Greeks Hit NATO Supply Lines
WolfWolf
The Guardian (UK)
April 30, 1999
By Helena Smith in Athens
Greek opposition to Nato's campaign intensified yesterday as protesters
targeted British troops, tanks and trucks travelling to join allied forces
in neighbouring Macedonia.
Some 200 British trucks carrying containers, and military vehicles found
themselves being pelted with fruit and vegetables after demonstrators moved
Nato road signs and redirected the convoy to an outdoor market in Salonika.
The northern city's port is the alliance's major transit point.
'We wanted to show in a humorous way that across Greece people don't like
what Nato is doing,' said Agapis Sahinis. 'The Serbs are our friends.'
Earlier, protesters blocked rail lines to stop a Skopje-bound train carrying
72 British tanks and 31 light armoured vehicles from leaving Salonika. The
equipment - part of the second British battle group currently being deployed
to Nato's base in Macedonia - had just been unloaded from a British
freighter, Sea Centurion.
Greek railway personnel last night threatened to strike if the country's
trains continued to transport Nato troops and supplies.
At the small international airport on Corfu, thousands of protesters staged
running battles with riot police after spotting Nato aircraft on the tarmac.
Corfu is being used as a transit point for aid to Albania.
The growing opposition has put the Greek government on the defensive. One
cabinet minister warned that the government could fall if Athens, which has
resolutely refused to participate in the military action, was asked to
provide logistical help for a ground invasion.
Although Greece is anxious to be seen as a loyal Nato member, 98 per cent of
its population support their Orthodox religious brethren in Serbia - a
country with which Athens has traditionally enjoyed warm ties. Anti-war
demonstrations have been vast and daily.
Some Greeks in the small but powerful Communist party (KKE) last week vowed
to join their 'beleaguered brethren' as human shields in Belgrade. Greek
mercenaries have gone to Kosovo to fight what many describe as a 'holy war'.
Yesterday, the United States ambassador to Athens, Nicholas Burns, formally
complained to the government after a series of attacks on local American
concerns. On Tuesday the urban Greek guerrilla group, Revolutionary Cells,
threatened to step up attacks against Western targets in Athens if the Nato
bombing continued.
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1999...
WolfWolf
"[nikiforos]" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Turkish Islamic Jihadist WolfWolf pulls propaganda
The Guardian: "propaganda".
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!
WolfWolf
The European
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happens, millions of Europeans will never want hordes of Islamics in their
union.
WolfWolf
> Weren't you busy strapping on a suicide-vest Mr. Bin Jihad?
Since when do you think I am belonging to those suicide bombers which are
supported by your church?
And who brought the 14 Jihad terrorists to Europe, you hypocrite??
Church supports martyrdom
Abu Dhabi |By Nissar Hoath | 20-06-2002
Martyrdom by Palestinian men and women is part of intifada, which serves
their struggle against Israeli atrocities and cannot be separated from their
liberation movement, said a visiting official of the Orthodox Church in
occupied Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
Addressing a packed crowd at the Zayed Centre for Coordination and Follow-Up
in the capital, Father Dr Attallah Hanna, official spokesman of the Orthodox
Church in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, said last night he supported
martyrdom by Palestinian men and women to fight for their just rights.
Father Attallah said the basic principle of all Palestinian political
parties is the continuation of intifada against Israeli atrocities.
Therefore, he said, the Church fully supports the uprising to achieve the
objectives of freedom from Israel.
Giving his full support to martyrdom, the spokesman of the Orthodox Church
in the Holy Land said: "As you know, political parties in Palestine agree to
the continuation of the intifada, which includes different approaches of
struggle.
"Some freedom fighters adopt martyrdom or suicide bombing, while others opt
for other measures. But all these struggles serve the continued intifada for
freedom. Therefore, we support all these causes."
He said Palestinian people should be steadfast in their struggle to be heard
by the world community.
The veteran prelate said Palestinian people have been forced to adopt
martyrdom by Israeli aggressors.
"It is the Israeli Zionist regime that is committing genocide in Palestine
by killing innocent women and children. Palestinian people have the right to
defend themselves from the Israeli barbarism and atrocities," Father
Attallah said.
"We are part of the intifada, so you don't expect us to keep distance and
watch. We are in the struggle, whether it's martyrdom or any other means, we
are part of it," he said.
Referring to the Christian community in Palestine, he said it was the
Israeli conspiracy to show the world that it was a Muslim struggle and
Christians and other community members had nothing to do with it.
"Let me make it clear that Muslims and Christians are one and cannot be
separated from the struggle for the liberation of Palestine. We are
Palestinians and Arabs," he said.
The Orthodox Church official further said Palestinian Christians have
suffered under Israeli Zionist rule as much as Muslims. He said Israeli
troops have been committing genocide against Palestinian Christians since
1948.
He said an Orthodox Church has been occupied by Israeli settlers for more
than 15 years, which itself shows how Palestinian Christians are suffering
under Israeli occupation.
"We are one people. Whether Muslims or Christians, we are Palestinians and
Arabs and we will continue our struggle till we achieve freedom," he assured
the Church supporters.
Referring to the number of Christians in Palestine, he said the number had
decreased due to forceful migration by Israeli troops since the occupation
of Arab lands.
"The current two per cent Christians in Palestine are an integral part of
our Muslim brothers. They are as loyal to the struggle as they are. There
have been pioneering leaders in the struggle for the freedom among
Christians in Palestine," he said.
"Our main aim is liberation of the occupied land with Jerusalem as the
Capital city of an independent Palestine. All the Arabs are Palestinians,
whether Muslims or Christians," Father Attallah said.
He said Israel, with its Western allies, portrays Palestinian issue as a
conflict between Jews and Muslims. "Let me tell the world that it is not the
issue. The conflict is between the truth and Israeli lies. If it was a
religious conflict, the Christians would not have come to the picture.
Christians are part and parcel of the Palestinian struggle for the freedom,"
he said.
[nikiforos]
WolfWolf
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1911609.stm
>
BBC was the ignoble winner of the Dishonest Reporting "Award" 2001.
http://www.honestreporting.com/Critiques/2002/49_bbc.asp
So much for BBC ...
WolfWolf
The European
[nikiforos]
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/04/07/News/News.46445.html
WolfWolf
Obsolete ... officially denied few days later by Israel and Turkish
Government.
How about this one? Greek(!) source. Government schoolbooks poisoning the
souls of Greek children ...
Antisemitism in Contemporary Greek Society
by
Daniel Perdurant
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ABSTRACT
The lack of any extensive research on the issue of antisemitism in
contemporary Greek society has led many to believe that there is no such
problem in that country. This article documents the existence of
antisemitism in various aspects of Greek society, and its development over
the past fifteen years.
INTRODUCTION
Notwithstanding occasional denials on the part of Greek government
officials, and even leaders of the Greek Jewish community, antisemitism does
exist in Greece, and this essay will focus on its development over the past
fifteen years in various aspects of Greek society, including religious
antisemitism, and that found in the educational, legal, and political
environment.1 The activities of the extreme right, major antisemitic
incidents, antisemitic publications, and previous attempts to expose
antisemitism in Greece are also noted. In addition, since in Greece the
meanings of "Israeli" and "Israelite" are commonly confused, "anti-Zionist"
attacks are almost always antisemitic, and several such instances are
documented throughout the text.
RELIGIOUS ANTISEMITISM
It would be impossible to examine the existence of religiously-inspired
antisemitism in Greece without first acknowledging the profound and
longstanding role that the Christian religion has played in that society.
Greeks consider Byzantium to be an integral part of their national history,
following the Ancient Greek period and immediately preceding the country's
modern revival in the early nineteenth century. Christianity played a
critical role in preserving Greek national identity during four centuries of
Ottoman rule, the Greek War of Independence, and the creation of a sovereign
Greek state.
The religious and ethnic homogeneity of the Greek population (today nearly
98 percent) is so strong that it became difficult for minorities to
integrate into the broader society. To this day, for example, many people
have difficulty understanding how one can be Greek and Jewish at the same
time. Freedom of religion is constitutionally guaranteed, but Orthodox
Christianity is the official state religion. There is legal separation of
Church and State, and the latter cannot interfere in the internal affairs of
the Church, for example, on matters of dogma, worship, clerical duties,
sermons, ecclesiastic discipline, and ordination.2
The Orthodox Church has long maintained an official position that recognizes
Judaism's contribution to Christianity and condemns antisemitism. Following
a number of antisemitic incidents that took place in Germany in 1959,
Archbishop Theoklitos of Athens issued a statement that strongly condemned
antisemitism: "I declare to the entire world that antisemitic acts, wherever
they may take place, are an antichristian act..., an anti-social act and
prove the existence of barbarism, inferiority, and inhumanity."3 At the
Centre de Documentation Juive Contemporaine in Paris, the pictures of
Archbishop Damaskinos and Athens Police Chief Angelos Evert can be seen in
the Greek section of the Holocaust exhibit. Evert provided Jews with false
identification papers, while Damaskinos is still revered by Jews for having
intervened with the Greek government and the German occupation authorities
on their behalf.4 In addition to his appeals, the Archbishop hid some Jews
and baptized others in order to save them from deportation. The church often
regards the contribution of Damaskinos and other members of the clergy who
endangered their own lives while protecting Jews as proof that it practices
what it preaches about Jews and antisemitism.
Without underrating these heroic acts of those who saved hundreds of Jews
from their German would-be murderers, there are still some in the church who
do exhibit anti-Jewish sentiments in spite of the fact that the church
leadership has never condoned antisemitic comments by members of the clergy.
Antisemites formerly or currently associated with the church often hide
behind opposition to Zionists and Chiliasts (also known as the Jehovah's
Witnesses). The latter are mistrusted because they do not recognize any
secular government or its symbols, and also engage in active proselytism,
which is illegal in Greece and extremely unpopular in a country of devoted
Orthodox Christians. "Zionism" is often described as a Jewish plot to take
over the world, and the Chiliasts are said to be a Jewish-founded,
Jewish-controlled instrument for the same purpose.
Antisemitic remarks are not always hidden behind other types of labels. For
example, in 1980 Panteleimon Caranikolas, the Metropolitan of Corinth,
published a blatantly antisemitic book entitled Jews and Christians, in
which he writes about the "power of the Jews [who] suck the blood of the
people." He considers the Jews to be citizens of the "State of Jewish
theocracy [Israel] and the World Zionist State" rather than their respective
countries of origin, and suggests that the Jews should be "grateful to
Christians" for the opportunity to live in predominantly Christian lands. In
addition, he blames the Jews for any prejudice against themselves -- since
he claims they have brought it on themselves because of their own conduct --
and cites as a source for many of his arguments the Protocols of the Elders
of Zion. 5
Metropolitan Panteleimon's views are not unique in the Orthodox Church. As
early as 1975, the Institute of Jewish Affairs reported several other
incidents of high-ranking church officials endorsing antisemitic arguments.6
Other instances include a "warning" published in the local newspaper of the
Holy Metropolis of Filippi and Neapolis, based in Kavala, with the title
"The Jehovah's Witnesses Are Instruments of International Zionism." Along
the same lines, the Metropolis of Chalkis circulated posters informing the
faithful that the Devil controls the Jehovah's Witnesses, for, among other
things, "they call Christ a liar...curse the Virgin Mary and the Saints, are
led by Jews and aim at destroying all religions and nations in order to
establish a world Jewish government (Zionism)." The poster urges people to
drive the enemies of Christ and Greece out of their villages, for they are
"worse than fire, cholera, snakes or wolves."7 Also deserving mention is
Metropolitan Augustine Kantiotis of Florina, whose hair-raising sermons have
often "exposed" a link between Jews, Zionism, and the Jehovah's Witnesses.8
Those who have published their antisemitic views may be identified, but
there are many others who perpetuate anti-Jewish prejudice primarily within
the boundaries of their own parish, contributing to a broad social ignorance
and mistrust of the Jews.
