FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.culture.belarus
Newsgroups line: soc.culture.belarus All things about Belarus. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 14 Jun 1996.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> Votetaker: Jan Isley <j...@bagend.atl.ga.us>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.belarus
The topic of Belarus is a topic that needs the platform of a Usenet newsgroup. There are over 10 million Belarusians in the Republic of Belarus, plus an additional 3.5 million that are members of the Belarusian Diaspora. There is no current Usenet newsgroup that addresses this topic. Soc.culture.soviet is the only possibility, but at best, it is a very, very broad forum.
The need for a moderated group is best explained by a taking a casual look at the many off-topic postings in other, non-moderated Usenet soc.culture.* groups. We would like to avoid such problems from the start.
CHARTER: soc.culture.belarus
The spelling of "Belarusian" in this document conforms to our understanding of the official spelling. We use this spelling out of a expression of solidarity, even though some of us feel "Belarusan" should be the spelling in English. Possibly, efforts will be initiated to change the spelling to "Belarusan."
Soc.culture.belarus is a moderated newsgroup for the free exchange of information and opinions on Belarusian culture, language, history, economics, science, and other topics related to Belarus.
Posts appropriate for soc.culture.belarus include, but are not restricted to the following aspects of Belarus: Informational posts about Belarus culture, history, etc. Language issues related to Belarusian Discussion of education, health, environment, etc., issues Discussion of politics, elections, etc. Relations between Belarus and other countries as long as discussion remains relevant to Belarus Discussion of economic conditions and gov't policies toward them Issues related to members of the Belarusian Diaspora Questions and information about genealogy within the historical territory that has been Belarus Discussion of (new) books, articles, movies, etc., about Belarus Belarusian cuisine The effects of Chornobyl on Belarusians and the environment Discussion of minority issues, including language, within Belarus Job opportunities within Belarus
Soc.culture.belarus is for anyone who is interested in Belarus and who can follow Usenet newsgroup netiquette, basic rules of polite human interaction, and any further restrictions imposed by this charter. There is no test or requirement as to how much of a Belarusian a person is who wants to make a submission and participate. Any restrictions concerning the contents of a post are intended to keep to the topic of Belarus, and are not intended to restrict anyone's expression of opinions. Free speech exists within the context of Belarus as a topic as defined in this charter. If the topic is not about Belarus, forums other than soc.culture.belarus are more appropriate.
Submissions must be in English, Belarusian, or Russian. If in Belarusian or Russian, they should be transliterated or in KOI-8 (RFC-1489). There is a problem with posts in Belarusian in KOI-8 in that there is no agreed to mapping for "y neskladovae" and "i". This issue will be addressed and resolved through discussions on this newsgroup and will be included in the forthcoming FAQ. Visual approximations of Cyrillic Belarusian and Russian are strongly discouraged for the body of the message as they are essentially indecipherable. Use in signatures or other short usage is acceptable.
Format of submissions shall be as follows: Subject Line -- Clearly identifies the content as explicitly and concisely as possible
Line length -- No more than 72 characters/line; most lines 60 characters or more, with hard carriage returns; (for legibility, especially when quoted in a follow-up posting)
Content -- At least 1/3 original (unquoted) text preferred Appropriate to the group readership, not for personal e-mail (i.e., for one or only several others). Meets conditions of this charter, including netiquette.
Signatures -- separated from the body by "-- " (note space) very long signatures and "handles" are discouraged; real names preferred
Cross-posts -- to no more than 4 newsgroups (total, including soc.culture.belarus), if any at all
Submissions unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected. Commercial advertisements unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected; all personal ads shall be rejected.
Submissions containing ethnic slurs, or submissions intended to hurt any given race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, shall be rejected. Personal attacks on individual posters will also be rejected.
When major changes to the charter are to be considered, an announcement will be made on soc.culture.belarus inviting interested people to respond and thus participate in an e-mail charter review discussion group. Any discussions of changes will be made within this group, and the results will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review by the general readership. (Should the committee continue for longer than one month, periodic postings of the committee's existence and status will be repeated once per month.)
