Miami Life
pedro martori
As a cuban, I was proud to see , in much older times, in Cuba , how the
immigrants to our island became as cuban as the born there and all those
descendants of the several generations.
We felt proud that new immigrants came to our island and sooner than we
could realize they were feeling almost the same as any cuban born on the
island.
It was sentenced in a phrase well known among the older cubans , or those of
the generation
prior to this Kastro totalitarian repressive regime : SE APLATANARON, or
ESTAN APLATANADOS...
Meaning they became as much cubans as anyone else.
But this also bring to the issue the fact that many of those immigrants
never went back home, making of Cuba their true and permannt homeland.
They even shared with cubans all their feelings and struggles
Many did in fact sacrifice their own lives for Cuba.
and ....many have monuments in their memory in Cuba' soil
Like those chinese who came as railroad laborers in the early 1800s...
One of them was a general in the Cuban War of Independence,
and in Havana the chinese have a monumnt where a plate says :
"NO ONE OF US ,CHINESE, EVER BETRAYED THIS ( CUBA) ,OUR HOMELAND."
pedro martori
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> > > > baba dadá (el cabrón)
> > > > rum&coke & a real sharp pencil...
> >
> > ({Snipped a bunch of stuff for brevity})
> >
> > > Thank you Sir!
> > >
> > > It sounds to me like you've got a grip on what it means to be
American.
> I
> > > met so few foreign-born people who actually "got it" while living in
> Dade,
> > I
> > > concluded that the whole place just isn't America any more. As a 13th
> > > generation American, I felt as though my heritage was being
disrespected
> > as
> > > being somehow inferior every day. I even had heated arguments with
some
> > > guys who swore that everyone has a right to come here illegally
because
> > the
> > > "give me your poor, your tired, your huddled..." malarkey is in the
> > > Constitution. They thought that my copy must have been a biased,
> > > abbreviated one and told me that the stories handed down to me through
> the
> > > generations by my ancestors were lies. Nice way to make a "host"
feel,
> > huh?
> > >
> > > I have the impression that you are a "first-wave Cuban immigrant." Is
> > this
> > > correct? Maybe even Pedro Pan? If so, you're one of the few, I
think,
> > who
> > > didn't get caught up in trying to recreate some idealized version of
the
> > > failed system Batista-supporting Cubans were forced to flee. If you
> > aren't
> > > of this descent, my apologies; some may consider being lumped with
them
> to
> > > be an insult. One of my two or three best friends in high school was
a
> > > Pedro Pan migrant, but having grown up in Broward in a family that
made
> a
> > > conscious effort to assimilate, he "got it" too. I think his not
having
> > any
> > > relatives who served in the former Batista regime made him less
vehement
> > in
> > > trying to maintain his culture over and above that of America's.
> > >
> > > In any case, it appears you are as fed up with the societal
> disintegration
> > > of culture that "diversity" and "multiculturalism" breeds as I am. I
> > could
> > > go on and on (I plan to on my web site), but this isn't the place for
> it.
> > > My wife and I have decided that Katie will never set foot in a Broward
> > > School, public or private. When we move, we probably won't stay
close
> to
> > > S. Florida because the cultural decay is spreading north too fast. I
> don't
> > > know if there is a place in Florida where I can rest assured that my
> > > retirement years won't be impacted by those with the values, ethics
and
> > > mores similar to Dade County's leaders. You don't have a government,
> you
> > > have a mosh-pit down there.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The American Kernel
> > > http://www.americankernel.com
> >
> > Kernel,
> > Glad you appreciate some of my perspective. I'm not too sure what I have
a
> > grip on, if loving freedom and dignity, respecting my neighbors and
"doing
> > unto others as...", believing in and fearing God, having a passion for
> self
> > determination and the ability to do my thing while not infringing on
your
> > right to do yours, have anything to do with it, then I might have a
handle
> > on it.
>
> That's a big part of it. And I'm glad to correspond with an American of
> Cuban descent who "gets it." I often wondered if there were many of you
> guys left!
>
> My unfortunate "Miami experience" was rife with disrespect aimed at me by
my
> neighbors and others because I was "anglo." I actually felt unwelcome,
> despised and unwanted for the entire year I lived there. There was just a
> huge disconnect between my experience with the people of Miami in 1990 and
> my Cuban friends from school and from my neighborhood in Broward in the
60's
> and 70's. The animosity I felt directed at me because of my heritage did
> not make sense and it angered the hell out of me. The amount vitriol
> bandied between all of the various ethnic, cultural and national groups
> there steeled my resolve that this sort of immigration flood was not the
> sort that would, or could, assimilate. Rather, it was during my time
there
> that I became convinced that the number...the percentage...of foreign-born
> residents in Dade is just too high for the true "America" to actually be a
> part of the common dream there. Looking at it from an American historical
> perspective, my conclusion was right.
>
> Historically, we've had an average of about 7% foreign-born residents in
> America since the day it was founded. That average dips to about 5% if
> three or four of the larger "spikes" in immigration are adjusted out. In
> reality and in utmost truth and fact, America is NOT a "nation of
> immigrants." It is a nation of those descended from immigrants. It is a
> nation of eager assimilants. It is a nation of Americans by birth and
> Americans by desire; prior to the 1965 immigration reforms and "The Great
> Society," fully one-quarter to one-third of each previous wave of
immigrants
> did not stay. Too many arrivals of late don't know about our history or
> such obiligations. Nor do they care for them or respect them the
slightest
> bit. To me, Miami is one of the main "ground zeros" that portend the
> eventual eradication of my daughter's birthright. I refuse to sit still
for
> it.
>
> > If believing in the authority of the United States Constitution *and*
The
> > Bill of Rights, and being of the opinion that the Declaration of
> > Independence is a *just* document has any bearing on having "got it",
then
> I
> > might have some of it.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> > If having an understanding that this great nation was founded on the
> > principle of individual dignity and on the premise that God and His Laws
> are
> > the ultimate authority, and that no man or man made law can interfere in
> the
> > relationship between an individual and God, has anything to do with it,
I
> > might just be an American.
>
> Don't say stuff like that at a school board meeting, you'll likely be
> arrested.
>
> >
> > If, having Jeffersonian Democracy , a republic made up of honestly
elected
> > representatives where my opinion is respected and taken into
consideration
> > as my choice for the government where I live, then by George I've got
it.
>
> Yes, you do. Now, tell me...how come the Diaz-Balarts are in Congress? I
> find it appalling that there are Batista lackeys with that level of power
in
> American government. I know them both. I know Al Gutman. I knew Miguel
> Recaray, bless his fugitive soul. Jorge Mas Canosa too. I don't like
CANF,
> mostly because I always got the willies around Mas and the Diaz Balarts;
> when my gut feeling is not to trust someone, I usually don't. At one
point
> I liked Ileana, but now she pisses me off too. I saw her telling one
> bald-faced lie after another about an amnesty bill on Fox News last
> summer...that was it. I'll never trust her again.
>
> It has always appeared to me that CANF has never really wanted Castro
> overthrown. Why would they? CANF's leadership has had a heck of a lot
more
> power, prestige and CIA-provided wealth than they ever could have realized
> in a free Cuba. Plus, as long as Fidel is in power, they don't have to
> actually go DO something to fix the mess they helped him make, huh?
>
> >
> > If my home is MY CASTLE...and storm troopers don't come barging in.
> > If the government respects my right to bear arms..they keep the bad guys
> > away, I don't hunt.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> >
> > Does "it" have anything to do with Norman Rockwell? ;-)
>
> Well, I'll admit my notions of America are a bit Rockwellian...
>
> >
> > Good job on your site Sir. Well designed, nice layout, necessary
content.
> I
> > agree with your letters to Katie (so far), and I think you should write
> more
> > of them. All the links are cool too, but the Katie idea is the winner.