Besides individuals, organizations like Kosmas Flamiatos-Greek Orthodox
Union and St. Agathangelos Esfigmenites have published circulars which claim
to have uncovered "anti-Greek," "Zionist" or "Jewish" conspiracies in the
past, and have urged the deportation of traitors such as the Jews, Masons,
and Jehovah's Witnesses from Orthodox Greece. The group Orthodoxos Typos
puts out several religious publications in which the authors often remain
anonymous. Dynamis, which is only one of them, shows the group's
orientation: in an article entitled "The Jehovah's Witnesses are Instruments
of the Jews," the Jews are openly characterized as "anti-Greek, antichrist
Zionists dreaming of the achievement of World Jewish domination."9 The
Witnesses' leaders, it is claimed, are all Jews who have tried repeatedly to
destroy Christianity and enslave Greece. In this article, the usual
hypocritical distinction made between Jews and Zionists is omitted, and the
antisemitic mania of the authors is left undisguised. The Greek Orthodox
Church does not officially endorse the content of such publications and it
is not clear whether it maintains any formal relations with publication
societies such as Orthodoxos Typos, despite the proven support of such
organizations within the ranks of the clergy.
Soon, all citizens of the European Economic Community are to be issued new,
eight-digit identification cards (similar to U.S. social security cards);
ultra-religious groups in Greece have expressed fears that the cards will
include the "666"-- the sign of the antichrist (Rev. 13:18). Since 1992,
graffiti and posters have warned against the "new IDs of the Jews and
Masons" who supposedly control the EEC; a nun in Kozari wrote Jewish
Identification Cards, in which Jews were described as "an abominable,
murderous race" foreign to Greece and an instrument of Satan.10 Thousands of
copies of this 143-page book have been circulated free of charge in the
streets of Athens over the last couple of years.
The Orthodox Church maintains that the Holy Metropoles throughout Greece are
administratively independent, and thus there is no central authority with
power to control the sermons or actions of the respective metropolitans, nor
the publication of religious literature.
Still, the Orthodox Church does bear responsibility for what Jules Isaac
described as "l'enseignement du mepris" -- the teaching of contempt.11 Over
the centuries, Christians have been led to believe that the Jewish Diaspora
was proof of divine punishment for the crime of deicide; that Jewish
"hatred" for Christianity was eternal. The treachery attributed to Judas
led to a stereotyping of all Jews. The Metropolitan of Corinth, who wrote
that Jews suck the blood of the people and are themselves responsible for
anti-Jewish prejudice, called upon Jews "not to misunderstand" the
anti-Jewish references which remain in the Good Friday liturgy -- even
though similar references were removed from the Roman Catholic liturgy under
Pope John XXIII.12
ANTISEMITISM IN EDUCATION
The Greek educational system has a rather conservative structure, and is
under strict government control; the curriculum -- rich in both breadth and
depth -- is uniform for all public and private schools, and is determined by
the Ministry of Education. Textbooks (identical for both public and private
schools) are published by the state-owned OEDV. A religion course is
required in ten of the twelve grades. In the third grade, an elementary
version of the Old Testament is taught, while in the remaining nine years,
the New Testament and a variety of Christian theological themes are covered.
Because of the emphasis on Christianity presented from an Orthodox
viewpoint, non-Orthodox and non-Christian students are exempt from taking
the religion course. This exemption, unfortunately, can sometimes have the
effect of creating a "we" versus "they" attitude which can become the root
of many evils.
In 1988, a Central Jewish Board (CJB) Information Bulletin dealt extensively
with the issue of antisemitic texts found in state school textbooks. The CJB
had appealed several times to the Ministry of Education and Religious
Affairs, but although the ministers occupying the post over the years have
shown some interest in the matter, the Pedagogical Institute (responsible
for actually implementing any changes) has refused to deal with the issue.
The CJB stated that the antisemitic texts published in government
schoolbooks show that "not only is the poisoning of the souls of Greek
children consciously pursued, but clear consititutional provisions
protecting religious and other minorities are violated." A lengthy list of
examples, with the CJB's comments on each, was included in their report.13
Although it was asserted that original works included in textbooks should
not be changed, the CJB pointed out that a text by Stratis Myrivilis which
appeared in a Greek literature textbook had been edited: sixteen lines
describing the behavior of Christian clergy had been omitted. It would seem
that when Christian believers might take offense, editing is deemed
suitable, while no such action is taken when the Jewish religion is
insulted, wrote the CJB. One particular text received a substantial amount
of attention in the CJB report. Appearing in an eleventh grade modern
literature text is a poem by C. Karyotakis, "To the Statue of Liberty
Lighting the World," which includes the verses:
Liberty, Liberty, you will be bought
By merchants and consortia and Jews14
This is one of the poet's lesser-known works, yet after a barrage of letters
requesting the poem's removal from the textbook, the Pedagogical Institute
decided there was "no well-founded, serious reason for the replacement of
this poem."15 The CJB continued to put pressure on the Institute to reverse
their decision, but their efforts were unavailing. It may be that the poem
was retained for political motives, for it is anti-American, presenting the
Statue of Liberty Lighting the World as a symbol of hypocrisy, a view
consistent with the platform of the Socialist Party (PASOK) in the early
1980s in its opposition to NATO, the EEC, and "American imperialism." It is
beside the point whether the poem's antisemitic nature was welcomed or
apathetically seen as a harmless consequence. What does matter is the
tolerance that the government so openly showed towards antisemitism.
In 1990, when the Conservative New Democracy Party came to power, there was
hope that a reevaluation of the state school textbooks might take place.
Although there were changes in the Ministry of Education and Religious
Affairs, and the President of the Pedagogical Institute was replaced, the
1992 edition of the modern Greek literature text continued to retain the
questionable Karyotakis poem. In October 1993, PASOK returned to power,
making textbook revision a still-distant prospect.
Implementing changes in textbooks, however, should not depend on the
political party in power. What is really needed is an effort to create a
more liberal, multi-dimensional educational system, that would contribute to
broader understanding, respect, and acceptance of minorities, within the
dominant Orthodox Christian culture of Greece.
LEGISLATION AND JUSTICE
In 1979, the first law against discrimination due to racial or national
origin was passed. Law 927 specifically stated that
whoever intentionally and publicly instigates, either orally or in the press
or through written texts or illustrations or through any other means, acts
of activities capable of provoking discrimination, hatred or violence
against persons or a group of persons, only due to their racial or national
origin, is punishable by imprisonment of up to two years or a fine or
both....16
Those penalties also applied to "whoever creates or participates in
organizations pursuing organized propaganda or engaging in any other
activity of any kind aimed at racial discrimination." The penalties of one
year in prison and/or a fine were provided for "whoever publicly
expresses...ideas offensive to any person or groups of persons due to their
racial or national origin."17 Five years later, after repeated appeals by
the Central Jewish Board of Greece, the socialist PASOK party supported a
revision of Law 927: the new version, Law 1419, specified that
discrimination on the basis of religion is also punishable and should be
added to the "racial and national origin" clauses of Law 927.18
The two laws protecting minority rights have rarely been enforced, however.
Greek courts have upheld the bizarre notion that any antisemitic references
to "the Jews" were not specific enough. On one occasion, the Central Jewish
Board filed a lawsuit against the antisemitic newspaper Stochos; the outcome
of the trial was still uncertain when the two sides reached a compromise in
which the suit was dropped in exchange for a printed apology, yet as noted
by the CJB, the paper carried on with its policy of "uncovering Jewish
plots." Such propaganda in the press might well "provoke discrimination,
hatred or violence" against the Jews as a whole, but little is done to stop
it. Law 1419 bans membership in organizations that engage in organized
propaganda against minorities, yet there has been no attempt to disband such
groups, though their activities are hardly secret.
In 1984, an unprecedented court decision outraged Jews throughout Greece and
showed the extent to which antisemitic propaganda had infiltrated Greek
society. A lawsuit was filed by the Greek Orthodox Church of Crete against
the Jehovah's Witnesses, who had established the Christian Church of the
Witnesses of Jehovah of Crete under union status. The Orthodox Church
demanded the revocation of the Witnesses' legal status, claiming that the
original court decision which had granted the group that status was
inconsistent with the articles of the Greek constitution and other laws
regarding religion, proselytism, acceptable customs, and public order. The
court decision was overwhelmingly in favor of the Orthodox Church, and its
multi-page decision made alarming reading for Jews:
Chiliasm not only constitutes an anti-Christian and anti-Greek organization,
but is in fact...aiming at the creation of a world theocratic Jewish-Zionist
state.... It is not a religion; it is an international organization of
political and economic nature belonging to Judaism, distorting in the worst
possible way the teaching of the incarnate God, and attempting to create a
world Zionist empire based in Jerusalem. The Witnesses are either
consciously or subconsciously the instruments of Satan, claim that Greece
made no contribution to civilization, hope for the destruction of the
Christian world and accept no homeland other than Israel.19
Primary sources cited in the decision include publications of some of
Greece's most notorious antisemites, such as Bakoyiannis, Passas, and
Psaroudakis (the translator of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion).
In 1987, the court decision was revised to exclude any allegations
connecting the Jehovah's Witnesses to the Jewish religion.20
Greece has passed no antisemitic legislation, and the safety of Jews and
their property is protected by law, yet it is clear that gaps exist in the
legal protection of Jews against slanderous verbal attacks. It is of
paramount importance that the laws on discrimination should be enforced more
stringently in the future, lest the publication of antisemitic propaganda
result in the creation of a potentially dangerous climate in the country.
POLITICAL ANTISEMITISM
The conservative New Democracy party, the socialist PASOK party, and the
Communist party are the three main political forces that have determined the
balance of power in Greece over the past two decades. Party politics have
naturally played a role in each side's view of the State of Israel, and
since Greeks often confuse the terms "Israeli" and "Israelite," anti-Israel
or anti-Zionist remarks have often developed into clearly anti-Jewish
attacks and contributed to the creation of a strongly antisemitic climate.
The communists, for example, have always viewed the United States as a
trigger-happy imperialist monster with Israel as its Middle East agent. An
"anti-Zionist" stance has been an integral part of communist policy, with
occasional "slips" in which Jews per se are blamed for various offenses.
Although the socialist party PASOK typically denounced antisemitism, it too
was sometimes embroiled in anti-Jewish controversy. Only months before
PASOK's rise to power in 1981, a Greek Jew, Raphael Moissis, was appointed
head of the state-owned power company. It was immediately (and falsely)
alleged that Moissis has served as a major in the Israeli army during the
Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War, and that his allegiance lay with Israel
rather than Greece. PASOK MPs Kassimatis, Papageorgopoulos, and Cretikos
brought the issue before Parliament, suggesting that "Moissis's activities
render him unsuitable to run even the least important public enterprise, let
alone the strategically significant power company."21 The incident shocked
the Jewish community, who felt reason to fear PASOK's future stand towards
them.