Proposed major changes to the charter will be preceded by an RFD and a CFV.
Moderation Policy:
The role of the moderators is to ensure the conditions of the charter are met by any submission to soc.culture.belarus. The moderators recognize that they should be as un-biased and objective as is humanly possible. Submissions are evaluated as to whether or not (1) they are on topic, (2) they meet netiquette, (3) they are appropriate for the group membership as a group (rather than something that belongs in e-mail to an individual(s)), and (4) meet any other submission standards as defined in the charter. The forwarding of the submissions to soc.culture.belarus by the moderators should be in a timely manner. The total number of moderators shall be a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 7.
Should a moderator reject a submission, s/he will send the complete submission together with an explanation for the rejection to the submitter in a timely manner (usually within 48 hours). All of the other moderators shall be included in the "cc." Should the moderators as a group disagree with a moderator's decision about a submission, a minimum of a 2/3rd's majority is required to override it. Other details will be refined during the initial existence of soc.culture.belarus, recognizing that it is impossible to anticipate all of the details of moderation in advance.
Submitters to soc.culture.belarus should recognize the volunteer nature of the moderators, possible equipment problems with the server, etc., and keep such issues in mind when considering whether or not a post was made in a timely way.
The moderators will explore the possibility of using "robomoderator" software to increase the efficiency of posting new submissions to soc.culture.belarus. Developments in using such software will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review.
The moderators will also work among themselves to define the details of moderation, for example, addressing such issues as how many moderators are actively moderating at a time and how to deal with threads that appear to have strayed from the subject of Belarus.
Additional moderators to the initial four may be recruited from the readership as demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation panel, he or she must make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found.
Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with the consent of at least a 2/3rd's majority of the current moderators. Moderators also may be removed by a 2/3rd's majority of the moderation panel. Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.
E-Mail Addresses:
Two e-mail addresses will be established. One which will receive the submissions to soc.culture.belarus (through a forwarding mechanism); the other for contacting the group of moderators. A home page will also be established as a repository for the charter and other relevant materials that may be required in the future (FAQ, moderator policy updates, etc.).
Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> http://solar.rtd.utk.edu/~kasaty/miscellany.html Peter Kasaty is a Belarusian-American born in Germany and works as a technical writer, editor, and English instructor near Seattle, Washington, USA. He is the primary list-owner of the Belarus e-mail list and maintainer of a web page dedicated to collecting information about Belarus both on and off the net. Most of his relatives live in Belarus. He is especially interested in Belarusian literature, English teaching, the Internet in Belarus, and environmental issues.
Alex Artsyukhovich <an...@faraday.clas.virginia.edu> http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~ana4a/Belarus.html Alex Artsyukhovich is a professor in the Applied Optics Department at Hrodna State University, currently on leave at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, California. He was born and grew up in Hrodna, Belarus. Alex maintains part of the "Virtual Guide to Belarus" on the web. Alex's main
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.culture.belarus
Newsgroups line: soc.culture.belarus All things about Belarus. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 14 Jun 1996.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> Votetaker: Jan Isley <j...@bagend.atl.ga.us>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.belarus
The topic of Belarus is a topic that needs the platform of a Usenet newsgroup. There are over 10 million Belarusians in the Republic of Belarus, plus an additional 3.5 million that are members of the Belarusian Diaspora. There is no current Usenet newsgroup that addresses this topic. Soc.culture.soviet is the only possibility, but at best, it is a very, very broad forum.
The need for a moderated group is best explained by a taking a casual look at the many off-topic postings in other, non-moderated Usenet soc.culture.* groups. We would like to avoid such problems from the start.
CHARTER: soc.culture.belarus
The spelling of "Belarusian" in this document conforms to our understanding of the official spelling. We use this spelling out of a expression of solidarity, even though some of us feel "Belarusan" should be the spelling in English. Possibly, efforts will be initiated to change the spelling to "Belarusan."
