Re: UK Prisoner dies in Laos prison
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> 14 May 2008
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> UK Citizen Michael Newman was found dead in his prison cell this
> morning where he was detained in the squalid conditions of Phonthong
> Prison, Laos. He had been desperately ill for over a week and was
> refused medical treatment.
>
> Foreign Prisoner Support Service [FPSS] have been requesting for some
> for the UK Government to urgently negotiate a prisoner transfer
> agreement that would allow its citizens detained in Laos, Vietnam and
> other asian countries, to be repatriated to correctional facilities in
> the UK. FPSS has issued numerous warnings to the UK Government about
> the fatal conditions inside Phonthong Prison Laos where foreigners and
> political prisoners are systematically tortured and ill-treated.
>
> Michael Newman died needlessly.
>
> Fellow UK prisoner, John Watson, remains in Phonthong prison on a life
> sentence for drug related offences. John met with his Embassy today
> after the removal of Newman's body from the prison. He was clearly
> distraught and begged the Embassy to assist him in his plea to be
> repatriated to the UK. There is no medical facility in the prison
> should anyone fall ill. Prisoners who complain of sickness are often
> ignored due to a lack of medical resources and lack of skilled medical
> staff.
>
> FPSS urge the UK Government to seek the repatriation of John Watson
> immediately before his life too expires. John has been reporting
> illness for several months now and is extremely depressed.
>
> Michael Newman [UK]http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/case-michael-newman.html
>
> John Watson [UK]http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/case-john_watson.html
>
> Phonthong Prisonhttp://www.usp.com.au/fpss/prison-phonthong.html
First of all, Asian is a proper noun. Address us with respect. Use
CAPS when you use the word 'Asian'. Give us Asians proper respect, we
are worthy of a capital 'A'.
Secondly, John Watson shouldn't have committed crime in Laos if he
wasn't ready to accept the punishment in Laos. If he wanted to be in
a British prison, he should have committed the crime in Britain.
'nuf said.
Your friend,
Larry
Moobsib
Can you elaborate as to how he died?
Thanks,
MS
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John Watson isn't dead. He is alive and shaking in his sandals
regretting the day he committed his crime in Laos.
Your friend,
Larry
cwjmem
what crime does he commit. Underage girl, opium, marijuana or just
simply NO NAM CHAI for the officials?
Mogee
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The FPSS website is listing it as drug trafficking. 555 grams of meth
to be exact.
Guy did the crime, now he's doing the time. Hard to feel sorry for
him. He's serving a life sentence. Medical attention will just
prolong the sentence.
pebhmo...@yahoo.com
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Any one who commit crime need to be punish, doesn't matter he is UK or
USA. This what I want to be done.
pizone
it's not hurt to be nice, prisoners are human being too. remember ho
chimin, souphanouvong, phoumy et all, including nelson mandela and
john mccann used to be prisoners too. punish people according to their
crime is the right way to do. there's no need to kill them in any way,
direct or indirect ways.
being 'lao' suppose to be 'nice'.
pizone
> USA. This what I want to be done.- Hide quoted text -
listh...@yahoo.com
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In LPDR, a person can either committe a crime or not committe a crime,
he or she always guilty with the LPDR. There is no right to lawyers,
there is no human wrong. A person is automatic guilty if arrested. The
only human right people have in LPDR is are AK 47, Buzuka, and
trigger. Many of you can not wait until I mentioned this and call me a
Terriost. I am not. I just tell the true. Those the killed, raped,
murdered like the LPDR are killeriost.
Look at the three Hmong America men. they were arrested by LPDR in
Phonsavan, Xiengkhoung, Laos on August 05, 2007 and murdered on
10/08/07 at Vientiane. LPDR fated their signatures and lie that they
have gone to Thailand on August 29, 2007.
The international communities already open the door for the LPDR to
murder innocent people after these three Hmong Men. They said nothing,
and do nothing. The cases are up to the Hmong People.
More Innocent people will be arrested, disappears in LPDR because the
international community did nothing about this these men. The only
safe way for people who visit LPDR and live with LPDR is with the
Hmong People in the Jungle, so, if you need to be rescue in LPDR, call
upon the Hmong Hmong who has a history of rescued the French, the US
Pilot, and others.
