'The Soviet Story' - Pro-Karelia Interview With Director Edvins Snore
lorad
"04.06.2009
Pro Karelia ry
EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
Edvins Snore is a 35-year old Latvian researcher who has a master’s
degree in political sciences. He is a director who has written and
directed a movie – The Soviet Story – which has acclaimed reputation
all over the world. In his movie his sheds light on the dark side of
World War II which The Soviet Union and Russia have tried to budge
into the oblivion of the history.
Pro Karelia has presented The Soviet Story in about ten towns in
Finland where it has gathered an interested audience, leaving the
audience silent.
On the contrary, the movie has aroused loud reactions and acts of
hatred in certain circles which sympathize the era of Stalin’s red
terror all the way to bringing up lawsuits against Pro Karelia.
In Russia, bringing forth the truth was unbearable, and even an efigy
figure of Edvins Snore has been burned in public in the streets of
Moscow
The Soviet Story is apparently one reason why Russia now insists on
telling the truth of WW II by introducing a specific, so-called anti-
fascist law. An interview of Edvins Snore in Baltezers, near Riga,
Latvia tells about the grounds and aims of the movie.
- The film has been quite widely distributed around the world, both
Eastern and Western Europe, and the United States. The movie premiered
in the European Parliament. We wanted the message to reach the entire
world, but specifically the west. We know our history and the crimes
of the Soviet Union, but for the west, they are not familiar with
them.
I am very delighted about the popularity the movie has gained and I
hope it has made a difference, particularly in the west. I observe
lots of reactions and receive emails from various individuals. They
tend to tell that the movie teaches them new things of which they were
never aware of.
The schools only taught of the victorious allies, and that the Nazi
Germany was evil. They did not know that one of the allied, the Soviet
Union, was a corrupt government which killed several millions more
people than did the nazis.
I should think that the change that has taken place is a psychological
one and that people begin gradually to understand. It is important to
make films, not just books and articles. The crimes committed by the
nazis, the holocaust and the genocide are well understood in the west.
This is because there exist films which prove those. People get to see
the genocides and the atrocities on a film, such as the horrible
images from rescued concentration camps in 1945.
There are, however, no films of the GULAG, because it had never been
liberated. The inmates who got there, mostly never returned. There is
but one episode from 1942 when hundreds of thousands Poles were hauled
to gulags during 1939-1940 while the Russians conquered the half of
Poland.
When the nazis attacked the Soviet Union the soviets came up with an
idea. The Polish people were released from the GULAG and shipped west.
There they would meet the British who, in turn, would take photos of
them. Despite feeding the prisoners before release, it was possible to
see the starving corpses of the gulag prisoners.
There never has been filmed material in west about the GULAG which is
why you may speak of 20 million casualties, and it means nothing to
them.
When the atrocities are shown, and when the victims tell about their
miseries, it forms a visual and emotional image and brings forth
emotions. Unless there are emotions, there will be no compassion nor
activity. It is possible to think that it is something evil but it is
difficult to compare it to the atrocities committed by the nazis.
The change within Europe, and within European organizations (EC, EP)
is really taking place. I can see that. Still, a few years back when
the Baltic countries arranged a common anniversary of the
deportations, they invited the president of the European Parliament to
attend. He never showed up.
The delegation presented the EP a portray plate to remember these
atrocities and to pay respect to the victims. Few years back a
journalist asked to see the plate. But they could not find it, it was
stored somewhere in the basement and forgotten. This is a small but
very typical gesture. I cannot imagine that a plate commemorating the
victims of the nazis would and could not have been lost. The attitude
towards the victims of communism was nothing less of neglect.
Nowadays the resolutions of the European organizations condemn the
communist crimes and regimes. The change has happened, and while the
current president of the EU Parliament, Hans-Gert Pöttering was here
in Latvia, he said that a communist regime is a criminal regime and it
should be condemned.
How do we get to the next level in adopting to these things? As I see
it, the most important thing is to inform people of what took place.
People in both east and west are ignorant of these affairs. Russia
does its best in order to nullify the distribution of information.