In a July 1982 article, published following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon,
Yannis Loulis, a reporter for the daily Mesimvrini, accused the
pro-socialist press of encouraging antisemitism. He cited articles in
Eleftherotypia, which spoke of "Israeli Nazis"; Ta Nea, which called the
Israelis "worthy descendents of Hitler"; and Ethnos, in which a front page
headline declared that the "Israelis have surpassed the Nazis." "Have those
who compare the Israelis to the Nazis lost every sense of measure, or is
their hatred for the Jews vast enough to have distorted even their most
elementary sense of logic?" Loulis asked.22 In the article he cited a letter
written by a listener which was read on the state-owned
(socialist-controlled) radio, encouraging a massive boycott against
Jewish-owned stores in Greece; the appeal had also been printed in Ta Nea. A
member of the board of directors of ERT (Greek Radio-Television) asked
people to "show through our contempt the disgust we have for the cold
silence of Jewish intellectuals [regarding the Lebanese situation]";
suggesting a boycott of Jewish performers who might visit Greece, and
barring Jewish athletes from competing in the 1982 European Games to be held
in Athens. The same person implicitly warned Greek Jews "not to provoke
Greek public sentiment" by siding with the Israelis. Less than a month
later, Loulis wrote again about antisemitism that was being encouraged by
PASOK.23 Avriani, a strongly pro-socialist newspaper, published a front page
article with the title "Jews Behind the Fires," blaming "Jewish circles who
have great hatred for the Prime Minister," and concluding that recent forest
fires were part of "a Zionist plot aimed at turning Greece into a new
Lebanon."24
In a public statement, Prime Minister Papandreou openly compared the
Israelis to the Nazis.25 Later, in an attempt to repair the damage, he
declared in 1983 that "Greek Jews are an integral part of the Greek people
and the government is determined to take whatever measures necessary to deal
with anisemitic incidents.26 That same year, however, PASOK MP Ioannis
Koutsoyannis inundated the Greek Parliament with a nearly incoherent flood
of antisemitic remarks, praising the book Zionist Conspiracies, written by a
notorious Greek antisemite, and blaming "the Jews, the Masons, the CIA and
[former Israeli Defense Minister] Moshe Dayan" for preparing and
coordinating the April 1967 military coup that took place in Greece.27 These
remarks were made in the presence of the Prime Minister, and the speaker was
heartily applauded by his socialist colleagues.
In 1986 an ordinary session of the Athens City Council received national --
and international -- attention because of comments made by socialist mayor
Dimitris Beis. At one point during the session, there was some noise and
confusion, which the mayor described as a "havra"-- an insulting term which
equates noise and tumult with Jews praying in unison in the synagogue.The
mayor defended his remarks, and mocked those who protested. An article in
Apoghevmatini noted that at the time when Jews were being blamed for
everything from forest fires to the Chernobyl meltdown, the mayor could
expose his prejudice openly without concern about losing votes from a few
Jewish citizens.28 Beis's comments were noted by New York Mayor Ed Koch, in
his New York Post article about Greek antisemitism.29
Such attitudes within the ranks of PASOK led to an unthinkable political act
at the end of 1988. Following a judicial investigation, the Athens Court of
Appeals and the Greek Supreme Court decided that Abdel Osama Al-Zomar, an
alleged Palestinian terrorist apprehended in Greece, should be extradited to
Italy to face charges of bombing the Synagogue of Roma in October 1982,
injuring thirty-four people and killing a three-year-old child. Greek
Justice Minister V. Rotis used his authority to overrule the court
decisions, stating that Osama's acts were part of the "Palestinian people's
struggle for liberation of their homeland, and therefore cannot be
considered as acts of terrorism." He compared the act of terrorism to
anti-Nazi resistance during World War II. Osama was allowed to fly to Libya.
The Central Jewish Board, other Jewish and non-Jewish organizations
inundated Greek embassies with telegrams condemning Osama's release, and the
Washington Post wrote that Greece had already rolled out a red carpet for
terrorists.30
The outcome of the Osama affair came as a shock in spite of the previous
record of antisemitism demonstrated by certain PASOK officials and the
pro-socialist press. Papers like Avriani and Ethnos have a mixed record,
sometimes speaking out against antisemitism, yet also at times engaging in
antisemitic or anti-Zionist propaganda. For example, in 1985, a front page
article in Avriani accused the leader of the opposition, Mitsotakis of the
New Democracy Party, of "selling off the state-owned telecommunications,
power, waterworks and railway companies to the Jews," who were said to be "
agents of foreign interests."31
PASOK fell from power in 1989 amid a flood of allegations of wire-tapping,
fraud, and embezzlement, but made a comeback much sooner than most observers
thought possible. Papandreou remained at the party's helm, emerging from
what had appeared to be irreparable damage to his image, and led the
Socialists to victory in a thousand days. Papandreou now leads the country
in a world which has changed considerably. His party may well become more
moderate in its approach towards Jews in view of the new European realities,
and the threat from the extreme right. The recent high-profile results of
the Middle East peace talks will perhaps make the anti-Zionist rhetoric a
thing of the past.
Unlike PASOK, the conservative New Democracy Party has rarely given the Jews
cause for alarm. Prime Minister Mitsotakis recognized Israel in 1990, and
individuals within New Democracy's ranks have shown sensitivity towards
problems of an antisemitic nature. In 1982, for example, it was five
conservative MPs who brought the issue of antisemitism to Parliament
following indiscriminate leftist attacks on Israel and on Greek Jews alike.
The conservative press has often defended Israel following socialist and
communist anti-Zionist attacks, yet the largest conservative daily,
Eleftheros Typos, recently published several interviews with Maria Dourakis,
a singer who publicly describes Jews as the instruments of Satan. The paper
also defended Jean-Marie Le Pen during his visit in June 1993 to Corfu for a
convention of right wing extremists, saying that he was not half as bad as
most communist dictators, and that his message, supported by one out of ten
Frenchmen, at least deserved to be heard.
EXTREME RIGHT ORGANIZATIONS AND THE PRESS
In spite of the blow that organized antisemitism received after the Nazi
defeat in 1945, it has survived and made a resurgence in Greece during the
1980s. In recent years, many antisemites have sought legitimacy under the
banner of "political" parties or organizations that seem to have the
promotion of antisemitism as their sole purpose. Most of these groups are at
the extreme right of the political spectrum; only a few are neo-Nazi. Three
types of antisemitic organizations are presented here, quite different from
each other in ideology and practice, though they are united in a conscious
effort to alienate the Jews and contribute to the creation of an antisemitic
climate in Greece.
Religious antisemitism briefly entered the political arena as part of
Christian Democracy, a party that has little in common with its European
counterparts of the same name. Its only success was the one-time election of
party leader Nikos Psaroudakis to the Greek Parliament in 1985, achieved
through a cooperation agreement with the Socialist PASOK party. Psaroudakis
is one of the most notorious of Greek antisemites, whose activities have
included the translation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion into Greek.
The party promised to lead the Orthodox Christian country away from the
miserable traps of Zionism and its satanic, antichrist instruments, the
Jews, and incarnated religious antisemitism into a political form, hoping
for greater exposure and the legitimacy that party labels often provide.
A recent article in the Greek daily Eleftheros Typos looked at the origins
of the right extremist groups in Greece.49 The group "August 4th" (named
after the date of the establishment of a dictatorship in Greece in 1936) is
considered by the author to be the precursor of subsequent groups. August
4th was founded by Kostas Plevris in 1960, and its members were appointed to
various (mostly minor) government posts following the 1967 military coup.
The group maintained ties to Italian neo-fascist groups and to Libya's
Muamar Kadafi (who had once trained in Greece as a young officer). Plevris
was jailed for financial scandals just before the restoration of democracy;
his group was disbanded and reorganized under the name "Movement." In 1977,
the Movement merged with Stefanos Stefanopoulos's National Party, only to
withdraw two years later to form ENEK, or the United Nationalist Movement.
The group, led by Andreas Dendrinos managed to take control of ENEK's
publishing house, Eleftheri Skepsis (Free Thought).
ENEK maintained offices in many Greek cities for years, and although spray
paint was widely used by party members to make their presence known, the
party itself kept a low profile. Its publishing house put out dozens of
antisemitic books, including some which denied the Holocaust, and others
"exposing" the many evils that Jews have brought on earth. The party is no
longer active politically, but the publishing house and bookstore are still
operated by Vladimiros Psiakis and Andreas Dendrinos (who also makes regular
appearances on a private television channel). Small private television
channels, notably TeleCity, TeleTora, and more recently, Channel 67, have
given antisemites a new forum, though these channels are not exclusively
antisemitic in their programming. Kostas Plevris is one who appears
regularly voicing nationalist themes, with antisemitic propaganda.
Another bookstore and publishing house, Nea Thesis (New Position) is also
located on Hippokratous Street (neo-Nazi bookstore heaven), and is
controlled by John Schinas.
EPEN was the first nationalist party to show electoral strength, gaining 2%
of the vote in the 1986 municipal elections, though it later lost strength,
and joined Ethniko Komma (National Party).
A party which does not hide its enmity for Jews is Ethniko Metopo (National
Front), led by M. Konstas. This until recently unknown group circulated a
large number of fliers and stickers in Athens, which read "Jews Killers of
the People," "Condemn the Recognition of Israel," and "[Greece] Out of the
EEC of Jews and Capitalists." The party's organized propaganda attempts may
be evidence of significant financial backing. Ethniko Metopo has not
appeared in national elections as of yet, so it is difficult to determine
whether it is a political party, or merely an antisemitic organization. It
also publishes a magazine, Metopo (Front); its youth organization, headed by
Dimitris Artzetakis, publishes Nea Tasis (New Tendency).
Antisemitism has always been the heart and soul of neo-Nazi organizations,
of which Greece has its share. Most groups are small and poorly organized,
given to decorating the streets with swastikas. Chrysi Avghi (Golden Dawn),
however, is well-financed, although it is unclear from what sources.33 The
group is headed by Nikos Mihaldiskos, and produces a weekly newspaper
published by Christos Pappas. A few years ago, when the European Jewish
Congress convened in Athens, Chrysi Avghi published a flier entitled "[Say]
No to the Zionist Provocation," which called the Jews the "eternal enemy of
our people who have the audacity to speak of persecution and antisemitism."
People were urged to join the organization in order to "drive the Zionist
snake our of their home." An address for potential new members to contact
was provided. The group is not a secret organization, but has offices in
several Greek cities. In addition to fliers and red-black-and-white stickers
bearing the group's neo-Nazi logo and slogans such as "Zionism is our
Misfortune," Chrysi Avghi also began publishing a monthly magazine of the
same name. Nazi leaders have often appeared on the cover, while Jews have
been the topic of discussion in the articles. A 1988 issue denied the
Holocaust, citing several "revisionist historians" and other "reliable
sources" and stated that the death of some tens of thousands of Jews in
bloodshed which they themselves had provoked should come as no surprise.34
In 1994 the group ran unsuccessfully in the European Parliamentary
elections.
THE ANTISEMITIC PRESS AND OTHER LITERATURE
Any reference to organized antisemitism in Greece would be incomplete
without a glance at what is being published. The oldest and most notorious
antisemitic newspaper is Stochos, which published the Protocols of the
Elders of Zion in their entirety in serial form.35 As a weekly, the
newspaper hangs in the kiosks for five or six days, therefore giving it
greater exposure. It sells only a few thousand copies in all of Greece, and
just as many abroad, but it is quite easy to find due to an aggresive
distribution network. A front page story in 1987 called the Jewish festival
of Hanukkah "a celebration of hatred against Greeks," while a 1988 cover
featured a picture of Israeli soldiers under the title "The Beasts Who
Crucified Christ Are Now Exterminating the Orthodox."36 In its pages,
"Zionists" have been accused of leading the young into homosexuality and
drug use, and the paper questions the allegiance of Greek Jews to their
native land. Stochos at one point was engaged in something of a contest of
antisemitism with the right wing paper Eleftheri Ora, with each reproaching
the other for not being eager enough in its fight against the Jews in a
near-comical swap of accusations. Eleftheri Ora's publisher, G.
Michalopoulos, also publishes a smaller paper, Nei Anthropi, in which a
typical front page article was entitled "Jewish Human Sacrifice," and
providing "proof" of the familiar blood libel.37
Well-known Greek antisemites have authored a number of books about Zionism
and the Jews; Ioannis Fourakis and Andreas Dendrinos argued that there is a
constant battle between Zionism and Hellenism, and wrote about alleged
Zionist conspiracies. Kyriakos Diakoyannis wrote several books about the
"human piranhas," which were printed in several editions after having sold
out.38 Ioannis Passas included several antisemitic articles in the scholarly
encyclopedia Helios which he edited, and followed that with a book to
further "document" his case against "Jewish Zionism, one of the greatest
enemies of Hellenism, Christ, and Civilization."
