Putin says Stalin was bad but not as bad as a Nazi - TorStar - 5May2005
Stefan Lemieszewski
Toronto Star
5May2005
Stalin bad but not a Nazi: Putin
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BERLIN In unusually critical comments, Russian President Vladimir Putin
called Josef Stalin a tyrant in a newspaper interview released today and
then said separately at the Kremlin that the Soviet dictator's notorious
purges failed to destroy the ``viability" of Russia.
Putin rarely criticizes Stalin, who is widely considered responsible for
millions of deaths before and after the Second World War. Many of them took
place during the Great Terror of the 1930s and during sweeping purges that
decimated top Soviet military leadership.
The comments come days before Putin hosts world leaders Monday for
ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of the Allied victory over Nazi
Germany. In a joint interview with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder
released in Germany, Putin was quoted as saying: ``It goes without saying
that Stalin was a tyrant, whom many call a criminal, but he was not a Nazi."
Russians have stressed that Stalin should not be equated with Hitler.
The interview was to be published in tomorrow's edition of the popular
German newspaper Bild. The newspaper released the comments today. Putin's
press service said it also would be posted on the Kremlin website tomorrow.
At the Kremlin ceremony, state medals were handed out to about 40 people,
including Second World War veterans, cosmonauts, teachers and scholars, four
days ahead of the Victory Day celebrations.
"Our country, our people, our society were viable in 1941, in spite of all
the attempts by the regime at the time to destroy this viability through
repression," he said, according to a Kremlin transcript of his comments.
"It is difficult to find a more sacred and unifying day than May 9," Putin
said. "We have no right to simply forget about the sacrifices that were made
for the fatherland and for world civilization by our nation."
Putin has stressed the major role that the Soviet Union played in the defeat
of Germany during the Second World War, but he has made little mention of
the Soviet government's persecution of its own people and those from eastern
and central Europe following the war.
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«Pas de deux»
stupid on Monday. I hope Vaira and others are ready with their replies.
GK
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Franceski
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Captain!
>
>
> Toronto Star
> 5May2005
> Stalin bad but not a Nazi: Putin
>
>
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
>
> BERLIN In unusually critical comments, Russian President Vladimir Putin
> called Josef Stalin a tyrant in a newspaper interview released today and
> then said separately at the Kremlin that the Soviet dictator's notorious
> purges failed to destroy the ``viability" of Russia.
>
good for him! stalin suxx.
daniloff
"Captain!" <Spammer...@now.net> wrote in message
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> good for him! stalin suxx.
Khrushchov rulz!!! :-)))
lora...@cs.com
Stefan Lemieszewski wrote:
> Toronto Star 5May2005 Stalin bad but not a Nazi: Putin
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
>
> BERLIN In unusually critical comments, Russian President Vladimir
Putin
> called Josef Stalin a tyrant in a newspaper interview released today
and
> then said separately at the Kremlin that the Soviet dictator's
notorious
> purges failed to destroy the ``viability" of Russia.
Pootey must finally be feeling the international heat.
> Putin rarely criticizes Stalin, who is widely considered responsible
for
> millions of deaths before and after the Second World War. Many of
them took
> place during the Great Terror of the 1930s and during sweeping purges
that
> decimated top Soviet military leadership.
..And the russian people (41%) still love him for it. This makes me
think that modern russian is 41% composed of Stalin era chekists and
their descendants.
> The comments come days before Putin hosts world leaders Monday for
> ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of the Allied victory over
Nazi
> Germany. In a joint interview with German Chancellor Gerhard
Schroeder
> released in Germany, Putin was quoted as saying: ``It goes without
saying
> that Stalin was a tyrant, whom many call a criminal, but he was not a
Nazi."
No, he just killed 60 million people.
> Russians have stressed that Stalin should not be equated with Hitler.
Correct. Stalin killed many more people than Hilter.
> The interview was to be published in tomorrow's edition of the
popular
> German newspaper Bild. The newspaper released the comments today.
Putin's
> press service said it also would be posted on the Kremlin website
tomorrow.
>
> At the Kremlin ceremony, state medals were handed out to about 40
people,
> including Second World War veterans, cosmonauts, teachers and
scholars, four
> days ahead of the Victory Day celebrations.
One of the medals being handed out by Putin's administration is a new
Stalin medal that Pootey ordered to be created.
> "Our country, our people, our society were viable in 1941, in spite
of all
> the attempts by the regime at the time to destroy this viability
through
> repression," he said, according to a Kremlin transcript of his
comments.
>
>
> "It is difficult to find a more sacred and unifying day than May 9,"
Putin
> said. "We have no right to simply forget about the sacrifices that
were made
> for the fatherland and for world civilization by our nation."
Sure you do. Everybody else has.
> Putin has stressed the major role that the Soviet Union played in the
defeat
> of Germany during the Second World War,
Raping and pillaging everything between the Nemanas and the Oder was
indeed a notable russian atrocity.
