NEWS: Ukraine set to send man on US space shuttle
Andrey Dmitriev
By Rostislav Khotin
KIEV, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Tuesday that the mission of a
Ukrainian astronaut who is about to go into space aboard the U.S.
space shuttle confirmed its status as a space power.
Leonid Kadenyuk, 46, is due to blast off from Cape Canaveral in
Florida in the space shuttle Colombia on Wednesday for a 16-day
research mission. He will be part of a crew of six which also includes
four Americans and a Japanese.
``This shows Ukraine is a space nation. Let's hope this is the
beginning, and a good beginning, for Ukraine,'' President Leonid
Kuchma said.
Television reports said Kadenyuk would take into space the national
flag, a copy of Ukraine's constitution and poetry by Taras Shevchenko,
a 19th century national hero.
Ukrainian officials say Ukraine has the fifth greatest potential for
producing space rockets and satellites after the United States,
Russia, France and China.
But it has not played a big role in space since it won independence
from the Soviet Union in 1991. It had previously had a significant
part in Moscow's space programme and in 1962 ethnic Ukrainian Pavlo
Popovych became the fourth man in space.
``The new Ukraine's status as a space state should be confirmed by
this 'blue-and-yellow' cosmonaut,'' the Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya
Gazeta said, referring to the colours of the Ukrainian flag Kadenyuk
will take with him.
Volodymyr Horbulin, secretary of Ukraine's policy-making Security and
Defence Council, noted that Russia turned down requests for a
Ukrainian to travel on space missions after the Soviet Union collapsed
in 1991.
``Those requests came to a dead end...also because we did not have the
$11 million fare,'' Horbulin said, but he held out hope that a
compromise could be found soon to enable a Ukrainian to fly to
Russia's Mir space station.
He said Kadenyuk, a former military pilot, would conduct biological
experiments during his flight on the shuttle.
Ukraine's space industry has faced hard times in the early 1990s due
to a lack of cash, but it got a boost last year when the country
joined the United States, Norway and Russia in the ``Sea Launch''
space project.
Under the project, Ukraine is to supply rockets to launch commercial
satellites from a former oil platform near Hawaii from October 1998.
REUTERS@
16:25 11-18-97
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I see Ukraine is cooperating with Russia in space programs ;)
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Ivan Covdy
All this is very funny, thanks for such a good joke.
The most funniest part is when the guy is going to
take into space the flag, Ukraine's constitution, and
Shevchenko's book. I wonder, why he ignored some
other symbols of Ukraine, like gorilka and tryzub.
But even more funny is that because of that
Ukraine becomes a "space power".
There were a guy from Cuba and a guy from Vietnam
who were taken into space by Russians in the Soviet
times -- does it make Vietnam and Cuba "space powers"?
Actually, monkeys were the first who made it into space --
how about them?
-Ivan Covdy
Andrey Dmitriev wrote in message <64tqfm$p...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Andrei Popov
Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> The Ukraine has been a space nation for a long time since lots of
> Ukrainians were flown into space by Soviet spacecraft.
>
> Still, congratulations to our Ukrainian brothers.
>
May I comment on the article, which says:
* >
* >Volodymyr Horbulin, secretary of Ukraine's policy-making Security and
* >Defence Council, noted that Russia turned down requests for a
* >Ukrainian to travel on space missions after the Soviet Union collapsed
* >in 1991.
* >
Here our "brothers" accuse Russia of deliberately torpedoing the space
program of the independent Ukraine - sounds pretty bad, does not it?
> * >``Those requests came to a dead end...also because we did not have the
> * >$11 million fare,'' Horbulin said, but he held out hope that a
> * >compromise could be found soon to enable a Ukrainian to fly to
> * >Russia's Mir space station.
A bit later it turns out that the problem was with bad Russians who did
not want to send citizens of the independent Ukraine into the space
free of charge....Naivite of these guys never stops to astonish me.