> > Also, (if you'll pardon my creative criticism), you need some pix. Color
> > photos depicting unAmerican acts to inflame the passion, Mom, apple pie,
> > nostalgic Americana to inspire. Educational (patriotic) tidbits ( also
for
> > Katie..) You "represent".
>
> I've got a lot I want to do with the site. It was put up on March 30th,
and
> I'm the only contributor. Give it time and keep visiting. If you have
some
> links you think fit, let me know.
>
> >
> > "Give me your poor, your tired, huddled masses"...some people are
> offensive,
> > some people are easily offended, some people are ignorant and some tell
> > lies. I'm sure you and I could have some wonderful arguments, and the
> great
> > thing is that we'd both be right. If only Barry Goldwater had won we
> > wouldn't be having this discussion.
> >
>
> Emma Lazarus's words misled us, and we allowed it. Media has cemented the
> lie into popular culture. I'd like to get it out. Before 1965, America
> seemed to have a "natural force" that let those who would assimilate in,
but
> sent those who could not assimilate back to their points of origin. I
wish
> I knew where it went. If Goldwater had been elected, we'd not be having
> this discussion for sure...Miami would be a nice place.
>
> > No Pedro Pan here, close but no banana. Second wave. Freedom Flights.
> Class
> > of '62. I turned 8 two days after landing at MIA. It was very emotional.
> > People broke out in spontaneous singing of the Cuban National Anthem
> amidst
> > shouts of "God Bless America!" and "¡Viva Cuba Libre!" upon landing.
Many
> > dropped to the ground and kissed the asphalt as they crossed themselves
> and
> > gave thanks to God and Uncle Sam.
>
> You remind me of the time in which I felt good about America being a place
> of refuge. And you make me sad with wonder as to what went wrong.
>
> > My dad had left Cuba in '59 when Castro nationalized his business, he
> > emptied the safe,got on a plane and went to France where he was
> instrumental
> > (his money was) in the development of the Concorde (recently retired)
> > It took two years to get the visa waiver and from the moment my mom
> applied
> > there was no work, no food except what she could get from farms or the
> black
> > market. We needed my dad's signature which we couldn't get, to get me
out,
> > so my mom arranged for a boat...ring an Elian? But she finally found a
> good
> > forger...
>
> That was a noble time and we sheltered noble people. I'm not sure that
> Mariel should bear all the blame for making Miami irreparable, but it is a
> major factor. It hasn't helped that your community has a horrible track
> record when it comes to the ethics and morality of those they elect. That
> Banana Republic label is well-deserved.
>
> >
> > Batista was a crook. I was just a kid, but my family supported Prio. I
> don't
> > think Cuban assimilation or lack thereof has anything to do with whether
> > exiles were pro Batista or not. Cuban exiles were either pro Batista,
pro
> > Prio,or pro revolution but anti marxis, or they didn't give a damn but
> anti
> > marxist. In all cases, they(we) came to the United States as political
> > refugees, not necessarily as permanent immigrants. But life goes on.
> > Cubans that went to Broward or were relocated elsewhere, away from the
> > concentrated cultural reinforcement of their peers in Miami, naturally
> > assimilated into their environments quicker than the Miami Cubans as a
> > matter of survival.
>
> I'm doubful that Miami will ever be able to re-assimilate into America
> unless we shut down immigration entirely for quite a while. And I don't
buy
> the notion that those who come here from Cuba today are anthing but
economic
> refugees. That "wet-foot, dry-foot" policy is most disturbing.
>
> >
> > Cuban exiles, where ever in the world they live (and we are everywhere),
> are
> > always Cuban first. You celebrate your Heritage. The English, Irish,
> > Scottish, German, Polish, especially the Italians, all celebrate their
> > Heritage, and all these folks came over to stay in the first place.
> Doesn't
> > stop them from contributing to what being an American is all about, and
> > after a couple of generations, they become Americans first.
>
> I wish I could be as certain as you that this will happen in South
Florida.
> As in California, the sheer numbers are just so far out of hand. I don't
> see much good in the future of a "United States" unless radical action is
> taken. Quebec nearly seceded from Canada, and I see a similar "set-up"
> taking shape here in a generation or two. I just can't see a long-term
> cohesion happening. Previous immigrant groups added little bits of their
> culture to America's unique culture...that was mostly due to their
> relatively small numbers. The Poles, Germans, Italians, etc. never had
> radical separatist groups like Aztlan sprouting chapters at universities.
> They never formed groups like MaLDEF and NCLR either.
>
> > Cubans came over because Cuba was taken over in a soviet backed coup by
a
> > trouble maker originally backed by the CIA. The exiles figured that the
> > mighty USA wouldn't put up with some third rate dictator turning
treasure
> > island into a soviet satellite, and that soon we'd all go home.
> > Home, you know the feeling, family, old friends, the dirt you first
played
> > ball on. Should I mention JFK? Nah, you know.
>
> If JFK hadn't been in office, Castro probably would be dead. And the few
> Cubans in Miami would be Democrats! ;)
>
> > And so, the 8 year old turned 49.
> > When I signed up for the draft, I got my self in trouble with my sharp
> > pencil. I wrote on the application, in the space reserved for their
> > comments, that it made no sense to me to go fight communism in Vietnam
> when
> > we could go do it 90 miles or so from home...
>
> OOPS!
>
> >
> > You remember the Iraqui guy holding the sign saying "Thank You Mr.
Bush"?
> > There's a cuban american hippie redneck republican independent of french
> and
> > spanish descent who says he's not hispanic, he's not latino, he's white
> and
> > he speaks perfect English, holding up a sign on which is written:" Mr.
> Bush,
> > ¿ Y Cuba qué?"
>
> LOL
>
> > When I'm driving down the road and see Old Glory laying in the street,
> > broken off some car, I stop traffic if I have to, but I pick it up in
> Honor
> > of The Republic for which it stands.
> > When I see the Cuban flag and hear El Himno Nacional de la Republica, I
> > stand up and put my hand to my heart and sing. In Honor of the place
where
> I
> > was born.
> > Red, White, and Blue.
>
> That's cool. But you do realize that there are a lot of people who will
> never respect that after watching the Elian saga on TV, right? I have to
> tell you, seeing Cuban flags on cars make me see red...unless there's an
> American Flag there too.
>
> >
> > No apologies needed.
> > I am fed up with the social disintegration, but I embrace cultural
> diversity
> > as it keeps things interesting.
>
> I've grown fond of saying that America was founded by a group of "narrowly
> diverse" people. Religion bound them. Christianity, regardless of
> denomination, bound them. There is a certain importance to having at
least
> a somewhat significant congruence of world views for a people to form and
> maintain a nation. Therefore, I question the compatibility of those with
> Muslim beliefs. I'm concerned about cultures that practice genital
> mutilation setting up shop and claiming exemption from law due to
religious
> practice...I mean Santeria and Rastafarianism are bad enough! I'm worried
> about our bringing in 12 thousand Somali Bantu, who have never assimilated
> anywhere they've been in about 1000 years, and setting them up to
> proliferate. Their tribal tradition is to periodically send out scouts to
> find food and water, then move to where resources are the most plentiful.
> The first 1000 we settled here, we put in small groups in cities all over
> the US. Wouldn't you know it...they sent out "scouts" to find cities with
> underused social service programs, plentiful, cheap housing and great
> amenities. The poor folks in Lewiston, Maine got quite a shock when the
> whole tribe just showed up there last year. That kind of "diversity" is a
> bit too "interesting" for me!
>
> > I lay the blame on greed and commercialism.
> > The corporate state that moved the Twiddle factories did a little
> hammering
> > away. The social reformers that made it possible to see gay comedies on
> > broadcast prime time tv hammered too.
