What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > On May 3, 12:14 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
> > The CIA certainly has played some games, but by any objective standard
> > the US allows dissent much more than China does.
> really? what happened to Michael Jackson? (not forgetting JFK and MLK)
The pop star? I don't follow.
The CIA may or may not have had something to do with the killings of
JFK/MLK but even that wouldn't change the fact that dissent is much
more tolerated in the US than China. Surely you know not to cherry-
pick examples to prove something. That's called "proof by anecdote"
and is used constantly by politicians and other fools as a substitute
for honest discussion.
On May 2, 4:15 pm, "AleXX®" <cir...@cycle.net> wrote:
.> This blind dissident have two choice. Bundle up with his families
.> and go stay in America or permanently camp inside the US embassy
.> in Beijing.
The third choice....he can choose to stay in China with his wife
and kids. And he has so chosen.
For centuries Chinese are ³çÑóÃÄÍâ . In this case, there is no different,
except the western media played it up.."Chen in his broken English...Mrs
Clinton...I want to kiss you". Blind Chen is physically blind, his context
of the world is different from us BUT his helpers should have a crystal
clear idea of the real world.. In her speech, Mrs Clinton has NEVER
mentioned about Blind Chen, but she stressed on Human Right etc, of course
in the self-righteous manner.
On May 4, 2:02 pm, "Gabriel Smith" <donts...@abc.com> wrote:
> For centuries Chinese are ³çÑóÃÄÍâ . In this case, there is no different,
> except the western media played it up.."Chen in his broken English...Mrs
> Clinton...I want to kiss you". Blind Chen is physically blind, his context
> of the world is different from us BUT his helpers should have a crystal
> clear idea of the real world.. In her speech, Mrs Clinton has NEVER
> mentioned about Blind Chen, but she stressed on Human Right etc, of course
> in the self-righteous manner.
All these actions took place in the complex inter course of
the culture differences between China, representing
5000 years of cultural vintage ....and the USA, representing
the new kid with Hollywood glitz and dazzle cultural
extravaganza...being sold to everyone around the world
as democracy with human rights and the rule of law
The glitz and dazzle US culture, like narcotics are
irresistible to many in China who want to try the
new high, the new experience...(Not unlike Mao
experimenting with communism in the 60s) They are not
happy with only Chinese tea and Chinese wine... The
new US culture is overwhelming ..even to the blind like
Chen. It is highly addictive..just like the Opium sold to
China not so many centuries ago.
Like the Latin drug lords, who push narcotics...the USA
went to wars (in Iraq and Afghanistan) to push
their Hollywood culture. In China, the USA has
started the cultural invasion since Tianannmen ...
and has been at it relentlessly to establish this
US cultural hegemony.
Activist blind Chen is a US foot soldier who has
become an icon of sort for US culture advocacy ...and
he is really a convict who betrayed his Chinese
cultural heritage.
The Chinese leaders view this episode as a storm in a
tea cup...they refused to even mention blind Chen's
name in top level meetings with the USA... but Western
media and Obama treat it as a crisis of national significance.
This is the underlying difference between the two cultures.
Yes, i agree with you. In the book "The Web that has no weaver" (I believe
it is still available for loan from our library), the author stated that for
centuries Chinese medical practitioners have been writing commentary ×¢½â
for »ÊµÛÄÚ¾ but for the western doctors since they don't have this type of
authoritative books they must invent new drugs or surgery procedures to
fight diseases, China will be china and the west will be the west, I think
they are like oil and water cannot be mixed, hopefully Blind Chen knows that
he is being used.
On Thu, 3 May 2012 18:23:41 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 2, 4:15 pm, "AleXX®" <cir...@cycle.net> wrote:
>.> This blind dissident have two choice. Bundle up with his families
>.> and go stay in America or permanently camp inside the US embassy
>.> in Beijing.
>The third choice....he can choose to stay in China with his wife
>and kids. And he has so chosen.
Discussion subject changed to "What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)" by TheInquirer
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> If my POV is incorrect, then I will be wrong. Some things really are
> true.
my question is more to the tune of: without a thorough analysis of the history of the interactions between US and China / N Korea / Iran, especially the contributions to the problem on the part of the US, how can an objective third party concur with your POV?
Take Iran ... please!!!
if i were an Iranian, i would be thinking: hey these Yankee infidels (their term for "maddafakkas") have been interfering with our country's
(and our neighbouring country's) bizness ... they are evil! why should i bend to their will?
