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Paris, France
15.6 million visitors (2007)
Tuk Tuk Tip: Most people think the best view of Paris is from the
Eifel Tower. However, there is only one skyscraper that was ever
permitted to be built in Paris, the Montparnasse Tower, which blocks
part of the view of the city. For 6 euro you can taken an elevator to
the observation deck at the Montparnasse Tower (taller than the Eifel
Tower). It is the best unobstructed view of Paris since you are
standing on the only skyscraper. Plus, you don't have to wait in line
at the Eifel tower or climb the stairs to get the great view.
London, United Kingdom
14.8 million visitors (2008)
Tuk Tuk Tip: You can buy half price theatre tickets in Leicester
Square for same-day shows. Go to the booth called TKTS, which is run
by The Society of London Theatre. It is the only free standing booth
actually within the square. They have the best seats and are the most
trustworthy ticket vendor. Be sure to line up early.
Bangkok, Thailand
10.84 million visitors (2007)
Tuk Tuk Tip: Tuk Tuks are open-air motorized carts that are a common
means of transportation for tourists. They are great for the cultural
experience, but after you’ve had your fun with the tuk tuks, taxis are
the way to go. Taxis are cheaper, faster, and air-conditioned. Taxis
are metered by law, so if a taxi doesn’t have a meter, don’t take it.
Singapore, Singapore
10.1 million visitors (2008)
Tuk Tuk Tip: The government is pretty strict with rules to keep
people in order (the result is a meticulous city that is clean and
safe). Do not cross the street against the light or you risk a fine of
$100. As far as rumors of being arrested for chewing gum goes, you can
chew it, but you can't distribute it to other people. In other words,
don't be a gum dealer.
New York City, United States
9.5 million visitors (2008)
Tuk Tuk Tip: At the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the admittance fee is
only suggested. You can pay a penny and get in.
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Hong Kong, China
7.94 million visitors (2008)
Istanbul, Turkey
7.05 million visitors (2008)
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
6.9 million visitors (2007)
Shanghai, China
6.66 million visitors (2007)
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6.12 million visitors (2007)
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4.99 million visitors (2007 )
Barcelona, Spain
4.72 million visitors (2008)
Madrid, Spain
4.64 million visitors (2008)
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4.5 million (2007)
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
4.4 million visitors (2007)
Beijing, China
4.4 million visitors (2007)
Moscow, Russia
4.1 million visitors (2008)
Prague, Czech Republic
4.1 million visitors (2008)
Amsterdam, Netherlands
3.66 million (2008)
Vienna , Austria
3.53 million (2008)
PG
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>10.84 million visitors (2007)
>Tuk Tuk Tip: Tuk Tuks are open-air motorized carts that are a common
>means of transportation for tourists. They are great for the cultural
>experience, but after you�ve had your fun with the tuk tuks, taxis are
>the way to go. Taxis are cheaper, faster, and air-conditioned. Taxis
>are metered by law, so if a taxi doesn�t have a meter, don�t take it.
Taxis are "faster"? Have you actually been to Bangkok?! The only motorised
vehicle that is faster than a slow walk at certain times of day, is the
motorbike taxi, if you are prepared to take your life into your hands.... As
for "air-conditioned", you either die of oxygen starvation travelling a mile
in two hours if city 'air' is kept out, or you have nicely cooled carbon
monoxide fumes filtered into the taxi. Not an easy choice...
pg
Chris Blunt
wrote:
>As
>for "air-conditioned", you either die of oxygen starvation travelling a mile
>in two hours if city 'air' is kept out, or you have nicely cooled carbon
>monoxide fumes filtered into the taxi. Not an easy choice...
Just out of interest, how many cases of death from lack of oxygen
caused by traveling in an air-conditioned vehicle have ever been
recorded?
Chris
PG
fmgqd5paim209epea...@4ax.com...
Look up hyperbole, Chris :)
Actually it would be quite possible, except that the vehicles are never
completely airtight. So for the pedants, let's call it oxygen deprivation...
pg
Nick Cramer
> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
> >
> >>As
> >>for "air-conditioned", you either die of oxygen starvation travelling a
> >>mile
> >>in two hours if city 'air' is kept out, or you have nicely cooled
> >>carbon monoxide fumes filtered into the taxi. Not an easy choice...
> >
> > Just out of interest, how many cases of death from lack of oxygen
> > caused by traveling in an air-conditioned vehicle have ever been
> > recorded?