> ...but he has made little mention of
> the Soviet government's persecution of its own people and those from
eastern
> and central Europe following the war.
Of course not.
Anyone making new mwdals of Stalin is unlikely to.
Uno Hu
«Pas de deux»
USSR.
Perhaps Vaira should then stand up and say "Did we ask for deportations
too?"
GK
"Franceski" <lu...@me.ca> wrote in message
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> Stefan Lemieszewski wrote:
> [..]
> No, he just killed 60 million people.
Total number of executed in c.a. 1923-1953 do not exceed 700000.
GULAG population by year (both camps and colonies), as of Jan, 1 each
year:
1934 510307
1935 965742
1936 1296494
1937 1196369
1938 1881570
1939 1672438
1940 1659992
1941 1929729
1942 1777043
1943 1484182
1944 1179819
1945 1460677
1946 1703095
1947 1721543
1948 2199535
1949 2356685
1950 2561351
1951 2528146
1952 2504514
1953 2468524
Not much of 60000000, er?
> > Russians have stressed that Stalin should not be equated with
Hitler.
>
> Correct. Stalin killed many more people than Hilter.
See above.
> [..]
> Anyone making new mwdals of Stalin is unlikely to.
>
> Uno Hu
Stalin was the only worthy Russian leader of XX century.
«Pas de deux»
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Good to see surrealism isn't dead yet.
Franceski
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The Black Monk
Ukraine, Volga, etc.
BM
Evgenij Barsukov
Add 7 million Ukrainians killed in artificial femine (including
11 brothers and sisters of my grand-grandpa who was the only one
who survived from his 12-members family by running past cordons to
Kirovograd).
Regards,
Evgenij
daniloff
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Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Well, I suppose.
He can be considered better than his other communist
predecessors and also some of his successors till
Gorby. :-)))
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> One of the medals being handed out by Putin's administration is a new
> Stalin medal that Pootey ordered to be created.
>
I wonder what the winners of that medal had to do to desrve it? :-D :-p
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
> You haven't included the millions killed through forced famines,in
> Ukraine, Volga, etc.
>
> BM
>
But at least he didn't try for a complete refutation by arguing that
Stalin did not personally kill any, or only a small number of
individuals personally, and the rest was all done by someone else.
:-)
Captain!
> Fuckoff daniloff.
>
sigh. poor, poor GK.
Captain!
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people should refuse to accept it.
lora...@cs.com
tar...@ihed.ras.ru wrote:
> lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> > Stefan Lemieszewski wrote:
> > [..]
> > No, he just killed 60 million people.
>
> Total number of executed in c.a. 1923-1953 do not exceed 700000.
> GULAG population by year (both camps and colonies), as of Jan, 1 each
> year:
>
> 1934 510307
> Not much of 60000000, er?
Not in your chekist pea-brain, obviously.
> > > Russians have stressed that Stalin should not be equated with
> Hitler.
> >
> > Correct. Stalin killed many more people than Hilter.
>
> See above.
Referring to chekist fantasy numbers is not a proper way to discusss
history and russian war crimes.
> > Anyone making new mwdals of Stalin is unlikely to.
> >
> > Uno Hu
>
> Stalin was the only worthy Russian leader of XX century.
Stalin - who killed his own wife and other members of his own family -
was a cowardly psychopath who died slowly (hours) while writhing on the
floor of his own office - because his own chekist assistants were too
scared to disturb him.
..Much as someone would avoid messing with a rabie dog.
Anyone attempting to glorify such a perambulating piece of toxic filth
should see psychiatrist sooner rather than later.
Uno Hu
PS (Your family name isn't Yagoda or Beria, is it?)
Slawko
brought to justice for Stalin's Russian's crimes. And was there one
person out all of these millions of victims was ever paid a penny as
monetary appropriation. Was there one out of all these countries ever
made attemp to take Russia to any court to make Russia pay the "Victims"
money for the crimes. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "As Germany
was brought to international court by the Western Allies and they made
Germany pay and still paying the victems money even today for Hitlers
crimes"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thats why Putin even today praises
Stalin, because he did make Russia a "Supper Power" and most of Russians
don't give a damn how much and whoes blood was spilled during the Soviet
Uninion. Stalin and Russians only cared for Russia to survive as a "
World Supper Power." And Putins dream is the same and it will be there
for a long time because the West has a "Blind Eye to the Crimes" that
were commited by Russia's Soviet Uninion. Most of Western Europe needs
Russia and their "Black Gold=Oil" more then ever before.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thats the difference between Hitler
and Stalin, Germany paid and paying for Hitler crimes and Russia and
Russian's dreaming of Stalin's Soviet Uninion. With out the Western
support all of "We-You-Us-Me" can only talk about the abuse and crimes
in the past that were committed by Russia's Soviet Uninion. You can
write you can read and you can cry but thats all you can do. Thats all
folks have good one.