>
> There really is a "Gay Agenda." It is quite enlightening:
>
> http://www.parentsrightsusa.com/Overhauling%20of%20Straight%20America.htm
>
> And if you don't recognize that the playbook has been followed almost to
the
> letter, you need to get your literacy checked! ;)
>
> > The guilty liberals that invented
> > quotas and equal employment based on ethnic group or race instead of
> ability
> > took some chips. Bell curve grading and bilingual education,
> hammer-hammer,
> > chip-chip. Throwing God out of public school and making abortion a
> socially
> > acceptable alternative...pound. Uncontrolled immigration (letting all
the
> > riff raff in, for any old reason) Sledge!
>
> Yessir!
>
>
> >
> > The first of my ancestors to touch American soil disembarked in 1702.
Most
> > of the folks with my last name live in Louisiana, so I might go back a
> bunch
> > of generations, but for all practical purposes I'm a newbie. But my son
is
> > an American, and so am I even while I hum 'Guantanamera' sip cafe cubano
> and
> > smoke Dominican Cigars (the embargo)
>
> Former State Rep. Luis Morse, who was injured in the Bay of Pigs, is the
> grandson of Tobacco Barons from, I think, North Carolina. I like Luis.
> He's a hoot.
>
> >
> > I see I got *REAL* long winded...
>
> And I think I beat you! LOL
>
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > baba cuba libre
>
> You know, you seem a lot (in attitude) like a Cuban girl that I dated a
long
> time ago. Last time we communicated, she said she finally got fed up with
> what Miami was becoming and moved to Virginia. The Elian saga was the
final
> straw for her; she said it embarassed her to be associated with it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> --
> The American Kernel
> http://www.americankernel.com
>
>
americankernel
"pedro martori" <pedr...@progression.net> wrote in message
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I had never heard this, but upon reflection it makes perfect sense. Now
knowing this, I must suppose that from an historical Cuban perspective, the
cultural usurpment that has happened in Miami, and continues in South
Florida, is contrary to what Cuban culture would dictate. Is this a correct
assessment? If so, do other Caribbean and Latin American nations have
similar assimilative values and customs? Is assimilation expected of those
who come with the intent to remain? Is it culturally enforced? Are
"guests" who refuse, in the long term, to "get with the program" culturally
shunned? Do they suffer any "informal" consequences for not embracing their
host country? Would they be allowed to supplant the existing system of
values, mores and ethics? Or would they be violently opposed if they
attempted such subversion?
I'm willing to bet that the latter is the case.
If what you say is true, there is a disconnect between behavior and
tradition on the part of a huge segment of migrants that America is
currently hosting. At the same time, the prevalence of silly politically
correct notions in America have stifled the natural assimilative processes,
while we allow record numbers of people to migrate in. That's not a good
formula for long-term stability, success or continued greatness.
Thanks for the great information. It is much appreciated.
Warm Regards,
Baba Dadá
Indeed American Kernel is right in his desire to keep America-American.
I think that anyone would be proud to see immigrants to their country adopt
the customs and traditions of their adopted home (more precisely, of the
home which adopts them). When in Rome, do as the Romans...
However, I disagree with certain presumptions that it seems to me the Kernel
(or at least many who share many of the Kernel's opinions) makes.
When he speaks of "getting it", I think Mr. Kernel honestly believes that
love for Freedom and Democracy is something that we as Cuban Exiles have to
learn from native Americans of European stock.
Most "Anglo" Americans that I'm acquainted with know nothing about Cuban
women under Spanish colonial rule donating their jewelry to George
Washington and the American Revolution during the War of Independence so
that Mr. Washington could feed and pay his troops.
"They" assume (almost correctly) that Cuba has had one long dictatorship
since winning their independence from Spanish rule, and they assume that
Cuba's independence was only a by-product of the Spanish-American War. (Jose
Who? Antonio What?)
Furthermore, Most of my "American" friends seem to think (perhaps like Mr.
Kernel) that the Cuban idea of politics is Ricky Ricardo (Desiderio Arnaz)
beating a conga drum while singing "Babalú".
Moreover, I think when folks like Mr. Kernel speak of "getting it" they
sometimes confuse our (Cuban exile) refusal to forget our place of birth,
heritage, language and customs as a refusal to become "aplatanado".
According to some of my "Anglo" friends, it's OK to celebrate St. Patrick's
Day and fly Irish flags (sans Old Glory even) dress in green and revel in
their Celtic roots, but it's disrespectful of me to fly the Cuban flag on El
20 de Mayo, or to speak Spanish around them. ( the expression "Mind your own
business" is intrinsically American, but since "they", in their self
centered arrogance seem to think that "we" are *always* talking about them,
and in "their" seeming fear of anyone with hair a shade darker than theirs
they assume that we must be plotting "against" them, "they" make it their
business to try to control the language we speak.
The original (successful) colonists of this country (USA) spoke English. It
is the language of the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, and the laws upon
which this country was built. As such it is and should continue to be the
official language of the country. A common unit of exchange for ideas is a
necessary thing in any thriving society. But this doesn't mean that people
who speak languages other than English don't share the dreams and ideals
that should be in the heart of anyone calling themselves "American".
Mr. Kernel by his very "handle" (screen name) seeks to preserve the heritage
of the original settlers of this great land, and should be commended for it.
But he should also be reminded that any "kernel" that doesn't adapt to his
changing environment and learn to deal positively with new situations is
doomed to crash.
The original English settlers of the London Company died of starvation and
exposure. This went on for several years, each new load of would be
colonists perishing until they sent some Polish craftsmen along to make sure
the not so hardy English colonial kernel would survive the American winter.
During Thanksgiving, Americans thank God and the Indians for giving them
turkey, but they forgot to thank the Poles. (and proceeded to invent Polish
jokes, which aren't anywhere as funny as their Cuban jokes, though the jokes
about Cuban rafters and sharks aren't funny at all.)
America is a nation of immigrants. That one person or another can trace his
"American" family roots a dozen generations back, only tells me that said
person had an adventurer or political or economic refugee in their family a
dozen generations back.
As I have mentioned, one of my ancestors came to America in 1702. He didn't
like it. Too many turkeys.
I agree with Mr. Kernel about the need to control illegal immigration, but
not because it "waters down" "American" racial/ethnic/cultural stock or
dilutes the racial purity of Uncle Sam. I have a hard time pin pointing
which racial stock or precisely what ethnic group Uncle Sam belongs in.
Santa Claus is white, I know that. But he could be a white Spanish guy, and
Uncle Sam looks Jewish (Samuel..long nose, beady eyes..)
My problem with immigration is that while they're sending Cuban rafters back
to Cuba ( a communist country ruled by an admitted enemy of America) they're
letting undocumented Mexicans stay. While would be Cuban exiles wait for
visas, Arab terrorists run the 7-11s and study in our aviation schools.
While my people get eaten by sharks trying to make it to freedom ( a freedom
that they have to sneak into like a thief to dry ground), the local
department stores are run by Colombians who moonlight as drug dealers and
turn single family homes into 4 or 5 unit apartment buildings and bring
their dogs to shit in front of my house, and by Haitians that condemn
immigration policy towards legitimately political Cuban refugees while they
shit in the streets and turn single family homes into 10 or 15 unit solares.
I agree with Mr. Kernel, immigrants to this (and any) country should be
prepared to assimilate.
What many folks like Mr. Kernel fail to realize is that most Cuban-Americans
haven't been given the opportunity to consider whether or not we want to
immigrate. It's not like we decided to come live here because we like South
Beach better than Varadero or Crandon Park over La Concha. We're not here
because American factories pay better. It's not just because there is no
food in Cuba, it's because we couldn't be having this conversation in Cuba,
it's because Fidel would have put Pedro to the firing squad by now and I'd
be doing cadena perpetua for telling it like it is.