>
> Look up hyperbole, Chris :)
>
> Actually it would be quite possible, except that the vehicles are never
> completely airtight. So for the pedants, let's call it oxygen
> deprivation...
I've taken a lot of meter taxis in Bangkok, engaged several driven vehicles
from there to Chiang Mai. The air conditioning worked well in all of them.
Oxygen deprivation? Those A/C's make an Arctic Blast!
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PG
"Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>> > "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>As
>> >>for "air-conditioned", you either die of oxygen starvation travelling a
>> >>mile
>> >>in two hours if city 'air' is kept out, or you have nicely cooled
>> >>carbon monoxide fumes filtered into the taxi. Not an easy choice...
>> >
>> > Just out of interest, how many cases of death from lack of oxygen
>> > caused by traveling in an air-conditioned vehicle have ever been
>> > recorded?
>>
>> Look up hyperbole, Chris :)
>>
>> Actually it would be quite possible, except that the vehicles are never
>> completely airtight. So for the pedants, let's call it oxygen
>> deprivation...
>
> I've taken a lot of meter taxis in Bangkok, engaged several driven
> vehicles
> from there to Chiang Mai. The air conditioning worked well in all of them.
> Oxygen deprivation? Those A/C's make an Arctic Blast!
Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of the
coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think it's
healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees outside.
pg
maxwell
> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>> > "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>As
>>> >>for "air-conditioned", you either die of oxygen starvation travelling a
>>> >>mile in two hours if city 'air' is kept out, or you have nicely cooled
>>> >>carbon monoxide fumes filtered into the taxi. Not an easy choice...
>>> >
>>> > Just out of interest, how many cases of death from lack of oxygen
>>> > caused by traveling in an air-conditioned vehicle have ever been
>>> > recorded?
>>>
>>> Look up hyperbole, Chris :)
>>>
>>> Actually it would be quite possible, except that the vehicles are never
>>> completely airtight. So for the pedants, let's call it oxygen
>>> deprivation...
>>
>> I've taken a lot of meter taxis in Bangkok, engaged several driven vehicles
>> from there to Chiang Mai. The air conditioning worked well in all of them.
>> Oxygen deprivation? Those A/C's make an Arctic Blast!
> Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of the
> coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think it's
> healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees outside.
> pg
Getting out of the sun to rest in a cool place and restoring fluids is
basic treatment for moderate heat exhaustion, which itself can
precipitate a number of pre-existent maladies--and this is true even
for some who've grown up in tropical climates.
It's no more 'obscure' a practice than going about with a sun parasol,
while risk from aircon *can* be present from the circulation of molds
or other airborne pathogens--but *not* from the cold itself.
However, popping into the cold shop can precipitate respiratory
problems in asthmatics, but as most folks tend to have a pretty damned
good sense of what is and is what is not comfortable for them, while
the 'rapid temperature change makes you sick' belief is quite simply a
myth, what is really obscure is how you come to think you know better
than Thais themselves what they 'should think healthy'?
-maxwell
Frawley
>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de news:
>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
K'Max. You're usually a better parser of the lingua angrit than this.
Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
that #a is unhealthy!
(Have I done a decent k'p impersonation and, perhaps, made a debate
scorable point?)
k'p's unworthy understudy,
- k'f
Chris Blunt
wrote:
>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de news:
>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
There's a bar on Walking Street in Pattaya called "V2O Cocktails & Ice
Bar" where the temperature inside is maintained at around -20 degrees
C. That provides an immediate drop in temperature of roughly 50
degrees, which gives a quite dramatic jolt to the system when you walk
in. I managed to stay in just long enough to order one drink, and I
must have been out of there in less than a minute. That would provide
a useful place for these ideas to be put to the test.
Needless to say, there are no scantily dressed dancers gyrating around
poles in that bar :-)
Chris
PG
"Frawley" <frawl...@aol.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
> that #a is unhealthy!
>
> (Have I done a decent k'p impersonation and, perhaps, made a debate
> scorable point?)
Indeed k'f, k'm does appear to suffer from rationale deficiency at times.
There have been studies that suggests a maximum 10 degrees cooler ambient
temperature inside is ample to achieve the necessary cooling effect and
thereby avoids excessive stress to the organism from too substantial a
variation - ie a setting in the low to mid 20s is fine, if in the low 30s
outside.