Soc.culture.belarus is a moderated newsgroup for the free exchange of information and opinions on Belarusian culture, language, history, economics, science, and other topics related to Belarus.
Posts appropriate for soc.culture.belarus include, but are not restricted to the following aspects of Belarus: Informational posts about Belarus culture, history, etc. Language issues related to Belarusian Discussion of education, health, environment, etc., issues Discussion of politics, elections, etc. Relations between Belarus and other countries as long as discussion remains relevant to Belarus Discussion of economic conditions and gov't policies toward them Issues related to members of the Belarusian Diaspora Questions and information about genealogy within the historical territory that has been Belarus Discussion of (new) books, articles, movies, etc., about Belarus Belarusian cuisine The effects of Chornobyl on Belarusians and the environment Discussion of minority issues, including language, within Belarus Job opportunities within Belarus
Soc.culture.belarus is for anyone who is interested in Belarus and who can follow Usenet newsgroup netiquette, basic rules of polite human interaction, and any further restrictions imposed by this charter. There is no test or requirement as to how much of a Belarusian a person is who wants to make a submission and participate. Any restrictions concerning the contents of a post are intended to keep to the topic of Belarus, and are not intended to restrict anyone's expression of opinions. Free speech exists within the context of Belarus as a topic as defined in this charter. If the topic is not about Belarus, forums other than soc.culture.belarus are more appropriate.
Submissions must be in English, Belarusian, or Russian. If in Belarusian or Russian, they should be transliterated or in KOI-8 (RFC-1489). There is a problem with posts in Belarusian in KOI-8 in that there is no agreed to mapping for "y neskladovae" and "i". This issue will be addressed and resolved through discussions on this newsgroup and will be included in the forthcoming FAQ. Visual approximations of Cyrillic Belarusian and Russian are strongly discouraged for the body of the message as they are essentially indecipherable. Use in signatures or other short usage is acceptable.
Format of submissions shall be as follows: Subject Line -- Clearly identifies the content as explicitly and concisely as possible
Line length -- No more than 72 characters/line; most lines 60 characters or more, with hard carriage returns; (for legibility, especially when quoted in a follow-up posting)
Content -- At least 1/3 original (unquoted) text preferred Appropriate to the group readership, not for personal e-mail (i.e., for one or only several others). Meets conditions of this charter, including netiquette.
Signatures -- separated from the body by "-- " (note space) very long signatures and "handles" are discouraged; real names preferred
Cross-posts -- to no more than 4 newsgroups (total, including soc.culture.belarus), if any at all
Submissions unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected. Commercial advertisements unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected; all personal ads shall be rejected.
Submissions containing ethnic slurs, or submissions intended to hurt any given race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, shall be rejected. Personal attacks on individual posters will also be rejected.
When major changes to the charter are to be considered, an announcement will be made on soc.culture.belarus inviting interested people to respond and thus participate in an e-mail charter review discussion group. Any discussions of changes will be made within this group, and the results will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review by the general readership. (Should the committee continue for longer than one month, periodic postings of the committee's existence and status will be repeated once per month.)
Proposed major changes to the charter will be preceded by an RFD and a CFV.
Moderation Policy:
The role of the moderators is to ensure the conditions of the charter are met by any submission to soc.culture.belarus. The moderators recognize that they should be as un-biased and objective as is humanly possible. Submissions are evaluated as to whether or not (1) they are on topic, (2) they meet netiquette, (3) they are appropriate for the group membership as a group (rather than something that belongs in e-mail to an individual(s)), and (4) meet any other submission standards as defined in the charter. The forwarding of the submissions to soc.culture.belarus by the moderators should be in a timely manner. The total number of moderators shall be a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 7.
Should a moderator reject a submission, s/he will send the complete submission together with an explanation for the rejection to the submitter in a timely manner (usually within 48 hours). All of the other moderators shall be included in the "cc." Should the moderators as a group disagree with a moderator's decision about a submission, a minimum of a 2/3rd's majority is required to override it. Other details will be refined during the initial existence of soc.culture.belarus, recognizing that it is impossible to anticipate all of the details of moderation in advance.