If Cuba were a free country, then we would truly have the choice to be
immigrants. As long as Cuba is a communist dictatorship Cuban-Americans will
continue to be very hyphenated. We will learn English because we have to (if
and when), we will become citizens because it makes life easier when it
comes to getting student loans and mortgages. The American-Cuban children we
bear will continue to learn Spanish before they learn English, and will
continue to think of themselves as Cuban ( their American friends will
always remind them, if we ever let them forget)
In Cuba the press is censored, news, books, periodicals. The State runs all
the media and jams other broadcasts. The food you eat is controlled not only
by your means and it's availability, but rationed by the State.
Tourist attractions and hotels are off limits to the general population.
Children belong not to their families, but to the State. and on and on...
Pedro, you really should write more in English, perhaps our friends like Mr.
Kernel would realize that we're not just economic refugees. Not just light
skinned (in most cases) Haitians.
Which reminds me, If you ask an American Negro the question: "What are
you?", the answer in most cases wouldn't be "American", it would be "Black"
or "Afro-American" or whatever is in vogue. If you ask a Cuban Negro the
same question, the answer (in most cases) would be "Cuban"...regardless of
racism or not. What does that tell you?
It tells me that no insult or disrespect is meant toward folks like Mr.
Kernel (who I'm sure could be a good friend) by our Cubanismo, it's just
that the Salsa in our blood isn't easily diluted or assimilated. It brings
the special flavor of ajo y naranja agria, the pungent aroma of café and
tabaco, the sweet taste of guarapo and intoxicating quality of ron and agua
ardiente to any mix.
I love Rock & Roll, but even the white folks (who ever they may be) know
that you can't dance to it.
So Mr. Kernel, when I offer you a "Rosa Blanca" and you condemn it's thorns
rather than appreciate it's fragrance and the beauty of it's petals, when
you question it's worthiness to be planted in your soil that it not spoil
the garden....I wonder if it's not you that doesn't "get it"
By the way, I'm sorry that your Cuban-American girlfriend was embarrassed by
the whole Elian thing. As I mentioned (sort of), there but for the Grace of
God go I. It is my opinion that the boy deserved to stay in the United
States. If the legality of his staying was in question, the matter should
have been resolved in a court of Family Law, not by Ms Reno and the
Department of Immigration or President Horny. As Americans, the boy's Miami
family had the right to exhaust legal remedy, and that right was taken from
them at gun point by Federal Storm Troopers.
As Cuban friends and neighbors, the Cuban-American community had every right
to protest and demonstrate against the US government, and Thomas Jefferson
himself would have commended the restraint which was demonstrated even in
our use of civil disobedience.
It's too bad the rest of the community was inconvenienced by the traffic and
the dump trucks on the highway, that's what civil disobedience is about, and
many other minorities have demonstrated precedence in it's use. We thought a
boy's future was important enough to raise a fuzz.
Many "Americans" that I know, even folks who used to burn the US flag in the
sixties when they did drugs and had long hair, got real upset about
Cuban-Americans flying Old Glory upside down, "such disrespect from quests
in this country, don't they get it?" they said.
Yup, we got it. We saw that America was kissing up to an enemy tyrant. We
saw that the law was being flagrantly violated by those sworn to protect it,
and the ideals of American dignity were being thrown out the window by
perverts that somehow got in control of America and sold it out to her
enemies. So we put up an international distress call, the flag upside down.
It was out of respect and dedication to the ideals on which this Great
Nation was founded that we flew it upside down. It was done by
Cuban-American citizens who in many cases know more about America, her
government, and her Constitution than the American rednecks who went out
burning Cuban flags and chanting "No more Cubans" in reaction.
Some were upset about the thousands of Cuban-Americans carrying little Cuban
flags marching on eight street. We didn't have American flags because the
point was to show just how many people were suddenly being disenfranchised
from the community which wants us to melt into it's pot. All Cuban-Americans
were slapped in the face by Janet Reno, we were told that it didn't matter
that we've spent 40 years which feels like hundreds becoming Americans while
we waited for Castro to die or our country to be liberated, that we didn't
understand the law, as though our English was so bad that our lawyers didn't
understand the Constitution or State Statutes. We were shown by our American
friends that *you* didn't "get" why Cubans risk the jaws of sharks and
drowning, that while you drank our café and admired our women's tight jeans
you made no attempt at understanding our humanity.
See, I think the whole Elian affair was embarrassing also. It was truly
shameful the way the media turned a boy's plight into a circus, and the way
that most of "white"America reacted with either passionate hostility or
ignorant apathy to not only Elian, but to the fate of Cuban-American exiles
as a whole.
At least everyone showed their colors. As for Mr. Kernel's embarrassed
former girlfriend, I know people like her. They're the ones with last names
like Perez and Rodriguez who act offended if you speak Spanish to them or
around them, the ones that dye their hair blonde, wear blue contacts, and go
out only with Aryan men. Arrepentida.
respectfully,
baba dadá
Pssst...Viva Cuba Libre! (and I don't mean rum and coke...unless you add
yerba buena)
"pedro martori" <pedr...@progression.net> wrote in message
news:1fjJa.1683$bZ.2...@wagner.videotron.net...
americankernel
> Sr. Martori,
> Indeed American Kernel is right in his desire to keep America-American.
> I think that anyone would be proud to see immigrants to their country
adopt
> the customs and traditions of their adopted home (more precisely, of the
> home which adopts them). When in Rome, do as the Romans...
> However, I disagree with certain presumptions that it seems to me the
Kernel
> (or at least many who share many of the Kernel's opinions) makes.
>
> When he speaks of "getting it", I think Mr. Kernel honestly believes that
> love for Freedom and Democracy is something that we as Cuban Exiles have
to
> learn from native Americans of European stock.
I can see where that might become an assumption, but it is just slightly off
kilter. My feeling on the matter springs from my "American" reaction to
having those who haven't ever built a successful democracy fleeing here in
such numbers that the Americans fled in turn. This left very little
knowledge in Miami of what it really means to be American, especially the
"handed down" sort that is necessary for a culture to be perpetuated.
> Most "Anglo" Americans that I'm acquainted with know nothing about Cuban
> women under Spanish colonial rule donating their jewelry to George
> Washington and the American Revolution during the War of Independence so
> that Mr. Washington could feed and pay his troops.
I'm well aware that Spain had a major interest in seeing America win
independence for global political reasons. While I wasn't aware of the
jewelery issue, it only makes sense that such things occurred.
> "They" assume (almost correctly) that Cuba has had one long dictatorship
> since winning their independence from Spanish rule, and they assume that
> Cuba's independence was only a by-product of the Spanish-American War.
(Jose
> Who? Antonio What?)
> Furthermore, Most of my "American" friends seem to think (perhaps like Mr.
> Kernel) that the Cuban idea of politics is Ricky Ricardo (Desiderio
Arnaz)
> beating a conga drum while singing "Babalú".
Oh come on. I've literally lived Dade politics in a very up-close manner.
As a consultant, I was a part of every single state house and senate race
there (and in Broward and Palm Beach, too) between 1988 and 1992. I've had
more lunches at La Esquina de Tejas and Centro Vasco with candidates and
elected officials than I could ever count. It just so happens that those
meetings included an inordinate percentage of politicos who were later
indicted, convicted or who fled to avoid prosecution. My region was the
tri-county. I'll be the first to admit that my experience-driven opinion
remains a bit skewed; I only personally know two other people in leadership
positions who have ever been in any significant trouble with the law. Miami
seems to make corruption into some bizarre sport. Ricky Ricardo? No.
Banana Republic? Si!
>
> Moreover, I think when folks like Mr. Kernel speak of "getting it" they
> sometimes confuse our (Cuban exile) refusal to forget our place of birth,
> heritage, language and customs as a refusal to become "aplatanado".
In my experience it went beyond refusal to forget and crossed over into the
often heard perfect expression of disrespect: "before we got here, Miami was
nothing." That was the real surprise for all of the people I knew from
college who hailed from Dade, and went back after graduating. Of the dozens
I was close to, only two remain. Florida Crackers have fled South Florida
for real, tangible reasons, you know. It isn't their imagination.
