Water powered cars by 2009
iz...@rock.com
water_engine.Cars running on water? Here's another group of scientists
who say yes, it's possible. Researchers from the University of
Minnesota and Israel's Weizman Institute of Science have figured out a
way to use the element Boron to coax water into producing hydrogen gas.
That, of course, is quite flammable and can be used to power an
internal combustion engine or a fuel cell. And the only emission? Boron
Oxide, which can be converted back into Boron and used again.
We've heard things like this before, to a hail of incredulous comments
and cries of "bullshit!".
We've also heard of a guy in Australia who actually showed his
water-powered scooter running on Australian TV but wouldn't reveal how
it was done. And here it is again, and now they're saying we'll see a
prototype by 2009. This seems too good to be true. Will the oil
companies buy this out and kill it? Is this another fable, a la David
Mamet's The Water Engine?
Water Engine for Real? Scientists Say H20-to-Hydrogen System Could Be
Ready by Decade's End [Jalopnik]
Ventura
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/fuelcell.html
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gco...@eagle.ca
iz...@rock.com wrote:
> Water-Powered Cars by 2009? Maybe.
>
> water_engine.Cars running on water? Here's another group of scientists
> who say yes, it's possible. Researchers from the University of
> Minnesota and Israel's Weizman Institute of Science have figured out a
> way to use the element Boron to coax water into producing hydrogen gas.
> That, of course, is quite flammable and can be used to power an
> internal combustion engine or a fuel cell. And the only emission? Boron
> Oxide, which can be converted back into Boron and used again.
>
> We've heard things like this before, to a hail of incredulous comments
> and cries of "bullshit!".
>
> We've also heard of a guy in Australia who actually showed his
> water-powered scooter running on Australian TV but wouldn't reveal how
> it was done.
Because it was running on petrol.
> And here it is again, and now they're saying we'll see a
> prototype by 2009. This seems too good to be true.
Maybe, though, they'll have something going by 2012.
If so, they'll be putting boron in and taking B2O3 out.
That means it's running on boron. A good idea,
but no violation of natural law.
--- G. R. L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan
Boron: internal combustion, nuclear cachet:
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html
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gco...@eagle.ca wrote:
>
> --- G. R. L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan
> Boron: internal combustion, nuclear cachet:
> http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html
Interesating paper. Thanks.
Wikipedia has a less technical article at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hydrogen_from_Water_using_Boron
The Wiki article says that calculations predict that a car carrying 18
kilograms of boron and 45 litres of water could produce 5 kilograms of
hydrogen, the same energy content as a 40-litre tank of conventional
fuel.The article also says that Crystalline boron (99%) costs about
$5/g. Amorphous boron costs about $2/g, so one (40-litre conventional
fuel) tank's worth equivalent of 18 kg of boron would cost $9,000.00 at
$2/g.
After a drive to grandma's house, most of the boron would have been
converted to B2O3. The paper you cite says that elemental boron is
currently priced 23 to 400 times more for a pound without oxygen than
for a pound with, so the B2O3 might be worth between $25 and $400, vs.
the original $9000 cost of the 18kg of elemental boron. Processes
exist for recovering elemental boron from B203; the cost of applying
those processes would probably be roughly the difference in price
between B2O3 and the elemental boron, plus a bit -- somewhere between
$8500 and $9000, say. If service stations existed where B2O3 could be
exchanged for elemental boron (one would not wish to remove his car
from service and room with grandma while his boron charge was being
recycled), the cost to make that exchange might be about $10,000
($8500-$9000 plus a bit). That would be for the equivalent of filling
a 40 litre tank with conventional fuel.
Tchiowa
iz...@rock.com wrote:
> Water-Powered Cars by 2009? Maybe.
>
> water_engine.Cars running on water? Here's another group of scientists
> who say yes, it's possible. Researchers from the University of
> Minnesota and Israel's Weizman Institute of Science have figured out a
> way to use the element Boron to coax water into producing hydrogen gas.
> That, of course, is quite flammable and can be used to power an
> internal combustion engine or a fuel cell. And the only emission? Boron
> Oxide, which can be converted back into Boron and used again.
At an energy cost far greater than the energy it produced to drive the
car. Ever heard of "entropy"?
> We've heard things like this before, to a hail of incredulous comments
> and cries of "bullshit!".
Are you ready????
Bullshit.
Feelers
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For sure, deoxidation has to get cheaper.
But supposing it never did, it's interesting to
consider what a rich toy-buyer, think Jay Leno
with his purchase a year or two ago of an electric,
think it was a Li-ion electric, could get.
You mention service stations. But boron is more like
aluminum than it is like gasoline. Along with the boron-burning
car, the rich enthusiast could buy a lifetime supply of boron
for it, ~100 sacks of pellets, and stack them at the back
of his garage. If the garage burned down,
the sacks might burn away and spill the pellets,
but the pellets would still be good.
Peter Webb
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>
> iz...@rock.com wrote:
>> Water-Powered Cars by 2009? Maybe.
>>
>> water_engine.Cars running on water? Here's another group of scientists
>> who say yes, it's possible. Researchers from the University of
>> Minnesota and Israel's Weizman Institute of Science have figured out a
>> way to use the element Boron to coax water into producing hydrogen gas.
>> That, of course, is quite flammable and can be used to power an
>> internal combustion engine or a fuel cell. And the only emission? Boron
>> Oxide, which can be converted back into Boron and used again.
>
> At an energy cost far greater than the energy it produced to drive the
> car. Ever heard of "entropy"?
>
The Law of Conservation of Energy would seem more relevant.
>> We've heard things like this before, to a hail of incredulous comments
>> and cries of "bullshit!".
>
> Are you ready????
>
> Bullshit.
>
Indeed.