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> That would be silly. Anyone who almost always defends something and
> doesn't respond to rational discourse is an apologist.
does your "rational discourse" include considering things from your
enemy's point of view, or is it merely justifying your own point of view with your own point of view (a thinly-veiled form of circular logic used by Baldeagle)?
why are you like Baldeagle? i thought you are better?
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> On May 3, 6:01 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
>> On 4/05/2012 5:34 AM, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
>>> On May 3, 12:14 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
>>> The CIA certainly has played some games, but by any objective standard
>>> the US allows dissent much more than China does.
>> really? what happened to Michael Jackson? (not forgetting JFK and MLK)
> The pop star? I don't follow.
> The CIA may or may not have had something to do with the killings of
> JFK/MLK but even that wouldn't change the fact that dissent is much
> more tolerated in the US than China. Surely you know not to cherry-
> pick examples to prove something. That's called "proof by anecdote"
> and is used constantly by politicians and other fools as a substitute
> for honest discussion.
why must i be proving anything? can't i be just asking questions?
falling into the same trap as Baldeagle again?
Discussion subject changed to "What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)" by bmoore@nyx.net
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > On May 3, 6:01 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
> >> On 4/05/2012 5:34 AM, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >>> On May 3, 12:14 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
> >>> The CIA certainly has played some games, but s.
> >> really? what happened to Michael Jackson? (not forgetting JFK and MLK)
> > The pop star? I don't follow.
> > The CIA may or may not have had something to do with the killings of
> > JFK/MLK but even that wouldn't change the fact that dissent is much
> > more tolerated in the US than China. Surely you know not to cherry-
> > pick examples to prove something. That's called "proof by anecdote"
> > and is used constantly by politicians and other fools as a substitute
> > for honest discussion.
> why must i be proving anything? can't i be just asking questions?
You question is too vague then. I don't understand the relationship of
your Michael Jackson question to the CIA.
I assume your question is related to my comment "by any objective
standard
the US allows dissent much more than China does" and the fact that the
CIA has played games doesn't change that.
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > That would be silly. Anyone who almost always defends something and
> > doesn't respond to rational discourse is an apologist.
> does your "rational discourse" include considering things from your
> enemy's point of view, or is it merely justifying your own point of view
> with your own point of view (a thinly-veiled form of circular logic used
> by Baldeagle)?
> why are you like Baldeagle? i thought you are better?
I don't use circular logic. You must be misunderstanding. Rational
discourse is about honest discussion from the POV of truth. There is
truth. The sky is blue, for example. It's not all relative to a POV.
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > If my POV is incorrect, then I will be wrong. Some things really are
> > true.
> my question is more to the tune of: without a thorough analysis of the
> history of the interactions between US and China / N Korea / Iran,
> especially the contributions to the problem on the part of the US, how
> can an objective third party concur with your POV?
All that should be accounted for.
> Take Iran ... please!!!
> if i were an Iranian, i would be thinking: hey these Yankee infidels
> (their term for "maddafakkas") have been interfering with our country's
> (and our neighbouring country's) bizness ... they are evil! why should
> i bend to their will?
I can understand that point of view. But I also know plenty of
Iranians who also think that Iranian government is nuts. Of course
it's true that the US has behaved badly at times with Iran. I'm not
promoting some "USA!" type rah rah philosophy. Just honest discussion.
The US has behaved badly, but the Iranians are nuts. Irrational is
hard to deal with.
> > On May 3, 6:03 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
> >> On 4/05/2012 5:35 AM, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >>> On May 3, 12:17 pm, TheInquirer<alw...@ask.questions> wrote:
> >>>> On 4/05/2012 1:10 AM, bmo...@nyx.net wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> Would
> >>>>> you want someone to come knocking on your door because you criticized
> >>>>> someone on Usenet?
> >>>> which brings the question: do human beings really have free-will?
> >>> Yes, but you need to free your mind to exercise it well.
> >>>> maybe you think you have freedom, but McDonald's and the media are
> >>>> really the ones in control ... of your mind?
> >>> If you are in control of your mind, you already know the answer to
> >>> that.
> >> and what if i am trapped to just ask and ask and ask and ask and ask
> >> questions?
> > Seems like maybe you are :-)
> >> what if i am a robotic question generator ... i really
> >> cannot control it ... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
> > If it is having a negative impact on you then you need to try to
> > control it if you want to improve yourself.
> what negative impact? are asking questions bad?