> According to some of my "Anglo" friends, it's OK to celebrate St.
Patrick's
> Day and fly Irish flags (sans Old Glory even) dress in green and revel in
> their Celtic roots, but it's disrespectful of me to fly the Cuban flag on
El
> 20 de Mayo, or to speak Spanish around them.
It is what it is. I find wearing green on St. Patty's day comical and
benign, but I have a visceral reaction to celebrations of Cuban holidays.
Don't even get me started about the gasket I'm going to blow when my little
girl comes home with stuff about Jose Marti before she's gotten a tight grip
on the full course in lessons our founding fathers taught. (That is if we
are still here when she gets to school age...our plan is to follow our
friends and get the heck back to America.)
I was in our pediatrician's waiting room last Wednesday. There were two
women, each with two children, speaking in spanish. They went on and on and
on for about 15 minutes. Then, when one of the women was called in with her
kids, she responded to the nurse in perfect, unaccented english. The other
immediately turned to my wife and I and tried to start a conversation, also
in perfect, unaccented english. I would not even make eye contact with
her...I didn't deem someone who could be so rude worthy of any sort of
acknowledgement. Sorry, but from a cultural standpoint, both women were
incredibly rude. That's my opinion and a prevalent one amongst those who
grew up here, I'm sure.
And let me tell you, it is not Americans who need to examine and change
their opinions about this. We aren't the "guests" in this stupid folly our
leaders have allowed to propigate.
> ( the expression "Mind your own
> business" is intrinsically American, but since "they", in their self
> centered arrogance seem to think that "we" are *always* talking about
them,
> and in "their" seeming fear of anyone with hair a shade darker than theirs
> they assume that we must be plotting "against" them, "they" make it their
> business to try to control the language we speak.
For a gander at where the discontent with latter-day migrant behavior
arises, I'd suggest a read of the Federalist Papers. Pay particular
attention to the first five. Scrutinize number two with a magnifier.
Memorize paragraphs six and seven. Then, perhaps, you'll have a sense of
from whence the rightful outrage arises. Washington's Farewell Address is a
good source, too.
>
> The original (successful) colonists of this country (USA) spoke English.
It
> is the language of the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, and the laws
upon
> which this country was built. As such it is and should continue to be the
> official language of the country. A common unit of exchange for ideas is a
> necessary thing in any thriving society. But this doesn't mean that people
> who speak languages other than English don't share the dreams and ideals
> that should be in the heart of anyone calling themselves "American".
There's many a country mile between sharing "the same dreams and ideals" and
being eager to assimilate, as were immigrants of every generation prior to
the 1960s. Language, as our founders recognized, is the primary key. Since
there is never a one-to-one exact method for perfect translation of
terminology and meanings and nuances of words between languages, a culture
that allows more than one language to thrive will never reach its full
potential. It is a self-handicapping practice. Ask Canada about it.
>
> Mr. Kernel by his very "handle" (screen name) seeks to preserve the
heritage
> of the original settlers of this great land, and should be commended for
it.
> But he should also be reminded that any "kernel" that doesn't adapt to his
> changing environment and learn to deal positively with new situations is
> doomed to crash.
I'm well aware of the inevitablity of change, and the benefit of it.
However, it is patently absurd for any nation or culture to allow aliens to
come in and dictate which changes are acceptable, which are intolerable and
which are negotiable. In nature, it is never the job of the host to adapt.
Hosts that attempt to do so are often rendered extinct. For instance, the
Everglades will cease to be "the Everglades" if it "adapts" to the Melaluca.
We must intervene to prevent this unique ecosystem from "adapting to its
changing environment" imposed by alien vegetation or it will die. America
will cease to be "America" if multiculturalism becomes the true standard
rather than what it is...a recent and hopefully short-lived social
construct. We must intervene to prevent this unique culture from "adapting
to its changing environment" imposed by alien guests or it will die. My
ancestors accomplishments will have been completely in vain.
That is from whence my sense of being most offended springs.
> The original English settlers of the London Company died of starvation and
> exposure. This went on for several years, each new load of would be
> colonists perishing until they sent some Polish craftsmen along to make
sure
> the not so hardy English colonial kernel would survive the American
winter.
> During Thanksgiving, Americans thank God and the Indians for giving them
> turkey, but they forgot to thank the Poles. (and proceeded to invent
Polish
> jokes, which aren't anywhere as funny as their Cuban jokes, though the
jokes
> about Cuban rafters and sharks aren't funny at all.)
Eight Dutchmen and Poles, to be exact. You're painting the English with a
broad brush if that is some sort of hint that they were incapable.
>
> America is a nation of immigrants.
Ahhh...the primary American fallacy of our times. We are a nation of
Americans. Americans fought for and won independence and never has more
than 14.8% of our population been of foreign birth. On average, the number
of foreigners here has been less than 7%...hardly a significant number,
actually. I really don't like Emma Lazarus for bastardizing the dreams and
ideals set in motion by our founders.
> That one person or another can trace his
> "American" family roots a dozen generations back, only tells me that said
> person had an adventurer or political or economic refugee in their family
a
> dozen generations back.
> As I have mentioned, one of my ancestors came to America in 1702. He
didn't
> like it. Too many turkeys.
Prior to the immigration reforms of 1965, and greatly assisted by the huge
government teat erected by the "Great Society," one quarter to one third of
those who migrated to America left. Too many unwilling to assimilate.
Almost everyone who comes here today stays. That's just dumb.
>
> I agree with Mr. Kernel about the need to control illegal immigration, but
> not because it "waters down" "American" racial/ethnic/cultural stock or
> dilutes the racial purity of Uncle Sam. I have a hard time pin pointing
> which racial stock or precisely what ethnic group Uncle Sam belongs in.
> Santa Claus is white, I know that. But he could be a white Spanish guy,
and
> Uncle Sam looks Jewish (Samuel..long nose, beady eyes..)
You miss the mark if you think I'm talking about some sort of "cultural
stock." I'm talking about handed-down and learned mores, ethics, values,
religion...and all the things that make up culture. America has always had
so few foreigners, with long periods of near zero migration between brief
waves of influx. This allowed for newcomers to participate through
assimilation into a very narrowly diverse set of cultural acceptibilities.
That isn't happening now...the influx is too great for the foundation to
support it. And some are trying to sell us on the false notion that our
acceptance of "diversity" means we have to forego borders and give away our
heritage. Balderdash!
>
> My problem with immigration is that while they're sending Cuban rafters
back
> to Cuba ( a communist country ruled by an admitted enemy of America)
they're
> letting undocumented Mexicans stay. While would be Cuban exiles wait for
> visas, Arab terrorists run the 7-11s and study in our aviation schools.
> While my people get eaten by sharks trying to make it to freedom ( a
freedom
> that they have to sneak into like a thief to dry ground), the local
> department stores are run by Colombians who moonlight as drug dealers and
> turn single family homes into 4 or 5 unit apartment buildings and bring
> their dogs to shit in front of my house, and by Haitians that condemn
> immigration policy towards legitimately political Cuban refugees while
they
> shit in the streets and turn single family homes into 10 or 15 unit
solares.
I'm of the strongest belief that we need a moratorium exactly like the one
we enacted and implemented in 1924. We need a forty-year break from
newcomers...all of them.
> I agree with Mr. Kernel, immigrants to this (and any) country should be
> prepared to assimilate.
> What many folks like Mr. Kernel fail to realize is that most
Cuban-Americans
> haven't been given the opportunity to consider whether or not we want to
> immigrate.
I believed that about Cuban arrivals for a long time. But today, I see it
as an economic choice rather than a political necessity. Do you know how
fast Castro would fall if we either ended the blockade or prohibited Dade
residents from sending money to Cuba? We're kind of stuck in the middle and
an uneasy balance seems to have been reached. We either need to enable
capitalism to do its magic like we did with the Soviets, or we need to make
poverty more oppressive than Castro. Either way, he's gone pretty fast.