Submitters to soc.culture.belarus should recognize the volunteer nature of the moderators, possible equipment problems with the server, etc., and keep such issues in mind when considering whether or not a post was made in a timely way.
The moderators will explore the possibility of using "robomoderator" software to increase the efficiency of posting new submissions to soc.culture.belarus. Developments in using such software will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review.
The moderators will also work among themselves to define the details of moderation, for example, addressing such issues as how many moderators are actively moderating at a time and how to deal with threads that appear to have strayed from the subject of Belarus.
Additional moderators to the initial four may be recruited from the readership as demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire
>from the moderation panel, he or she must make a public statement
at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found.
Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with the consent of at least a 2/3rd's majority of the current moderators. Moderators also may be removed by a 2/3rd's majority of the moderation panel. Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.
E-Mail Addresses:
Two e-mail addresses will be established. One which will receive the submissions to soc.culture.belarus (through a forwarding mechanism); the other for contacting the group of moderators. A home page will also be established as a repository for the charter and other relevant materials that may be required in the future (FAQ, moderator policy updates, etc.).
Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> http://solar.rtd.utk.edu/~kasaty/miscellany.html Peter Kasaty is a Belarusian-American born in Germany and works as a technical writer, editor, and English instructor near Seattle, Washington, USA. He is the primary list-owner of the Belarus e-mail list and maintainer of a web page dedicated to collecting information about Belarus both on and off the net. Most of his relatives live in Belarus. He is especially interested in Belarusian literature, English teaching, the Internet in Belarus, and environmental issues.
Alex Artsyukhovich <an...@faraday.clas.virginia.edu> http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~ana4a/Belarus.html Alex Artsyukhovich is a professor in the Applied Optics Department at Hrodna State University, currently on leave at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, California. He was born and grew up in Hrodna, Belarus. Alex maintains part of the "Virtual Guide to Belarus" on the web. Alex's
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A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line: soc.culture.belarus All things about Belarus. (Moderated)
Votes closed on 23:59:59 UTC, 14 Jun 1996.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> Votetaker: Jan Isley <j...@bagend.atl.ga.us>
RATIONALE: soc.culture.belarus
The topic of Belarus is a topic that needs the platform of a Usenet newsgroup. There are over 10 million Belarusians in the Republic of Belarus, plus an additional 3.5 million that are members of the Belarusian Diaspora. There is no current Usenet newsgroup that addresses this topic. Soc.culture.soviet is the only possibility, but at best, it is a very, very broad forum.
The need for a moderated group is best explained by a taking a casual look at the many off-topic postings in other, non-moderated Usenet soc.culture.* groups. We would like to avoid such problems from the start.
CHARTER: soc.culture.belarus
The spelling of "Belarusian" in this document conforms to our understanding of the official spelling. We use this spelling out of a expression of solidarity, even though some of us feel "Belarusan" should be the spelling in English. Possibly, efforts will be initiated to change the spelling to "Belarusan."
Soc.culture.belarus is a moderated newsgroup for the free exchange of information and opinions on Belarusian culture, language, history, economics, science, and other topics related to Belarus.
Posts appropriate for soc.culture.belarus include, but are not restricted to the following aspects of Belarus: Informational posts about Belarus culture, history, etc. Language issues related to Belarusian Discussion of education, health, environment, etc., issues Discussion of politics, elections, etc. Relations between Belarus and other countries as long as discussion remains relevant to Belarus Discussion of economic conditions and gov't policies toward them Issues related to members of the Belarusian Diaspora Questions and information about genealogy within the historical territory that has been Belarus Discussion of (new) books, articles, movies, etc., about Belarus Belarusian cuisine The effects of Chornobyl on Belarusians and the environment Discussion of minority issues, including language, within Belarus Job opportunities within Belarus
Soc.culture.belarus is for anyone who is interested in Belarus and who can follow Usenet newsgroup netiquette, basic rules of polite human interaction, and any further restrictions imposed by this charter. There is no test or requirement as to how much of a Belarusian a person is who wants to make a submission and participate. Any restrictions concerning the contents of a post are intended to keep to the topic of Belarus, and are not intended to restrict anyone's expression of opinions. Free speech exists within the context of Belarus as a topic as defined in this charter. If the topic is not about Belarus, forums other than soc.culture.belarus are more appropriate.