Asking too many questions can be bad. For one thing, it starts to
annoy people after a while, which is bad if you want to keep having a
discussion. Questions should be combined with rational commentary.
On May 4, 3:55 pm, "Gabriel Smith" <donts...@abc.com> wrote:
> Yes, i agree with you. In the book "The Web that has no weaver" (I believe
> it is still available for loan from our library), the author stated that for
> centuries Chinese medical practitioners have been writing commentary ×¢½â
> for »ÊµÛÄÚ¾ but for the western doctors since they don't have this type of
> authoritative books they must invent new drugs or surgery procedures to
> fight diseases, China will be china and the west will be the west, I think
.> they are like oil and water cannot be mixed, hopefully Blind Chen
.> knows that he is being used.
Blind Chen work for the USA...as a human right activist...
he is not 'being used'but paid to do a job.
The episode has shown that the USA is being used by
Chen ..to realize his dream of going to the USA and being
taken care by uncle Sam.
<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 3:55 pm, "Gabriel Smith" <donts...@abc.com> wrote:
>> Yes, i agree with you. In the book "The Web that has no weaver" (I believe
>> it is still available for loan from our library), the author stated that for
>> centuries Chinese medical practitioners have been writing commentary ×¢½â
>> for »ÊµÛÄÚ¾ but for the western doctors since they don't have this type of
>> authoritative books they must invent new drugs or surgery procedures to
>> fight diseases, China will be china and the west will be the west, I think
>.> they are like oil and water cannot be mixed, hopefully Blind Chen
>.> knows that he is being used.
>Blind Chen work for the USA...as a human right activist...
>he is not 'being used'but paid to do a job.
>The episode has shown that the USA is being used by
>Chen ..to realize his dream of going to the USA and being
>taken care by uncle Sam.
By the way, why are you, a non citizen, frothing in the mouth with
your testicle bags tied up in a knot?
There are so many Chinese citizens who are supporting Chen and calling
for the release of the hundreds who are unjustly detained. Likewise
there has been protests in Taiwaqn and Hong Kong.
So, will you say that those people are also US activists?
> On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
.> By the way, why are you, a non citizen, frothing in
.> the mouth with your testicle bags tied up in a knot?
No. you are not a sexy woman with gentle hand...
you cannot take care of my balls. I am not gay.
Go..try offering to the Marines.
.> There are so many Chinese citizens who are supporting Chen...
.> Likewise there has been protests in Taiwaqn and Hong Kong.
No enough....the USA is bankrupt now...do not have
enough,...to pay for more activists....
I remember,...there were almost a million in TAM square. How
many were there in Hong Kong demo ? A dozen...a hundred...
a thousands...ten thousands...??? WHY so few....so very, very
few ?
Not enough....not enough .. certainly not enough to
start an Arab Spring in China.
May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
better educated now.....are richer than American now.....
not so easily fooled the West now!!
> On May 5, 6:02 pm, AleXX <mad...@imh.sg> wrote:> On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
> .> By the way, why are you, a non citizen, frothing in
> .> the mouth with your testicle bags tied up in a knot?
> No. you are not a sexy woman with gentle hand...
> you cannot take care of my balls. I am not gay.
> Go..try offering to the Marines.
> .> There are so many Chinese citizens who are supporting Chen...
> .> Likewise there has been protests in Taiwaqn and Hong Kong.
> No enough....the USA is bankrupt now...do not have
> enough,...to pay for more activists....
> I remember,...there were almost a million in TAM square. How
> many were there in Hong Kong demo ? A dozen...a hundred...
> a thousands...ten thousands...??? WHY so few....so very, very
> few ?
> Not enough....not enough .. certainly not enough to
> start an Arab Spring in China.
> May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
> better educated now.....are richer than American now.....
> not so easily fooled the West now!!
> Ha ha ha ha he he he he
correction : Should read:
"May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
better educated now.....many are richer than American now.....
not so easily fooled by the West now!! "
Some hpw...those two little words are removed from
my original posting.
<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 5, 6:18 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 5, 6:02 pm, AleXX <mad...@imh.sg> wrote:> On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
>> .> By the way, why are you, a non citizen, frothing in
>> .> the mouth with your testicle bags tied up in a knot?
>> No. you are not a sexy woman with gentle hand...
>> you cannot take care of my balls. I am not gay.
>> Go..try offering to the Marines.
>> .> There are so many Chinese citizens who are supporting Chen...