However, if we were to take the route of prohibiting any cash transfers to
Cuba, we'd need the whole navy patroling the straights. I'm a fan of
lifting the embargo.
> It's not like we decided to come live here because we like South
> Beach better than Varadero or Crandon Park over La Concha. We're not here
> because American factories pay better. It's not just because there is no
> food in Cuba, it's because we couldn't be having this conversation in
Cuba,
> it's because Fidel would have put Pedro to the firing squad by now and I'd
> be doing cadena perpetua for telling it like it is.
> If Cuba were a free country, then we would truly have the choice to be
> immigrants. As long as Cuba is a communist dictatorship Cuban-Americans
will
> continue to be very hyphenated. We will learn English because we have to
(if
> and when), we will become citizens because it makes life easier when it
> comes to getting student loans and mortgages. The American-Cuban children
we
> bear will continue to learn Spanish before they learn English, and will
> continue to think of themselves as Cuban ( their American friends will
> always remind them, if we ever let them forget)
Ok. But I still have reservations about y'all actually being able to put
anything lasting and free together on your island...that is unless you make
sure your leaders have no ties to any prior regime or the one created in
absentia in Miami by the CIA in 1960.
> In Cuba the press is censored, news, books, periodicals. The State runs
all
> the media and jams other broadcasts. The food you eat is controlled not
only
> by your means and it's availability, but rationed by the State.
> Tourist attractions and hotels are off limits to the general population.
> Children belong not to their families, but to the State. and on and on...
> Pedro, you really should write more in English, perhaps our friends like
Mr.
> Kernel would realize that we're not just economic refugees. Not just light
> skinned (in most cases) Haitians.
I'm pretty up on what is going on in Cuba. I just differ in opinion from
you about what it all means. Just like you differ from me in opinion about
things American.
>
> Which reminds me, If you ask an American Negro the question: "What are
> you?", the answer in most cases wouldn't be "American", it would be
"Black"
> or "Afro-American" or whatever is in vogue. If you ask a Cuban Negro the
> same question, the answer (in most cases) would be "Cuban"...regardless of
> racism or not. What does that tell you?
> It tells me that no insult or disrespect is meant toward folks like Mr.
> Kernel (who I'm sure could be a good friend) by our Cubanismo, it's just
> that the Salsa in our blood isn't easily diluted or assimilated. It brings
> the special flavor of ajo y naranja agria, the pungent aroma of café and
> tabaco, the sweet taste of guarapo and intoxicating quality of ron and
agua
> ardiente to any mix.
I have several friends who are Americans from Cuba that I'm sure would be
much in agreement with you. But they'd also agree with me that there is an
element, perhaps more recent and too much indoctrinated by a socialist
mindset, that does a great injustice to Cubans. There's just a certain
overt disrespect I see that is off-putting.
>
> I love Rock & Roll, but even the white folks (who ever they may be) know
> that you can't dance to it.
> So Mr. Kernel, when I offer you a "Rosa Blanca" and you condemn it's
thorns
> rather than appreciate it's fragrance and the beauty of it's petals, when
> you question it's worthiness to be planted in your soil that it not spoil
> the garden....I wonder if it's not you that doesn't "get it"
I'm really just not convinced that it is roses instead of melaluca.
>
> By the way, I'm sorry that your Cuban-American girlfriend was embarrassed
by
> the whole Elian thing. As I mentioned (sort of), there but for the Grace
of
> God go I. It is my opinion that the boy deserved to stay in the United
> States. If the legality of his staying was in question, the matter should
> have been resolved in a court of Family Law, not by Ms Reno and the
> Department of Immigration or President Horny. As Americans, the boy's
Miami
> family had the right to exhaust legal remedy, and that right was taken
from
> them at gun point by Federal Storm Troopers.
We're not going to agree on this one. It just can't happen.
> As Cuban friends and neighbors, the Cuban-American community had every
right
> to protest and demonstrate against the US government, and Thomas Jefferson
> himself would have commended the restraint which was demonstrated even in
> our use of civil disobedience.
> It's too bad the rest of the community was inconvenienced by the traffic
and
> the dump trucks on the highway, that's what civil disobedience is about,
and
> many other minorities have demonstrated precedence in it's use. We thought
a
> boy's future was important enough to raise a fuzz.
>
> Many "Americans" that I know, even folks who used to burn the US flag in
the
> sixties when they did drugs and had long hair, got real upset about
> Cuban-Americans flying Old Glory upside down, "such disrespect from quests
> in this country, don't they get it?" they said.
We kind of felt like we would if our house guests had just decided to start
rearranging the furniture without our permission...then took our flag off
the flagpole and started parading around our yard with a foreign one.
That's the way we felt. It has nothing to do with right or wrong. You
heaped a bunch of scorn upon yourselves and weakened your standing...perhaps
permanently.
> Yup, we got it. We saw that America was kissing up to an enemy tyrant. We
> saw that the law was being flagrantly violated by those sworn to protect
it,
> and the ideals of American dignity were being thrown out the window by
> perverts that somehow got in control of America and sold it out to her
> enemies. So we put up an international distress call, the flag upside
down.
> It was out of respect and dedication to the ideals on which this Great
> Nation was founded that we flew it upside down. It was done by
> Cuban-American citizens who in many cases know more about America, her
> government, and her Constitution than the American rednecks who went out
> burning Cuban flags and chanting "No more Cubans" in reaction.
Now now...
> Some were upset about the thousands of Cuban-Americans carrying little
Cuban
> flags marching on eight street. We didn't have American flags because the
> point was to show just how many people were suddenly being disenfranchised
> from the community which wants us to melt into it's pot. All
Cuban-Americans
> were slapped in the face by Janet Reno, we were told that it didn't matter
> that we've spent 40 years which feels like hundreds becoming Americans
while
> we waited for Castro to die or our country to be liberated, that we didn't
> understand the law, as though our English was so bad that our lawyers
didn't
> understand the Constitution or State Statutes. We were shown by our
American
> friends that *you* didn't "get" why Cubans risk the jaws of sharks and
> drowning, that while you drank our café and admired our women's tight
jeans
> you made no attempt at understanding our humanity.
In the great words of Jackie Gleason from Smokey and the Bandit: "What we
have here is a total failure to communicate." It probably would be helpful
if we all fluently spoke the same language, eh?
> See, I think the whole Elian affair was embarrassing also. It was truly
> shameful the way the media turned a boy's plight into a circus, and the
way
> that most of "white"America reacted with either passionate hostility or
> ignorant apathy to not only Elian, but to the fate of Cuban-American
exiles
> as a whole.
More of the former, and a bit of the latter. It probably becomes the
inverse the farther away, thus less familiar with the mindsets, you get.
> At least everyone showed their colors. As for Mr. Kernel's embarrassed
> former girlfriend, I know people like her. They're the ones with last
names
> like Perez and Rodriguez who act offended if you speak Spanish to them or
> around them, the ones that dye their hair blonde, wear blue contacts, and
go
> out only with Aryan men. Arrepentida.
She married a Jewban and split. I can't say that I blame her in the least.
Even if it were only to make sure her kids don't go to school in this sewer,
she made the right choice.
>
>
> respectfully,
>
> baba dadá
>
>
> Pssst...Viva Cuba Libre! (and I don't mean rum and coke...unless you add
> yerba buena)
I'm understanding you, but not inclined to be persuaded.
Have a great one!
Baba Dadá
I'm sure you won't be pesuaded, I'm really not trying to, I was responding
to Pedro.
I've grown up having this argument with folks like you. Perhaps I over
generalize for the sake of argument or exposition, but so do you.