They don’t want the world to know about the atrocities of the Soviet
Union such as the mass murder of Katyn. They can’t deny it, but they
wish not to get to the bottom of it because it would not bring glory
to the Red Army.
History is just not the glory of the Red Army which is why it is
important to inform people what really happened. When people are well-
informed, the change will take place naturally. People from all wlaks
of life, politicians, the youth, people in various positions will
understand and arrive to the right conclusions.
It is not a secret that it was people who committed these Soviet
atrocities. These people should be placed responsible for their acts.
Many of them are still alive. It is not right that these people are
alive and receive badges of honor while e.g. Latvian GULAG victims
lead a miserable life.
I have met those who have been not just prisoners, but who have been
on the concentration camps working on the arctic circle. Many of them
are invalids. Now they still have to lead miserable life because they
do not have money to buy medicine or sometimes even food.
Russia does not pay them a pension or any other form of support, yet
it continues to financially support NKVD/KGB concentration camp
guards.
There has been a manhunt of nazi criminals, and they have been brought
to justice, which I feel is right. Only the same thing should be done
to those criminals who worked for NKVD and KGB.
At the moment I have no concrete plans of making more films. Most of
my energy is consumed by research. I’m in the process of making a
doctoral thesis on western reactions to the famine of Ukraine in
1930’s. It’s a quite uncharted territory and a neglected subject.
The west has had this certain attitude that when there has been
progress in the east, the west has kept silent. This has led to many
horrific things, such as the genocide of Ukraine.
I should think that the win-win concept is a decent one, and I agree.
It may just be what it takes to have the Soviet criminal face the
court. Deep down it does not boil down to revenge. Rather, it is meant
to easy the life of those who already have suffered.
It also serves the best interest of this nation. I don’t think that
e.g. sentencing Dzintars (a Latvian KGB worker) as a criminal would
hurt Latvia as a nation to the slightest bit. It is exactly equal to
nazi criminals. Who thinks that suing them somehow would hurt Germany?
Nobody feels that way.
This is why I can’t even begin to understand why the people who rule
Russia think that charging Soviet criminals would harm Russia. As I
wrote in my article to Pro Karelia, this should not be surprising,
given that the current Russian rulers have KGB backgrounds.
If you should visit the web site of FSB, they list their leaders
stemming from Dzersinsky, Ezhov, Beria. They themselves think that it
still remains the same organization. Nobody has been convicted because
there has been no change in Russia. This is why they are perfectly
unwilling according to the spirit of justice, because they would have
to make their own to face the court.
One ironic angle to the Soviet crimes is that the United States
provided the Soviet Union an enormous amount of material support as so-
called Lend-Lease Aid [converted to current rate as a burden for
today’s economy, it would amount to $2,000 Billion] (2 Trillion
dollars).
The irony of the help is that a great deal of weapons, goods, and food
provided to the Soviet Union were used to commit war crimes. One
example of this is the genocidal deportations of a number of ethnic
groups (Checens, Crimean Tartars, etc.) in 1944, which used
extensively American-provided transport and equipment.
A book, “The Forsaken”, written by Tim Tzouliadis tells about American
communists who left for Russia in the 1930’s. They wound up in the
GULAG.
There is an episode in the book from the year 1944 when the Vice
President of the United Sates, Henry Wallace, made a visit to the
death camp of Kolyma. The Russians built in the GULAG a stage not seen
since “The Potemkin villidge”. The Vice President returned home
assuring everyone that everything is all right. Consequently, deluded
people volunteered to go and work there hard.
Lend-Lease products shipped via Alaska mostly ended up in the GULAG.
There is a striking episode in the “The Foresaken” of how the starving
prisoners observe NKVD-guards eating American tinned food, and
receiving nothing of it.
The change of which Edvins Snore addresses has begun also in Finland.
Finlandization is gradually subsiding and an open review of the past
war gains momentum. There is still plenty to do before the convictions
of those found guilty of war crimes have been reverted, and the return
of Karelia and other occupied territories has happened.