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Andrei Popov
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Myroslava Dzikovska
Andrei Popov (andrei...@SPAM.bbsrc.ac.uk) wrote:
: > * >``Those requests came to a dead end...also because we did not have the
: > * >$11 million fare,'' Horbulin said, but he held out hope that a
: > * >compromise could be found soon to enable a Ukrainian to fly to
: > * >Russia's Mir space station.
: A bit later it turns out that the problem was with bad Russians who did
: not want to send citizens of the independent Ukraine into the space
: free of charge....Naivite of these guys never stops to astonish me.
Has Horbuling mentioned not wanting to pay a reasonable fare? I don't
think so. $11 million is not the sum to take out of pocket and pay
without thinking. What never stops to astonish me, is the greediness of
the responsible persons in Russian government (I don't want to make
generalizations over all Russians).
Regards,
Myroslava Dzikovska.
Mikhail Teterin
19 Nov почтенный Andrei Popov
написал в <64vgnj$3...@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>
=May I comment on the article, which says:
=* >Volodymyr Horbulin, secretary of Ukraine's policy-making Security and
=* >Defence Council, noted that Russia turned down requests for a
=* >Ukrainian to travel on space missions after the Soviet Union collapsed
=* >in 1991.
=Here our "brothers" accuse Russia of deliberately torpedoing the space
=program of the independent Ukraine - sounds pretty bad, does not it?
No, it does not, bro, you are just paranoid. Or, it may be a "guilt
complex" :)
>> * >``Those requests came to a dead end...also because we did not have the
>> * >$11 million fare,'' Horbulin said, but he held out hope that a
>> * >compromise could be found soon to enable a Ukrainian to fly to
>> * >Russia's Mir space station.
=A bit later it turns out that the problem was with bad Russians who did
=not want to send citizens of the independent Ukraine into the space
=free of charge....Naivite of these guys never stops to astonish me.
I suppose, Ukraine decided it would not hurt to ask.
-mi
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Big Brother
Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> I suppose, Ukraine decided it would not hurt to ask.
Hu zachem vam, Misha, v kosmos... ni sala tam, ni gorilki, ne govorya
uzhe o kefire ;-)
> -mi
> --
> Хороший, свежий кефир сегодня...
S.S.
DMITRIYEV ANDREY
Myroslava Dzikovska (my...@cs.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Has Horbuling mentioned not wanting to pay a reasonable fare? I don't
: think so. $11 million is not the sum to take out of pocket and pay
: without thinking. What never stops to astonish me, is the greediness of
: the responsible persons in Russian government (I don't want to make
: generalizations over all Russians).
Common... Ukraine charges Russia for similar stupid things as well, they
both cooperate only on paper, but in reality they (both!) can't wait to
rip off each other, although such rip offs would seem normal if this
business was lets say between Russia and US
L.Gordeev
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Lena wrote:
> > The Ukraine has been a space nation for a long time since lots of
> > Ukrainians were flown into space by Soviet spacecraft.
> >
> > Still, congratulations to our Ukrainian brothers.
>
> Igor, ty sho skazyvsia? Jaky zh vony tebe brothers?
>
> It's been proven by very respectable scientists, like Dan K for instance,
> that Ukrainians are farther from Russians than they are from gorillas!
> :-)
Actually, Dan & Alex used to argue about Mongols who, unlike true
Ukrainians, should be small & corpulent, also having small thin eyes,
which should just as well portray true Russians. Now somewhere in Africa
(in gorillas' neighborhood) there is a small tribe called Dogon or so
featuring the opposite (i.e. truly Ukrainian) appearence: those guys
are thin & handsome, their arms and legs are long, eyes big etc.
What's more, true UFO believers know that Dogons are the last (lost)
representatives of a mysterious Space nation which came to Earth a couple
of thousands years ago after a long space travel from nobody knows where.
So, at least, say their native legends.
