set
>> of data, i.e. today's weather and extending that to make a prediction
>> is not exactly good statistics.
>
>Never mind making predictions -- it appears that you have difficulties
>reading the current temperature. My point of quoting the current
>temperature in Gdansk was only to show the stark contrast between the
>reality (59F) and your statements of 100 degree F (high 30s C) weather
>there.
>
You are taking one outlier and genralizing to a whole set of data.
>It is possible that you have never been anywhere near Baltic coast. As a
>matter of fact you can go way south to French Rivera and all over the
>Mediterranean cost and even there 100F+ temperatures are an exception,
>not the rule.
I never said 100F weather is a rule you jackass. i said mid 20s to 30C
would be a much more common occurence than the weird weather this
summer. But weather this summer was awful all over Europe almost.
dzieciol
>
> >
>
> This is a rule in Canada and probably in USA too, but in different
> context. It is not possible to leave Canada without passport and visa
> that will permit the entry at the destination. This check is done by
> airline company because they will have to fly you back home for free if
> you are not admitted at the destination.
>
>
Wyobraz sobie, zejest mozliwe wyjechac z USA nie
pokazujac
paszportu kontroli granicznej, bo takiej nie ma przy
wyjezdzie
z USA.
Osobiscie radze przeczytac co w tej sprawie bylo juz tu
napisane i nie probowac 'odkrywac ameryki na nowo'
Prosze
mi wierzyc, ze wiekszosc stalych bywalcow tej grupy
jest
juz ekspertami w materii przepisow paszportowych.
PS. A ktore to juz pokolenie na wychodztwie, ze jezyka
polskiego zapomnialo a polski paszport w garsci sciska?
patient
nomad...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <sptqek...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
> > Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport to
> > leave any country? The passports are needed to enter a country - never
> > to leave a country. Under communists Poland used to be known from
> doing
> > common sense things "differently" and there are tons of "dumb Polish
> > jokes" - this must be one of them.
> >
>
> This is a rule in Canada and probably in USA too, but in different
> context. It is not possible to leave Canada without passport and visa
> that will permit the entry at the destination.
So? Can a holder of a foreign passport leave Canada for
the country which issued this passport?
Why can't people leave Poland based on the same rule?
> This check is done by airline company because they will have
> to fly you back home for free if you are not admitted at the
> destination.
So? Why can't it be done by airline companies in Poland as well
but by border guards? Can you answer this question, please?
patient
So? Can a holder of a foreign passport leave Canada for
the country which issued this passport?
Why can't people leave Poland based on the same rule?
> This check is done by airline company because they will have
> to fly you back home for free if you are not admitted at the
> destination.
So? Why can't it be done by airline companies in Poland as well
but has to be done by border guards? Can you answer this question, please?
patient
Peter wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that is True - problems is no one is laughing - and the
> government thinks it is normal. During communist times people needed a
> government approval to get the passport and to leave Poland - looks like
> those peoples sons and daughters are now grown up and the brain washing paid
> off.
I'm afraid it still will hava to be paid for.
patient
I'm afraid it still will have to be paid for.
marcus
the US and Canada and possibly Poland too. If there is such practice in
Poland it is not consistent with international practices and
conventions. It may also be a violation of your basic human rights which
Poland as a member of UN signed into.
With airlines what you are referring to is a common practice where every
airline in the world (and this has nothing to do with the border guards)
has to make sure that you do have a passport or document allowing you to
ENTER a particular destination because if you don't they have to pay for
your trip back. Again keep in mind that this is to ENTER a particular
country and the airline doesn't care whether your passport is from US,
Poland or Gabon. What the airline cares about that you have any valid
passport or other document allowing you to ENTER that particular
country.
--
Marcus
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<nomad...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <sptqek...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
> > Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any passport
to
> > leave any country? The passports are needed to enter a country -
never
> > to leave a country. Under communists Poland used to be known from
> doing
> > common sense things "differently" and there are tons of "dumb Polish
> > jokes" - this must be one of them.
