Bandera: Newest Hero of Ukraine Recipient?
The Black Monk
(in Ukrainian)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/indepth/story/2008/01/080113_bandera_monument_ak.shtml
Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
The OUN accepted violence as a political tool against foreign and
domestic enemies of their cause. Most of its activity was directed
against the Polish occupiers. Under the command of the Western
Ukrainian Territorial Executive (established February 1929), the OUN
carried out hundreds of acts of sabotage in Galicia and Volhynia,
including a campaign of arson against Polish landowners (which helped
provoke the 1930 Pacification), boycotts of state schools and Polish
tobacco and liquor monopolies, dozens of expropriation attacks on
government institutions to obtain funds for its activities, and some
sixty assassinations. Some of the OUN's victims included Tadeusz
Hołówko, a Polish promoter of Ukrainian/Polish compromise, Emilian
Czechowski, Lviv's Polish police commissioner, Alexei Mailov, a Soviet
consular official killed in retaliation for the Ukrainian Famine, and
most notably Bronisław Pieracki, the Polish interior minister. The OUN
also killed moderate Ukrainian figures such as the respected teacher
(and former officer of the military of the West Ukrainian People's
Republic) Ivan Babii. Such acts were condemned by the head of the
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Metropolitan Andriy Sheptytsky, who
was particularly critical of the OUN's leadership in exile who
inspired the acts of youthful violence, writing that they were "using
our children to kill their parents" and that "whoever demoralizes our
youth is a criminal and an enemy of the people."
BM
vkarl...@yahoo.com
>
> Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
> Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
> non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
> fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
>
Good point.
Because the Western Uke nationalsits hate everything Russian, they
have a little problem: they have never read Pushkin's "Tale of the
Fisherman and the Gold Fish":
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Fisherman_and_the_Fish
In Pushkin's poem, an old man and woman have been living poorly for
many years. They have a small hut, and every day the man goes out to
fish. One day, he throws in his net and pulls out seaweed two times in
succession, but on the third time he pulls out a golden fish. The fish
pleads for its life, promising any wish in return. However, the old
man does not want anything, and lets the fish go. When he returns and
tells his wife about the golden fish, she gets angry and tells her
husband to go ask the fish for a new washboard (their washboard is
broken), and the fish happily grants this small request. The next day,
the wife asks for a new house, and the fish grants this also. Then, in
succession, the wife asks for a palace, to become the ruler of her
province, to become the tsarina, and finally to become the Ruler of
Sea, to subjugate the golden fish completely to her boundless will. As
the man goes to ask for each item, the sea becomes more and more
stormy, until the last request, where the man can hardly hear himself
think. When he asks that his wife be made the Ruler of the Sea, the
fish cures her greed by putting her back in the old cottage and giving
back the broken washboard. The moral of the story is: do not get too
greedy, or you will end up with nothing.
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>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
>
> The OUN accepted violence as a political tool against foreign and
> domestic enemies of their cause. Most of its activity was directed
> against the Polish occupiers. Under the command of the Western
> Ukrainian Territorial Executive (established February 1929), the OUN
> carried out hundreds of acts of sabotage in Galicia and Volhynia,
> including a campaign of arson against Polish landowners (which helped
> provoke the 1930 Pacification), boycotts of state schools and Polish
> tobacco and liquor monopolies, dozens of expropriation attacks on
> government institutions to obtain funds for its activities, and some
> sixty assassinations. Some of the OUN's victims included Tadeusz
> Ho³ówko, a Polish promoter of Ukrainian/Polish compromise, Emilian
> Czechowski, Lviv's Polish police commissioner, Alexei Mailov, a Soviet
> consular official killed in retaliation for the Ukrainian Famine, and
> most notably Bronis³aw Pieracki, the Polish interior minister. The OUN
vello
> On Jan 13, 8:56 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Raising the ante:
>
> > (in Ukrainian)
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/indepth/story/2008/01/080113_bandera_m...
>
> > Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
> > Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
> > non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
> > fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
>
> Good point.