Thus adding 2 and 2 (possibly dividing the result by *i*) we'll arrive at
yet another, politically correct proof of the desired conclusion:
IN FACT, UKRAINE HAS BEEN A SPACE NATION FOR A LONG TIME - LONG BEFORE
MUSCOVIA STARTED POLLUTING COSMOS WITH ITS SPACE GARBAGE.
L.G
Mikhail Teterin
20 Nov почтенный Big Brother
написал в <347445...@no.spam>
=Hu zachem vam, Misha, v kosmos... ni sala tam, ni gorilki, ne govorya
=uzhe o kefire ;-)
Da, Vam, vidimo, ne ponjat'...
-mi
P.S. Sergej, chto-li?
Andrei Popov
Lena wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
>
> > The Ukraine has been a space nation for a long time since lots of
> > Ukrainians were flown into space by Soviet spacecraft.
> >
> > Still, congratulations to our Ukrainian brothers.
>
> Igor, ty sho skazyvsia? Jaky zh vony tebe brothers?
>
> It's been proven by very respectable scientists, like Dan K for instance,
> that Ukrainians are farther from Russians than they are from gorillas!
> :-)
>
Yelena!
Be careful! Next day we'll have gorillas all over the place in s.c.r.
trying to wipe out suspicions in the distal relationship with Russians.
Eugenius
Once upon a time Andrei Popov <andrei...@SPAM.bbsrc.ac.uk> had the
nerve to write:
>Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
>> The Ukraine has been a space nation for a long time since lots of
>> Ukrainians were flown into space by Soviet spacecraft.
>>
>> Still, congratulations to our Ukrainian brothers.
>>
>May I comment on the article, which says:
>* >Volodymyr Horbulin, secretary of Ukraine's policy-making Security and
>* >Defence Council, noted that Russia turned down requests for a
>* >Ukrainian to travel on space missions after the Soviet Union collapsed
>* >in 1991.
>Here our "brothers" accuse Russia of deliberately torpedoing the space
>program of the independent Ukraine - sounds pretty bad, does not it?
It is!
>> * >``Those requests came to a dead end...also because we did not have the
>> * >$11 million fare,'' Horbulin said, but he held out hope that a
>> * >compromise could be found soon to enable a Ukrainian to fly to
>> * >Russia's Mir space station.
>A bit later it turns out that the problem was with bad Russians who did
>not want to send citizens of the independent Ukraine into the space
>free of charge....Naivite of these guys never stops to astonish me.
Free of chrge? Ha! This Soviet space industry have been created with
participation of Ukraine. But Russia took it all! How about to give us
our part of all your space ships etc. according to Ukraines'
participation in their creation?
>Andrei Popov
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Actually, at this point in time, I see nothing desirable in trying to get
a person on the Mir space platform. In terms of historical record, it is
the mere fact of participation in a space mission that matters. In terms
of science, it's doubtfull that one is better than the other. In terms
of preparation for any future, learning and working with the US. tech-
nology, will probably be of more benefit to the Ukrainian team.
--Rostyk
Rostyk Lewyckyj
L.Gordeev <iik...@commlink.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
|
|On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Lena wrote:
|
|> Igor Chudov wrote:
|> >
|> > Still, congratulations to our Ukrainian brothers.
|>
|>
|> It's been proven by very respectable scientists, like Dan K for instance,
|> that Ukrainians are farther from Russians than they are from gorillas!
|> :-)
| ...........
LG. about the mysterious dogons:
|featuring the opposite (i.e. truly Ukrainian) appearence: those guys
|are thin & handsome, their arms and legs are long, eyes big etc.
paintings? tall, thin, big eyes, small mouths
|
|What's more, true UFO believers know that Dogons are the last (lost)
|representatives of a mysterious Space nation which came to Earth a couple
|of thousands years ago after a long space travel from nobody knows where.
|L.G
DMITRIYEV ANDREY
Rostyk Lewyckyj (urj...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote:
: Actually, at this point in time, I see nothing desirable in trying to get
What makes you think that Russian technology will lag behind US's, I
think this is one of the few fields where Russia remains extremely
competetive, even after the break-up of SU.