> >
>
> This is a rule in Canada and probably in USA too, but in different
> context. It is not possible to leave Canada without passport and visa
> that will permit the entry at the destination. This check is done by
> airline company because they will have to fly you back home for free
if
> you are not admitted at the destination.
>
>
nomad...@my-deja.com
nomad...@my-deja.com
sta...@my-deja.com
=================================================
And herein lies the world of difference between the First World and the
Third World.
Outbound passport control in Poland is a function of the state Border
Guards, who may at any time disallow your exit, until such time as you
jump through such hoops as the Polish Government may demand.
(For example, until you get a Polish passport, if the Polish Government
arbitrarily decrees they will let you out only on a Polish passport;
presumably also until you grow a beard, should the Polish Government
decide that all travellers must wear a beard).
Outbound passport check by an airline in the US or Canada is designed to
verify your admissibility at destination, in order to protect the
airline company against the trouble and expense of flying you back
free of charge (under the International Civil Aviation Organization
inadmissible passenegr rules) to wherever you came from. The US
Government would not dream of impeding your exit unless there is a court
order or an arrest warrant against you.
The difference between the rule of law in the US and the authoritarian
state rule in Poland is in the practical enjoyment of your
theoretically guaranteed rights. While no one would dream of depriving
you of your freedom of movement in the US, a Polish border guard may
demand just about anything from you, and your recourse against such
actions is extremely limited in practice.
So, if you are a Polish-American travelling on an American passport, you
might not be let out of Poland despite being clearly admissible to the
United States. The Polish Government, in its infinite wisdom, believes
that you should have paid them handsomely for the issue of a Polish
passport and reserves the right to punish you for not doing so. Since
its their sovereign territory, they can do what they like. So can
Guinea-Bissau, Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone, North Korea, Libia, Syria,
Iraq and many other places where no sane person goes, unless they have
an extremely pressing reason to do so.
Stary Wiarus
sta...@hotmail.com
marcus
> >
> >Never mind making predictions -- it appears that you have
difficulties
> >reading the current temperature. My point of quoting the current
> >temperature in Gdansk was only to show the stark contrast between the
> >reality (59F) and your statements of 100 degree F (high 30s C)
weather
> >there.
> >
>
> You are taking one outlier and genralizing to a whole set of data.
Generalizing what? Which set of data? It looks like you have overexposed
your head to a high noon sun in that high 30C (100F+) weather somewhere.
> >It is possible that you have never been anywhere near Baltic coast.
As a
> >matter of fact you can go way south to French Rivera and all over the
> >Mediterranean cost and even there 100F+ temperatures are an
exception,
> >not the rule.
>
> I never said 100F weather is a rule you jackass. i said mid 20s to
30C
There may be several explanations why you would forgot what you wrote
only yesterday where you claimed that "It is not uncommon for
temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the high 30s Celsius". And high
30s Celsius is over 100F! One explanation may be simply that you're
being DUMB may not be a figure of speech after all.
> would be a much more common occurence than the weird weather this
> summer. But weather this summer was awful all over Europe almost.
What's wrong with the weather there? It has been picture perfect sunny
without a trace of cloud for past several days so temperatures are
relatively high and may continue to climb up in the next several days
since the forecast calls for continuation of perfectly sunny weather at
least for the next several days. For example today, after several days
of sunny weather, temperatures climbed to new relative high marks, as
far as Baltic cost is concerned, and in Szczecin the temperatures
climbed to a high of 61F (16C) with a mild (as for Poland) low of 52F
(11C) but in Gdansk there was a moment where the thermometer registered
as high as 64F (18C) with the low of 48F (9C).