This is work which requires the support of every patriotic Finn. The
work of Edvins Snore supports this line of work in Finland, and on the
other hand, the work of the Finns lends support to achieving the goals
he pursues in the Baltic countries.
Additional information: Veikko Saksi"
http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1810&author=10
Vladimir Makarenko
> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>
> "04.06.2009
> Pro Karelia ry
>
> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>
> degree in political sciences.
End of story. When people have nothing to say they say: a master in
political sciences. My Akita has a PhD in Cat's Psychology. Read her
mono - "On the Nature of Evil: Cats". (about five thousand pages, case
by case - starting with an Egypt Pharaohs.) The Cat (her name is April)
who lives depending on weather - in garage or front porch - she has a
heated igloo there, wrote the rebuttal - (three pages) "Akitas are
biased - One cannot trust them".
VM.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>
> "04.06.2009
> Pro Karelia ry
>
> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>
> degree in political sciences. He is a director who has written and
> all over the world. In his movie his sheds light on the dark side of
> World War II which The Soviet Union and Russia have tried to budge
> into the oblivion of the history.
>
> Pro Karelia has presented The Soviet Story in about ten towns in
> Finland where it has gathered an interested audience, leaving the
> audience silent.
>
> On the contrary, the movie has aroused loud reactions and acts of
> in Latvia, he said that a communist regime is a criminal regime and it
> should be condemned.
>
> How do we get to the next level in adopting to these things? As I see
> it, the most important thing is to inform people of what took place.
> People in both east and west are ignorant of these affairs. Russia
> does its best in order to nullify the distribution of information.
>
> Union such as the mass murder of Katyn. They can�t deny it, but they
> wish not to get to the bottom of it because it would not bring glory
> to the Red Army.
>
> History is just not the glory of the Red Army which is why it is
> important to inform people what really happened. When people are well-
> informed, the change will take place naturally. People from all wlaks
> of life, politicians, the youth, people in various positions will
> understand and arrive to the right conclusions.
>
> It is not a secret that it was people who committed these Soviet
> atrocities. These people should be placed responsible for their acts.
> Many of them are still alive. It is not right that these people are
> alive and receive badges of honor while e.g. Latvian GULAG victims
> lead a miserable life.
>
> I have met those who have been not just prisoners, but who have been
> on the concentration camps working on the arctic circle. Many of them
> are invalids. Now they still have to lead miserable life because they
> do not have money to buy medicine or sometimes even food.
>
> Russia does not pay them a pension or any other form of support, yet
> it continues to financially support NKVD/KGB concentration camp
> guards.
>
> There has been a manhunt of nazi criminals, and they have been brought
> to justice, which I feel is right. Only the same thing should be done
> to those criminals who worked for NKVD and KGB.
>
> At the moment I have no concrete plans of making more films. Most of
> doctoral thesis on western reactions to the famine of Ukraine in
>
> The west has had this certain attitude that when there has been
> progress in the east, the west has kept silent. This has led to many
> horrific things, such as the genocide of Ukraine.
>
> I should think that the win-win concept is a decent one, and I agree.
> It may just be what it takes to have the Soviet criminal face the
> court. Deep down it does not boil down to revenge. Rather, it is meant
> to easy the life of those who already have suffered.
>
> e.g. sentencing Dzintars (a Latvian KGB worker) as a criminal would
> hurt Latvia as a nation to the slightest bit. It is exactly equal to
> nazi criminals. Who thinks that suing them somehow would hurt Germany?
> Nobody feels that way.
>
> Russia think that charging Soviet criminals would harm Russia. As I
> wrote in my article to Pro Karelia, this should not be surprising,
> given that the current Russian rulers have KGB backgrounds.
>
> If you should visit the web site of FSB, they list their leaders
> stemming from Dzersinsky, Ezhov, Beria. They themselves think that it
> still remains the same organization. Nobody has been convicted because
> there has been no change in Russia. This is why they are perfectly
> unwilling according to the spirit of justice, because they would have
> to make their own to face the court.