ENEK's Eleftheri Skepsis published an entire series of books similar to and
including Dietrich Eckart's Zionism from Moses to Lenin, based on the
English translation which had been published by White Power Publications in
the United States that was based on the 1924 edition published in Nazi
Germany.39
Other Athens publishers have printed the works of foreign antisemites, and
such literature is not difficult to find in bookstores in the heart of the
city.
Organized antisemitism has made significant advances in the last decade, and
the current pattern points to further growth and evolution, particularly if
Greek antisemites find additional funding for their activities. The best
possible way to limit further resurgence of organized antisemitism may be to
enforce the laws which currently exist against it.
ANTISEMITIC INCIDENTS
Although few antisemitic incidents are recorded in Greece compared to other
European nations, they are still notable.
Slogans against Jews have long decorated the streets of every Athens
neighborhood, from the port of Piraeas to the elegant suburb of Kifissia and
beyond. The medium of choice is black spraypaint or markers, although in
recent years, stickers have become more prominent.
In the archives of the Central Jewish Board, one can find typical slogans:
"Greeks kill the Jews"; "Jews to the ovens" (Thessaloniki, May 1980);
"Deport the Jews," "Bomb the synagogue" (Athens, March 1983); "Jews you will
die" (Maroussi, April 1987); "Death to the Jews" (Kefalari, 1990); and many
more, accompanied by a swastika or other neo-Nazi symbol. Some slogans
demonstrate their origins among the ultra-religious: "Jews = Antichrist," or
"No to the new [EEC-issued] ID cards of the Jews and Masons" (Kifissia,
1993). Such slogans are often accompanied by others such as "Jesus saves,"
or "Orthodoxy shall prevail."
More serious acts of vandalism, almost certainly the work of right wing
extremist elements have been known to occur from time to time, such as the
incident that took place in Volos on July 26, 1987.40 Swastikas, threats,
and slogans were spray-painted on the synagogue, as well as the windows of
several Jewish-owned stores, one of which was smashed. In a letter to the
police commissioner, the local Jewish community expressed fears that similar
or more serious incidents might occur in the future, threatening the safety
of Jews and their property. In an equally disturbing incident in 1989, a
Jewish memorial was smashed by perpetrators who were never caught. The
memorial was a marble plaque at the Lianokladi railway station in memory of
5,000 Jews who were forced by the Germans to build railway tracks in 1943,
and were subsequently sent to their deaths in concentration camps.41
Such incidents are usually committed in the dark, but one incident took
place openly in 1989; it occurred in Germany, but the protagonists were
Greek. While the European Championship Cup basketball matches were taking
place in Munich in April, the players of Maccabi Tel Aviv went to visit the
site of the nearby Dachau concentration camp. Greek hooligans, fans of Aris
Thessaloniki, were waiting for them there, shouting "Hitler served you
right," "Heil Hitler," and "Jewish pigs, we'll turn you into soap."42 To any
one who has lived in Greece, the incident is far from surprising. Such
catcalls of Greek fans towards Israelis, usually at basketball games, go
unnoticed, but the Dachau affair was too blatant to dismiss. It was
embarrassing for the Greek government, which swiftly issued a statement
condemning the act.43 A day later, the Jerusalem Post stated that the Greek
press had "unanimously condemned" the occurrence, but the condemnation was
not always untainted.44 The large socialist daily, Eleftherotypia, for
example, condemned the events, but also suggested that Maccabi was
"glorifying the Zionist propaganda of the modern Israeli state," and stated
that Maccabi had political rather than athletic aims, in an attempt to
remind the world of "Israel's superiority in the Middle East."45
Outside of the petty attempts to discredit what was clearly labeled the
"Jewish team," the vast majority of the Greek press was harsh in its
condemnation: many articles express disgust and rage at the behavior of the
Greek "fans," and suggested that perhaps Greeks were not as immune to racist
sentiment as they thought or claimed to be. People tended to ignore such
occurrences, or discount them as unimportant. Be it denial or indifference,
the consequences were the same, and for once had received wide exposure.46
ATTEMPTS TO EXPOSE ANTISEMITISM IN GREECE
Attempts to expose racism, antisemitism, and xenophobia in Greece itself
seem to pass unnoticed. However, when such topics are reported outside of
Greece, opposition is strong and vocal, as if it were a kind of treason to
admit to the "the world" the existence of such problems in Greece. Reaction
against articles in the foreign press come not only from the government, but
often from the Jewish community itself.
In April 1988, an article in Politis magazine touched upon a general
aversion to the "antichrist" Jews, as well as prejudice against other ethnic
and minority groups. It spoke of contempt, nationalism, a sense of
superiority, and outright racism as characteristics that are alive in Greece
today.47 In an article that appeared in the following year in the large
daily Eleftherotypia, Andreas Christinidis wrote specifically about the
phenomenon of antisemitism in Greece, focusing largely on the Socialist
government's tolerance and/or encouragement of the phenomenon.48 Ironically,
the article was published only a few days before the antisemitic incident
involving the Greek hooligans in Munich. Christinidis denounced the ugly
status quo, and foretold its perpetuation.
As early as 1985, Dr. Panayiotis Dimitras published a significant article in
Foreign Policy in which he discussed the anti-Western orientation that
Greece had assumed since the ascent of the Socialists to power. He touched
upong the "latent anti-Semitism of Greek public opinion" and its
expressions. Dr. Dimitras spoke of the notion of the existence of a "Jewish
conspiracy," the image of the Jews as "Christ-killers," the comparison of
the Israeli intervention in Lebanon to Nazi atrocities, and the
"Nazi-inspired slogans that some Greek fans chant during Greek-Israeli
sporting events." Also cited was an unpublished 1984 public opinion poll
conducted in Athens by Eurodim. According to the survey, most Greeks believe
"that the Jews dominate the political and economic life in the United States
and Europe [and] more than half of those agree that this domination harms
their own country as well as other lands."49 In response, Stavros
Frangopoulos, Press Counselor at the Greek Embassy in Washington, D.C.,
wrote a letter to the editor citing Greek solidarity with its Jewish
population during the German occupation. Frangopoulos also criticized the
Eurodim polling firm, claiming that "it is not well-known in Greece" and its
data is unreliable. Eurodim, founded by Dimitras, has published polls in
numerous large newspapers and magazines both in Greece and abroad, and has
conducted surveys on behalf of the mainstream political parties, a number of
government ministries, the Orthodox Church, the European Community, and
several academic institutions.
In subsequent years, other Eurodim polls supported Dimitras's original
arguments. In 1986, Hellenobarometer, a survey conducted in the greater
Athens area every six months, painted a grim picture. 57% of Greeks said
that they did not trust the Jews; while 41% would avoid having a Jewish
boss; 43% would avoid a Jewish doctor; and 49% would not vote for a Jewish
candidate for Parliament.50 Similarly, a December 1988 Hellenobarometer poll
found that 71% of Greeks had a "somewhat or strongly unfavorable" opinion of
the Jews.51 A full year later, in November of 1989, the European Commission
published a report on racism and xenophobia based on opinion polls conducted
in each country in the European Economic Community. ICAP Hellas conducted
the polling in Greece. 17% of Greeks (the third highest percentage in the
EEC) reported being bothered by the presence of people of other races,
religions, or nationalities; 44% were in favor of restrictions on the rights
of immigrants. The questions included in the EEC's Eurobarometer poll were
far broader in scope and content in order to cover issues applicable to all
twelve countries, and did not include questions about specific minority
groups.52
Shortly after the 1986 Eurodim poll, New York Mayor Ed Koch wrote an article
in the New York Post in response to the bombing of the statue of President
Truman in Athens, and the Greek government's decision not to re-erect it.
Koch stated that the government's action was an indication that Greece was
moving away from democratic principles, and that "other symptoms" pointed in
that direction as well. "Other symptoms" referred to antisemitism, and the
mayor cited the antisemitic outburst by Athens Mayor Dimitras Beis, the 1984
Eurodim poll cited by Dimitras in Foreign Policy, and insinuated that Greek
attitudes towards Jews may have contributed to the murder of Greek Jews by
the Germans during World War II.53 In reaction to this, the Greek press
especially disputed the claim that Greek antisemitism may have facilitated
the Holocaust in Greece, and spoke of a "hidden agenda" and deliberate
attempt by Koch to harm Greece. The Central Jewish Board also condemned
Koch's position, and vehemently denied the existence of antisemitism in
Greece. It disputed the results of the 1984 Eurodim poll on grounds that "a
sample of 500 cannot possibly be representative of the population." This
reaction is surprising, given the fact that Koch's comments were both
careless and tactless in tone. Nonetheless, much of what the mayor stated
was quite accurate, and it would have been far more constructive had it been
presented in an appropriate manner.
Generally speaking, denial is still the most common way of dealing with the
question of antisemitism in Greece. Those who have had the courage to report
on it, mostly Greek journalists, deserve praise, for recognizing a problem
is the first step in finding solutions. Yet the existence of antisemitism in
Greece is still disputed, even by the leadership of the Jewish community,
which has attempted to keep a low profile in Greek society. Any attempts at
exposing Greek antisemitism have met with sturdy opposition.
LINKS BETWEEN TERRORISM AND ANTISEMITISM
The few well-known terrorist organizations that currently operate in Greece
are very proficient; their targets have included notable politicians,
foreign diplomats, army personnel, and foreign corporations. There have been
only a few narrow escapes, and no group members have been identified or
arrested. Proclamations issued following a hit have fiercely attacked the
United States, capitalism and imperialism. The two most notorious guerilla
groups that have operated successfully in Greece at the ELA (People's
Revolutionary Struggle) and 17N ("November 17," named after the date of the
revolt against the military dictatorship that power following the 1967
coup).
A five-page statement issued by ELA in 1982 was indicative of the group's
antisemitic, as well as anti-Israel, stance. Issued following the bombing of
three American banks, a company importing Israeli-made solar systems, and a
Jewish-owned travel agency, it referred to Israel as a "criminal religious
state," which is a creation of the Americans and the world
capitalist-imperialist system. It warned against those who "sometimes
present themselves as Israelis and sometimes as Greeks...and maintain
separate communities, schools, churches, representatives, rabbis, summer
camps...and even a separate place for their corpses." It further attacked
the existence of separate Jewish communities, and the "incredible
privileges" that they enjoy while serving the interests of Israel.54
Anti-Israel statements were not surprising in the wake of the Israeli
invasion of Lebanon. The Greek Jewish community was alarmed by the
proclamation's attack on the Jewish religion, institutions and way of life
in view of ELA's proven ability to carry out its threats. Though operating
separately, 17N has publicly praised the ELA for its revolutionary
activities. 55
Links between 17N and Palestinian organizations was demonstrated in 1991,
following a failed attempt to bomb the British consulate in Patras. Four
Palestinians were arrested in Thessaloniki; the weapons in their possession
were shown to be identical to those used by 17N. Continuing interrogations
further indicated that some terrorist strikes in Greece may have been
carried out by Arab terrorists rather than Greek groups who proclaimed
themselves responsible.56 Thus, support shown by Greek terrorists for their
Palestinian counterparts was not merely ideological, but the result of
cooperation in obtaining arms and in making attacks on targets of common
interest. 17N later blamed the Patras explosion on the Israeli Mossad, which
they claimed was attempting to frame the Arabs. The groups expressed
solidarity with the Palestinians, whom the conservative government, they
claimed, was trying to drive out of Greece, under orders from "chief Zionist
George Bush."57
CONCLUSION
Although there can be no doubt that antisemitism exists in Greece, few major
antisemitic incidents have been noted in the country. In comparison with
other European countries where antisemitic movements have gained substantial
support, the situation in Greece is better. Still, it would be a mistake to
discount the severity of the problem; the recent growth of the phenomenon is
worrisome, and should be dealt with decisively before it can acquire
menacing proportions.