With a weather like this you will never see many travelers canceling
their vacations in Hawaii and going to Poland instead but for residents
of Poland who normally see a lot of heavy dark clouds and rain during
summer this beautiful weather has been a pleasant surprising change and
they will enjoy it for several days more according to forecasts. With
the highs approaching 20 degree Centigrade mark (68F) some beachgoers in
Poland are even bravely leaving their "grajdolki" for few minutes a day.
miro...@iinet.net.au
Zeby bylo smieszniej, prosze Wiarusa, mam wlasnie przed soba list
od swojej krewniaczki, ktora jest w Polsce szefowa odpraw pasazerskich
w pewnych znanych na calym swiecie zagranicznych liniach lotniczych .
I jest calkowicie nieswiadoma istniejacego bajzlu obywatelsko
paszportowego. List w oryginalnej pisowni (duze litery obrazujace
oburzenie na moja nieznajomosc przepisow) przytaczam nizej, po
usunieciu z niego watkow osobistych:
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CZESC MIROSLAW! WYDRUKOWALAM ZALACZNIK I DZIS PRZEKAZE A...
BO MAM Z NIM SPOTKANIE O 1900. POZWOLILAM SOBIE PRZECZYTAC CO
NAPISALES W TYM LISCIE I CHYBA JEDNEJ SPRAWY NIE ROZUMIEM....
ALBO TY WYRAZNIE SIE MYLISZ.. JESLI MASZ PASZPORT AUSTRALIJSKI
TO NIE WIDZE PROBLEMOW ABYS Z TYM PASZPORTEM PRZYJECHAL,
OSOBISCIE,PRAWIE CODZIENNIE ODPRAWIAM PASAZEROW KTORZY
MOWIA PO POLSKU JAK TY I JA I PODROZUJA Z AUSTRALIJSKIM
PASZPORTEM NA TRASIE AUSTRALIA - POLSKA.
POLSKA USTAWA MOWI ZE NIE MOZNA UZYWAC DWOCH
PASZPORTOW TZN. JESLI WJEZDZASZ DO POLSKI NA PASZPORT
AUSTRALIJSKI TO PODCZAS POBYTU W POLSCE MASZ GO PRZEZ CALY
CZAS UZYWAC JAKO OBYWATEL AUSTRALIJSKI JAK ROWNIEZ ,
OPUSZCZAJAC POLSKE MUSISZ PRZEDSTAWIC TEN SAM
PASZPORT. TEN PRZEPIS UKAZAL SIE GDY WIELU POLAKOW ,
SZCZEGOLNIE NOWA EMEGRACJA Z POLSKI W USA, PRZYJEZDZA
DO POLSKI POKAZUJAC PASS POLSKI A WYJEZDZA POKAZUJAC
AMERYKANSKI....Z RESZTA , POLACY SA BADZO DUMNI ZE POSIADAJA
PO KILKA PASZPORTOW CHOC TO FALSZYWA DUMA BO TO NIE JEST
ZGODNE Z PRAWEM. KILKA PANSTW SZCZYCACYCH SIE
POSIADANIEM DUZYCH SKUPISK POLAKOW NA SWOIM TERENIE
W PEWNYM MOMENCIE WSCIEKLA SIE IWYWARLA NA POLSKIM
RZADZIE USTAWE O KTORE WYZEJ WSPOMNIALAM, MOTYWUJAC TO
TYM ZE ZE TYLKO W T4EN SPOSOB MOGA ZAGWARANNTOWAC
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W INNYM KRAJU W TYM PRZYP. W POLSCE. UWAZAM TO ZA JAK
NAJBARDZIEJ OK!!! A WIEC MIROSLAW, SKONTAKTUJ SIE Z AMB
POLSKA W AUSTR I ZAPYTAJ ILE CZASU POTRZEBUJESZ NA
ZALATWIENIE VIZY A POTEM TO TYLKO JAKIS BILET I P R Z Y J Z
D Z A J ! WHY NOT????? JESLI WYRAZNIE CI OPISALAM TE POLSKA
MUSTAWE, ZASTANOW SIE CZY NIE CHCESZ CZEGOS ZMNIENIC WE
WSTEPIE LISTU BO TO BRZMI CHYBA JAKOS NIEDOWIERZJACO.JESLI
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Moj list, do ktorego odnosi sie to dobitnie wielkoliterowe pouczenie
bedzie w nowym "KU" za piec dni czyli 29 b.m.
