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Re: Migrants of today can never be loyal Singaporeans

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There are too many Chinese in China now
buying Singaporean Passports.


n Nov 17, 10:46 am, "truth" <tr...@universe.com> wrote:
> http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/11/new-immigrants-loyalty-to-spore-s...
> New immigrants' loyalty to S'pore - SM Goh's amazing conclusion
> Monday, 16 November 2009, 11:35 pm | 725 views
>
> Dr Wong Wee Nam
>
> At a grassroots event recently, Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong confidently
> declared that "new immigrants to Singapore can become Singaporeans in
> outlook and loyalty within a generation."
>
> He apparently reached this amazing conclusion after a visit to his ancestral
> village in Wuling in China's Fujian province and also how, at a recent
> Deepavali event, he had found that several young children of permanent
> residents from India could easily pass off as Singaporeans.
>
> How he could have come to his conclusion based on these two set of factors
> escapes me.
>
> First of all, young children all over the world do not behave differently
> from one another. Put a group of young children together and they will soon
> play their own games oblivious of their colour or nationality. However, this
> does not mean they will all grow up to be Singaporeans in outlook and
> loyalty.
>
> Secondly, Mr Goh might have felt very Singaporean when he visited his
> ancestral village. This does not mean the children of the new immigrants
> will, in future, feel the way he did.
>
> The next generation
>
> The next generation of these new migrants will not think and feel the same
> way as this generation of Singaporeans.
>
> This is because the fathers and forefathers of the present generation, of
> older Singaporeans, including the Senior Minister, had migrated to Singapore
> under different circumstances. They were political and economic "refugees".
> Many did not have a choice. They came as teenagers to escape war, hunger and
> poverty and once they established their roots here, there was no turning
> back.
>
> Those who came from China then could not go back at all. Neither could they
> bring their children back for visits even if they could afford and wanted
> to. Because of this, the ties were cut and over time memories of their
> homeland became very faint. It was only natural then that the children of
> these people do not know of any motherland other than Singapore. They,
> especially the English- educated, probably have more attachment to England
> than China.
>
> The present new migrants from China are different. They came as adults and
> are usually better educated. They have not run away from a country that is a
> basket case but chose to come here to improve themselves and the lives of
> their children. To a lot of them, a Singapore passport is a stepping stone
> to better things. They are not going to cut off any emotional ties with the
> country they had come from, not when it is growing bigger and bigger in
> economic and political stature every day. It's really no contest between a
> giant red mass and a little red dot.
>
> At the back of the Chinese migrant's mind is an idiom that is ingrained in
> them when young: ?????This means: "To go back to one's old home in silken
> robes."
>
> The children of these new migrants are not going to be like Goh Chok Tong.
> They are certainly not going to sever their cultural, emotional and
> ancestral ties with China. How could they? Unlike Goh Chok Tong, a lot of
> them can and will go back to visit their relatives regularly. Some even go
> back during the school vacations for immersion. Like their migrant parents,
> they will watch CCTV and Phoenix stations as much or even more than channels
> 8 and 5.
>
> Is it then any surprise to see Zhang Yuanyuan, a Singapore permanent
> resident, taking part in a national day parade, waving the Chinese flag and
> feeling very proud to be a Chinese on China's National Day. Don't be
> surprised to see more Chinese flags displayed in HDB blocks on 1st October
> in future. The new Indian migrants and their children are also unlike the
> Senior Minister. They are still likely to visit their ancestral homes on a
> regular basis and are likely to be as Indian as they are Singaporeans. Just
> as Singaporeans cheered Liverpool when they played Singapore, a lot of these
> new migrants are likely to cheer the Indian national hockey team when they
> play Singapore.
>
> Whither Singapore?
>
> I, therefore, do not share Mr Goh's optimism about loyalty. If our policy
> does not change, the problem is likely to be compounded. In thirty years
> time, Singaporeans are going to be a minority in their own country and in
> forty years time, they will form about 25% to 30% of the population here.
>
> In the same speech, the Senior Minister also said, "Without PRs and new
> citizens, Singapore will go the way of the dinosaurs." Imagine an England
> that is three-quarter Chinese and a Japan that is three quarter Polynesian.
> Both the English and the Japanese will go the way of the dinosaurs.
>
> According to Socrates, "Patriotism does not require one to agree with
> everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical
> questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
>
> In other words, to have patriotism, there must be a devotion to humanity and
> beneficence. There must be an individual responsibility to fellow citizens.
> Without provision for charity, without the right to criticize injustice or
> to denounce excessive laws and without the spontaneous participation of
> people in the affairs of the country, there can be no patriotism.
>
> Many years of authoritarian-style government have reduced Singaporeans into
> an apathetic lot and made them feel like guests in a hotel. In years to
> come, with hordes of foreigners coming in to depress their wages or even
> displace them at the workplace and reduce them to second-class citizens, how
> much more loyalty can we expect from local-bred Singaporeans, let alone
> migrants?
>
> It would have been different if Singaporeans had been allowed to developed
> their patriotism and let this patriotism rub off onto a slow influx of
> migrants. Then come 2040, we would not have a population that is made up of
> Singapore citizens but largely owing emotional allegiance to another
> country.
>
> As it stands, in 2040, when a minister visits his ancestral village in
> China, he is not going to be as detached as the Senior Minister. The
> cultural, social, emotional and ancestral ties will be so much stronger. He
> would feel not so much like a visiting Singapore leader but,
> psychologically, rather like a municipal officer????going back to one's old
> home in silken robes.
>
> Alas, perhaps it is just a historical cycle that Singapore has to go the way
> of Temasek.
>
> Read SM Goh's speech here.
> --
>
> Related Posts
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>   2.. "My loyalty is, first and foremost, to the people of Singapore"
>   3.. See losses in perspective, says SM Goh
>   4.. Better put it right, says SM Goh
>   5.. SM Goh, please love your country more than the PAP

Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

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Another post from Cambodia ... why am I not surpsied!

sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt Goddesse

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Nov 17, 2009, 11:04:45 PM11/17/09
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Fake Komin the Chinese Turd,

are you denying the Chinese in China
are buying Singaporean passports ?

n Nov 17, 5:24 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

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On Nov 18, 12:04 pm, "sexy Fucking Yoni , the Hindu Cunt

Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a pedophile?

Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are the smelly turd of a
dark-skinned Cambodian?

Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are a Japanese arse-
licker?

Komin the Cambodian, are you denying that you are an uneducated,
ignorant and stupid racist faggot from Cambodia?

Abdul Rahman Dohlon

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Nov 19, 2009, 10:21:10 PM11/19/09
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Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN .

n Nov 18, 10:08 pm, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a Goat

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On Nov 20, 11:21 am, Abdul Rahman Dohlon <hinduvis...@gmail.com>
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Nov 20, 2009, 8:43:36 PM11/20/09
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Wakalukong has fabricated his " Chinese Natives " of
ASEAN ,

Chinese in China want to be " Chinese Natives " of ASEAN

with an instant payment from China .

Nov 20, 1:55 am, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a

Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a Goat

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Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China

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Nov 20, 2009, 9:22:45 PM11/20/09
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Chinese are buying everything .

Singapore ' s passports ,
French master degrees from Toulon France .

and Thai and Khmer ID cards .


Chinese from China want to be Malaysian immediately .


n Nov 20, 6:02 pm, Fucking Cambodian Failure Komin the Eunuch Son of a

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Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

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Yes Komin you Cambodian faggot pedophile - money is King. Didn't you
study Economics in High School? Don't you have high schools in
Cambodia?

Chairman Mao , expert fucker of Chinese High School Girl 's cunts in China

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Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

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Komin the illiterate Cambodian - stop changing the subject. I asked
you three simple questions:

1. don't you understand simple Economics?

2. Didn't you study economics in high school?

3. Don't you have high schools in Cambodia?

wakalukong

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Nov 20, 2009, 11:22:50 PM11/20/09
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Chinese Motherland China is sending
the Chinese Banking Giant ICBC to Malaysia in order
to help Chinese steal Malaysia.

n Nov 21, 9:41 am, Fucking Komin the Pedophile Turd

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Samsuddin

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:07:52 AM11/24/09
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More Muslims everywhere in Asia are trying to buy Malaysian passports
"Abdul Rahman Dohlon" <hindu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f3751e4-34c8-4cbe...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

charlie vietcong

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:01:00 PM11/24/09
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Vietnamese government give freelyViet passports to Returning
oversea Vietnamese who want to live in Vietnam

Malays should give freely Malay passports to
muslems who want to live in Malaysia .


n Nov 24, 12:07 pm, "Samsuddin" <samsuddin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> More Muslims everywhere in Asia are trying to buy Malaysian passports

> "Abdul Rahman Dohlon" <hinduvis...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:6f3751e4-34c8-4cbe...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

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Mayor Hasan

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:45:41 PM11/24/09
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charlie vietcong wrote:
> Vietnamese government give freelyViet passports to Returning
> oversea Vietnamese who want to live in Vietnam
>
>
>
> Malays should give freely Malay passports to
> muslems who want to live in Malaysia .

WHY?

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Allah , your only god Allah , you are only allowed to have me as your only God , you are only authorised to have Allah as your only God .

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is Malaysia supposed to be muslem nation ?

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