Among possible short-term solutions is the strict enforcement of existing
legislation that protects minorities. Antisemitic texts should be removed
from state schoolbooks. Political parties should isolate those within their
ranks who engage in antisemitic behavior, and the church could be more
outspoken in condemning those who attack Jews in the name of Christianity.
Long-term solutions include the fostering of understanding and religious
tolerance. Political interests that make Jews a scapegoat must be exposed
for what they are and be done away with. Condemnation of antisemitism must
take place consistently, not only in theory but also in praxis. Much can be
accomplished though education, which is where the greatest challenge lies.
Technological progress in transportation and telecommunications and the
phenomenon of economic globalization are overriding traditional European
religious, linguistic, cultural, political, and socioeconomic boundaries. At
the same time, increased exposure to "foreign elements" has resulted in a
vigorous resurgence of nationalism and antisemitism. Greater integration in
the world community is inevitable, and people must learn to respect
diversity if they are to avoid conflicts of untold magnitude and
consequences.
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NOTES
1. This essay is based on a more extensive study of contemporary Greek
antisemitism presented to the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the
Study of Antisemitism, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
2. Neoteron Encyclopedikon Lexikon Heliou, 18 vols. (n.d., was published in
1952/53) 6:455.
3. C. Papakyriakos, "The Antisemites," (n.p., n.d.), 9.
4. Michael Molho, "In Memoriam," (Thessaloniki: Jewish Community of
Thessaloniki, 1974), 120.
5. Rabbi Sabethai, "Jews and Christians" in Chronicles (Central Jewish Board
of Greece, 1981).
6. Institute of Jewish Affairs, report compiled by Ruth Oster, August 1975.
7. Central Jewish Board Information Bulletin, 1 March 1990.
8. Metropolitan Augustine Kantiotis, sermon, audiocassette recording, n.d.
[?1988-92].
9. Dynamis 9 (March-April, n.d.).
10. Magdalene, Hevraikes Taftotites (Jewish Identification Cards) (Kozari:
Analipseos Kozanis Convent, 1992).
11. Jules Isaac, "L'enseignement du mepris", in "Jules Isaac and his Work"
(Jewish Youth of Greece). "The Teaching of Contempt" was published in Athens
by the Society of Friends.
12. Rabbi Sabethai, "Jews and Christians" in Chronicles (Central Jewish
Board of Greece, 1981).
13. "Antisemitic Texts in Schoolbooks," in Central Jewish Board of Greece
Information Bulletin, 1 July 1988. The CJB is the governing body of the
Jewish Communities in Greece, formally affiliated with the Ministry of
Education and Religious Affairs, but autonomous in administration.
14. N. Gregoriadis, D. Karvelis, C. Milionis, et al, Modern Greek Literature
Texts, 4th ed. (Athens: OEDV, 1985), 263. The CJB asked Minister Apostolos
Kaklamanis to overrule the decision of the Pedagogical Institute to continue
publication of the Karyotakis poem, but the minister claimed that the
Institute is "an independent board beyond the Ministry's direct control."
CJB, "Antisemitic Texts."
15. Pedagogical Institute document 1588/23.5.1988.
16. Law 927, Paper of the Government of the Hellenic Republic, 139, vol. 1,
(18 June 1979).
17. Ibid.
18. Law 1419, Paper of the Government of the Hellenic Republic, 28, vol. 1
(14 March 1984).
19. The case was decided by the Protodikeion Harakleiou on 14 September
1984. The opinion was published on 21 September 1984.
20. Crete Court of Appeals decision 354 of 1987.
21.Chronicles, March 1981.
22. Yiannis Loulis, "Antisemitism Resurrected in the Deliberate Anti-Jewish
Raving," Mesimvrini, 28 July 1982.
23. Yannis Loulis, "Antisemitic Incidents and Government Responsibility,"
Mesimvrini, 10 August 1982.
24. Ibid.
25. Ibid.
26. CJB Information Bulletin, 1 July 1988.
27. Minutes of the Parliament of the Hellenic Republic, 2 November 1983,
951.
28. Spiros Payatakis, "City Council Holocaust," Apoghevmatini, 29 August
1986.
29. Edward Koch, "A Modern Greek Tragedy," New York Post, 17 September 1986.
30. "You Can Kill A Jew!" CJB Information Bulletin, 1 January 1989; the
Washington Post article was quoted therein.
31. "Mitsotakis is Selling OTE and DEI to the Jews," Avriani, 22 April 1985.
The article, on page 1 carried the subheading: "Half the Staff Will be
Thrown Out on the Streets So the Foreigners Can Eat More." OTE is the
state-owned Greek Telecommuications Company, and DEI is the Public
Electricity Company.
32. Nikos Stamatiou, "Neo-Nazis 'Made in Greece'," Eleftheros Typos, 7
February 1993.
33. Petros Kassimatis, "[People] Nostalgic of the Third Reich in the Heart
of Athens," Vradini, 24 August 1987.
34. "The Myth of the Six Million and the Truth of Numbers," Chrysi Avghi,
October 1988.
35. Stochos 103 [n.d., marked "Ninth Year (of publication)", late 1970s?].
36. Stochos, 7 April 1988.
37. Nei Anthropi, 31 January 1982.
38. For example, Aristides Andronikos, Judas Throughout the Centuries [n.p.,
n.d.]; Dionissis Chionis, Cleansing of Christianity from the Jewish Elements
(Athens: Amilla, 1985); Andreas Dendrinos, The Problem of Israel, 2nd. ed.
(Athens: Eleftheri Skepsis, 1985); Kyriakos Diakoyannis, The Human Piranhas
(n.p., n.d.); Ioannis Fourakis, Jews, The Forgers of History, 3rd ed.
(Athens: Grammi, 1984); Petros Vavalis, Israeli Neo-nazism, 2nd ed. (Athens:
n.p., 1984).
39. Dietrich Eckart, Zionism from Moses to Lenin, 2nd ed. (Athens: Eleftheri
Skepsis, 1985), translation of the edition published by White Power
Publications, Reedy, WV, 1966.
40. "The Jewish Community of Volos Denounces Vandalism," Tachydromos Volou,
1 August 1987.
41. "Racist Vandals," CJB Information Bulletin, May 1989.
42. David Ezraty, "The Shame of Greek Munich," To Mati, 16 (April 1989), a
newsletter of Jean Jose Cohen.
43. The government statement was reproduced in the CJB Information Bulletin,
May 1989.
44. Ezraty, "The Shame of Greek Munich"(see note 42).
45. K. Georgiades, Eleftherotypia, 6 April 1989, cited in Ezraty, op.cit.
46. A list of articles in the Greek press is given in the CJB Information
Bulletin, May 1989.
47. "Some Racist and Other Significant [Issues]," Politis, April 1988.
48. Andreas Christinidis, "Laicism, Antisemitism and PASOK," Eleftherotypia,
5 April 1989.
49. Panayotis Dimitras, "Greece: A New Danger," Foreign Policy, 58 (Spring
1985).
50. Hellenobarometer Vol. 2, no.18 (March 1986). The segment on racism and
antisemitism was published in English in Greek Opinion, Vol. 3, no. 5 (May
1986).
51. Hellenobarometer, Vol. 2, no. 27 (December 1988); the English version
appeared in Greek Opinion, Vol. 6, no. 1 (January 1989).
52. "Special: Racisme et Xénophobie," Eurobaromètre (Bruxelles: Direction
Générale, Information, Communication, Culture; Commission des Communautés
Européenes, 1989), 94.
53. Edward Koch, "A Modern Greek Tragedy," New York Post, 17 September 1986.
54. ELA Proclamation, 2 July 1982, CJB Archives. The targets included
American Express, Chase Manhattan and the National Bank of Chicago offices
in Athens (representing "North American capitalism and imperialism"); D.
Roussakis's firm which imports Amcor solar systems (as an agent of Israeli
interests); and Solon Bernardout's Atlantis Travel Agency ("a cover for
Israeli agents and assassins").
55. 17N proclamation published in Avriani, 18 July 1991.
56. Petros Karsiotis, "Two Steps Away from 17N!" Eleftheros Typos, 5 May
1991.
57. 17N proclamation, Avriani, 18 July 1991.
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Daniel Perdurant was born in 1946 to parents of Greek-Jewish descent. He has
long studied the history of Greek Jews, with particular emphasis on the
Holocaust years, and has published some related articles. The original study
upon which this paper is based was funded by a grant from the Vidal Sassoon
International Center for the Study of Antisemitism, Hebrew University of
Jerusalem.
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[nikiforos]
TURKEY
Anti-Jewish and anti-Israel views were notably absent from the Turkish
media for the second year in succession. A trend toward Holocaust education
and condemnation of its distortion has been noted.
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY
Some 20,000 Jews live in Turkey out of a total population of over 60
million. The great majority of Jews live in Istanbul, but there are also
communities in Izmir and in several other cities, including Ankara. More
than 95 percent of the Jews are Sephardim.
The Jewish community is represented by its Chief Rabbinate, which is
headed by the Haham Bashi. There are about 30 synagogues in Turkey, more
than half of them in Istanbul, where there are also Jewish schools. The
community publishes a weekly newspaper in Turkish and Ladino, Shalom, and a
monthly journal, Tiryaki.
ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE POLITICAL ARENA IN TURKEY
Several factors contributed to the mainstream media's avoidance of
anti-Jewish and anti-Israel views, and to its diminishment in the [Muslim]
fundamentalist media, for the second year in succession,. These included:
- the outstanding performance of the Israeli rescue teams in the
aftermath of the earthquakes in August and November 1999;
- the open support of US Jewish organizations for Turkey on issues
such as Turkish membership in the EU, the building of the Baku-Ceyhan
pipeline and improving Turkey's image in the US;
- the CSCE summit held in Istanbul in November and the subsequent
admission of Turkey as a candidate member of the European Union, which
sensitized the country to the issue of human rights;
- Turkish-Israeli relations as a strong strategic alliance of mutual
benefit;
- the more moderate policy of the Islamic Virtue (Fazilet) Party,
which replaced the banned Welfare (Refah) Party (see ASW 1998/9).
In fact, various journalists attached to mainstream newspapers, such
as Selahattin Önkibar of Türkiye, Ertugrul Özkökok of Hürriyet, and Hakan
Tarhan of Star, published articles condemning anti-Semitism, extremist
nationalism and racial discrimination.
ATTITUDES TOWARD THE HOLOCAUST AND THE NAZI ERA
Holocaust denial and distortion continues to be a disturbing
phenomenon In Turkey, with occasional articles and reports sympathetic to
Roger Garaudy or David Irving appearing in the mainstream press. One of the
main representatives of this trend is Gülay Götürk, an outspoken Turkish
liberal (see ASW 1998/9). Götürk supports the right of French philosopher
Roger Garaudy, author of the Holocaust denying book The Founding Myths of
Israeli Politics, to express his views, insisting that everything should be
open to discussion and that no action should be taken to oppose the free
flow of ideas, even if they displease some groups or individuals.
On the other hand, there is an encouraging trend toward Holocaust
education and condemnation of its distortion. For example, when Adnan Oktar,
aka Harun Yahya, the author of several anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial
books, including Holocaust Lies, was arrested for attempting to blackmail
some influential Turkish figures, Hadi Ulungin, a columnist for Hürriyet,
demanded that Oktar be tried also for denigrating the Holocaust. Sedat
Sertoglu, a well-know columnist for Sabah, has written several articles
proposing a law against distortion of the Holocaust. It should be noted that
the continued trend among left-wing intellectuals, especially in Europe, of
revising their previously anti-Jewish views, including distortion of the
Holocaust, has been noted also in Turkey. Further, several books published
in 1999 dealt with Holocaust themes, such as the translation of the book
Auschwitz expliqué a ma fille, by Annette Wieviorka.