Chetnie przekaze krewniaczce kilka komentarzy dotyczacych tej
wypowiedzi, pod warunkiem ze beda cenzuralne i rzeczowe.
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Miroslaw Krupinski
http://worf.albanyis.com.au/~matuzal/Pegaz.htm
http://members.iinet.net.au/~miroslaw/KRAJ_UTRACONY.htm
http://members.iinet.net.au/~miroslaw/oberza.htm
Stary Wiarus
>
> Chetnie przekaze krewniaczce kilka komentarzy dotyczacych tej
> wypowiedzi, pod warunkiem ze beda cenzuralne i rzeczowe.
>
Niech pan nie oklada wyzwiskami biednej kobiety, ktora jest wyraznie nie z
tego swiata, tylko kaze jej przeczytac strony na
www.poloniamichigan.com/paszport_main.htm,
mirror: www.polindeks.com/paszport_main.htm
W koncu mysmy sobie tego wszystkiego nie wymyslili, tam jest pod
dostatkiem glosow krajowych
--
Stary Wiarus
sta...@hotmail.com
RPP
>"RPP" <le...@mail.netinc.ca> wrote in message
>news:39a460ac...@news.kwom.com...
>> >
>> >Never mind making predictions -- it appears that you have
>difficulties
>> >reading the current temperature. My point of quoting the current
>> >temperature in Gdansk was only to show the stark contrast between the
>> >reality (59F) and your statements of 100 degree F (high 30s C)
>weather
>> >there.
>> >
>>
>> You are taking one outlier and genralizing to a whole set of data.
>
>Generalizing what? Which set of data? It looks like you have overexposed
>your head to a high noon sun in that high 30C (100F+) weather somewhere.
>
Shows your stupidity that you dont know what i said.
>> >It is possible that you have never been anywhere near Baltic coast.
>As a
>> >matter of fact you can go way south to French Rivera and all over the
>> >Mediterranean cost and even there 100F+ temperatures are an
>exception,
>> >not the rule.
>>
>> I never said 100F weather is a rule you jackass. i said mid 20s to
>30C
>
>There may be several explanations why you would forgot what you wrote
>only yesterday where you claimed that "It is not uncommon for
>temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the high 30s Celsius". And high
>30s Celsius is over 100F! One explanation may be simply that you're
>being DUMB may not be a figure of speech after all.
>
not uncommon doent mean it is a rule. Get some lessons in English.
>> would be a much more common occurence than the weird weather this
>> summer. But weather this summer was awful all over Europe almost.
>
>What's wrong with the weather there? It has been picture perfect sunny
>without a trace of cloud for past several days so temperatures are
>relatively high and may continue to climb up in the next several days
>since the forecast calls for continuation of perfectly sunny weather at
>least for the next several days. For example today, after several days
>of sunny weather, temperatures climbed to new relative high marks, as
>far as Baltic cost is concerned, and in Szczecin the temperatures
>climbed to a high of 61F (16C) with a mild (as for Poland) low of 52F
>(11C) but in Gdansk there was a moment where the thermometer registered
>as high as 64F (18C) with the low of 48F (9C).
>
Europe has been dominated by a large low pressure system for over a
month now. That you dont know about it just proves your stupidity.
Emilia Wisniewska
> > (...)
> >So, if you are a Polish-American travelling on an American passport, you
> >might not be let out of Poland despite being clearly admissible to the
> >United States. The Polish Government, in its infinite wisdom, believes
> >that you should have paid them handsomely for the issue of a Polish
> >passport and reserves the right to punish you for not doing so. Since
> >its their sovereign territory, they can do what they like. So can
> >Guinea-Bissau, Congo, Liberia, Sierra Leone, North Korea, Libia, Syria,
> >Iraq and many other places where no sane person goes, unless they have
> >an extremely pressing reason to do so.
