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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj

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Apr 10, 2004, 12:42:07 AM4/10/04
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Elroy Willis wrote:

> Mark Johnson <1023...@compuserve.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>
>>"Terence Togher" <tt00`h8...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Personally, I thought that the use of slow motion in the film was trite in
>>>places and not needed.
>>
>>I thought it worked, very well.
>>>
>>>Otherwise, I think it was a good interpretation. Many friends who have
>>>seen it, and who are christians (who wouldn't even watch something like
>>>dawn of the dead because of the gore), have said they felt like they had
>>> to watch the suffering of Jesus because they felt it was their fault.
>>>In general, I thought that some of the scenes were overlong and
>>>because of the importance played on the last 12 hours of his life, I feel
>>>the film lacked that something, which, had it shown more of his past other
>>>than the flashbacks, I may have got into more.
>>
>>It was more like an immersion 'art film'. The only thing that I
>>question is the portrayal of Herod. The rest of it is Scripturally
>>accurate, and quite an affront to Jesus Seminarian types - who have
>>just been all over free tv with the NBC and ABC 'retrospectives', of
>>late. I don't care if you punctuate their jibes with newsreader
>>voiceovers and two minutes of 'backgrounder' information. These
>>heretics still don't make any sense. And you know they not only
>>couldn't make a film like Mel's Passion, and that they wouldn't, but
>>that they literally don't get it - either. I mean - it's in-the-Bible.
>>I can't imagine how their own copies read, at this point. It's truly
>>sad.
>
>>So much for trendiness in the academy, and just what good it does
>>anyone.
>
> Did the movie contain the scene where the crowd of Jews was
> screaming "Let his blood be upon us and our children!"
>
> I saw one interview with Mel in which he said he might have to
> take that part out because it was being called anti-semitic. The
> scene is right there in the Bible, but for some reason, it's
> anti-semitic all the sudden.
>
This last little bit, awakened a memory.
The Ukrainian Canadian artist, painter, Walter Kurelek has a
series of paintiings entitled The twelve stations of the Cross.
Some composer wrote music to accompany each of the twelve scenes,
and the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) presented it on
TV one Easter season.
There was such a hue and outcry from the jewish community that
on further rebroadcasts the picture of one of the scenes had to
be censored out. I believe that now the whole work has been
completely suppressed.
Of course you can still see the pictures in an album of Kurelek's
collected works.

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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj

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Apr 10, 2004, 4:35:41 PM4/10/04
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj

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Apr 11, 2004, 8:00:23 PM4/11/04
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Elroy Willis wrote:
> Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in alt.atheism

Well no!. It was written in soc.culture.ukrainian and just
cross-posted to alt.atheism which was already in the distribution
list. ;)


>
>
>>Elroy Willis wrote:
>>
>>>I saw one interview with Mel in which he said he might have to
>>>take that part out because it was being called anti-semitic. The
>>>scene is right there in the Bible, but for some reason, it's
>>>anti-semitic all the sudden.
>
>
>>This last little bit, awakened a memory.
>>The Ukrainian Canadian artist, painter, Walter Kurelek has a
>>series of paintiings entitled The twelve stations of the Cross.
>>Some composer wrote music to accompany each of the twelve scenes,
>>and the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) presented it on
>>TV one Easter season.
>>There was such a hue and outcry from the jewish community that
>>on further rebroadcasts the picture of one of the scenes had to
>>be censored out. I believe that now the whole work has been
>>completely suppressed.
>>Of course you can still see the pictures in an album of Kurelek's
>>collected works.
>
>

> How many stations did Constantine's mother declare as holy?
> I can't remember off the top of my head, and I'm too lazy to
> look it up right now.
>
> Hmm... No, I'm NOT too lazy... <clickety click>
>
> From:
> http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=51
>
> "Although Christians knew approximately the path taken by Jesus
> on his supposed way to the cross (the Via Dolorosa, the Way of Pain),
> they didn't know exactly where each specific event (called stations)
> of that walk took place. Helena showed them, and the precise spots
> which she indicated became accepted by Christian tradition. It is
> possible that she not only showed them where the known events took
> place; she may have introduced some new events as well, thus creating
> some of the fourteen Stations of the Cross."
>
> Fourteen instead of the twelve mentioned by Kurelek...
>
> Which two are different?
>

The main point is

>>There was such a hue and outcry from the jewish community that
>>on further rebroadcasts the picture of one of the scenes had to
>>be censored out. I believe that now the whole work has been
>>completely suppressed.
>>Of course you can still see the pictures in an album of Kurelek's
>>collected works.

i.e. the censorship.
By the way I made a gross error in my posting. The name is William
Kurelek not Walter Kurelek.

Quote from http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/1997/279723.shtml

Having twice visited the Holy Land, he depicted the Passion of Christ
according to St. Matthew in a series of 160 paintings, which he
considered his magnum opus. His most popular works, however, were
paintings of life on the prairies. He created a series of intricate
works on prairie life and a series of interesting works depicting
various ethnic groups of Canada. Therefore, he began to be considered "a
totally Canadian artist who creates pictures of Canadian prairie life as
seen through the prism of his own life."

which is a BOOK REVIEW for:
New biography of Canadian artist William Kurelek
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Michael Ewanchuk, "William Kurelek: The Suffering Genius." Steinbach,
Manitoba: Perksen Printers and Michael Ewanchuk Publishing, 1996. VIII +
124 pp., softcover, $15.95 (plus $3 for postage and handling: $6 outside
Canada; $4 to the U.S.).

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by Wolodymyr T. Zyla

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I think that the, possibly already censored, film for the CBC is

THE PASSION OF CHRIST
1981 28 min. MP #6327
Shooting Pictures Ltd.
One of William Kurelek's most interesting works is The Passion of Christ
series. Using 160
paintings, he illustrates the story as recorded in St. Matthew's Gospel.

ref:
http://www.info.library.yorku.ca/depts/smil/filmographies/religion.htm#christianity
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj

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