Submissions must be in English, Belarusian, or Russian. If in Belarusian or Russian, they should be transliterated or in KOI-8 (RFC-1489). There is a problem with posts in Belarusian in KOI-8 in that there is no agreed to mapping for "y neskladovae" and "i". This issue will be addressed and resolved through discussions on this newsgroup and will be included in the forthcoming FAQ. Visual approximations of Cyrillic Belarusian and Russian are strongly discouraged for the body of the message as they are essentially indecipherable. Use in signatures or other short usage is acceptable.
Format of submissions shall be as follows: Subject Line -- Clearly identifies the content as explicitly and concisely as possible
Line length -- No more than 72 characters/line; most lines 60 characters or more, with hard carriage returns; (for legibility, especially when quoted in a follow-up posting)
Content -- At least 1/3 original (unquoted) text preferred Appropriate to the group readership, not for personal e-mail (i.e., for one or only several others). Meets conditions of this charter, including netiquette.
Signatures -- separated from the body by "-- " (note space) very long signatures and "handles" are discouraged; real names preferred
Cross-posts -- to no more than 4 newsgroups (total, including soc.culture.belarus), if any at all
Submissions unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected. Commercial advertisements unrelated to Belarus shall be rejected; all personal ads shall be rejected.
Submissions containing ethnic slurs, or submissions intended to hurt any given race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, shall be rejected. Personal attacks on individual posters will also be rejected.
When major changes to the charter are to be considered, an announcement will be made on soc.culture.belarus inviting interested people to respond and thus participate in an e-mail charter review discussion group. Any discussions of changes will be made within this group, and the results will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review by the general readership. (Should the committee continue for longer than one month, periodic postings of the committee's existence and status will be repeated once per month.)
Proposed major changes to the charter will be preceded by an RFD and a CFV.
Moderation Policy:
The role of the moderators is to ensure the conditions of the charter are met by any submission to soc.culture.belarus. The moderators recognize that they should be as un-biased and objective as is humanly possible. Submissions are evaluated as to whether or not (1) they are on topic, (2) they meet netiquette, (3) they are appropriate for the group membership as a group (rather than something that belongs in e-mail to an individual(s)), and (4) meet any other submission standards as defined in the charter. The forwarding of the submissions to soc.culture.belarus by the moderators should be in a timely manner. The total number of moderators shall be a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 7.
Should a moderator reject a submission, s/he will send the complete submission together with an explanation for the rejection to the submitter in a timely manner (usually within 48 hours). All of the other moderators shall be included in the "cc." Should the moderators as a group disagree with a moderator's decision about a submission, a minimum of a 2/3rd's majority is required to override it. Other details will be refined during the initial existence of soc.culture.belarus, recognizing that it is impossible to anticipate all of the details of moderation in advance.
Submitters to soc.culture.belarus should recognize the volunteer nature of the moderators, possible equipment problems with the server, etc., and keep such issues in mind when considering whether or not a post was made in a timely way.
The moderators will explore the possibility of using "robomoderator" software to increase the efficiency of posting new submissions to soc.culture.belarus. Developments in using such software will be posted to soc.culture.belarus for review.
The moderators will also work among themselves to define the details of moderation, for example, addressing such issues as how many moderators are actively moderating at a time and how to deal with threads that appear to have strayed from the subject of Belarus.
Additional moderators to the initial four may be recruited from the readership as demand warrants. If a moderator wants to retire
>from the moderation panel, he or she must make a public statement
at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator may be found.
Anyone may volunteer to join the moderation panel with the consent of at least a 2/3rd's majority of the current moderators. Moderators also may be removed by a 2/3rd's majority of the moderation panel. Of course, moderators may resign of their own volition at any time.