> >
> >Stary Wiarus
> >sta...@hotmail.com
>
> Zeby bylo smieszniej, prosze Wiarusa, mam wlasnie przed soba list
> od swojej krewniaczki, ktora jest w Polsce szefowa odpraw pasazerskich
>
> w pewnych znanych na calym swiecie zagranicznych liniach lotniczych .
> I jest calkowicie nieswiadoma istniejacego bajzlu obywatelsko
> paszportowego. List w oryginalnej pisowni (duze litery obrazujace
> oburzenie na moja nieznajomosc przepisow) przytaczam nizej, po
> usunieciu z niego watkow osobistych:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Moj list, do ktorego odnosi sie to dobitnie wielkoliterowe pouczenie
> bedzie w nowym "KU" za piec dni czyli 29 b.m.
>
> Chetnie przekaze krewniaczce kilka komentarzy dotyczacych tej
> wypowiedzi, pod warunkiem ze beda cenzuralne i rzeczowe.
>
A zgode na publikowanie jej listu masz?
Jesli tak to i tak dla formalnosci powienienes nadmienic ze ja masz.
A moze Ty wciaz po staremu uwazasz ze mozesz dysponowac jak chcesz prywatna korespondencja, co jest
w sprzecznosci z prawem miedzynarodowym, ktore sam tu opublikowales. Ono mowi ze korespondencja
prywatna jest zastrzezona do prywatnego uzytku, czyli innymi slowy jest uprzywilejowana. Tylko autor
moze Ci pozwolic ja opublikowac.
Czyzby moze ukryty ton krytyki za rzekome niezrozumienie juz pozwala Ci juz
jako 'Sedzimu wszechwaldnemu' publikowac prywatny list. Osoba najwyrazniej
nie pisze do sciepy a tylko do Ciebie.
Czyzbys wciaz uwazal sie za wlasciciela, jesli nie wszystkich, to
bardzo wielu kobiet i jednej jaszczurki?
A swoja droga Polonusy donosza ze nie ma klopogtu jesli sie systematycznie
przy wjedzie i wyjezdzie pokazyje amerykanski paszport.
Nowa ustawa nie jest w mocy jak by na to nie patrzec. Jakkolwiek
trudno zrozumiec jakim cudem ona o niej nie slyszala. Cos tu nie gra.
A moze poniewaz ustawa nie jest jeszcze w mocy w ogole urzednikom nie zawracano
jeszcze nia glowy, a kuzynka gazet nie czytuje. W ten sposob to troche pasuje.
Co to zamieszanie przy pomocy 'krewniaczki' teraz? Czy z 'krewniaczka' to nie grzech:)
EW
marcus
> >> You are taking one outlier and genralizing to a whole set of data.
> >
> >Generalizing what? Which set of data? It looks like you have
overexposed
> >your head to a high noon sun in that high 30C (100F+) weather
somewhere.
> >
>
I'm sorry it is hard for anyone to figure out that when you moronic
scrawny-assed puss-lipped douche bag use the word "you" in the above you
are referring to yourself :-) It would be simpler the next time to use
"I" when referring to yourself. Not only it would be simpler for us
reading it but you cerebrally-challenged pencil-necked puke-inducing
wench might finally realize where lies your stupidity.
> >There may be several explanations why you would forgot what you wrote
> >only yesterday where you claimed that "It is not uncommon for
> >temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the high 30s Celsius". And
high
> >30s Celsius is over 100F! One explanation may be simply that you're
> >being DUMB may not be a figure of speech after all.
>
> not uncommon doent mean it is a rule.[...]