Personally I prefer fans in combination with a setting in the mid-20s if
absolutely necessary. Particularly when going for a massage where body
temperature drops during relaxation, something that many masseuses fail to
realise as they are working hard at the time. Nothing worse than feeling
uncomfortably cool during a massage.
Of course all those supersized farangs one sees about could probably handle
a temperature approaching absolute zero, but some of us have normal body
shapes :) It's not for nothing that modern air conditioning was invented by
an American...
maxwell
>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
hmmm....
<q>Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot
of the coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais
think it's healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38
degrees outside. </q>
. . .somehow does not imply that aircon is unhealthy?
so my appreciation of pneumonia as being an unhealthful condition led
me to such 'incorrect parsing of the pasah angrit' ? 8~)
> (Have I done a decent k'p impersonation
reasonably so, yes, though the planetary presence would of course best
pronounce upon your proposition ;~)
> and, perhaps, made a debate scorable point?)
I tend not to agree.
> k'p's unworthy understudy,
> - k'f
Cheers,
-maxwell
maxwell
> iv72e55oo5evvdeca...@4ax.com...
>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
Much thanks!
. . and certainly no PCTKB, having previously associated pneumonia and
aircon for the wrong reason, i.e., lowered temperature rather than the
(potential for) circulation of airborme pathogens within a confined
space . .
While it has been hypothesized that chilling of naso-sinus passages may
inhibit leukocytic immune system response to airborne pathogens, still
it is the pathogens themselves, particularly in greater concentration
within confined spaces, that are of most consequence.
> There have been studies that suggests a maximum 10 degrees cooler ambient
> temperature inside is ample to achieve the necessary cooling effect and
> thereby avoids excessive stress to the organism from too substantial a
> variation - ie a setting in the low to mid 20s is fine, if in the low 30s
> outside.
links?
> Personally I prefer fans in combination with a setting in the mid-20s if
> absolutely necessary. Particularly when going for a massage where body
> temperature drops during relaxation, something that many masseuses fail to
> realise as they are working hard at the time. Nothing worse than feeling
> uncomfortably cool during a massage.
from clothed spaces (coffee shops) to naked/near-naked ones such as a
massage emporium is a rational progression toward higher ambient
temperatures
> Of course all those supersized farangs one sees about could probably handle a
> temperature approaching absolute zero, but some of us have normal body shapes
> :) It's not for nothing that modern air conditioning was invented by an
> American...
yes, for industrial purposes, and 'twas not until over two decades
later that aircon came to be employed for the comfort of people, and of
people who were in the main less obese than in the modern era of fast
foods, sedentary occupations, and sedentary preoccupations ..
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa081797.htm
. . but don't let the facts get in the way of such a rational theory
8~)
PG
hbs7rg$ovk$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de
>>>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>> K'Max. You're usually a better parser of the lingua angrit than this.
>> Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
>> that #a is unhealthy!
>
> hmmm....
> <q>Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of
> the coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think
> it's healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees
> outside. </q>
>
> . . .somehow does not imply that aircon is unhealthy?
Quite correct, the comment does indeed not infer that air conditioning, per
se, is unhealthy. Well done sir.
PG
"maxwell" <mmma...@hotmail.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
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>> "Frawley" <frawl...@aol.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>> iv72e55oo5evvdeca...@4ax.com...
>>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de
>>>>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
upper respiratory tract problems and air conditioning was made for the wrong
reason, what you in fact meant to write was that it was made for one
correct, if subordinate, reason of two?
>> There have been studies that suggests a maximum 10 degrees cooler ambient
>> temperature inside is ample to achieve the necessary cooling effect and
>> thereby avoids excessive stress to the organism from too substantial a
>> variation - ie a setting in the low to mid 20s is fine, if in the low 30s
>> outside.
>
> links?
ASHRAE has a number of pages on the subject, including the suggestion that
the best ambient indoor temperature for purposes of comfort, when there are
high temps outside, is between 73 deg F and 79 deg F; less in wintertime.
The maximum 10 degrees difference is something I recall from my reading from
many years ago, and I mentioned the 15 deg C figure on purpose, because in
the UK an office employee can legally refuse to work if the temperature
drops below 16 degrees, the figure quoted in Health and Safety legislation.
>> Personally I prefer fans in combination with a setting in the mid-20s if
>> absolutely necessary. Particularly when going for a massage where body
>> temperature drops during relaxation, something that many masseuses fail
>> to realise as they are working hard at the time. Nothing worse than
>> feeling uncomfortably cool during a massage.