The attitude of the Turkish authorities toward Jews during the war
period was questioned in 1999, both in the liberal press and on television
programs. For example, the tax on capital imposed on all minorities in
Turkey in November 1942 caused many members of the Jewish community to lose
all their assets. The tax was canceled in the second half of 1943, when the
tide turned against Germany. Another issue raised was the responsibility of
Turkish officials for the circumstances which led to the sinking of the
Jewish immigrant ship Struma in Turkish waters in February 1942. The ship,
which had been carrying 769 Romanian Jews who sought to land in Palestine,
was towed into the open sea by the Turkish authorities without water, food
or fuel. Subsequently, it was struck by a Soviet submarine torpedo and all
but one passenger perished.
Dirty Harry
> Weren't you busy strapping on a suicide-vest Mr. Bin Jihad? Whatever
> happens, millions of Europeans will never want hordes of Islamics in their
> union.
Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the Greek
regime committed against the Macedonian people? At least some could argue
that Bin Laden had justification for what he did.
Have a nice day.
WolfWolf
WolfWolf
Idiot!
BBC misquoted - another proof of their dishonest journalism.
Here is a sample of your "anti-Semitism".
Oct. 13, 2002
Israel and Turkey to finalize water deal
By HERB KEINON
Jerusalem Post
Israeli and Turkish officials are slated to meet in Ankara Monday to hammer
out details of the sale of 50 million cubic meters of water annually from
Turkey over the next 20 years.
Although Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced the agreement in August when
Turkish Energy Minister Zeki Cakan was visiting Jerusalem, the cost of the
water, as well as determination of how it will be transferred to Israel, has
not yet been worked out. The two sides have been haggling for months over
whether Israel or Turkey will bear the cost of transporting the water.
Among the modes of transfer that have been bandied about over the last few
years while the sale was being discussed include a pipeline, pumping the
water into giant rubber balloons which would be linked together and towed
from Turkey to Ashkelon, or pumping the water into converted oil tankers.
After Sharon announced the deal in August, Prime Minister's Office
Director-General Avigdor Yitzhaki, who has been closely involved in the
talks with the Turks, said the decision to sign the agreement was based on
Israel's desire to maintain its close relationship with Turkey.
'The decision is not an economic one,' he said. 'It's a strategic and
political issue.' Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said at the time that the
agreement between Turkey and Israel 'will create a new reality in the
region.'
The water to be transported to Israel will come from the Manavgat River on
Turkey's southern coast. Fifty million cubic meters of water (one cubic
meter equals 1,000 liters) is roughly the amount Israel s water needs goes
up annually, and is also the equivalent to the amount of drinking water
produced by the world s largest desalination plant.
WolfWolf
"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry, is it true that OBL has been spotted on Yasono's Dirty Deli loo,
looking for some necrophilic toys???
WolfWolf
The European
[nikiforos]
"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No Ottoman or foreign census ever mentioned "Macedonians" as part of the
Ottoman empire, only Bulgarians. What makes 2.5 million Greek people
calling themselves Macedonians less important than 1.5 million Slavs?
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
June R Harton
> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------------
The decision of the EU summit meeting in Lisbon 1992
--------------------------------------------------------------
"The European Council reiterates the position taken by the Community and its
members in Guimaraes on the request of the former Yugoslav Republic of
Macedonia to be recognized as an independent State. If expresses its
readiness to recognize that republic within its existing borders according
to their Declaration on 16 December 1991 under a name which does not include
the term Macedonia. It furthermore considers the borders of this republic as
inviolable and guaranteed in accordance with the principles of the UN
Charter and the Charter of Paris".
--------------------------------------------------------------
FYROM President Kiro Gligorov: "We are Slavs who came to this area in the
sixth century . . . we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
(President of FYROM Ciro Gligorov, from the Foreign Information Service
Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )
--------------------------------------------------------------
The United Nations strongly disapproves of the use of the name "Macedonia"
by the FYROM and demands that FYROM find an acceptable name which does not
use the term "Macedonia" or any of its derivatives.
"The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia -- (8 Apr. 1993)
--The General Assembly decided on 8 April 1993 to admit to United Nations
membership the State being provisionally referred to for all purposes within
the United Nations as "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" pending
settlement of the difference that had arisen over its name."
http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
June R Harton
"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>what he did.
Again, "Lawyer"?!
http://www.dpsoft.com/aboutOurTeam.htm
For fair use only.
Daniel K. Balaloski - Vice President, General Counsel. Daniel Balaloski is
vice president and general counsel for D&P Software, LLC. He is responsible
for the overall management of the Company's legal department. His practice
area specialties are intellectual property, mergers and acquisitions, equity
financing, corporate and other commercial transactions.
Mr. Balaloski received a Juris Doctorate from The Ohio State University in
Columbus, Ohio, an MBA in Finance and a bachelor's of science in Business
Administration from The Ohio State University. Mr. Balaloski is also a
Certified Public Accountant.
WolfWolf
"June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:aovsml$q70$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >At least some could argue that Bin Laden had justification for
> >what he did.
>
> Again, "Lawyer"?!
June R Harton, you're obstinate, cheeky and blind. Watch you evil tongue -
and your skirt!
Didn't they tell you to sit down, shut up and listen while the teacher is
teaching?
WolfWolf
The European
Robbie
Play the game, Wolf. This site is an Isreali site!
Dirty Harry
news:yFOs9.269$s51.11...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>
And the President of that company happens to be a Macedonian (my kind--the
real kind) from the village of Zelenche in Aegean Macedonia.
Have a nice day.
*astron*
Just write to Ohio State University President and show him the behavior of this
"alumni" .
Also , send a letter to the local paper's op-ed about him , and name him as a
raving "ethnic" nutcase , slav-macedonian ( FYROM ) VMRO terrorist sympathizer
.
Remind him of the massacres of Greeks by the VMRO in Macedonia and how this
Blalkoski fellow supports it and wants more .
*astron*
Read : Balakoski
*astron*
Deborah
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1911609.stm
Two words: Armenian genocide.
http://www.cilicia.com/armo10.html
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/education.htm
http://www.hr-action.org/armenia/
http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/genocide.html
Deborah
pyrsos27
Ο "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> έγραψε στο μήνυμα
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> "[nikiforos]" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PtJs9.35017$zE6.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> > Weren't you busy strapping on a suicide-vest Mr. Bin Jihad? Whatever
> > happens, millions of Europeans will never want hordes of Islamics in
their
> > union.
>
> Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the Greek
> regime committed against the Macedonian people?
Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people. Stop misusing the
term "macedonian" because it is a term exclusively reserved for Greeks and
not for swarthy Gypsies with fizzy hair such as yourself, Balaloski.
At least some could argue
> that Bin Laden had justification for what he did.
Yeah, and we all know that his idol since you two look alike.
pyrsos27
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
pyrsos27
No such place exists in Greece. We changed the Slavic and Turkish toponyms
with ancient Macedonian ones in 1926.
Dirty Harry
"*astron*" <*astron*@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> > Remind him of the massacres of Greeks by the VMRO in Macedonia and how
this
> > Blalkoski fellow supports it and wants more .
Stop lying to cover up the atrocities that are still committed by your
government, Uncle Tom.
Dirty Harry
"pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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>
> > And the President of that company happens to be a Macedonian (my
kind--the
> > real kind) from the village of Zelenche in Aegean Macedonia.
>
> No such place exists in Greece. We changed the Slavic and Turkish toponyms
> with ancient Macedonian ones in 1926.
>
> pyrsos27
Its probably the village of your grandfather, Baiche Coonstantine.
Have a nice day.
Dirty Harry
> > Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the
Greek
> > regime committed against the Macedonian people?
>
> Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
I believe anybody with any knowledge of history would differ with that
statement. Of course, I understand that isn't the version you get in Greek
Sunday School.
> Stop misusing the
> term "macedonian"
I don't. Macedonian refers to the indigenouse Macedonian people from the
indepenent nation known as the Republic of Macedonia. It simply cannot
refer to an artificial "region" populated by you and the rest of your Uncle
Toms.
> because it is a term exclusively reserved for Greeks and
> not for swarthy Gypsies with fizzy hair
To me those terms are one and the same. Take a look at your Ahepa picture
and see. (I'm not 5'3" like your masters, either).
> At least some could argue
> > that Bin Laden had justification for what he did.
>
> Yeah, and we all know that his idol since you two look alike.
I said "some could argue". Read closely, not the same way you gloss over
Greek atrocities against your people.
Have a nice day, Baiche Coonstantine.
pyrsos27
Vzzt! Wrong! This one always had a Greek name.
Check out Edessa, before it was called Voden and in 1926 it was renamed
after ancient Edessa, same story with Pella. This is to show you who the
real Macedonians are and who are the Grekomans and the Gypsies from Skopje.
We honor our ancient heritage while you are trying to prove that swarthy
Slavs are actually related to Macedonia (sic).
You are a funny man,
pyrsos27
> "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> news:ap23ha$oqk$1...@usenet.otenet.gr...
>
> > > Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the
> Greek
> > > regime committed against the Macedonian people?
> >
> > Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
>
> I believe anybody with any knowledge of history would differ with that
> statement. Of course, I understand that isn't the version you get in
Greek
> Sunday School.
It's the version people get from renouned academics such as Wilcken,
Hammond, Errington and many others. Sorry, history has beaten you.
>
>
> > Stop misusing the
> > term "macedonian"
>
> I don't. Macedonian refers to the indigenouse Macedonian people from the
> indepenent nation known as the Republic of Macedonia. It simply cannot
> refer to an artificial "region" populated by you and the rest of your
Uncle
> Toms.
Who gives a fuck what Danny Balaloski accepts? Really!
>
> > because it is a term exclusively reserved for Greeks and
> > not for swarthy Gypsies with fizzy hair
>
> To me those terms are one and the same. Take a look at your Ahepa picture
> and see. (I'm not 5'3" like your masters, either).
I know, you are 5 feet.
>
>
> > At least some could argue
> > > that Bin Laden had justification for what he did.
> >
> > Yeah, and we all know that his idol since you two look alike.
>
> I said "some could argue". Read closely, not the same way you gloss over
> Greek atrocities against your people.
Are you on drugs again? Two of my ancestors were Greek Army regulars, one of
which was one of the first who burnt villages in the Kilkis area, after
killing scores of Slavs.
>
> Have a nice day, Baiche Coonstantine.
Baiche? What language is this?
pyrsos27
>
>
Dirty Harry
>
> Ο "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> έγραψε στο μήνυμα
> news:ap26mu$949$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:ap23ha$oqk$1...@usenet.otenet.gr...
> >
> > > > Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the
> > Greek
> > > > regime committed against the Macedonian people?
> > >
> > > Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
> >
> > I believe anybody with any knowledge of history would differ with that
> > statement. Of course, I understand that isn't the version you get in
> Greek
> > Sunday School.
>
> It's the version people get from renouned academics such as Wilcken,
> Hammond, Errington and many others. Sorry, history has beaten you.
Yep, sure did, but they didn't bother to actually go to the "Northern Greek
REGION of Macedonia" now did they? They based their findings on other
flawed works to come up with their equally flawed conclusions.
Next time, try reading a little Borza, Karakasidou, Danforth, and so forth,
and the strain of others that were inspired by their works -- inspired by
the truth as to who the REAL Macedonians circa 1913 were, where they were,
and where they had been for more than a millenia before.