>
> One ironic angle to the Soviet crimes is that the United States
> provided the Soviet Union an enormous amount of material support as so-
> called Lend-Lease Aid [converted to current rate as a burden for
> dollars).
>
> The irony of the help is that a great deal of weapons, goods, and food
> provided to the Soviet Union were used to commit war crimes. One
> example of this is the genocidal deportations of a number of ethnic
> groups (Checens, Crimean Tartars, etc.) in 1944, which used
> extensively American-provided transport and equipment.
>
> communists who left for Russia in the 1930�s. They wound up in the
> GULAG.
>
> There is an episode in the book from the year 1944 when the Vice
> President of the United Sates, Henry Wallace, made a visit to the
> death camp of Kolyma. The Russians built in the GULAG a stage not seen
> assuring everyone that everything is all right. Consequently, deluded
> people volunteered to go and work there hard.
>
> Lend-Lease products shipped via Alaska mostly ended up in the GULAG.
> prisoners observe NKVD-guards eating American tinned food, and
> receiving nothing of it.
>
> The change of which Edvins Snore addresses has begun also in Finland.
> Finlandization is gradually subsiding and an open review of the past
> war gains momentum. There is still plenty to do before the convictions
> of those found guilty of war crimes have been reverted, and the return
> of Karelia and other occupied territories has happened.
>
> This is work which requires the support of every patriotic Finn. The
> work of Edvins Snore supports this line of work in Finland, and on the
> other hand, the work of the Finns lends support to achieving the goals
> he pursues in the Baltic countries.
>
> Additional information: Veikko Saksi"
> http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1810&author=10
>
So how does one obtain a copy of the film, so that one can present it
as a gift to the local libraries?
I definitely think that this is a worthwhile thing for all readers
of this forum to do locally. So perhaps it will cost each one
$30-$40 US. That's inexpensive in todays' terms.
So I urge you all, including persons like: DK (dr. Dima Klenchin),
Makarenko, Vkarlamov, the cap'n ... to act.
--
Rostyk
to do it.
Vladimir Makarenko
My father was Ukrainian 101%.
I don't even like to talk about it - you whores use it to your political
adavntage.
You Galician traitors did unspeakable licking SS asses. You still try to
pose yourselves as "freedomfighters" - but I know who really were.
No peace. No way.
Onw thing you can do - come and say: We Are Really Sorry.
Till then - face a War. You want a War? So be it. Did I mentioned we do
not take POW?
Traitors. That is your Name.
Now I guess when Nazi gone - whose ass you chose to lick?
I am so angry because you drove me into it. Enjoy.
because it may point to Soviets "Like farther like son"
VM
captain!
to bring about the "change" that he discusses in his interview. more and
more are becoming aware of the crimes of "the communists" because there is
simply much more access to information for the curious.
in regards to russians themselves, there is a whole range of opinion; from
straight denial to complete acceptance.
the leadership is an other matter entirely.
captain!
"Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:B5KdncsADc7LkKDX...@giganews.com...
> lorad wrote:
>> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>>
>> "04.06.2009
>> Pro Karelia ry
>>
>> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>>
>> degree in political sciences.
>
> End of story. When people have nothing to say they say: a master in
> political sciences. My Akita has a PhD in Cat's Psychology. Read her
> mono - "On the Nature of Evil: Cats". (about five thousand pages, case by
> case - starting with an Egypt Pharaohs.) The Cat (her name is April) who
> lives depending on weather - in garage or front porch - she has a heated
> igloo there, wrote the rebuttal - (three pages) "Akitas are biased - One
> cannot trust them".
>
> VM.
you're probably correct when you say that he is biased. i detected a flavor
of it while i read. regardless; he does bring up valuable points and it's
not enough to ignore them just because he is biased. let's face it: a
passionate advocate is almost always at least a little biased.
captain!
"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:yY9%l.13160$Xw4....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> lorad wrote:
>> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>>
>> "04.06.2009
>> Pro Karelia ry
>>
>> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>>
>> degree in political sciences. He is a director who has written and
>> all over the world. In his movie his sheds light on the dark side of
>> World War II which The Soviet Union and Russia have tried to budge
>> into the oblivion of the history.