Hmong Freedom II, Laryf's enomy
KD
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Of course Larry... guilty people ought to be punished according to the
law. No one is arguing that! But people detained in Laos prisons
should not be continued to be tortured and ill treated. The Laos
government signed onto the UN Declaration of Human Rights on 7
December 2000 and as well, signed other UN treaties to uphold Human
rights. There are numerous cases that highlight violations of these
treaties. Understandably change does take a while to come through
because some people either don't understand what these treaties mean
or they fail to interpret them appropriately. I believe the Laos
authorities are planning to open up Phonthong Prison to visitors, if
what they told the foreign diplomats is correct. They are doing
renovations in Phonthong Prison now which is supposed to have a
visitation room. Let's hope they finally allow the red cross to set up
a weekly clinic or similar so that prisoners, who are still part of
the human race, can recieve proper medical treatment and don't die of
curable diseases or sickness.
Some of these prisoners are eventually going to be released into our
society. Prison reforms should be looking at how these prisoners can
be rehabilitated so that when they are released they won't re-offend.
Surely no one with a sound mind would argue that point?
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So you choose to ignore that I have pointed out that you spelled the
word 'Asian' with a lower case 'a'. That's OK, we'll let that go.
You then want to tell us how we should let criminals who broke the
laws of our country serve time in their own countries. I merely said
that if they want to serve time in their countries, then break the
laws there. Plain and simple. Too hard for you to follow? All of
your jibberish below has absolutely nothing to do with my comment.
> Of course Larry... guilty people ought to be punished according to the
> law. No one is arguing that!
No one in here said that anyone was arguing hat point. Your above
comment is irrelevent. Don;t like Laos jail? Don't break the law in
Laos!
> But people detained in Laos prisons
> should not be continued to be tortured and ill treated.
You have yet to provide any proof to back up the above claim.
> The Laos
> government signed onto the UN Declaration of Human Rights on 7
> December 2000 and as well, signed other UN treaties to uphold Human
> rights. There are numerous cases that highlight violations of these
> treaties.
You have yet to provide any proof to back up the above claim.
<<irrelevent jibberish snipped>>
> Some of these prisoners are eventually going to be released into our
> society. Prison reforms should be looking at how these prisoners can
> be rehabilitated so that when they are released they won't re-offend.
> Surely no one with a sound mind would argue that point?
Trust me miss Dane, prisoners leaving Laos' prison are 1,000 times
less likely to re-offend than prisoners leaving Australian prison,
British prison or American prison. What's your point? Are you an
idiot or are you stupid?
Fix prisoner reform program in your own country before you try to fix
prisoner reform in our country, thank you very much. The US, Britain
and Australia have some of the highest rate of re-offenders in the
world! Your point only disproves your claim. I ask again, are you an
idiot or are you just stupid?
BTW 555 grams of meth is more than half a kilo. Do you have any idea
how many lives that can ruin? John Watson's life is insignificant
compared to the lives that that half a kilo can affect. Who knows how
many lives he has ruined in Britain and other countries before he was
eventually caught in Laos? Let him go and others will say "Hey, Laos
is a push over country. If we get caught, we can just get deported."
Bottom line, he got what he deserved.
Your friend,
Larry
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<<irrelevent jibberish snipped>>
> Some of these prisoners are eventually going to be released into our
> society. Prison reforms should be looking at how these prisoners can
> be rehabilitated so that when they are released they won't re-offend.
> Surely no one with a sound mind would argue that point?
Trust me miss Dane, prisoners leaving Laos' prison are 1,000 times
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Re: UK Prisoner dies in Laos prison:
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>BTW 555 grams of meth is more than half a kilo. Do you have any idea
>Your friend,
>Larry
hmmmm, i miss this thread ;-)
in my a person arrested for possession of 15 gm, or more, of dangerous drugs
(as defined in the my dangerous drugs act,) faces mandatory DEATH penalty (sec
139 of the said act). No court, even the king, can repeal immediately the
sentence.