Have a nice day.
choro-nik
>
>
> Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
--
choro-nik says...
oh yeah!!! then how can you explain what happened in greece after WW2?
and how can you explain what EOKA-B did to the supporters of makarios, the
president of cyprus, in the summer of 1974?
*******
Nicolas
Do you think any right thinking Human Being on this planet will *ever*
take any of your fantasies for the truth?
LOL
Nicolas
Dirty Harry
news:3DB4BC74...@nbnet.nb.ca...
So there were no Macedonians living in Macedonia in 1913. Pray tell, who
did they print the ABECDAR (sp?) textbook for in the 1920's?
Would you like to talk to someone who's grandfather who spent 10 months in a
Greek jail for singing a Macedonian folk song by the "birthplace of
democracy"?
Have a nice day.
Nicolas
Living an unsubstantiated lie every miserable day of your life makes for
a sad existence.
You and your kind are a rarity and a dying breed. Very few will be left
to tell the lies. Parlez vous l'albanais?
Have a miserable day
Nicolas
Dirty Harry
You are either a liar, or you do not wish to confront the truth.
June R Harton
And your time of continued employment has been sorely limited by
your racist net-nazi activities, Bulgarian.
June R Harton
Don't worry there is a whole achive on his racist net-nazi activities.
June R Harton
> lolololololololol ...... anytime they do this, they think they can
embarass
> me, shut me up, report me to my boss, etc. Well, I got news for them ---
I
> HAVE NO BOSS AND I ANSWER TO NOBODY! (One of the benefits of having a law
> degree).
I have news for you there, Bulgarian.
:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: FR: LYNGOS RE:THE NAME.......NORTHERN MAKEDONIA?
Tasho Alusheff" <mreks...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> George Tsapanov wrote:
>
> >>Simitis is meeting with the president of >the Socialist SKOPIAN party
Ivanof.
> >Is the name going to be NORTHERN >MAKEDONIA?
> >Just like Northern Vietnam, or Northern >Korea?
THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. IF THERE IS A NORTHERN
MACEDONIA, THEN, BY IMPLICATION, THERE MUST BE A SOUTHERN ONE TOO.
ONE STEP CLOSER TO RECLAIMING WHAT'S OURS ..... AND SENDING YOUR KIND TO THE
FACTORY SO THE TURKS CAN MAKE SOAP OUT OF YOU."
June R Harton
Truth, Bulgarian?
Here:
http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
tommy
brainwashed Bulgarians. It is offensive and racist to not recognise our
idenity. It is time your politicians dropped the cold war names and
mentality that the dictator Tito gave you.
tommy makendonos
"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "[nikiforos]" <ab...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PtJs9.35017$zE6.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> > Weren't you busy strapping on a suicide-vest Mr. Bin Jihad? Whatever
> > happens, millions of Europeans will never want hordes of Islamics in
their
> > union.
>
> Whats the difference between Muslim terrorists and the genocide the Greek
> regime committed against the Macedonian people? At least some could argue
> that Bin Laden had justification for what he did.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
eric
That little bitch Nicky WHORE is a LIER and does a runner every time some
one confronts HER wit the truth. Nothing more can be expected from a WHORE
who thinks SHE is intelligent. ROFL
pyrsos27
Ο "choro-nik" <chor...@tvcom.net> έγραψε στο μήνυμα
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> "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote...
> >
> >
> > Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
>
> --
> choro-nik says...
>
> oh yeah!!! then how can you explain what happened in greece after WW2?
Greeks do not kill one another based on their regional affiliation, the
civil fighting was related to their ideological and political differences.
Nationalists vs. Communists.
>
> and how can you explain what EOKA-B did to the supporters of makarios, the
> president of cyprus, in the summer of 1974?
This is true, but keep in mind that the EOKA B's actions was justified
self-defence. Makarios was the first who started the attrocities and the
torture of EOKA B prisoners.
But again, what is this to you? And why did you Turks intervene since this
was a strictly Greek-Cypriot Civil War?
pyrsos27
>
> *******
>
>
pyrsos27
I have read them, but none of them confirm your proposterous claims.
You should really visit your therapist one of these days, your situation is
out of control.
Dirty Harry
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> We Macedonians were always Greek. You are nothing more than Tito's
> brainwashed Bulgarians. It is offensive and racist to not recognise our
> idenity. It is time your politicians dropped the cold war names and
> mentality that the dictator Tito gave you.
>
> tommy makendonos
Baiche Tome, I already told you I have nothing to do with Tito and neither
do the the Aegean Macedonians in Indianapolis in 1915. You are MACEDONIAN
NOTHING. You are simply an Uncle Tom, the house nigger doing the bidding
for his Greek slavemasters.
Have a nice day.
pyrsos27
Wrong, it is you who is our sand-nigger pet and our Uncle Tom. If you don't
believe me take a trip to Skopje and see who is the master and who is the
slave. We have bought your little country very cheap.
You now serve Greek interests and in return we allow you to survive.
Dirty Harry
> I have read them, but none of them confirm your proposterous claims.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
Dirty Harry
>
> Greeks do not kill one another based on their regional affiliation
Thats the key word here: REGION. Thats all you have, not a nation known as
Macedonia. Hence you cannot be Macedonians.
You lost.
pyrsos27
> "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> news:ap3oqp$j58$1...@usenet.otenet.gr...
> >
> > Greeks do not kill one another based on their regional affiliation
>
> Thats the key word here: REGION. Thats all you have, not a nation known
as
> Macedonia
But everyone knows that Macedonia is a strictly regional affiliation.
.> Hence you cannot be Macedonians.
Really? And how is an Italian resident of Venice called? You mean to say
that it is illegal for him/her to be designated as a Venetian?
Get your shit together man.
pyrsos27
>
> You lost.
>
>
pyrsos27
OK, cite me *1* source that claims that your Slavic people are related to
the classical Macedonians.
I am waiting....
pyrsos27
>
>
Dirty Harry
I don't give a shit if they are or they aren't. I compare what you were in
1913 vs. what I was--AND THAT WAS THE SAME GODDAMNED THING, BRE.
Have a nice day.
Dirty Harry
>
> Really? And how is an Italian resident of Venice called? You mean to say
> that it is illegal for him/her to be designated as a Venetian?
There is no such thing as a Venitian nationality or ethnicity, just as there
is no such thing as a Macedonian nationality or ethnicity (if you come from
Greece, that is).
Have a nice day.
WolfWolf
>
> Ο "choro-nik" <chor...@tvcom.net> έγραψε στο μήνυμα
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> > "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote...
> > >
> > >
> > > Greeks do not commit attrocities towards their own people.
> >
> > --
> > choro-nik says...
> >
> > oh yeah!!! then how can you explain what happened in greece after WW2?
>
> Greeks do not kill one another based on their regional affiliation, the
> civil fighting was related to their ideological and political differences.
> Nationalists vs. Communists.
Wasn't it the same like in Spain's Civil War 1936-39, where the "Reds"
crammed people into churches, setting them on fire?
"Class enemies", as they said.
> > and how can you explain what EOKA-B did to the supporters of makarios,
the
> > president of cyprus, in the summer of 1974?
>
> This is true, but keep in mind that the EOKA B's actions was justified
> self-defence. Makarios was the first who started the attrocities and the
> torture of EOKA B prisoners.
>
> But again, what is this to you? And why did you Turks intervene since this
> was a strictly Greek-Cypriot Civil War?
Were the Turkish Cypriots saved from the massacres?
And who prevented the U.N. forces from covering the minimum humanitarian
needs of people in Turkish Cypriot enclaves?
WolfWolf
The European
Yannis
..........................
> > Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms ways, heroes, gods, ways,
> > words and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.
> > Macedonians were always Greeks.
> > Yannis
> > Macedonia, Greece
>
> What did your people, the Syrians, have?
Macedonians were always Greeks.
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
Yannis
............................
> Were the Turkish Cypriots saved from the massacres?
> And who prevented the U.N. forces from covering the minimum humanitarian
> needs of people in Turkish Cypriot enclaves?
> WolfWolf
> The European
At the time of the war of Independence in Cyprus, Turks under the Great
Acculturator Raouf Denktash, chose to stay side by side the English troops and
against Greeks, right ?? What was Denktash bench then ??
So if the war failed, Turks would massacre Greeks, right ?
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
Dirty Harry
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>
> Were the Turkish Cypriots saved from the massacres?
> And who prevented the U.N. forces from covering the minimum humanitarian
> needs of people in Turkish Cypriot enclaves?
>
> WolfWolf
> The European
The Turks are 100% in the right on the Cyprus issue. You Greeks started the
trouble and you got your asses kicked. The victor (Turkey) gets to decide
how to divide the spoils. You aren't on a golf course or a school
playground ........... there are no "Mulligans" or "do-overs" in war.
I just call 'em how I see 'em.
Yannis
................................
> Baiche Tome, I already told you I have nothing to do with Tito and neither
> do the the Aegean Macedonians in Indianapolis in 1915. You are MACEDONIAN
> NOTHING. You are simply an Uncle Tom, the house nigger doing the bidding
> for his Greek slavemasters.
> Have a nice day.
Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms ways, heroes, gods, ways, words and
Yannis
> The Turks are 100% in the right on the Cyprus issue. You Greeks started the
> trouble and you got your asses kicked. The victor (Turkey) gets to decide
> how to divide the spoils. You aren't on a golf course or a school
> playground ........... there are no "Mulligans" or "do-overs" in war.
> I just call 'em how I see 'em.
It is obvious that your hate to Greeks makes you eyeless.
But remember, what will make you Macedonian is Macedonian heritage and tradition
that orders to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World and not Greek
"barbarism"
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
Dirty Harry
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What did your people, the Syrians, have?
Dirty Harry
Its not so much that I hate anyone, its just that I like civilized people.
There are a lot of civilized people I know who are Greek. Unfortunately,
the uncivilized among you undertake actions that causes your nation to be
painted in a negative light. Based on the way you have handled the
Macedonian issue, with lies and deceit, I know full well how Greeks act and
don't mind it one bit that there is someone around who can always put your
in your place.
Have a nice day.
Yannis
......................................
> Its not so much that I hate anyone, its just that I like civilized people.
Really ?? You mean like yourself ? How come a civilized person can be self-named
"Dirty "
> There are a lot of civilized people I know who are Greek. Unfortunately,
> the uncivilized among you undertake actions that causes your nation to be
> painted in a negative light. Based on the way you have handled the
> Macedonian issue, with lies and deceit, I know full well how Greeks act and
> don't mind it one bit that there is someone around who can always put your
> in your place.
> Have a nice day.
What lies ?
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
choro-nik
DID affect MY life as well, you know.
and don't forget MAKARIOS was the LEGALLY ELECTED president of cyprus
whereas EOKA-B was just an illegal terrorist organization.
don't give me THAT shit!
bon appetit!
--
choro-nik
*******
"pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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>
Dirty Harry
> "Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ......................................
> > Its not so much that I hate anyone, its just that I like civilized
people.
>
> Really ?? You mean like yourself ? How come a civilized person can be
self-named
> "Dirty "
No. I am a fighter, not a lover.
WolfWolf
TURKISH FOREIGN MINISTRY:
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ANKARA
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pyrsos27
? "WolfWolf" <em...@address.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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As I said, the fighting was strictly confined among Greek-Cypriots, the
Turkish-Cypriots were not touched or affected.
> And who prevented the U.N. forces from covering the minimum humanitarian
> needs of people in Turkish Cypriot enclaves?
You tell me, and presentation evidence would be appreciated.
pyrsos27
>
> WolfWolf
> The European
>
WolfWolf
Oh yes, they were. What started as 'collateral damage', soon became main
target of EOKA. The spiral of violence and counterviolence began.
In the early hours of 1 April [1955] the underground organisation EOKA made
its existence known by a series of explosions in different parts of the
island.