>>
>> Pro Karelia has presented The Soviet Story in about ten towns in
>> Finland where it has gathered an interested audience, leaving the
>> audience silent.
>>
>> On the contrary, the movie has aroused loud reactions and acts of
>> in Latvia, he said that a communist regime is a criminal regime and it
>> should be condemned.
>>
>> How do we get to the next level in adopting to these things? As I see
>> it, the most important thing is to inform people of what took place.
>> People in both east and west are ignorant of these affairs. Russia
>> does its best in order to nullify the distribution of information.
>>
>> Union such as the mass murder of Katyn. They can�t deny it, but they
>> wish not to get to the bottom of it because it would not bring glory
>> to the Red Army.
>>
>> History is just not the glory of the Red Army which is why it is
>> important to inform people what really happened. When people are well-
>> informed, the change will take place naturally. People from all wlaks
>> of life, politicians, the youth, people in various positions will
>> understand and arrive to the right conclusions.
>>
>> It is not a secret that it was people who committed these Soviet
>> atrocities. These people should be placed responsible for their acts.
>> Many of them are still alive. It is not right that these people are
>> alive and receive badges of honor while e.g. Latvian GULAG victims
>> lead a miserable life.
>>
>> I have met those who have been not just prisoners, but who have been
>> on the concentration camps working on the arctic circle. Many of them
>> are invalids. Now they still have to lead miserable life because they
>> do not have money to buy medicine or sometimes even food.
>>
>> Russia does not pay them a pension or any other form of support, yet
>> it continues to financially support NKVD/KGB concentration camp
>> guards.
>>
>> There has been a manhunt of nazi criminals, and they have been brought
>> to justice, which I feel is right. Only the same thing should be done
>> to those criminals who worked for NKVD and KGB.
>>
>> At the moment I have no concrete plans of making more films. Most of
>> doctoral thesis on western reactions to the famine of Ukraine in
>>
>> The west has had this certain attitude that when there has been
>> progress in the east, the west has kept silent. This has led to many
>> horrific things, such as the genocide of Ukraine.
>>
>> I should think that the win-win concept is a decent one, and I agree.
>> It may just be what it takes to have the Soviet criminal face the
>> court. Deep down it does not boil down to revenge. Rather, it is meant
>> to easy the life of those who already have suffered.
>>
>> e.g. sentencing Dzintars (a Latvian KGB worker) as a criminal would
>> hurt Latvia as a nation to the slightest bit. It is exactly equal to
>> nazi criminals. Who thinks that suing them somehow would hurt Germany?
>> Nobody feels that way.
>>
>> Russia think that charging Soviet criminals would harm Russia. As I
>> wrote in my article to Pro Karelia, this should not be surprising,
>> given that the current Russian rulers have KGB backgrounds.
>>
>> If you should visit the web site of FSB, they list their leaders
>> stemming from Dzersinsky, Ezhov, Beria. They themselves think that it
>> still remains the same organization. Nobody has been convicted because
>> there has been no change in Russia. This is why they are perfectly
>> unwilling according to the spirit of justice, because they would have
>> to make their own to face the court.
>>
>> One ironic angle to the Soviet crimes is that the United States
>> provided the Soviet Union an enormous amount of material support as so-
>> called Lend-Lease Aid [converted to current rate as a burden for
>> dollars).
>>
>> The irony of the help is that a great deal of weapons, goods, and food
>> provided to the Soviet Union were used to commit war crimes. One
>> example of this is the genocidal deportations of a number of ethnic
>> groups (Checens, Crimean Tartars, etc.) in 1944, which used
>> extensively American-provided transport and equipment.
>>
>> communists who left for Russia in the 1930�s. They wound up in the
>> GULAG.
>>
>> There is an episode in the book from the year 1944 when the Vice
>> President of the United Sates, Henry Wallace, made a visit to the
>> death camp of Kolyma. The Russians built in the GULAG a stage not seen
>> assuring everyone that everything is all right. Consequently, deluded
>> people volunteered to go and work there hard.