E-Mail Addresses:
Two e-mail addresses will be established. One which will receive the submissions to soc.culture.belarus (through a forwarding mechanism); the other for contacting the group of moderators. A home page will also be established as a repository for the charter and other relevant materials that may be required in the future (FAQ, moderator policy updates, etc.).
Peter Kasaty <kas...@seanet.com> http://solar.rtd.utk.edu/~kasaty/miscellany.html Peter Kasaty is a Belarusian-American born in Germany and works as a technical writer, editor, and English instructor near Seattle, Washington, USA. He is the primary list-owner of the Belarus e-mail list and maintainer of a web page dedicated to collecting information about Belarus both on and off the net. Most of his relatives live in Belarus. He is especially interested in Belarusian literature, English teaching, the Internet in Belarus, and environmental issues.
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vladi...@iceonline.com wrote: >I agree with Michael. Voting fraud is obvious in both cases of creating >moderated groups. Netizens, if you want honest voting process, pick >up someone else to count votes or have two or three vote collectors.
OK, consider youself and your cronies volunteered.
That's right folks. Send all your votes for any usenet newsgroup to:
No limit on how many times you can vote. Send all questions you have about newsgroup creation to these email addresses as well. They have volunteered to help 24/7. If you do not receive a reply or a vote acknowledgement within one hour, please repeat your request until you recieve a reply from one the volunteers above.
If the newsgroup you vote for is not created, all complaints should go to the same address above.
[Note: any future questions about the failed rec.music.white-power newsgroup should be sent to the addresses above.]
;-? "The thing remembered is not the thing." --Korzybsky
>> I find the following list amusing. One may recall that algebra.com is the >> site from which soc.culture.russian.moderated is moderated. That gives >> some insight into the creatioon of s.cr.m. as well, which >> was passed with the margin of exactly one vote over required majority. >> I am inclined to think that Chudov, one of scrm moderators, who >> uses algebra.com, is not individual of marked integrity. >> BTW, was a single of those invalidated votes "NO" ?
>I agree with Michael. Voting fraud is obvious in both cases of creating >moderated groups. Netizens, if you want honest voting process, pick >up someone else to count votes or have two or three vote collectors.
<< snip >>
*IF* the "both cases" in the previous paragraph somehow refers to the situation for the vote for s.c.b (moderated), I would like some details explaining this viewpoint. If it doesn't, ignore the rest of this message. :-)
I have no connection with the people at algebra.com and have no idea how they voted concerning s.c.b, pro or con. All of the proposed co-moderators for s.c.b are new to newsgroup creation. What we share is a sincere interest and concern for Belarus in its VERY difficult current situation. That interest in our ethnic identity, homeland, relatives, friends, etc., is what drives us--not usenet politics, etc.
*If* we have made errors in working toward the creation of s.c.b, they came from our honest enthusiasm for what we feel is a very worthwhile cause and need and an unfamiliarity with every nuance of usenet guidelines--not due to some intentional misrepresentation, etc. There is a world of difference between such things, IMHO. We are not usenet lawyers, nor do we spend most of our lives living on the 'net. I personally read through every usenet document I could find concerning new group creation, worked with a usenet mentor, and tried to follow those guidelines to the best of my ability.
Back to the actual topic of s.c.b and the need for it: Go to the existing usenet newsgroups and browse thru the messages with "belarus" in their titles, and count how many follow ups actually have anything at all to do with Belarus. That's the issue for s.c.b.
Peace,
-- Peter Kasaty kas...@seanet.com proponent for soc.culture.belarus (moderated)
20 Jun Stephen Boursy написал в <Dt9zJ8....@world.std.com>
= But you didn't even address his concerns about the voting =fraud--a point you seem to be conceding.
Ha! Mr. Boursy speaks about addressing concerns! Sooner Dunaj-river will start flowing back then this as anus will start practicing what he preaches. Tell us Bursi, is it you on the right?
