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Ed Valle

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Jan 25, 2002, 1:19:36 PM1/25/02
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"Toniuolevaiavea Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> From "Triumphs and Tragedy", by Ramon Eduardo Ruiz,
> copyright 1992. page 56
>
> Only by exploiting the land, which required Indian labor,
> could the Spanish colony flourish. Thus began the rape of
> the Indian, especially brutal between 1521 and 1550. The
> pillage of the Indian community included the taking of
> women, "the most beautiful and the virgins," according to
> the natives of Santo Tomas Ajusco; the Spaniards "were
> never satisfied."
>
> The hunt for labor and tribute, which Spaniards exacted
> from the Indian, helps explain the never-ending expeditions
> to explore, pacify, and enlarge the boundaries of New Spain.
> Even before the dust had settled on Tenochtitlan, Cortes
> dispatched expeditions to the four winds. Before long,
> Spanish soldiers has seized all of Mexico, marched into
> Central America and braved the arid region lying between
> the Californias and New Mexico.
>
> The subjugation of the Maya of Yucatan, actually never
> truly completed until the middle of the 19th century, lasted
> for a decade and a half, from 1527 to 1542. The mastery
> of Yucatan was entrusted to Francisco de Montejo, a
> companion of Juan de Grijalva on his expedition to Yucatan
> and later of Cortes.
> With the blessings of the crown, which named him an
> "adelantado", Montejo sailed from Spain in 1527 with 400
> men. In 1540, with the pacification of Yucatan still unfinished,
> and old and exhausted Montejo delegated the subjugation of
> the Maya to his son. Montejo El Mozo completed what his
> father had set out to do, founding Merida, the capital of
> Yucatan, in 1542.
>
> Tha pacification of southern Mexico started in 1521, when
> Cortes sent Gonzalo de Sandoval to Coatzalcoalcos. Luis
> Marin went off to impose Spanish control on the Zapotecs
> of Oaxaca and, to do so, pushed south into Chiapas, where
> he established a town. Chiapas resisted the Spaniards until
> 1527, when Diego de Mazariegos subdued its inhabitants.
>
> Pacification of northern Mexico began under Beltran Nunyo
> de Guzman, a corrupt and sanctimonious lawyer of noble
> family with friends in high places. Guzman set off for Mihoacan
> in 1529, acquiring almost immeditaely a reputation for cruelty.
> The natives knew him as the "senyor de la borca y cuchillo",
> the man who relied on the noose and knife to kill. Among his
> wanton acts one stood out: the hanging of six Indian chieftains
> simply because they failed to sweep the path over which he
> would walk. For six years, this sadistic Spaniards pillaged
> Mihoacan, southern Zacatercas, Jalisco, and Culiacan, a
> region baptized Nueva Galicia.
>
> page61
> Encomenderos, first off, had their pick of the Indian women,
> whether with husband or not. They used them as domestics
> and as concubines and, when they were no longer useful,
> drove them away. On the sugar plantations, the encomenderos
> "married" them off to their slaves. Some beat their Indian to
> death; others buried them alive; the less cruel killed them with
> guns. When they fled from his grasp, the encomendero pursued
> them with bloodhounds. Cortes and fellow encomenderos
> earned money by selling their Indians into slavery. Juan Ponce
> de Leon, one of these encomenderos, beat his Indians so badly
> that the authorities arrested him for crimes. The best of the
> encomenderos drove their Indians from dawn to dusk, while
> the heartless robbed them of their goods.
>
> page 68
> Zumarraga, one of the most fanatical of them, believed that
> they must discipline Indian heretics. As apolistic inquisitor, he
> brought before him some 19 Indian "sinners", one being Don
> Carlos Chichimecatecuhtli, whose notorious trial in Texcoco
> in 1539 ended with his burning at the stake. In Mihoacan, a
> Augustinian zealot had 4 Indian heretics tied to a pole in the
> town plaza, laid quantities of wood at their feet, and then lit a
> fire, which the wind suppossedly blew out of control. Whatever
> the friar's intent, 2 of the Indians were burned alive and the
> others scarred for life. Another friar in Mihoacan had an Indian
> tortured in order to compel him to confess his sins. On the next
> day, when the jailer came to his cell, he found that he had hanged
> himself to escape further torture. Similar accounts besmirched
> the reputation of the Franciscans in Yucatan, where they kept a
> tight rein for over 2 centuries. Beatings were common, as well
> as reliance on church jails to woo the unconvinced. At church
> masses, the absent were noted and, when caught, whipped.
>
> page 77
