I visited Vietnam several years ago, and while the Vietnamese people are nice enough, there is no way they would express any sort of political opinion without direct orders from their cadre leaders.
The woman in the photo is holding a protest sign written in English. The message conforms to the position of the Vietnamese government regarding a dispute with China over an oceanic territorial dispute. The baby the woman is holding has been added for emotional effect. The caption itself concedes that Vietnamese authorities rarely allow political demonstrations, strongly suggesting that this "protest" has been orchestrated by the Socialist Vietnamese government.
What amuses me most about this is that Vietnam is asking the country it fought a bloody decade-long war with to help it defend its claim on areas of the South China Sea. Most Americans have tried to bury the memory of the Vietnam war, and I do not see us going to war to defend Vietnam against Chinese aggression. Control of the South China Sea is of moderate importance to us, but Vietnam as a country is not. Vietnam may be useful in our negotiations with China, but it is not the reason for our negotiations, and the Socialist Vietnamese government should remember this.
Your reply is very helpful for those Communist Slogans to understand
they had fought the US by bringing the Red China into Vietnam and the
US left VN in politically manner so the North of VN declared they won.
In order to return those costs from Red China, China now takes
Sealands and islands plus some China/VN borders and VN do not dare to
fight the big brother neighbor
> I visited Vietnam several years ago, and while the Vietnamese people are
> nice enough, there is no way they would express any sort of political
> opinion without direct orders from their cadre leaders.
> The woman in the photo is holding a protest sign written in English. The
> message conforms to the position of the Vietnamese government regarding a
> dispute with China over an oceanic territorial dispute. The baby the
> woman is holding has been added for emotional effect. The caption itself
> concedes that Vietnamese authorities rarely allow political
> demonstrations, strongly suggesting that this "protest" has been
> orchestrated by the Socialist Vietnamese government.
> What amuses me most about this is that Vietnam is asking the country it
> fought a bloody decade-long war with to help it defend its claim on areas
> of the South China Sea. Most Americans have tried to bury the memory of
> the Vietnam war, and I do not see us going to war to defend Vietnam
> against Chinese aggression. Control of the South China Sea is of
> moderate importance to us, but Vietnam as a country is not. Vietnam may
> be useful in our negotiations with China, but it is not the reason for
> our negotiations, and the Socialist Vietnamese government should remember
> this.
> I visited Vietnam several years ago, and while the Vietnamese
> people are nice enough, there is no way they would express
> any sort of political opinion without direct orders from their
> cadre leaders.
> The woman in the photo is holding a protest sign written in
> English.
The protest is staged for the benefits of Americans. Of course, it
has to be in English in order to be understood.
> The message conforms to the position of the Vietnamese
> government regarding a dispute with China over an oceanic
> territorial dispute. The baby the woman is holding has
> been added for emotional effect. The caption itself
> concedes that Vietnamese authorities rarely allow political
> demonstrations, strongly suggesting that this "protest" has been
> orchestrated by the Socialist Vietnamese government.
> What amuses me most about this is that Vietnam is asking the
> country it fought a bloody decade-long war with to help it
> defend its claim on areas of the South China Sea. Most Americans
> have tried to bury the memory of the Vietnam war, and I do not
> see us going to war to defend Vietnam against Chinese aggression.
Wasn't that the reason why we got into the Vietnam War in the first
place, to stop the "domino effect of communism" in the Southeast
Asia? Secretary of State Dean Rusk even issued a veiled warning to
China that "any nation which chooses to get involve, do it at their
own risk"?
> Control of the South China Sea is of moderate importance to us,
> but Vietnam as a country is not.
After being beaten by Vietnam, Vietnam is no longer important to us.
But before the Vietnam War, Vietnam was very important to us that we
fought them for 8 years, with over half a million soldiers, and
trillions of dollars, and over 58,000 deaths. That shows how
important Vietnam to us.
> Vietnam may be useful in our negotiations with China,
How can we use Vietnam as a negotiating tool? Why would China care
about Vietnam?
> > I visited Vietnam several years ago, and while the Vietnamese
> > people are nice enough, there is no way they would express
> > any sort of political opinion without direct orders from their
> > cadre leaders.
> > The woman in the photo is holding a protest sign written in
> > English.
.> The protest is staged for the benefits of Americans. Of course, it
> has to be in English in order to be understood.
Everywhere now and then, English are being used for Universal readers
and not specifically to the American to read.
> > The message conforms to the position of the Vietnamese
> > government regarding a dispute with China over an oceanic
> > territorial dispute. The baby the woman is holding has
> > been added for emotional effect. The caption itself
> > concedes that Vietnamese authorities rarely allow political
> > demonstrations, strongly suggesting that this "protest" has been
> > orchestrated by the Socialist Vietnamese government.
> > What amuses me most about this is that Vietnam is asking the
> > country it fought a bloody decade-long war with to help it
> > defend its claim on areas of the South China Sea. Most Americans
> > have tried to bury the memory of the Vietnam war, and I do not
> > see us going to war to defend Vietnam against Chinese aggression.
.> Wasn't that the reason why we got into the Vietnam War in the first
> place, to stop the "domino effect of communism" in the Southeast
> Asia? Secretary of State Dean Rusk even issued a veiled warning to
> China that "any nation which chooses to get involve, do it at their
> own risk"?
"domino effect of communism" ?
In the reality of 60 years ago, its true. Today is Islam fanatic
terrorists and the US are on their way plus to ask the world to fight
along.
Do not ignore this true fact, and your family can be a victim for
those terrorists.
> > Control of the South China Sea is of moderate importance to us,
> > but Vietnam as a country is not.
.> After being beaten by Vietnam, Vietnam is no longer important to
us.