The reason I have used quotes it is to point to YOU your own words which
you have apparently forgotten in few hours. It is you brain-dead
emaciated barforific shrew who wrote "it is not uncommon for
temperatures on Baltic beaches to be in the high 30s Celsius". Are you
dumbshit disagreeing with yourself now?
> >> would be a much more common occurence than the weird weather this
> >> summer. But weather this summer was awful all over Europe almost.
> >
> >What's wrong with the weather there? It has been picture perfect
sunny
> >without a trace of cloud for past several days so temperatures are
> >relatively high and may continue to climb up in the next several days
> >since the forecast calls for continuation of perfectly sunny weather
at
> >least for the next several days. For example today, after several
days
> >of sunny weather, temperatures climbed to new relative high marks, as
> >far as Baltic cost is concerned, and in Szczecin the temperatures
> >climbed to a high of 61F (16C) with a mild (as for Poland) low of 52F
> >(11C) but in Gdansk there was a moment where the thermometer
registered
> >as high as 64F (18C) with the low of 48F (9C).
> >
>
> Europe has been dominated by a large low pressure system for over a
> month now. That you dont know about it just proves your stupidity.
Apparently, it has been just the opposite you vacuous puny vomytrocious
slut. Poland's Baltic coast has been dominated by a high pressure system
for several weeks now and that's why they have nice warm (by Polish
standards of course) and completely sunny weather for a long time now.
According to forecasts the same high pressure system is supposed to
influence the weather at least for several days more. The best thing for
everybody, of course, is the fact that they don't let puny sluts like
you onto beaches there.
miro...@iinet.net.au
<art...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>A swoja droga Polonusy donosza ze nie ma klopogtu jesli sie systematycznie
>przy wjedzie i wyjezdzie pokazyje amerykanski paszport.
Polonusy to nie tylko mieszkancy USA gdzie wizy do Polski nie
obowiazuja. W innych krajach, skad wiza jest do Polski potrzebna,
ambasady wstrzymuja, w mysl ustawy, ich wydawanie obywatelom lub
domniemanym obywatelom polskim.
>Nowa ustawa nie jest w mocy jak by na to nie patrzec. Jakkolwiek
>trudno zrozumiec jakim cudem ona o niej nie slyszala. Cos tu nie gra.
Przepisy "nowej ustawy" (ktora faktycznie formalnie jeszcze nie
obowiazuje) byly praktycznie stosowane, jeszcze nawet przed jej
uchwaleniem przez Sejm, na lotnisku Okecie.
Co do "ludzi poslugujacych sie bez przeszkod paszportem amerykanskim w
obie strony" - to to jest wlasnie najwieksze osiagniecie ustawowe
rzadu. Wystarczy w komputerowych danych sluzb granicznych i
paszportowych oznaczyc ludzi ukrytym symbolem, numerem itp - aby przy
zachowaniu pozorow normalnej polityki paszportowej podzielic
podrozujacych poza Polska Polakow na "nietykalnych", "tykalnych",
"nierejestrowanych", "rejestrowanych", "ignorowanych" lub
"traktowanych surowo lecz zgodnie z litera prawa".
Co za raj dla sluzb specjalnych, starych struktur kierowanych przez
KGB, i wszelkich innych "swoich". Ustawa i komputer zalatwi wszystko.
Miroslaw
miro...@iinet.net.au
wrote:
>In article <39a4fa1d...@news.omen.com.au>, miro...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Chetnie przekaze krewniaczce kilka komentarzy dotyczacych tej
>> wypowiedzi, pod warunkiem ze beda cenzuralne i rzeczowe.
>>
>
>Niech pan nie oklada wyzwiskami
??? znalazl Pan takowe?
>biednej kobiety, ktora jest wyraznie nie z tego swiata, tylko kaze jej
>przeczytac strony na
>
>www.poloniamichigan.com/paszport_main.htm,
>
>mirror: www.polindeks.com/paszport_main.htm
Na to nie ma szans, jest rzeczywiscie przepracowana. Ale poradzilem
zby skontaktowala sie po linii zawodowej z MSZ i sluzbami granicznymi.