>
> from clothed spaces (coffee shops) to naked/near-naked ones such as a
> massage emporium is a rational progression toward higher ambient
> temperatures
>
Not so rational for the management of certain massage establishments,
apparently.
>> Of course all those supersized farangs one sees about could probably
>> handle a temperature approaching absolute zero, but some of us have
>> normal body shapes :) It's not for nothing that modern air conditioning
>> was invented by an American...
>
> yes, for industrial purposes, and 'twas not until over two decades later
> that aircon came to be employed for the comfort of people, and of people
> who were in the main less obese than in the modern era of fast foods,
> sedentary occupations, and sedentary preoccupations ..
>
> http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa081797.htm
>
> . . but don't let the facts get in the way of such a rational theory
> 8~)
Erm, I was joking. Never mind.
maxwell
> hbs9f2$rhg$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> "Frawley" <frawl...@aol.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>> iv72e55oo5evvdeca...@4ax.com...
>>>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de
>>>>>> 20091020044442.173$f...@newsreader.com...
>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
An hypothesis is no proof, while the fact of airborne pathogen
circulation is both inarguable and was never implied.
BTW, said hypothesis was offered as one putative explanation for
elderly folks having greater incidence of respiratory maladies around a
fortnight after seasonal temperature drops in 'temperate zone' regions.
Numerous possible conflational contributors make application of this
unproven hypothesis to the situation you wrote of to be, at best,
rather arguable.
While you now wish to disown a previous association of respiratory
maladies (hyperbolized as pneumonia) to 'shock' resulting from popping
into a 'frigid' cafe as escape from the 'stewpot,' you might (or might
not ;~) consider:
The majority of Thai do *not* have heated showers at home, nor in a
great number of hotels frequented by Thai business travelers and folks
on holiday, and that the temperature drop *all over* the skin of water
is far more of a 'shock' than that experienced by the uncovered parts
of a person popping into colder (or hotter) air.
Yet a great many Thai 'subject themselves' to this 'shock' twice in a
day or more often, somehow without (in the main) going about all
wheezing and fevered ;~)
>>> There have been studies that suggests a maximum 10 degrees cooler ambient
>>> temperature inside is ample to achieve the necessary cooling effect athe
> ASHRAE has a number of pages on the subject, including the suggestion that
> the best ambient indoor temperature for purposes of comfort, when there are
> high temps outside, is between 73 deg F and 79 deg F; less in wintertime.
I'd been aware of ASHRAE through acquaintance with an HVAC contractor,
and known of them as particularly attentive to indoor air control WRT
occupants' perceptions of comfort.
In mid-2006, ASHRAE set out on a project expected to be completed in 18
months "Scientific Review of Existing Information Related to the Impact
of Ventilation Related to Health, 1443-RP"
Having searched ASHRAE's site (albeit, as a non-member) I've not
located the pertinent findings, but as the 'existing information'
targeted could fairly be expected to be of actual clinical/laboratory
studies, some showing of links to the studies you allude to in regards
to *health* and not just comfort would be properly supportive of your
contention.
> The maximum 10 degrees difference is something I recall from my reading from
> many years ago, and I mentioned the 15 deg C figure on purpose, because in
> the UK an office employee can legally refuse to work if the temperature
> drops below 16 degrees, the figure quoted in Health and Safety legislation.
Well understood as sensible and humane, as employees are not at liberty
to remove themselves to more comfortable environs during the extended
hous of their time at work. Cafe too frosty, one just pays up and pops
out, after all.
>>> Personally I prefer fans in combination with a setting in the mid-20s if
>>> absolutely necessary. Particularly when going for a massage where body
>>> temperature drops during relaxation, something that many masseuses fail to
>>> realise as they are working hard at the time. Nothing worse than feeling
>>> uncomfortably cool during a massage.
>>
>> from clothed spaces (coffee shops) to naked/near-naked ones such as a
>> massage emporium is a rational progression toward higher ambient
>> temperatures
>>
> Not so rational for the management of certain massage establishments,
> apparently.
Perhaps the overly-rotund you've referred to favour such.
>>> Of course all those supersized farangs one sees about could probably
>>> handle a temperature approaching absolute zero, but some of us have normal
>>> body shapes :) It's not for nothing that modern air conditioning was
>>> invented by an American...
>>
>> yes, for industrial purposes, and 'twas not until over two decades later
>> that aircon came to be employed for the comfort of people, and of people
>> who were in the main less obese than in the modern era of fast foods,
>> sedentary occupations, and sedentary preoccupations ..
