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TURKEY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE TURK CYPRIOTS/DENKTASH AGAINST ANAN PLAN

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Manos

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Jul 26, 2003, 5:37:22 PM7/26/03
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Being Nationalistic and Individual in Cyprus

In the last week of June, the European Council Parliamentarians'
Assembly accepted the two reports that accused Turkey [of violations].
One of these is about the rights of the Greeks and Marunites living in
the North side and the second is, "The migrants coming from Turkey are
colonizing the occupied lands." This second report asserts that
because of this migration population, the structure of TRNC (Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus) has changed significantly, and because
they [the migrants] are easily given [Cypriot] citizenship, Turkish
Cypriots started to leave the Island on a large scale. In other words,
the Council of Europe wasn't just watching out for the rights of
Christians or the Southern people, but also was watching out for the
rights of the Northern Cypriot (native) Turks.

While our official reaction was limited to unproductive objections for
the reports to be obstructed, our 'sensitive' public opinion did not
do any research and pretended not to see this because we don't like to
hear such things. For us, it's not important what the people are going
through, but what is more important is which position to defend for
our national benefits. When you look at the situation from this
perspective, the individual entity loses its meaning and gets melted
away in the concepts of 'nation' and 'state.' Real people's wishes,
dreams, beliefs, sufferings, pains and sacrifices, only find meaning
in a bigger and besieging nationalism. But on the other hand, this
also states spiritual and national values constituting a hierarchy
within the self... How Turkish Cypriots are the instrument of Cyprus
politics, now the 'child land' is well a part of the beneficial
perspective of the 'mother land.'

However for this perspective to work, the public has to acquire and
absorb this perspective. Even if you obstruct the opposition in the
'mother land' through the talents of disinformation and manipulations,
operation of the state politics is nevertheless in need of a minimum
democracy in the Cypriot society living through the events on its own.
In case the democracy points are an anti-thesis to the national
thesis, an atmosphere is needed to push the democracy to the sub level
of the hierarchy of the national values to make it [democracy]
subordinate. The classic way of doing this is to produce an external
threat...For this reason, for example, Denktas says if Turkish troops
were to be withdrawn [from TRNC] there will be massacre... But the
same Denktas is against the Annan plan, which will legitimize the
presence of Turkish troops in Cyprus.

This is because Denktas's real problem isn't the people who are trying
to live there with their blood and flesh. It is because of the
official mentality based on a subjective imaginary 'national' Turkish
Cypriot. This approach is naturally unable to perceive the opposite
side from the concrete type of people. They also are being seen as the
instrument of their own hierarchy of national values. That is why
Denktas thinks that as a rude sentence like, "If there were a Turkish
diffusionist, then Southern Cyprus would have been Turkish by now,' is
an intelligent view. With the same reason, the pens of the official
statement are trying to find the remedy in a more united and national
Turkishness.

Unfortunately the more nationalistic Turkishness becomes, the more
Turks are being lost ...The pressures, blackmails and spiritual
surroundings are now bouncing back... Due to the results of their
experiences, the people of Cyprus have developed a rude but strong
criterion...[They] Do not want the face or the voice of the status
quo... There was a news item detailed in Zaman on November 24, 2002
that introduced us to the Dipkarpaz's Sipahi village: "........... In
front of this neglected mosque there are Turkish and Cypriot flags
side by side, and in front of these there is a sculpture portrait of
Ataturk, which we are used to seeing in front of schools. The Turks
living in the village do not make any comments about the Ataturk bust,
but are contented by saying, 'We did not put it'." Is there anything
more to say?

July 21, 2003

WolfWolf

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Jul 26, 2003, 10:31:09 PM7/26/03
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U.S. Department of State
Remarks with Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul After Their Meeting
July 24, 2003

[...]
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, any concrete step for the Cyprus issue in the discussion?

SECRETARY POWELL: We discussed the need to not lose the opportunity that is before us.
And I commented favorably on the proposal that has been left on the table by the
Secretary General and encouraged my Turkish friend to work with Mr. Denktash, and we
would work with both sides to see if we can not get some movement quickly. We see a
lot of things happening on the ground as the people themselves are now moving back and
forth.

We want to convert that into a substantive agreement in the political world and come
up with a comprehensive settlement. And I know the Minister has that same goal and
we're working hard, but there were no new initiatives. We kind of reviewed the state
of play of the discussions.
[...]
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/22745.htm

Read it again, manos, "... a comprehensive settlement. And I know the Minister has
that same goal...."
Are you telling us that Powell is Denktash's mouthpiece, or which other evasion occurs
to you now?!?
WolfWolf 14 - manos 0.
Hehehehe!!!

BTW - what about reciprocating confidence-building measures? Any new idea?!?

With amusement

WolfWolf
The European

plat4

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Jul 26, 2003, 10:49:30 PM7/26/03
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All this shows is that Turkey needs the U.S. to light a fire under her
ass. Same shit different day. And you actually thought that you *found*
something LOL!. Always a pleasure wolfy Mr. wannabe European.

WolfWolf

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Jul 26, 2003, 11:36:47 PM7/26/03
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Weaseling out, aren't we, manos???
Sorry, doesn't work!!
Didn't you say that Turkey doesn't care about a Cyprus settlement???
Now, as we prove you wrong one more time, instead of admitting your lies and
apologizing as any honest poster would do, you're coming up again with your usual
stale stupidities.
Not very smart, manos - seems like your capabilities are vanishing away.
You and your propaganda masters will have a hard time in the coming months.
This is not a threat - it's a promise.

Always with amusement

WolfWolf
The European

Seanie O'Kilfoyle

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Jul 26, 2003, 11:41:40 PM7/26/03
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"WolfWolf" <myn...@email.net> wrote in message
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Nice one Wolfy

How many more *comprehensive* bitchslapping sessions can FAT4 aka woManos
stand ?

*LOL*


Seanie O'Kilfoyle

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Jul 26, 2003, 11:43:50 PM7/26/03
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"plat4" <pl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> All this shows is that Turkey needs the U.S. to light a fire under her
> ass. Same shit different day. And you actually thought that you *found*
> something LOL!. Always a pleasure wolfy Mr. wannabe European.
>
>
>

Well done woManos

In trying lamely to save your fat face, you've somehow managed to say, and
achieve, NOTHING

Bitchyslappy makes a happy chappie

*ROTFL*


Manos

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Jul 27, 2003, 9:15:30 PM7/27/03
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