>
> Because the Western Uke nationalsits hate everything Russian, they
> have a little problem: they have never read Pushkin's "Tale of the
> Fisherman and the Gold Fish":
>
Just why must West-Ukes read Pushkin to know about Russia? Pushkin was
not russian by blood, more, had reputation of "anti-russian" writer
trying to kill "real russian soul" with his french-style lyrics.
ElParedon
<vkarl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 13, 8:56 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Raising the ante:
>
> (in Ukrainian)
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/indepth/story/2008/01/080113_bandera_m...
>
> Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
> Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
> non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
> fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
>
Good point.
Because the Western Uke nationalsits hate everything Russian, they
have a little problem: they have never read Pushkin's "Tale of the
Fisherman and the Gold Fish":
Stepan Bandera remains a hero of fighting the Jewish communist oppression in
Ukraine
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Fisherman_and_the_Fish
> Hołówko, a Polish promoter of Ukrainian/Polish compromise, Emilian
> Czechowski, Lviv's Polish police commissioner, Alexei Mailov, a Soviet
> consular official killed in retaliation for the Ukrainian Famine, and
> most notably Bronisław Pieracki, the Polish interior minister. The OUN
ElParedon
"vello" <vell...@hot.ee> wrote in message
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> > Czechowski, Lviv's Polish police commissioner, Alexei Mailov, a Soviet
> > consular official killed in retaliation for the Ukrainian Famine, and
> > also killed moderate Ukrainian figures such as the respected teacher
> > (and former officer of the military of the West Ukrainian People's
> > Republic) Ivan Babii. Such acts were condemned by the head of the
> > Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Metropolitan Andriy Sheptytsky, who
> > was particularly critical of the OUN's leadership in exile who
> > inspired the acts of youthful violence, writing that they were "using
> > our children to kill their parents" and that "whoever demoralizes our
> > youth is a criminal and an enemy of the people."
>
> > BM
Just why must West-Ukes read Pushkin to know about Russia? Pushkin was
not russian by blood, more, had reputation of "anti-russian" writer
trying to kill "real russian soul" with his french-style lyrics.
You sure "know" your Pushkin!
ElParedon
"DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article
> <4f142bc6-41f5-45dc...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, vello
> Because, once in a while, everyone should read something
> good. Pushkin anf Gogol' are best authors to start.
>
>>Pushkin was
>>not russian by blood,
>
Pushkin was an Abysinian Arab
>
>>more, had reputation of "anti-russian" writer
>>trying to kill "real russian soul" with his french-style lyrics.
>
> Balloney. He never had such a reputation.
On this I agree, but nevertheless Pushikin was a revolutionary!
Maxopka
..http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/indepth/story/
2008/01/080113_bandera_monument_ak.shtml
..Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
..Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
..non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
..fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
It will not happen, not by a meek ex-kgbist President Juszcz and
Yulka Telegina,
if only not to render all "moskal-speaking Ukrainian nationalists"
completely beserk.
As for Stepan Bandera , hopefully he shall be remembered not only as
a hero,
but as martyr for Ukrainian cause as well.
The above link to Wikipedia is based partially on reference from: W.
and E. Siemaszko,
For years they wrote incredible stories about the lost paradise of
Wolhynia , and
"murderous banderowcy". I do strongly suggest to read (it's from
Polish source)
the following story , the link below. (in Polish)
http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,76842,4314383.html
Grosso modo, in 1923 in Poland, a Gypsy mother killed her four
children
and nailed them to a tree trunk, after learning about her husband's
arrest (for stealing)
The Polish Psychiatric Paper published the morbid photo of those
children in the same
year of 1923. That very picture was used by W.E.Siemaszko in their
propaganda stating
that it was done by "Banderowcy UPA" to Polish children in Wolyhnia
1943-45, and
to add more punch to the slurr, the victims vere" tied up with barbed
wire" (the old picture
from 1923 of bad quality with fold-lines suggesting wire).
There is a monument in Polish Town of Przemysl, based on 4 Gypsy
children as
"Polish victims murdered by Banderowcy" .Last year the project to
erect the same
thing of 4 kids "murdered by Banderowcy " in the center of Warsaw was
scraped
due to a protest by Polish Intelectuals.