>>
>> http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa081797.htm
>>
>> . . but don't let the facts get in the way of such a rational theory
>> 8~)
> Erm, I was joking. Never mind.
That's ok.
maxwell
> hbs7rg$ovk$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de
>>>>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>> K'Max. You're usually a better parser of the lingua angrit than this.
>>> Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
>>> that #a is unhealthy!
>>
>> hmmm....
>> <q>Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of the
>> coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think it's
>> healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees outside.
>> </q>
>>
>> . . .somehow does not imply that aircon is unhealthy?
> Quite correct, the comment does indeed not infer that air conditioning, per
> se, is unhealthy. Well done sir.
Ah, you're just kidding . . again
Krypsis
water that they shower with. Then, and only then, will your "argument"
have any merit.
As a long term asthmatic, I am fully well aware that it is rapid
temperature change in the air I breathe that will cause me the most
respiratory distress. In my many sojourns to the tropical regions, I
quickly learnt not to subject myself to these rapid changes wherever
posible.
In most cases I would be in an office building most of the daytime hours
so was able to stay in a stable albeit artificial climate. I had no
control over the temperature settings in these buildings. I only had
problems when I was required to cross town in taxis to other offices. It
was the wide range of temperature variation as I entered and exited
buildings and taxis that caused me grief.
In my earlier days I was often "in the field" and the office was likely
to be a portable Atco hut. In these circumstances I had some control of
the air con unit and would set it to a relatively high temperature so as
to minimise the variation between inside and outside. It was almost
impossible to turn the air con off as the temperature inside the Atco
huts quickly became oven like, this despite the fact that they had high
efficiency insulation fitted.
I was never in the tropical regions of Asia for more than a week or two
at a time so I was never able to properly acclimatise to the tropical
heat and humidity.
Krypsis
maxwell
You write nonsense here, while the following merits other than
dismissiveness. ( . . .though I *will* get to this in closing ;~)
> As a long term asthmatic, I am fully well aware that it is rapid temperature
> change in the air I breathe that will cause me the most respiratory distress.
> In my many sojourns to the tropical regions, I quickly learnt not to subject
> myself to these rapid changes wherever posible.
I'm well-aware of this sensitivity, and it is not only of asthmatics,
but of a goodly number of sufferers from allergies.
It is *their* choice whether to frequent 'frozen' shoppes, while in
Thailand, the variety and distribution of outdoor dining is in a vast
number of places rather close at hand.
Admittedly, in central Bangkok, or, say Chiang Mai along Taepae road,
the problem of fumes and dust particles from combustion presents
irritants aplenty, and am asthmatic may well be betwixt a rock and a
hard place.
However, the earlier post implied a putative causation, and not the
irritation of an ongoing condition, you may recall?
('Thais' in the main are not asthmatic, and 'twas Thais who were
implied to have a curious belief regarding air conditioning of shoppes;
still it remains that both Thai and falangs *do* find such shoppes
attractive, or else the merchants are throwing away good money for
aircon--I obviously lean toward the former explanation, and await
evidence of temperature drops as causative of pathology.
In fact, as a great range of organisms that infect humans have
unsurprisingly optimal growth when in environments having ample heat
and humidity, both surface-borne and aerolized bacteria are quicker to
perish when in the dryer and colder confines of the chilled room, just
as food decomposes far less rapidly in the fridge. Viruses are a bit of
another matter ;~)
> In most cases I would be in an office building most of the daytime hours so
> was able to stay in a stable albeit artificial climate. I had no control over
> the temperature settings in these buildings. I only had problems when I was
> required to cross town in taxis to other offices. It was the wide range of
> temperature variation as I entered and exited buildings and taxis that caused
> me grief.
> In my earlier days I was often "in the field" and the office was likely to be
> a portable Atco hut. In these circumstances I had some control of the air con
> unit and would set it to a relatively high temperature so as to minimise the
> variation between inside and outside. It was almost impossible to turn the
> air con off as the temperature inside the Atco huts quickly became oven like,
> this despite the fact that they had high efficiency insulation fitted.
> I was never in the tropical regions of Asia for more than a week or two at a
> time so I was never able to properly acclimatise to the tropical heat and
> humidity.