Juz wie ze nie miala o sprawie zielonego pojecia, choc pewnie jeszcze
nie wierzy w pelni w opisane przeze mnie praktyki.
Zacytowany przyklad nie byl wymierzony przeciwko krewniaczce
tylko przeciw MSZ i reszcie waaadz, ktore nie informujac wlasciwie
przediebiorstw uczestniczacych w organizacji podrozy, zastawiajac
pulapke paszportowa na pasazerow i potencjalnych pasazerow. Ze
skutkami jak w podanych przez Pana linkach.
miroslaw
nomad...@my-deja.com
patient <pat...@patient.com> wrote:
>
>
> nomad...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <sptqek...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "marcus" <ma...@veil.net> wrote:
> > > Passport needed to leave Poland? Why would anyone need any
passport to
> > > leave any country? The passports are needed to enter a country -
never
> > > to leave a country. Under communists Poland used to be known from
> > doing
> > > common sense things "differently" and there are tons of "dumb
Polish
> > > jokes" - this must be one of them.
> > >
> >
> > This is a rule in Canada and probably in USA too, but in different
> > context. It is not possible to leave Canada without passport and
visa
> > that will permit the entry at the destination.
>
> the country which issued this passport?
> Why can't people leave Poland based on the same rule?
>
> > to fly you back home for free if you are not admitted at the
> > destination.
>
I agree, this is how it should be. However every dual citizen should
remember that in Poland you will be treated like polish citizen only.
If polish law requires that a polish citizen needs polish passport to
leave the country nobody should expect different treatment because of
dual citizenship.
BTW this is what I can read in my Canadian passport:
"Canadians may have dual nationality through birth, descent, marriage
or naturalization. They are advised that while in the country of their
other nationality they may be subject to all its laws and obligation,
including military service."
I have been warned.
marcus
news:8ocjtb$r2j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> I agree, this is how it should be. However every dual citizen should
> remember that in Poland you will be treated like polish citizen only.
> If polish law requires that a polish citizen needs polish passport to
> leave the country nobody should expect different treatment because of
> dual citizenship.
No one needs any passport to leave a country. This is one of the most
basic "human rights" according to UN.
> BTW this is what I can read in my Canadian passport:
> "Canadians may have dual nationality through birth, descent, marriage
> or naturalization. They are advised that while in the country of their
> other nationality they may be subject to all its laws and obligation,
> including military service."
>
> I have been warned.
Having a dual nationality always will give you new rights and new
obligations but you never need any particular passport to LEAVE a
country. If you are citizen of more than one country you will have the
right to get more than one passport (with all the extra rights and
obligations) but you still would not need a passport to LEAVE a country.
The airline may want to see that you would have a passport or other
document allowing you to ENTER a particular country (this is because if
they don't check and you have no right to ENTER a country they have to
pay for your trip back).
--
Marcus
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marcus wrote:
>
> <nomad...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8ocjtb$r2j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > I agree, this is how it should be. However every dual citizen should
> > remember that in Poland you will be treated like polish citizen only.
> > If polish law requires that a polish citizen needs polish passport to
> > leave the country nobody should expect different treatment because of
> > dual citizenship.
>
> No one needs any passport to leave a country. This is one of the most
> basic "human rights" according to UN.
And according to the Constitution of the Republic of Poland, he shall
read it.
patient
nomad...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> BTW this is what I can read in my Canadian passport:
> "Canadians may have dual nationality through birth, descent, marriage
> or naturalization. They are advised that while in the country of their
> other nationality they may be subject to all its laws and obligation,
> including military service."
>
And if the Canadians warned you that in certain countries your
wallet may be stolen, would it mean that stealing wallets in that
country is legal or just?
A Canadian warning, is just what it is - a warning. It doesn't constitute
neither a foreign law (for example a Polish one), nor a justification of it.