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caveat fair use notice:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
Good soldier
Had he been arrested in Malaysia or Singapore with that much Meth he
would have been hung. No jury trial, no rehabilitation, just weigh the
stuff, if it is over the limit the law considers it proof of being a
dealer and the death sentence is automatic. One appeal to the
President or P.M. which is never answered and up you go.
Cheers,
schweik
(Correct Address is goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
dony
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Friends,
There is no sympathy for drug dealers. Those people knew that drug is
illegal but still do it anyway. They know the consequence and should
bear the consequence. Many of our young Lao people are affected by
these thugs.
ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ
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Luckily Lao prison guards are not gays
if you’re jailed in any Mediterranean Countries
most of their guards are gay, small man like
Brush-ass will be pale in couple days.
jonatha...@thomson.com
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Larry, grow up out of your inferiority complex. Using lower case is
just about saving time. And why anyway is Asia worthy of respect?
Accept that fact that Asia is packed with vile dictatorships run by
corrupt vain childlike goons. It is not acceptable to say if you
commit a crime in a place like Laos it is right that you get treated
worse than an animal. It is right to say that this state is an
illegetimate parody of a country. When Asia has free and fair
elections, a free press, trial by jury and leaders who are removed by
democracy when they are no longer wanted then you will be worthy of
respect. Until then you must accept your place as second class
citizens in relation to the West, which broadly speaking respects
human rights and upholds the value of democracy. The vicious corrupt
little pigmies who run Laos are beneath contempt. RIP Michael Newman
PS I hope the China Olympics are the biggest public humiliation for
that bunch of pigs.It's simply what they deserve.
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> BHL,
>
> Kay Dane, she can shout, cry, scream as loud as she wants from the
> bottom of her own lungs on behalf of herself in her own opinion, and
> that's only her version of the opinion. But her earlier thread has
> really crossed another clumsy line with her racist comment especially
> on her white race preference treatment from which she has just turned
> herself into another little white trash instead of keeping her little
> advocate more respectful down the road. I didn't allow myself go down
> to that trashy discriminatory path with my previous reply.
>
> Hak Phaeng,
> Vannassay,
>
> On May 22, 11:46 am, ທ້າວໃຂ່ມືດ <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 15, 3:41 pm, Vannassay <van.si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It seems to me that this thread might be posted in the wrong forum, if
> > > not that would be deliberately looking for provocation with a
> > > premeditated mindset in favor of white race prisoners over the others.
> > > A comment like such doesn’t really evoke any real empathy from any
> > > conscious readers with such biased statement, because the argument
> > > seems to undermine the basic principle of equal rights so
> > > hypocritically preached in the West or Australia. To some extent, the
> > > poster tries even to suggest the argument toward a more favorable
> > > rights for the white prisoners than actually what they have violated
> > > in their host country, and to say that the violator can even evade the
> > > entire Lao justice altogether with graciously going back to their
> > > native country. How can this be interpreted, if not a showcase of
> > > despotism in the suggesting? I thought that we all learned from the
> > > history book about this kind of dominance by threat.
>
> > > I have a few practical simple advices in preventive medicine to all
> > > these white foreigners will-be violators of the law in Laos, in order
> > > to avoid these mediocre hardship altogether, thus they should have
> > > better known ahead either from their own chatterbox media or any other
> > > source that Lao prison is not a five stars Hilton hotel facility with
> > > even less to their standard in medical treatment or psychological
> > > counseling…If they violate the local law which is law almost the same
> > > everywhere, and that’s where they end up with the rest of the crowd…I
> > > can agree if the argument applies to all prisoners regardless of
> > > gender or race…The absurdity here is to save another white guy as this
> > > one is so unique at the expense of the entire useless human pool in
> > > incarceration, and this leads us directly to the same very questions
> > > about the kangaroo court of justice at Guatanamo, and the Australian
> > > Aborigines’ forced separation injustice in their own backyard over a
> > > century ago, yes, over a century?.