Mikhail Teterin
21 Nov почтенный Eugenius
написал в <654fc3$m...@cantine.wu-wien.ac.at>
=Free of chrge? Ha! This Soviet space industry have been created with
=participation of Ukraine. But Russia took it all! How about to give
=us our part of all your space ships etc. according to Ukraines'
=participation in their creation?
Yeah, right. Then Ukraine will demand it's fair share of Pacific
and other Fleets, just like Russia insisted on its part of Black
Sea Fleet.
-mi
Rostyk Lewyckyj
I think that Russian technology, in general, lags at this point in
time. I am not evaluating here the specialized rocket technology,
but rather the more general surrounding technolgy: communications
electronics, telemetry, materials science, etc. Those kinds of things
with which the foreign guest astronauts are likely to be in contact
with. I feel that there is better potential to learn technology
immediately applicable in other areas from the US project, than there
would be from the russian project. Besides our side should already know
about russian technology from pre 1991. I also get the impression that
russian space technology is more special one of a kind stuff.
I also think that any personal contacts developed between Ukrainian and
western scientists or companies will be more valuable than any contacts
that might be made with russian scientists. Even though the language
barriers would be much lower working with the russians.
--Rostyk
GRycar
Dimitriev writes;
>What makes you think that Russian technology will lag behind US's, I
>think this is one of the few fields where Russia remains extremely
>competetive, even after the break-up of SU
Actuality Demitriev makes it obvious that Russia cannot help but lag behind
Tansania and not the US.
What comic books have you been reading? What technology? Stupidity and
incompetence yes, but independant technology that was not stolen from the West,
very little.
In actuality Russian technology before the colapse of the Empire of Evil and
stupidity reached a point where it was unable to even implement the knowhow
that it stole from the West. Something about slaves not being as efficient nor
as intelligen as free men.
An imagination not grounded in actuality but instead upon Soviet deception, we
are the best in everything and invented everything, is not good for you and
does entrench stupidity.
George R.
spea...@netcom.ca
Ivan Covdy wrote:
>
> All this is very funny, thanks for such a good joke.
> The most funniest part is when the guy is going to
> take into space the flag, Ukraine's constitution, and
> Shevchenko's book. I wonder, why he ignored some
> other symbols of Ukraine, like gorilka and tryzub.
Because he would not be the first one to take vodka into space.
His Russian counterparts have already done that...
>
> But even more funny is that because of that
> Ukraine becomes a "space power".
> There were a guy from Cuba and a guy from Vietnam
> who were taken into space by Russians in the Soviet
> times -- does it make Vietnam and Cuba "space powers"?
> Actually, monkeys were the first who made it into space --
> how about them?
>
> -Ivan Covdy
>
>
Was Laika really a monkey...?
No, Vietnam and Cuba are not considered to be space powers
because they were powered into space by a foreign power...
However, Ukraine may be considered to be a potential space power
if not because at its helm is Mr. Kuchma, the former director of
the world's largest rocket factory (Pivdenmash) in Dnipropetrovsk.
Any country that possesses the infrastructure to make ballistic
missiles, such as the SS-24s, also has the capability to launch
civilian payloads into space.
Hey, for a meager $11 million or less, a Ukrainian SS-24 rocket
can propel even a joker such as you into space.
This would add a new meaning to the expression "space cadet"...
GHC
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In article <348CF0...@netcom.ca>, spea...@netcom.ca writes:
|> Ivan Covdy wrote:
|> >
[ ... stuff deleted ... ]
|> Hey, for a meager $11 million or less, a Ukrainian SS-24 rocket
|> can propel even a joker such as you into space.
|>
|> This would add a new meaning to the expression "space cadet"...
|>
|> GHC
I can get behind that ... but we really need only 5 and a half million.
Where do I send my contribution?
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