> The dramatic decline of its native population also recast the
> society of New Spain. The death of millions of Indians, as well
> as the fickleness of mining, shaped the silver age. According to
> some scholars, of the 25 million people who dwelt in central
> Mexico in 1519, just slightly over one million survived over a
> century later. Even when the original figure is cut in half, as
> dissenting sages urge, and the number of survivors is doubled,
> the loss of Indian life is still breathtaking. Not until the
> mid-seventeenth century did the decline come to an end. No
> other European conquest had such devastating repurcussions..
>
> Illness alone did not kill the Indians. The black legend off
> a ruthless Spain was no myth. The Spaniard was directly
> responsible for the death of millions of native peoples. The
> Spaniards, after all, came to get rich, if not with gold and
> silver, off the labor of the Indian.
>
> Not exempt from blame were the missionaries, often the
> same friars who defended the Indian. Determined to erect
> temples, convents, and monasteries, they demanded labor
> of their neophytes and settled them on mission lands, where
> European maladies spread like wildfires. Every one of the
> Catholic shrines, usually edifices for the use of a few friars
> and staffed with a raft of Indian servants, arose at the
> expense of the Indian's way of life. The clergy and their
> secular allies, furthermore, disturbed the ratio of food to
> man by reducing the numbers of dirt farmers while
> multiplying the ranks of townsfolk who must be fed. The
> policy of congregating Indians in pueblos, which exposed
> them to European diseases, exacerbated their plight.
> Spaniards, also, upset the ecological balance, cutting
> down the forests and using the wood for their buildings
> or fuel. Within a century, vast stretches of land lay barren
> of trees. The iron plow cut deep into the soil, often on
> unprotected slopes; when the rains came, they carried the
> topsoil away, leaving ravines and gullies. Cattle roamed
> freely, stripping the earth of its grass cover and adding to
> its woes in time of rain, or, more than once, wandered
> into the fields or corn and squash tilled by Indians,
> destroying crops and enlarging their food supply.
> Colonial record are replete with Indian complaints of
> damage done by cattle.
>
> The pivotal injury done to the Indian, maybe the clue to
> his demise, only students of the human psyche can measure.
> By intent and by accident, Spaniards altered drastically the
> native cultures. Conquest was a traumatic experience
> because the Spaniards made no effort to reach a cultural
> compromise. The Indians, recalled Bernardino de Sahagun,
> we so "trampled underfoot that not a vestige remained of
> what they had been." Sahagun exaggerated, but none of the
> major Indian groups, the Aztecs included, weathered the
> Conquest; only groups of marginal importance to the
> Spaniards, the Maya for one, survived. Still, even in
> Yucatan, the conquest was a terrible episode. The arival
> of the Spaniards reduced Maya society essentially to one
> class, coverting even the native elite, which lost all but a
> few of its privileges, to milpa farmers. Eventually, there
> were no native soldiers, no full-time craftsmen, no
> shopkeepers or millers of flour, occupations reserved for
> non-Indians.
>
> Subjugation transformed other aspects of native life.
> Before the arrival of the European, Indians ate raw food
> and vegetagbles in abundance and drank alcohol sparingly.
> The Europeans changed that. Among the Maya, for example,
> a people who drank sparingly before the Conquest,
> aloholism becamea major vice and the drinking of aguardiente,
> a raw, white rum, commonplace. Indians were also told to
> change their ancestral way of dress, to give up loincloth for
> zaraguelles, white cotton trousers, standard wear by the end
> of the 16th century. Women of the humbler families, accustomed
> to leaving their bosoms naked, were shamed into covering them
> with the huipil, before long their traditional blouse.
>
> page 87
> Before 1540, just 6 percent of Spaniards in New Spain were
> women. But Spaniards, like males the world over, could not live
> without women, and so they fornicated with Indian females and
> sired mestizos.
>
> page 89
> Cortes also introduced the first African slaves to New Spain.
> Most of them were of the Islamic faith, hailing from the western
> Sudan, the Congo, and the Gulf of Guinea. The Spaniards had
> first enslaved the Indian, at times placing him in chains, as had
> Nunyo de Guzman in Nueva Galicia. In the Panuco region of
> the Gulf of Mexico, they sold into slavery 15,000 Indians
> shipping them to the sugar plantations of the Caribbean.
> Spaniards held as many as 200,000 Indian slaves in 1542....
>