>>
>> Lend-Lease products shipped via Alaska mostly ended up in the GULAG.
>> prisoners observe NKVD-guards eating American tinned food, and
>> receiving nothing of it.
>>
>> The change of which Edvins Snore addresses has begun also in Finland.
>> Finlandization is gradually subsiding and an open review of the past
>> war gains momentum. There is still plenty to do before the convictions
>> of those found guilty of war crimes have been reverted, and the return
>> of Karelia and other occupied territories has happened.
>>
>> This is work which requires the support of every patriotic Finn. The
>> work of Edvins Snore supports this line of work in Finland, and on the
>> other hand, the work of the Finns lends support to achieving the goals
>> he pursues in the Baltic countries.
>>
>> Additional information: Veikko Saksi"
>> http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1810&author=10
>>
> Fine, fine.
> So how does one obtain a copy of the film, so that one can present it
> as a gift to the local libraries?
> I definitely think that this is a worthwhile thing for all readers
> of this forum to do locally. So perhaps it will cost each one
> $30-$40 US. That's inexpensive in todays' terms.
> So I urge you all, including persons like: DK (dr. Dima Klenchin),
> Makarenko, Vkarlamov, the cap'n ... to act.
> --
> Rostyk
> to do it.
sorry rusty, but it's not my fight. besides, haven't you ever heard of
torrents?
Vladimir Makarenko
Sorry.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> lorad, i honestly feel that the internet has played a large part in helping
> to bring about the "change" that he discusses in his interview. more and
> more are becoming aware of the crimes of "the communists" because there is
> simply much more access to information for the curious.
>
Maybe if there was an Internet in 30-ties there were no WWII.
Just a gambling guess.
VM.
Vladimir Makarenko
> "Vladimir Makarenko" <vma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:B5KdncsADc7LkKDX...@giganews.com...
>> lorad wrote:
>>> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>>>
>>> "04.06.2009
>>> Pro Karelia ry
>>>
>>> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>>>
>>> degree in political sciences.
>> End of story. When people have nothing to say they say: a master in
>> political sciences. My Akita has a PhD in Cat's Psychology. Read her
>> mono - "On the Nature of Evil: Cats". (about five thousand pages, case by
>> case - starting with an Egypt Pharaohs.) The Cat (her name is April) who
>> lives depending on weather - in garage or front porch - she has a heated
>> igloo there, wrote the rebuttal - (three pages) "Akitas are biased - One
>> cannot trust them".
>>
>> VM.
>
>
> you're probably correct when you say that he is biased. i detected a flavor
> of it while i read. regardless; he does bring up valuable points and it's
> not enough to ignore them just because he is biased. let's face it: a
> passionate advocate is almost always at least a little biased.
>
I do not ignore him, but when he starts with opening: "I wish you all
Russian Mongol Tatar be dead" I kinda freak out, not because I feel
threatened but because I do know many people there who are real Saints.
I maybe myself more close to Devil than Saints but I still do not like
it, he opens a door - I walk through it: let's look who can be more mean.
VM.
lorad
> captain! wrote:
> > you're probably correct when you say that he is biased. i detected a flavor
> > of it while i read. regardless; he does bring up valuable points and it's
> > not enough to ignore them just because he is biased. let's face it: a
> > passionate advocate is almost always at least a little biased.
>
> I do not ignore him, but when he starts with opening: "I wish you all
> Russian Mongol Tatar be dead" I kinda freak out, not because I feel
> threatened but because I do know many people there who are real Saints.
> I maybe myself more close to Devil than Saints but I still do not like
> it, he opens a door - I walk through it: let's look who can be more mean.
> VM.-
Who wishes that you russian soviet mongols should be dead... your
imaginary phantom strawman friend?
Stop eating bad dog-food comrade makaron you are experiencing
stalinist hallucinations, again.