>
> > > Of course, everything has to be in humane as said including killing a
> > > lot of innocent civilians by bombs as long as the end justifies the
> > > mean. And where we go from here? How about the law enforcement and
> > > justice for the local innocent victim to whom the white culpable has
> > > done etc…Another suggestion may be fairer is to let Australia finance
> > > the entire Lao prison system by making into a luxurious Hilton hotel
> > > type of facility so the prisoners can play happily when that’s picture
> > > taken like tourists! So Michael Newman may have laid beautifully in
> > > luxury. In such prejudice world, sometimes that has to do with lack
> > > of financial support even in a prison than lack of will as we can
> > > imagine with an assured difference in picture between poor man’s
> > > prison and rich man’s one.
>
> > > Vannassay,
>
> > I think you hit the nail the head ai Vanh.
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> > Hak Pang,
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Kay Dane needs to wake up. She comes in here asking for pity for drug
pushers and other criminals like herself every couple of months. Then
every once in a while she would point out the poor beggar children in
Cambodia and Laos and not say or do anything about their plight. What
a lady she is. NOT!
Your friend,
Larry
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> On Jun 16, 7:51 pm, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Kay,
> > Laos was not your home but a place where you and your husband used to
> > plunder our national well and treasure. In top of it, Laos was a
> > country where you had and your criminal husband have been convicted
> > for economic crime. You yourself tried to escape and a large sum of
> > money in cash out from our country.
> > Stop divert the opinion from your crime.
>
> > On Jun 16, 6:02 am,KD<kay_da...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > > when it signed on to the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Yet there is
> > > still widespread torture and ill treatment in the prisons. This is the
> > > point that needs to be made and those in power need to consider the
> > > affects of their signing onto such agreements.
>
> > > I have never once said that prisoners who commit offences such as drug
> > > trafficking should be given a free ticket out of Laos... they should
> > > be held accountable. They should be taken to trial, they should be
> > > sentenced according to the Lao law. But they should also be treated in
> > > accordance with the minimum standards of treatment for prisoners NOT
> > > hotel guests!!!
>
> > > The three US-Hmong citizens that were detained at Phonthong Prison
> > > were not treated fairly according to many. they were denied access to
> > > their Embassy. They were denied even entering the country until proof
> > > was provided that they did enter. The authorities claim they exited to
> > > Thailand and yet there is no record. They are not white foreigner....
> > > they are human being... which makes them entitled to certain rights
> > > under international law. Their dissappearance needs to be explained
> > > because it has the potential to undermine future US investors to
> > > Laos.
>
> > > I have every right to raise my concerns because Laos was once my home
> > > too! It was not my fault that some stupid and corrupt police colonel
> > > foolishly exposed himself and his foreign minister to the plot of
> > > overthrowing President Siphandone. They got what they deserved and
> > > President Siphandone was all the wiser!
>
> > > There are prisoners in Laos detained for political reasons and not
> > > ever subjected to a trial. How can anyone here argue that it is
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> know of that subject. Your foreign minister Somsavat was trying to
> overthrow President Khamtay Siphandone and perhaps Yong... you were
> part of that ... I don't know. But in any case, President Siphandone
> saw through the deception and worked a solution to allow my husband
> and I to return home to Australia. the money you speak of was returned
> to me at the court and according to Lao law, was not in any violation
> of carrying money because of the resolution made to assist foreign
> investors in transacting business. You need to become more familiar
> with your law I think.
>
> In any case, prisoner in Lao jail is similar to prisoner in Lao
> country. I am not advocating to set prisoners free... I am advocating
> human rights. There is a huge difference you know. As for some stupid
> comments about me making money from books... well that just further
> shows people's ignorance. Unless you are world famous best selling
> author then you dont' make much money at all from books. Go do the
> math. I don't care what you all call me... I don't see you doing
> anything constructive at all. You snipe away at me for wanting to call
> for prison reforms, human rights, to preserve legal integrity, fair
> trials and human treatment for all people.... I wonder why you object
> so much that I call for these things that you yourselves should
> certainly aspire to! Go think for a while and see if you don't look
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Good thing your husband and you weren't locked up in the US. Huh?
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/16753796/detail.html
"UPPER MARLBORO, Md. -- The FBI and Maryland State Police on Tuesday
continued to investigate the strangulation of a 19-year-old man found
dead in his cell a day after he was jailed on charges of running over
and killing a police officer."
Your friend,
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