> Krypsis
While your need for longer term acclimation is noted, you might also
note that Thai (or anyone) experience greater extremes of temperature
when going from out and about in the sweltering tropical heat and
humidity (and humidity retards heat loss from the body) to then remove
clothing (insulative) and immerse themselves in the spray of cold water
typical for most Thai households' (and humble hotels) showers, and
while you may choose to keep your sensitive head's sinuses and upper
body out of the cooling spray for more than the minimum needed for
lavage . .
. .. well . . still there remains not the least need to inhale the
blessed waters for the rapid downward shift of ambient temperature to
occur, and if you consider how much longer it takes for a person to
feel the brunt of the heat when stepping out from either shower or cool
shoppe, than from free air spaces when in the tropics, you'd realize
that in both situations there has been much cooling of skin and
subcutaneous fatty tissues.
So, while evidence is always appreciated, thanks for the earlier
silliness about inhaling the waters !
-maxwell
Frawley
>> "maxwell" <mmma...@hotmail.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>> hbs7rg$ovk$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a �crit dans le message de
>>>>>>>> "Chris Blunt" <ma...@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>>>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>
>>>> K'Max. You're usually a better parser of the lingua angrit than this.
>>>> Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
>>>> that #a is unhealthy!
>>>
>>> hmmm....
>>> <q>Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of the
>>> coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think it's
>>> healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees outside.
>>> </q>
>>>
>>> . . .somehow does not imply that aircon is unhealthy?
>
>> Quite correct, the comment does indeed not infer that air conditioning, per
>> se, is unhealthy. Well done sir.
>
>Ah, you're just kidding . . again
I don't know about anyone else but I was teasing to begin with, and
was actually teasing the grinning k'p, more than not.
That aside, please watch your attributions gentlemen. Here, for
example, k'max, you've attributed pg's remarks to yourself and
elsewhere contribute pg's remarks to me, and pg to himself when not
quite true as well in at least one other spot. Is googlegroups
melting down under the weight of all this fury?
What a great place, SCT, when people are occupied with a topic instead
of mutually assured destruction of the "kinder" variety...as in
kindergarten, of course.
Jealous of the Inscrutable,
- Frawley
Magnus
wrote:
<...>
>Indeed k'f, k'm does appear to suffer from rationale deficiency at times.
>
"at times"?
What a gentlemanly way to describe the nutty e-dog!
;-)
Mort
maxwell
>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "maxwell" <mmma...@hotmail.com> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de news:
>>> hbs7rg$ovk$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> maxwell <mmma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Nick Cramer" <n_cram...@pacbell.net> a ï¿œcrit dans le message de
>>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "PG" <pg...@alpesprovence.net> wrote:
>>>>> K'Max. You're usually a better parser of the lingua angrit than this.
>>>>> Saying Kon Thai seem to think #a is healthy is not the same as posting
>>>>> that #a is unhealthy!
>>>>
>>>> hmmm....
>>>> <q>Damn right, if it's not oxygen deprivation, it's pneumonia. A lot of
>>>> the coffee shops are just as bad, for some obscure reason the Thais think
>>>> it's healthy to step into an air conditioned 15 degrees from 38 degrees
>>>> outside. </q>
>>>>
>>>> . . .somehow does not imply that aircon is unhealthy?
>>> Quite correct, the comment does indeed not infer that air conditioning, per
>>> se, is unhealthy. Well done sir.
>>
>> Ah, you're just kidding . . again
> I don't know about anyone else but I was teasing to begin with, and
> was actually teasing the grinning k'p, more than not.
> That aside, please watch your attributions gentlemen. Here, for
> example, k'max, you've attributed pg's remarks to yourself and
> elsewhere contribute pg's remarks to me, and pg to himself when not
> quite true as well in at least one other spot. Is googlegroups
> melting down under the weight of all this fury?
Rather, a look at the message source will show I'm posting NNTP via
news.albasani.net
Apologies for the confuzeled attributions in some of my posts; these
derived from what appears to be a quoting glitch in the newsreader at
one of my locations; my bad for letting that past.
> What a great place, SCT, when people are occupied with a topic instead
> of mutually assured destruction of the "kinder" variety...as in
> kindergarten, of course.
Remarkable bit of usenet, indeed ;~)
> Jealous of the Inscrutable,
> - Frawley
Inscrutable to the jealous,
-maxwell
LarbGai
> I was never in the tropical regions of Asia
> Krypsis-
****** Ain't that the truth. 55 years sitting on your clerks stool in
some insignificant office in downtown Canberra would be the nearest
you've ever been to Asia.
Give up old man and fade away.