The facts do not need any of your biasing, they speak condemnation for
soviet russia and its unrepentant political creatures (sovoks) like
you.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:yY9%l.13160$Xw4....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> lorad wrote:
>>> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>>>
>>> "04.06.2009
>>> Pro Karelia ry
>>>
>>> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional information: Veikko Saksi"
>>> http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1810&author=10
>>>
>> Fine, fine.
>> So how does one obtain a copy of the film, so that one can present it
>> as a gift to the local libraries?
>> I definitely think that this is a worthwhile thing for all readers
>> of this forum to do locally. So perhaps it will cost each one
>> $30-$40 US. That's inexpensive in todays' terms.
>> So I urge you all, including persons like: DK (dr. Dima Klenchin),
>> Makarenko, Vkarlamov, the cap'n ... to act.
>> --
>> Rostyk
>
> torrents?
>
is just incorrect. My name is not related to Russel.
2) You have often written of your interest in that invasion and then
in the siege of St. Petersburg. Also you have written of your interest
in film. So although you are not Finn, I don't understand your back
pedaling.
3) What is torrents, and how is it relevant here?
I have heard the word in connection with downloading of media files.
--
Rostyk
lorad
wrote:
> lorad wrote:
> > For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>
> > "04.06.2009
> > Pro Karelia ry
>
> > EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>
> > degree in political sciences. He is a director who has written and
> > all over the world. In his movie his sheds light on the dark side of
> > World War II which The Soviet Union and Russia have tried to budge
> > into the oblivion of the history.
>
> Fine, fine.
> So how does one obtain a copy of the film, so that one can present it
> as a gift to the local libraries?
> I definitely think that this is a worthwhile thing for all readers
> of this forum to do locally. So perhaps it will cost each one
> $30-$40 US. That's inexpensive in todays' terms.
> So I urge you all, including persons like: DK (dr. Dima Klenchin),
> Makarenko, Vkarlamov, the cap'n ... to act.
> --
> Rostyk
> to do it.
This is their offical site:
http://www.sovietstory.com/about-the-film/flash-trailer/
(you tube trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqEf2FSbrdY )
The russkie KGB types apparently don't like it at all:
"One of the critics of the film, Alexander Dyukov, a prominent Russian
historian, declared:
"After watching two thirds of the film, I had only one wish: to kill
its director and to burn down the Latvian Embassy."[13] "
..which means that it's probably an excellent and factual film.
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
>
> Vladimir Makarenko wrote:
>> Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
>>> lorad wrote:
>>>> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>>>>
>>>> "04.06.2009
>>>> Pro Karelia ry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Additional information: Veikko Saksi"
>>>> http://www.prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1810&author=10
>>>>
>>> Fine, fine.
>>> So how does one obtain a copy of the film, so that one can present it
>>> as a gift to the local libraries?
>>> I definitely think that this is a worthwhile thing for all readers
>>> of this forum to do locally. So perhaps it will cost each one
>>> $30-$40 US. That's inexpensive in todays' terms.
>>> So I urge you all, including persons like: DK (dr. Dima Klenchin),
>>> Makarenko, Vkarlamov, the cap'n ... to act.
>>
>> My father was Ukrainian 101%.
>>
>> VM
> Sorry - I just lost my temper and said all these unfair ugly things.
>
> Sorry.
>
> VM.
>
So why did you lose your temper when urged to do something righteous?
--
Rostyk
Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr.
> Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
> > lorad wrote:
> >> For educational purposes.. some typo corrections by me:
>
> >> "04.06.2009
> >> Pro Karelia ry
>
> >> EDVINS SNORE AND THE SOVIET STORY
>
> >> degree in political sciences. He is a director who has written and
> >> all over the world. In his movie his sheds light on the dark side of
> >> World War II which The Soviet Union and Russia have tried to budge
> >> into the oblivion of the history.
>
> >> Pro Karelia has presented The Soviet Story in about ten towns in
> >> Finland where it has gathered an interested audience, leaving the
> >> audience silent.
>
> >> On the contrary, the movie has aroused loud reactions and acts of
> >> in Latvia, he said that a communist regime is a criminal regime and it
> >> should be condemned.