> But before the Vietnam War, Vietnam was very important to us that we
> fought them for 8 years, with over half a million soldiers, and
> trillions of dollars, and over 58,000 deaths. That shows how
> important Vietnam to us.
Regardless the US's soldiers died in VN in numbers such as 58,000 or
60K, Japan, VIetnam, S-Korea, PH, SG etc. they all are important to
the United States in Strategic geography.
> > Vietnam may be useful in our negotiations with China,
.> How can we use Vietnam as a negotiating tool? Why would China care
> about Vietnam?
Very good question. Who can answer this quotas, please show yourself.
On Aug 7, 9:51 pm, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How can we use Vietnam as a negotiating tool? Why would China care
> about Vietnam?
Stop we-ing deceitfully. The "we" in your heart refers to members of
the CCP, the largest body of organized crime in the world. And when it
comes to "constant intimidation", why are you so indignant when CCP is
blamed of it by so many neighboring countries? How many countries is
CCP constantly intimidating to extend its colonial control over the
South China Sea and the East China Sea? Japan, Korea, the Philippines,
Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Australia, New
Zealand etc. are all being intimidated by the CCP and not by the USA.
In fact, it is USA that is reassuring these countries of support in
the face of CCP intimidation.
And I haven't even mentioned the plight of Tibetans and of Uyghurs in
East Turkmenistan under the colonial rule of the Chinese Communist
Party.
Shouldn't you be saying, "We are being driven by our imperialist
agenda to lay claims to the South China Sea and to the East China
Sea" ?
Stop saying "we" as if you are refering to USA. The "we" of your heart
is the CCP. It is the CCP that is into constantly intimidating the
neighbors of China. USA would be doing the right thing if it assures
these neighbors that they can count on US support against such naked
intimidation. It is the CCP that is building a fence around itself by
pursuing its colonial agenda.
The CCP caused the death of hundreds of thousands of people in 1979
just to "teach Vietnam a lesson". No surprises there. CCP's treatment
of China's citizens isn't any better.
The CPC was responsible for the murder of 45 million people between
1958 and 1962. Compare that to the killing of 55 million people world
wide during WW II and you get a true idea of
the crimes committed by the CPC dictatorship in Beijing.
Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'
BY ARIFA AKBAR
Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as
the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had
unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said
yesterday.
Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank
Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the
time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an
effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was
responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world
has ever known".
Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to
1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic
torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the
Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were
worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the
worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.
Mr Dikötter is the only author to have delved into the Chinese
archives since they were reopened four years ago. He argued that this
devastating period of history – which has until now remained hidden –
has international resonance. "It ranks alongside the gulags and the
Holocaust as one of the three greatest events of the 20th century....
It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide
multiplied 20 times over," he said.
Between 1958 and 1962, a war raged between the peasants and the state;
it was a period when a third of all homes in China were destroyed to
produce fertiliser and when the nation descended into famine and
starvation, Mr Dikötter said.
His book, Mao's Great Famine; The Story of China's Most Devastating
Catastrophe, reveals that while this is a part of history that has
been "quite forgotten" in the official memory of the People's Republic
of China, there was a "staggering degree of violence" that was,
remarkably, carefully catalogued in Public Security Bureau reports,
which featured among the provincial archives he studied. In them, he
found that the members of the rural farming communities were seen by
the Party merely as "digits", or a faceless workforce. For those who
committed any acts of disobedience, however minor, the punishments
were huge.
State retribution for tiny thefts, such as stealing a potato, even by
a child, would include being tied up and thrown into a pond; parents
were forced to bury their children alive or were doused in excrement
and urine, others were set alight, or had a nose or ear cut off. One
record shows how a man was branded with hot metal. People were forced
to work naked in the middle of winter; 80 per cent of all the
villagers in one region of a quarter of a million Chinese were banned
from the official canteen because they were too old or ill to be
effective workers, so were deliberately starved to death.
Mr Dikötter said that he was once again examining the Party's archives
for his next book, The Tragedy of Liberation, which will deal with the
bloody advent of Communism in China from 1944 to 1957.
He said the archives were already illuminating the extent of the
atrocities of the period; one piece of evidence revealed that 13,000
opponents of the new regime were killed in one region alone, in just
three weeks. "We know the outline of what went on but I will be
looking into precisely what happened in this period, how it happened,
and the human experiences behind the history," he said.
Mr Dikötter, who teaches at the University of Hong Kong, said while it
was difficult for any historian in China to write books that are
critical of Mao, he felt he could not collude with the "conspiracy of
silence" in what the Chinese rural community had suffered in recent
history.
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The German invasion of Russia in 1941 was the first step of Hitler's
attempt to acquire more land for the German people to populate. The
CCP dictatorship's brutal suppression of the Tibetans and the Uighyurs
is an adaptation of Hitler's idea of Lebensraum. So is its aggressive
but spurious claims on the South China Sea and the East China Sea.
The Pacific nations are all aware that imperialist China has come to
believe that "Today, it's all about military power, the only thing
counts." In 1979, the CCP dictatorship under Deng Xiaoping's
helmsmanship caused the death of nearly 150,000 soldiers just to
"teach Vietnam a lesson". It is another matter that a significant
proportion of the dead were Chinese soldiers. But that mattered very
little to lull the blood-lust of the CCP dictatorship in Beijing.
As far as the Pacific countries (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, the
Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New
Zealand etc.) are concerned, it is the CCP dictatorship in Beijing
that is the greatest menace to world peace. In fact, China's small
neighbors thank USA for the fact that China hasn't dared since 1979
to launch a bloody invasion to teach any of its small neighbors a
lesson. As far as the Pacific nations are concerned, it is the USA
that is providing a shield against the blood lust of the CCP
dictatorship.