>> .> Likewise there has been protests in Taiwaqn and Hong Kong.
>> No enough....the USA is bankrupt now...do not have
>> enough,...to pay for more activists....
>> I remember,...there were almost a million in TAM square. How
>> many were there in Hong Kong demo ? A dozen...a hundred...
>> a thousands...ten thousands...??? WHY so few....so very, very
>> few ?
>> Not enough....not enough .. certainly not enough to
>> start an Arab Spring in China.
>> May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
>> better educated now.....are richer than American now.....
>> not so easily fooled the West now!!
>> Ha ha ha ha he he he he
>correction : Should read:
>"May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
>better educated now.....many are richer than American now.....
>not so easily fooled by the West now!! "
>Some hpw...those two little words are removed from
>my original posting.
His wife can sell her eggs to childless parents. These eggs are in demand and fetch quite high prices. An egg a month will be able to sustain their lifes for some time.
On May 2, 4:15 pm, "AleXX®" <cir...@cycle.net> wrote:
.> This blind dissident have two choice. Bundle up with his families
.> and go stay in America or permanently camp inside the US embassy
.> in Beijing.
The third choice....he can choose to stay in China with his wife
and kids. And he has so chosen.
> On Sat, 5 May 2012 03:26:20 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
> <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 5, 6:18 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 5, 6:02 pm, AleXX <mad...@imh.sg> wrote:> On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT), baldeagle
> >> .> By the way, why are you, a non citizen, frothing in
> >> .> the mouth with your testicle bags tied up in a knot?
> >> No. you are not a sexy woman with gentle hand...
> >> you cannot take care of my balls. I am not gay.
> >> Go..try offering to the Marines.
> >> .> There are so many Chinese citizens who are supporting Chen...
> >> .> Likewise there has been protests in Taiwaqn and Hong Kong.
> >> No enough....the USA is bankrupt now...do not have
> >> enough,...to pay for more activists....
> >> I remember,...there were almost a million in TAM square. How
> >> many were there in Hong Kong demo ? A dozen...a hundred...
> >> a thousands...ten thousands...??? WHY so few....so very, very
> >> few ?
> >> Not enough....not enough .. certainly not enough to
> >> start an Arab Spring in China.
> >> May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
> >> better educated now.....are richer than American now.....
> >> not so easily fooled the West now!!
> >> Ha ha ha ha he he he he
> >correction : Should read:
> >"May be....just may be....the Chinese are smarter now...
> >better educated now.....many are richer than American now.....
> >not so easily fooled by the West now!! "
> >Some hpw...those two little words are removed from
> >my original posting.
> Yeah, removed by the CIA
> Right?
you think so !
I just know...often words are removed
or changed ...and often, my post went
missing for hours...before it appear.
The latest, I posted similar posts in reply to both your
posts offering to look after my balls.. at about the SAME
time....but the second one appeared only this morning.
Discussion subject changed to "What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)" by rst0
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > my question is more to the tune of: without a thorough
> > analysis of the history of the interactions between US
> > and China / N Korea / Iran, especially the contributions
> > to the problem on the part of the US, how can an objective
> > third party concur with your POV?
> All that should be accounted for.
> > Take Iran ... please!!!
> > if i were an Iranian, i would be thinking: hey these
> > Yankee infidels (their term for "maddafakkas") have
> > been interfering with our country's (and our neighbouring
> > country's) bizness ... they are evil! why should
> > i bend to their will?
> I can understand that point of view. But I also know plenty
> of Iranians who also think that Iranian government is nuts.
> Of course it's true that the US has behaved badly at times
> with Iran. I'm not promoting some "USA!" type rah rah philosophy.
> Just honest discussion. The US has behaved badly, but the
> Iranians are nuts. Irrational is hard to deal with.
The Iranians had more than enough of America's hands in their country.
Subject: Re: What other choice does he has? Blind Chen is a mere pawn in this US game in China...US lost. Chen lost (May be US provocateur will arrange for him to be killed....to create social unrest China)
> > does your "rational discourse" include considering things from your
> > enemy's point of view, or is it merely justifying your own point of view
> > with your own point of view (a thinly-veiled form of circular logic used
> > by Baldeagle)?
> > why are you like Baldeagle? i thought you are better?
> I don't use circular logic. You must be misunderstanding.
> Rational discourse is about honest discussion from the POV
> of truth. There is truth.
Truth is very elusive. Truth to one may NOT be truth to someone else.