[...]
On 19 June EOKA opened its second major offensive with attacks on police
stations in Nicosia and Kyrenia. Two days later an explosion outside the
Nicosia Central Police Station in the Turkish area killed a Greek bystander,
the first fatal casualty, and injured thirteen Turks and one Armenian. [...]
The second offensive had aroused the wrath of the Turks. Their leaders
issued public warnings that a renewal of incidents in the Turkish quarter
would lead to intercommunal strife, and to reprisals against the Greeks
should any more Turks be injured. The deterioration in the island's security
was serious. But Grivas was not yet satisfied.
[...]
The Renewal of EOKA Violence, 1957-58
A cease-fire was in effect for some of 1957. It was the longest truce
declared, and it followed some brutal incidents of murders of Greek Cypriot
"traitors" and deaths of Turkish Cypriots who were part of law enforcement.
[...]
During the summer EOKA also formed the first anti-Turkish groups and drew up
elaborate plans for the defence of the Greek villages against possible
Turkish attacks.
[...]
The Turks soon heard about these preparations. They did not believe that the
Greeks, once organised on anti-Turkish lines, would limit their activities
to defence. And a new Turkish underground movement was formed, which
eventually became the TMT (Turk Mudafa Teskilat -- Turkish Defence
Organisation). Four Turks were fatally injured in an explosion at the end of
August. The accident led to the discovery of explosives in a Turkish
house -- the first indication that the Turks were contemplating militant
action in the event of EOKA launching a second round.
[...]
The Turkish Cypriots, despite their belligerency, were clearly at a serious
disadvantage in that the TMT as yet had only very limited access to
firearms. [...] The fanaticism which was associated with EOKA now permeated
the TMT, which called for 'PARTITION OR DEATH!'.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/
In November 1963 the Greek Cypriots demanded the abolition of no less than
eight of the basic articles that had been included in the 1960 agreement for
the protection of the Turkish Cypriots. "When the Turkish Cypriots objected,
Makarios put his plan into effect, and the Greek Cypriots attack began in
December 1963," wrote Lt. Gen. George Karayiannis of the Greek Cypriot
militia ("Ethnikos Kiryx" 15.6.65). The general was referring to the
notorious "Akritas" plan, which was the blueprint for the annihilation of
the Turkish Cypriots and the annexation of the island to Greece.
On Christmas Eve 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriots
communities across the island. Large numbers of men, women, and children
were killed and 270 mosques, shrines and other places of worship were
desecrated.
(Michael STEPHEN)
>
> > And who prevented the U.N. forces from covering the minimum humanitarian
> > needs of people in Turkish Cypriot enclaves?
>
> You tell me, and presentation evidence would be appreciated.
THE ROLE OF UNFICYP & VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS
The Security Council Resolution of 4 March 1964, had worked all along in
favour of the Greek Cypriot side. Apart from resulting in recognition of the
totally Greek Government of Makarios as the Government of Cyprus it had also
created a situation in which UNFICYP was not able to keep the peace and
implement the cease-fire arrangements.
The Greek Cypriot policy of preventing UNFICYP from doing its proper job and
thus to achieve a unitary Greek state, resulted in blocking the way for a
settlement and caused more sufferings for both Cypriot peoples.
Despite the presence of the UNFICYP, the Greek Cypriot offensive had never
stopped and also developed into an offensive of economic blockades and
violation of the basic human rights of the Turks, such as, freedom of
movement, communication, work, etc...
The Turkish Cypriot refugees, who were living in tents at the Northern
suburbs of Nicosia, were short of food and medicine. When on 11 March, a
convoy of Red Crescent supplies were escorted to Nicosia by British armoured
cars `they were halted by armed Greek Cypriots. The sacks of flour were
thrown on the street and ripped open with bayonets.'
H. Scott Gibbons, Peace without Honour, p.152
INHUMAN EMBARGOES ON RELIEF SUPPLIES OF RED CRESCENT
By midsummer of 1964, the number of Turkish refugees reached a total of
25,000, about one fourth of the total Turkish Cypriot population. The
conditions in which they had to live were extremely terrible and their
survival depended only on the relief supplies of the Turkish Red Crescent
(counterpart of the Red Cross).
Over 4,000 Turks who had been employed by the Government as civil servants
and labourers, lost their incomes. Social benefits were also denied to the
Turks by the Government of Makarios. On top of that, Makarios's economic
restrictions were implemented against Turkish enclaves on the grounds that
their supplies included strategic materials. Among the banned materials were
fuel, cement and even shoelaces.
Makarios also imposed restrictions on the imports of Red Crescent supplies.
Consequently its supplies were examined at the port of Famagusta and on many
occasions even more than half of goods were claimed to be `strategic
material' and thus were not allowed to be unloaded. The international Red
Cross had to fight to get its food supplies handed over to the Turks.
Ibid, p.174
WolfWolf
The European
pyrsos27
> >
> > As I said, the fighting was strictly confined among Greek-Cypriots, the
> > Turkish-Cypriots were not touched or affected.
>
> Oh yes, they were. What started as 'collateral damage', soon became main
> target of EOKA. The spiral of violence and counterviolence began.
>
> In the early hours of 1 April [1955] the underground organisation EOKA
made
> its existence known by a series of explosions in different parts of the
> island.
You are out of order once I again! I was not referring to the 1950's, I was
referring to the 1974 events. During the coup and the days that followed it,
the Turks were not touched by the opposing Greek Armies.
Stop twisting the facts you liar.
pyrsos27
Yannis
> > > Its not so much that I hate anyone, its just that I like civilized people.
> > Really ?? You mean like yourself ? How come a civilized person can be
> > self-named "Dirty "
> No. I am a fighter, not a lover.
Well, I am BOTH !!
But there was a question in my reply: "What lies ?? "
Yannis
Macedonia, Greece
eric
in the '50's and in '63.
A question for you pyrsos27, what was the reason for the Greek-Greek
killings about in 1974??
WolfWolf
>
> ? "WolfWolf" <em...@address.net> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:ap6mfa$kel$1...@nntp-m01.news.aol.com...
> >
> > "pyrsos27" <cziss_...@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > > > Were the Turkish Cypriots saved from the massacres?
> > >
> > > As I said, the fighting was strictly confined among Greek-Cypriots,
the
> > > Turkish-Cypriots were not touched or affected.
> >
> > Oh yes, they were. What started as 'collateral damage', soon became main
> > target of EOKA. The spiral of violence and counterviolence began.
> >
> > In the early hours of 1 April [1955] the underground organisation EOKA
> made
> > its existence known by a series of explosions in different parts of the
> > island.
>
> You are out of order once I again! I was not referring to the 1950's, I
was
> referring to the 1974 events.
Where did you say so?
Are those who died in the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s less dead because
they didn't die on a specific day, hour and minute?
We gave you a link about Cyprus. Follow it and find a lot of unbiased
information about the 1974 events - of which the Greek side is not less
responsible than the Turkish side.
Provided that you are *really* interested....
WolfWolf
The European
eric
stayed unanswered like all the other ones??
June R Harton
"Dirty Harry" <dirtyharr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Macedonian refers to the indigenouse Macedonian people from the
> indepenent nation known as the Republic of Macedonia.
Bulgarian, if you identify with the Fyrom people which you do, you identify
with
Bulgarians....no Macedonian Greeks the real ones were in that area, so you
really have no case at all.
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
June R Harton
> Next time, try reading a little Borza, Karakasidou, Danforth, and so
forth,
> and the strain of others that were inspired by their works -- inspired by
> the truth as to who the REAL Macedonians circa 1913 were, where they were,
> and where they had been for more than a millenia before.
Bwahhahahahhahahahhahhahhahhahhahahahhahahhahhahhahaaaa
Bulgarian, try some truth for a change:
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
June R Harton
> I don't give a shit if they are or they aren't. I compare what you were
in
> 1913 vs. what I was--AND THAT WAS THE SAME GODDAMNED THING, BRE.
And they really have let you play act as a Lawyer?!!!!!
Bwahhahahhahahhahhahhahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha
Here, Bulgarian, your people:
June R Harton
"eric" <wankerdo...@hell.com> wrote in message
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> What ever happened in 1974 was a direct follow up to the events that
started
> in the '50's and in '63.
I have shown you how the British Gov. and Turkey were instigating the
intercommunal violence, Turk, so quit trying to mislead people.
June R Harton
> > information about the 1974 events - of which the Greek side is not less
> > responsible than the Turkish side.
> > Provided that you are *really* interested....
> >
> What's the betting that he's done a runner again and this question will
> stayed unanswered like all the other ones??
And why do you think anyone is interested in discussing anything
with trolls who never face up to the truth, Turk?
eric
"June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "eric" <wankerdo...@hell.com> wrote in message
> news:10353990...@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...
> > What ever happened in 1974 was a direct follow up to the events that
> started
> > in the '50's and in '63.
>
> I have shown you how the British Gov. and Turkey were instigating the
> intercommunal violence, Turk, so quit trying to mislead people.
>
>
Get lost June R Harton, "I" have shown you that you started the war> You
know about ENOSIS as much as I do, at least you should. But you arer trying
to hide your fucking shasme GREKK bitch and would do any thing to mislead
people and blame every body else for it but your selves. Now be good little
fucking Greek bitch and shut the fuck up LIAR. Admit your true animal
insticts for a change, some people love animals you know.
> from: Spirit of Truth
>
There is no *TRUTH* left in your *SPIRIT* bitch, but there again, I forgot
about the *SPIRIT* in *OUZO*
eric
I am not the one who doesn't want to discuss am I? You and your sort are
doing a runner here, because Greek BITCH, you are running away from the
truth and hiding your ugly face in the sand.
Your knowledge comes from reading books written by Greeks, which is all
lies. My truth is from self experience that I lived through myself at that
time. That's why you are trying to discreadit me and are running away from
answering my questions. You fucking know that and I fucking know that, Greek
BITCH.
Jason Lambro
Jason Lambro
eric
"Jason Lambro" <jasl...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> shut up "kerhaneci ibne"
>
>
Toilet cleaner, if you want to say something to me say it in English so that
I can understand you. do not HIDE behind foreign words, coward.
Now, you gonna answer my question pervert?
Are the Turks in you family still fucking alive or are they in your Parks
sausages??
Now go back to cleaning the dirty toilets in the dirty deli you work in.
Move it, move it. And stop drinking the water out of them toilets, it's
makes you more stupid then you already are.
Jason Lambro
lying chicken shit worm.You and KurtKurt sould take some time off to give your
little brains a rest.
June R Harton
>
> "June R Harton" <JUNEH...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:fDtu9.304$qS5.11...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "eric" <wankerdo...@hell.com> wrote in message
> > news:10353990...@ananke.eclipse.net.uk...
> > > What ever happened in 1974 was a direct follow up to the events that
> > started
> > > in the '50's and in '63.
> >
> > I have shown you how the British Gov. and Turkey were instigating the
> > intercommunal violence, Turk, so quit trying to mislead people.
> >
> >
>
> Get lost June R Harton, "I" have shown you that you started the war> You
> know about ENOSIS as much as I do, at least you should. But you arer
trying
> to hide your fucking shasme GREKK bitch and would do any thing to mislead
> people and blame every body else for it but your selves. Now be good
little
> fucking Greek bitch and shut the fuck up LIAR. Admit your true animal
> insticts for a change, some people love animals you know.
You thus expose yourself as a knowing propagandist and falsehood speader,
troll!
Enosis was the legal and just right of the Cypriots at that time period.
You also expose yourself as a net-nazi fascist opposed to democracy
and truth and self-determinism since 77% of the entire population
voted for union with Greece.
As I said, the British Gov. and Turkey were instigating the
intercommunal violence, troll, so quit trying to mislead people.
from: Spirit of Truth