>
> >> How do we get to the next level in adopting to these things? As I see
> >> it, the most important thing is to inform people of what took place.
> >> People in both east and west are ignorant of these affairs. Russia
> >> does its best in order to nullify the distribution of information.
>
> >> Union such as the mass murder of Katyn. They can’t deny it, but they
> >> wish not to get to the bottom of it because it would not bring glory
> >> to the Red Army.
>
> >> History is just not the glory of the Red Army which is why it is
> >> important to inform people what really happened. When people are well-
> >> informed, the change will take place naturally. People from all wlaks
> >> of life, politicians, the youth, people in various positions will
> >> understand and arrive to the right conclusions.
>
> >> It is not a secret that it was people who committed these Soviet
> >> atrocities. These people should be placed responsible for their acts.
> >> Many of them are still alive. It is not right that these people are
> >> alive and receive badges of honor while e.g. Latvian GULAG victims
> >> lead a miserable life.
>
> >> I have met those who have been not just prisoners, but who have been
> >> on the concentration camps working on the arctic circle. Many of them
> >> are invalids. Now they still have to lead miserable life because they
> >> do not have money to buy medicine or sometimes even food.
>
> >> Russia does not pay them a pension or any other form of support, yet
> >> it continues to financially support NKVD/KGB concentration camp
> >> guards.
>
> >> There has been a manhunt of nazi criminals, and they have been brought
> >> to justice, which I feel is right. Only the same thing should be done
> >> to those criminals who worked for NKVD and KGB.
>
> >> At the moment I have no concrete plans of making more films. Most of
> >> doctoral thesis on western reactions to the famine of Ukraine in
>
> >> The west has had this certain attitude that when there has been
> >> progress in the east, the west has kept silent. This has led to many
> >> horrific things, such as the genocide of Ukraine.
>
> >> I should think that the win-win concept is a decent one, and I agree.
> >> It may just be what it takes to have the Soviet criminal face the
> >> court. Deep down it does not boil down to revenge. Rather, it is meant
> >> to easy the life of those who already have suffered.
>
> >> e.g. sentencing Dzintars (a Latvian KGB worker) as a criminal would
> >> hurt Latvia as a nation to the slightest bit. It is exactly equal to
> >> nazi criminals. Who thinks that suing them somehow would hurt Germany?
> >> Nobody feels that way.
>
> >> Russia think that charging Soviet criminals would harm Russia. As I
> >> wrote in my article to Pro Karelia, this should not be surprising,
> >> given that the current Russian rulers have KGB backgrounds.
>
> >> If you should visit the web site of FSB, they list their leaders
> >> stemming from Dzersinsky, Ezhov, Beria. They themselves think that it
> >> still remains the same organization. Nobody has been convicted because
> >> there has been no change in Russia. This is why they are perfectly
> >> unwilling according to the spirit of justice, because they would have
> >> to make their own to face the court.
>
> >> One ironic angle to the Soviet crimes is that the United States
> >> provided the Soviet Union an enormous amount of material support as so-
> >> called Lend-Lease Aid [converted to current rate as a burden for
> >> dollars).
>
> >> The irony of the help is that a great deal of weapons, goods, and food
> >> provided to the Soviet Union were used to commit war crimes. One
> >> example of this is the genocidal deportations of a number of ethnic
> >> groups (Checens, Crimean Tartars, etc.) in 1944, which used
> >> extensively American-provided transport and equipment.
>
> >> communists who left for Russia in the 1930’s. They wound up in the
> >> GULAG.
>
> >> There is an episode in the book from the year 1944 when the Vice
> >> President of the United Sates, Henry Wallace, made a visit to the
> >> death camp of Kolyma. The Russians built in the GULAG a stage not seen
> >> assuring everyone that everything is all right. Consequently, deluded
> >> people volunteered to go and work there hard.
>
> >> Lend-Lease products shipped via Alaska mostly ended up in the GULAG.
Krylov's elephant getting mad at Moska. How weird....