See, I've been called a "spick" and beaten by my gracious hosts, and this
was back when even people like you might agree we were really refugees. I've
heard all the Cuban jokes and had the arguments with people more eloquent
and passionate than you. I've known many people who have left Miami and
didn't mince words or play politically correct as to why. It had nothing to
do with Patriotism, it was all about racism.
Many Americans are under the impression that Cubans are jungle bunnies, and
here we had a bunch of intelligent hard working bunnies suddenly moving in,
so like good Patriots..you all ran away to North Carolina.
Dade County WAS a swamp with a beach before Cuban labor and investment
turned into a thriving metropolis. You can fool some of your readers into
believing otherwise, but I've been here since 1962 and can tell you there
was little but sawgrass west of 57 AVE.
I'll dig out my copy of the Federalist Papers for my edification, but you
can be sure our disagreement doesn't stem from lack of understanding or
fluency on my part. Could it be unwillingness to understand on yours?
Americans fought people just like them for their independence, they were
assisted by French troops who hated the British. It wasn't Spanish gold that
got George out of a jam, it was jewelry and gold donated by Cuban women,
women who loved liberty and anxiously expected a free America to reciprocate
and help Cubans throw off the Spanish yoke.
You condemn Cuba for not having much success at Democracy in it's short
history of independence, but do you condemn the CIA or American bankers for
meddling in Cuba's affairs?
America has always been a land of immigrants, exiles came here for
religious, political, and economic reasons, and still do. You can spew
numbers until you're blue in the face (shouldn't take a pasty white boy too
long), but the fact remains that America is full of Irish (Catholic and
Protestant), Italians, Poles, Jews, Germans, the descendants of African
slaves, Chinese, Japanese, etc...most of these ethnic groups haven't
assimilated like you would have us believe, they live congregated in
"neighborhoods" where they feel safe from the would be night riders who pay
lip service to "All men are created equal" until it's dark enough to burn
crosses in their yards.
No, I'm not painting the original English settlers as inferior, but the fact
is that they kept succumbing to America's winters until a handful of
Dutchmen and Poles came over with them.
You could enact a moratorium on immigration, I'd be right there with
you...but guess what? It wouldn't work because the "kernel" has
"degenerated" into a lazy bunch who can't or refuse to do manual labor.
You can blame American society's woes on immigrants, and in the case of
Miami you'd be partly correct, but I think you'd be more precise in your
assessment of blame if you'd investigate just who it is that constantly
violates Our Constitution. Might it be the folks that brought you WACO and
Ruby Ridge?
When you say that "Americans" considered the Elian episode an insult by
guests to their hosts, I can only laugh at you (not with you). Get over it!
I (and lots of other Cubans) have been here at least one generation during
which time we have paid our dues. We own the land, the factories, the
Republican party (locally), we learned American style corruption from good
old boys like you and Mr. Warshaw. We aren't anybody's guests anymore, we
ARE AMERICANS.
Americans (the type you mean) are the most culturally bankrupt bunch on the
planet, so don't talk to me about your morés and values while your mothers
die alone in nursing homes and native American Indians bemoan the Trail of
Broken Treaties (can't blame that shit on me, I love seminoles) and the
families of former slaves still haven't been given their acre and a
mule.(wasn't here for that either).
Was Tricky Dick Cuban? Is Bill Clinton secretly hispanic? Did some Cuban guy
tell Jeb to tell Dubya to make up a story about WMD?
Was Hoover (FBI) in cohoots with Batista or Machado during the un-American
activities witch hunt?
Did you know that the most highly decorated veteran of the Vietnam war(?)
was a Cuban Hyphenated?
No?
I agree with you that we have too much immigration, especially given the
shaky state of our economy. But it's not some Cuban guy running the Fed and
deciding what the interest rates will be. I agree with you that there is too
much ethnic diversity in Miami for there to be any sense of community or
cohesive civic progress. But it's not the Cubans that are coming in droves
from non communist countries, and I don't run the Department of Immigration
(at least, not yet). So bitch about some other immigrants and leave us
American Cubans alone.
Call us Maleleucas if you will, but I'll still offer you a White Rose and
buy you a café at La Esquina de Tejas (they make great sandwiches there) if
you ever remember that it was courage in the face of adversity and not you
kernel genes that made America great, and risk the trip into Dade...though I
hardly get down that way...too many Nicaraguans.
Viva Cuba Libre!
Sincerely,
baba the American
ps. Yeah man, get your little girl away from this dump...my son is awfully
cute..........
Baba Dadá
degenerate the English language, be advised I have sticky keyboard
syndrome...damn Mexican keyboard.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
peace,
baba
americankernel
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<snip>
> Kernel,
> I'm sure you won't be pesuaded, I'm really not trying to, I was responding
> to Pedro.
> I've grown up having this argument with folks like you. Perhaps I over
> generalize for the sake of argument or exposition, but so do you.
> See, I've been called a "spick" and beaten by my gracious hosts, and this
> was back when even people like you might agree we were really refugees.
I've
> heard all the Cuban jokes and had the arguments with people more eloquent
> and passionate than you. I've known many people who have left Miami and
> didn't mince words or play politically correct as to why. It had nothing
to
> do with Patriotism, it was all about racism.
Perhaps "culturism," to coin a term. Regardless, I concur with anyone who
wishes to remove their family from such a place as Miami has become. This
is especially so for anyone who holds dear the notion that American
communities "should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous and
alien sovereignties." Of course, there are those who seem to get a rush out
of the inappropriate labeling of those who give up their homesteads and
flee. It seems to usually flow readily from the lips of those who are most
occupied in the process of burying the prevalent culture.
> Many Americans are under the impression that Cubans are jungle bunnies,
and
> here we had a bunch of intelligent hard working bunnies suddenly moving
in,
> so like good Patriots..you all ran away to North Carolina.
Now...THAT's a new one on me. "Jungle Bunnies?" No, I'd never heard that.
I've heard plenty about dead folks voting...that's not a tribal trait. Read
Joan Didion's book "Miami" and you'll get a real grip on why your community
became so cloistered that eventually there was nobody left for Crackers to
do business with. By the way, they moved to Ocala...the Mexicans are moving
to North Carolina.
> Dade County WAS a swamp with a beach before Cuban labor and investment
> turned into a thriving metropolis. You can fool some of your readers into
> believing otherwise, but I've been here since 1962 and can tell you there
> was little but sawgrass west of 57 AVE.
I came here in 1960. In Broward, there was very little west of Powerline
Road, but today we don't go running around saying "before the Hoosiers and
New Yorkers got here, this place was nothing." I take this comment that I
heard so frequently to be a direct and pointed insult that the community,
and my culture, was of no value. I've had it yelled in my face with venom
and vitriol...usually followed by some comment about how "anglos" didn't do
anything with this place. It is the one statement that stands out above all
others I heard when I lived there.
On the other hand, I'm more that certain that this area would have grown
into a thriving American metropolis, with no LBA and no payola-permitted
Country Walk homes, had Cubans been able to govern themselves and actually
build a free nation. From a development standpoint, the build-out was
inevitable because we have water, plenty of it. Demographers will tell you
that, first and foremost, a place with ample water is where people will
always go.
> I'll dig out my copy of the Federalist Papers for my edification, but you
> can be sure our disagreement doesn't stem from lack of understanding or
> fluency on my part. Could it be unwillingness to understand on yours?
I've done all of the "trying to understand" that I can stand. All I've
really seen in response is disrespect. I've known the corrupt ones...too
many of them. I've watched my region, then my county, my city and my
neighborhood become "not America." Assimilation cannot occur when there is
nobody left to pass on the stories, history and cultural cues to newcomers.
>
> Americans fought people just like them for their independence, they were
> assisted by French troops who hated the British. It wasn't Spanish gold
that
> got George out of a jam, it was jewelry and gold donated by Cuban women,
> women who loved liberty and anxiously expected a free America to
reciprocate
> and help Cubans throw off the Spanish yoke.