So much for "Banderowcy" Wikipedia, Mr and Mrs. Siemaszko
Regards
Maxopka
Maxopka
> On Jan 13, 8:56 am, The Black Monk <ch....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Raising the ante:
>
> > (in Ukrainian)
>
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/indepth/story/2008/01/080113_bandera_m...
>
> > Were this to happen, it would be much more controversial than the
> > Shukhevych award. UPA under Shukhevych eventually became a somewhat
> > non-ideological broad resistance movement, while Bandera's OUN was
> > fascistic during most of its existence in Ukraine:
>
> Good point.
>
> Because the Western Uke nationalsits hate everything Russian, they
> have a little problem: they have never read Pushkin's "Tale of the
> Fisherman and the Gold Fish":
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The day when Moskals will read more of Pushkin
than sticking their snout in other countries bussines
will be the day.
Pushkin gdie ty ?
va mxu ya po kolena !
Maxopka
vkarl...@yahoo.com
What language is that? Belarusan?
captain.
"DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
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> In article
> <4f142bc6-41f5-45dc...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, vello
> <vell...@hot.ee> wrote:
>
>
> good. Pushkin anf Gogol' are best authors to start.
>
>>not russian by blood,
>
>
>>trying to kill "real russian soul" with his french-style lyrics.
>
>
i'm curious if there are any russians anywhere who hate pushkin. i have not
met one so far.
btw, just started studying "u lukamorya".
vkarl...@yahoo.com
> "DK" <d...@no.email.thankstospam.net> wrote in message
>
> news:x7wij.75$er...@newsfe06.lga...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <vellok...@hot.ee> wrote:
>
> >>Just why must West-Ukes read Pushkin to know about Russia?
>
> > Because, once in a while, everyone should read something
> > good. Pushkin anf Gogol' are best authors to start.
>
> >>Pushkin was
> >>not russian by blood,
>
> > Who the hell do you think he was by blood then???
>
> >>more, had reputation of "anti-russian" writer
> >>trying to kill "real russian soul" with his french-style lyrics.
>
> > Balloney. He never had such a reputation.
>
> i'm curious if there are any russians anywhere who hate pushkin. i have not
> met one so far.
>
> btw, just started studying "u lukamorya".
>
Once you finish "studying" it, read a brilliant follow-up to it by the
other great Russian poet Vladimir Vysotsky. He brilliantly tells us
what happened to the Lukomorie heroes during the Soviet period:
http://www.bard.ru/cgi-bin/mp3.cgi?id=979.07
http://forum.ingenia.ru/viewtopic.php?id=4986
Evidently, Lukomorie doesn't exist anymore.
captain.
<vkarl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://www.bard.ru/cgi-bin/mp3.cgi?id=979.07
http://forum.ingenia.ru/viewtopic.php?id=4986
- thanks for the link.
Maxopka
into forebodings of dangers, of revolutions which may happen, and, finally,
of death and inevitable disease; so that, if he be without what is called
diversion, he is unhappy and more unhappy than the least of his subjects who
plays and diverts himself.
Hence it comes that play and the society of women, war and high posts, are
so sought after. Not that there is in fact any happiness in them, or that
men imagine true bliss to consist in money won at play, or in the hare which
they hunt; we would not take these as a gift. We do not seek that easy and
peaceful lot which permits us to think of our unhappy condition, nor the
dangers of war, nor the labour of office, but the bustle which averts these
thoughts of ours and amuses us.
Reasons why we like the chase better than the quarry.
Hence it comes that men so much love noise and stir; hence it comes that the
prison is so horrible a punishment; hence it comes that the pleasure of
solitude is a thing incomprehensible. And it is, in fact, the greatest
source of happiness in the condition of kings that men try incessantly to
divert them and to procure for them all kinds of pleasures.
The king is surrounded by persons whose only thought is to divert the king
and to prevent his thinking of self. For he is unhappy, king though he be,
if he think of himself.
This is all that men have been able to discover to make themselves happy.
And those who philosophise on the matter, and who think men unreasonable for
spending a whole day in chasing a hare which they would not have bought,
scarce know our nature. The hare in itself would not screen us from the
sight of death and calamities; but the chase, which turns away our attention
from these, does screen us.