Hi Toniuolevaiavea,

The atrocities you brought forth described in painful detail some of the
events that occurred before 1810. Mexico didn't exist then and that makes
the title of your post invalid. I changed it to better reflect the
historical record.

I added soc.culture.spain to give the nice folks there a chance to comment
on these historical charges, if they so desire. I also added
alt.politics.immigration because I believe that is where you regularly
splash in your own feces for the world to see.

The rape of Mexican society by the gringos literarily started in the mid
1800's at Mexico City and La Angostura. These events prompted American
general Scott to lament along these lines: "The US should be ashamed of what
their soldiers did today in Mexico City" and Taylor, another American
general, was so disgusted by the torture and rape of about 20 of the La
Angostura civilians at the hands of some of his gringos that he wanted to
court-martial them right on the spot. Ironically, this was preempted by the
tumultuous noise made by Mexican general Santa Anna announcing his arrival
at that battlefield.

The rape of Mexican society continues unabated to this very day, though. I
am sure you're familiar with what is now called "sexual tourism" by gringos
to Mexico and other American nations. These perverts go down there to
sexually exploit young boys and girls, spreading their veneral diseases and
causing all kinds of horrors with their unbuttoned pants. The mental, social
and economical chaos and corruption caused by these gringos remains with
very few parallels in modern history.

All of this under the protection of the US federal government and their
obscene military arsenal. No one should dare exact street justice to any of
these "free and brave" gringos unless they want to be "bombed back to the
stone age".

This particular post of yours can be construed as an attempt to somehow
blame today's Mexico for these crimes of the past. It is equivalent to
blaming the rape victim for the crime suffered. "She/he was asking for it"
is a common retort from the rapists. You may be familiar with these replies
as you often imply how much you enjoy sucking your mother's tits. This
incestuous behavior is consistent with sexually abused children by the
people they love the most. You have failed several times to properly defend
yourself from public accussations of soliciting child pornography (asian
boys, IIRC) and engaging in lewd acts with petite females in public places.
Also, while your German daddy may have liked your mother's burrito body at
their prime, her current age makes your sexual fixation bordeline with
necrophilia. You may want to reconsider posting more information about those
illegal acts you allegedly commit with her behind closed doors.

Oh, btw, have a nice day.

Ed.

--
"There are many humorous things in this world. One of them is the White
people believing that they are less savage than the savages."
-- Mark Twain

Shotgun

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Jan 26, 2002, 5:27:08 AM1/26/02
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Another Mexican history lesson. Sorry, I'm much too young to have
participated in any of this. I also think you're much to young to have been
victimized by any of it.


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Ed Valle

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"Shotgun" <ep...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Another Mexican history lesson. Sorry, I'm much
> too young to have participated in any of this. I also
> think you're much to young to have been victimized
> by any of it.
>

Hi Shotgun,

You are correct.

I am old, fat and ugly and some would say that I certainly look older than
some 150 year old shit, but, I assure you, that is not the case.

I'll take this as a compliment. Thanks,

Ed.

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