The advice given to Pyrrhus, to take the rest which he was about to seek
ElParedon
52Seneca, Epistles, cvi. "We suffer from an excess of literature as from an
excess of anything."
53Cicero, De officiis, i. 31. "What suits each one best is what is to him
the most natural."
54Virgil, The Georgics, ii. "Nature gave them first these limits."
55Seneca, Epistles, cvi. "Wisdom does not demand much teaching."
56Cicero, De finibus bonorum et malorum. "What is not shameful begins to
become so when it is approved by the multitude."
57Terence, Heauton Timorumenos, I. i. 21. "That is how I use it; you must do
as you wish."
58Quintillian, x. 7. "It is rare that one sufficiently respects one's self."
59Seneca the Elder, Suasoriae, i. 4. "So many gods are busy around a single
head."
60Cicero, Academica, i. 45. "Nothing is more shameful than to affirm before
knowing."
61Cicero, Disputationes Tusculanae, i. 25. "I have not shame, as they do, to
admit that I know not what I do not know."
62Seneca, Epistles, lxxii. "It is easier not to begin....
63Lam. 3:1. "I am the man that hath seen."
64"What you seek without knowing, religion will announce to you." Pascal
misquotes Acts 17:23. "Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I
unto you."
65Prov. 8:31. "And my delights were with the sons of men."
66Joel 2:28. "I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh."
67Ps. 82:6. "Ye are gods."
68Is. 40:6. "All flesh is grass."
69Ps. 49:12, 13. "He is like the beasts that perish; this their way is their
folly."
70Eccles. 3:18.
fatso
here is a monument in Polish Town of Przemysl, based on 4 Gypsy
> children as
> "Polish victims murdered by Banderowcy" .Last year the project to
> erect the same
> thing of 4 kids "murdered by Banderowcy " in the center of Warsaw was
> scraped
> due to a protest by Polish Intelectuals.
>
> So much for "Banderowcy" Wikipedia, Mr and Mrs. Siemaszko
> Regards
> Maxopka
Maxopka, you fucking rezun, you lier. Is that what you read in the book
by Siemaszkos? And what about them thousands of women and children
tortured to death, well documented dramas?
Oh, God where are'st you? You do hear this monster and do not make the
Earth fall asunder under the bastards feet?
Anyway, soon the Ottoman Empire, much reinvigorated by the rebirth of
Islam, will rise again. The Turks will show you few tricks and the Poles
might help them. Mark my words: the monuments to Comrades Kossior and
Kaganovitch will grace Kiev's Majdan one day! As Authors of the blessed
Holodomor which may befall your lot again, you skunks!
fatso
Nie pozwol aby cham gownem prychal miast je sam polykac
hr Mendewesz
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We are all in the gutter but some of us can see the stars
Oscar Wilde
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Kogda Krasavitsa na khui brosaiet'sia
Bud' ostorozhien- tripier vazmozhien!
kamerjunker A S Pushkin
captain.
"fatso" <fatso...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Maxopka wrote:
> here is a monument in Polish Town of Przemysl, based on 4 Gypsy
>> children as
>> "Polish victims murdered by Banderowcy" .Last year the project to
>> erect the same
>> thing of 4 kids "murdered by Banderowcy " in the center of Warsaw was
>> scraped
>> due to a protest by Polish Intelectuals.
>>
>> So much for "Banderowcy" Wikipedia, Mr and Mrs. Siemaszko
>> Regards
>> Maxopka
>
> Maxopka, you fucking rezun, you lier. Is that what you read in the book by
> Siemaszkos? And what about them thousands of women and children tortured
> to death, well documented dramas?
> Oh, God where are'st you? You do hear this monster and do not make the
> Earth fall asunder under the bastards feet?
>
> Anyway, soon the Ottoman Empire, much reinvigorated by the rebirth of
> Islam, will rise again. The Turks will show you few tricks and the Poles
> might help them. Mark my words: the monuments to Comrades Kossior and
> Kaganovitch will grace Kiev's Majdan one day! As Authors of the blessed
> Holodomor which may befall your lot again, you skunks!
>
> fatso
>
a touch unstable today fatso?