> You condemn Cuba for not having much success at Democracy in it's short
> history of independence, but do you condemn the CIA or American bankers
for
> meddling in Cuba's affairs?
Didion's book gives a pretty complete indictment of all involved. The port
of Miami, in the early 60's, was the largest unofficial military base in the
world. I know you read some of my letters to Katie. I said that America
can be wrong...that was a HUGE one. The Bay of Pigs was inexcusable, and so
was setting up a power base for those who founded CANF. In my opinion, that
one thing has done more to inhibit your ability to reclaim Cuba than any
other.
>
> America has always been a land of immigrants, exiles came here for
> religious, political, and economic reasons, and still do. You can spew
> numbers until you're blue in the face (shouldn't take a pasty white boy
too
> long), but the fact remains that America is full of Irish (Catholic and
> Protestant), Italians, Poles, Jews, Germans, the descendants of African
> slaves, Chinese, Japanese, etc...most of these ethnic groups haven't
> assimilated like you would have us believe, they live congregated in
> "neighborhoods" where they feel safe from the would be night riders who
pay
> lip service to "All men are created equal" until it's dark enough to burn
> crosses in their yards.
Benjamin Franklin - 3rd Generation American
John Adams - 4th Generation American
John Quincy Adams - 5th Generation American
George Washington - 4th Generation American
Thomas Jefferson - 4th Generation American
Alexander Hamilton - Immigrant born to an American mother
That's NOT the makings of a land of immigrants. If you want to be nitpicky
and carry that argument to its logical extreme, every nation is a land of
immigrants. Every nation. There is a reason why the first five Federalist
Papers were so myopically focused. There was grave concern that the
Articles of Confederation would not inhibit states from entering into
alliances with foreign entities which would tear the nation apart by
undermining the cultural foundation that had been created by "Providence."
Our founders told the people that their God had ordained this nation,
including its culture and the trappings that accompany it. That was a key
basis for selling it to the several states; without the sales pitch, America
would have never been much at all. Show me any true "land of immigrants,"
and I'll show you a place that has no culture at all. It is contentious and
balkanized. You've been sold the ACLU approved, Emma Lazarus playbook. It
is getting a little rough around the edges, and it stinks to high heavens
from all the excrement that has passed through it over the years.
> No, I'm not painting the original English settlers as inferior, but the
fact
> is that they kept succumbing to America's winters until a handful of
> Dutchmen and Poles came over with them.
So, incidents that coincide are slightly suggestive proof of causation? Oh
my!
> You could enact a moratorium on immigration, I'd be right there with
> you...but guess what? It wouldn't work because the "kernel" has
> "degenerated" into a lazy bunch who can't or refuse to do manual labor.
> You can blame American society's woes on immigrants, and in the case of
> Miami you'd be partly correct, but I think you'd be more precise in your
> assessment of blame if you'd investigate just who it is that constantly
> violates Our Constitution. Might it be the folks that brought you WACO and
> Ruby Ridge?
Surely you noticed on my site that I take no prisoners when it comes to
leadership being culpable. Corporatists suck...so do Globalists.
> When you say that "Americans" considered the Elian episode an insult by
> guests to their hosts, I can only laugh at you (not with you). Get over
it!
> I (and lots of other Cubans) have been here at least one generation during
> which time we have paid our dues. We own the land, the factories, the
> Republican party (locally), we learned American style corruption from good
> old boys like you and Mr. Warshaw. We aren't anybody's guests anymore, we
> ARE AMERICANS.
Yeah, just like those hokey "I am an American" commercials. We aren't
buying it, at least those of us grounded history that hasn't been run
through the PBS filters aren''.
> Americans (the type you mean) are the most culturally bankrupt bunch on
the
> planet, so don't talk to me about your morés and values while your mothers
> die alone in nursing homes and native American Indians bemoan the Trail of
> Broken Treaties (can't blame that shit on me, I love seminoles) and the
> families of former slaves still haven't been given their acre and a
> mule.(wasn't here for that either).
Read my Twiddles story. I think that is what you are talking about.
>
> Was Tricky Dick Cuban?
No, but his plumbers were.
Is Bill Clinton secretly hispanic?
No, he's secretly black.
Did some Cuban guy
> tell Jeb to tell Dubya to make up a story about WMD?
Well, something so silly might have been thought up over at Mas-Tec.
> Was Hoover (FBI) in cohoots with Batista or Machado during the un-American
> activities witch hunt?
I just can't wait for Ann Coulter's new book...
>
> Did you know that the most highly decorated veteran of the Vietnam war(?)
> was a Cuban Hyphenated?
No, tell me the heresay...
>
> No?
>
> I agree with you that we have too much immigration, especially given the
> shaky state of our economy. But it's not some Cuban guy running the Fed
and
> deciding what the interest rates will be. I agree with you that there is
too
> much ethnic diversity in Miami for there to be any sense of community or
> cohesive civic progress. But it's not the Cubans that are coming in droves
> from non communist countries, and I don't run the Department of
Immigration
> (at least, not yet). So bitch about some other immigrants and leave us
> American Cubans alone.
I don't bitch just about Cubans. I'm an equal opportunity bitcher. But it
does just so happen that I have the most personal experience with Cubans and
a lot of it has been most positive. However, the negatives, coupled with
the disrespect for Americans and the almost innate corruption make y'all
easy targets. That's why the reaction from points north was so immediate
and visceral when you started whining about Elian.
>
> Call us Maleleucas if you will, but I'll still offer you a White Rose and
> buy you a café at La Esquina de Tejas (they make great sandwiches there)
if
> you ever remember that it was courage in the face of adversity and not you
> kernel genes that made America great, and risk the trip into Dade...though
I
> hardly get down that way...too many Nicaraguans.
Yes, I remember the Cuban sandwiches are great there. I've had a few bad
ones, mostly here in Broward. Ever have really stale Cuban bread cut the
roof of your mouth? Ouch! Maybe I'll accept that rose. But I'll warn you,
melalucas make me sneeze.
Are you saying that the area by the OB is now all Nicaraguan? In just 10
years...dang.
>
>
> Viva Cuba Libre!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> baba the American
>
> ps. Yeah man, get your little girl away from this dump...my son is awfully
> cute..........
Hey, she's only nine months old! LOL
americankernel
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> > > > Sr. Martori,
<snip>
> Before you go accusing me of not being able to spell and helping to
> degenerate the English language, be advised I have sticky keyboard
> syndrome...damn Mexican keyboard.
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>
> peace,
>
> baba
>
>
Mexican keyboard? Stopped up? There's a really bad joke in there
somewhere.
Maybe some Mexamucil will loosen it up for ya...
--
Baba Dadá
The whole problem with your perspective is that you're overwhelmed by your
environment. There ARE too many people who are culturally different than you
in your immediate vicinity. You are suffering from culture shock overkill.
If only you could distance yourself a little you might see that the problem
isn't actually the Cubans or the what have yous. The Cubans etc. are a
symptom of something else...the corruption isn't a "Cuban" thing, Cubans
aren't the cause, like you we are victims of something else, we are the
consequence of something else...
You're right, everybody moves around and eventually settles someplace and
gets together with people of like minds. In America's case it was a bunch of
pasty white boys ( ;-) with wigs. The guys who said: "All men are created
equal".
Their main concern was that they could do their thing without being taxed by
other pasty white boys, and that no foreign power or native power should
ever be in a position to control their freedom or tax them.
This doesn't mean that these guys invented Democracy or that they were
Greek...they weren't Roman either though the organization of the government
they created might lead you to believe so.
These guys all claimed that it was the will of a Jewish God and providence
to establish a new nation in America, under God, will liberty and justice
for all, where they could freely engage in the pursuit of property.
These guys were rather open minded about who they invited over for dinner as
long as it wasn't the negro slaves and their tea didn't get messed with.
Now, somebody is messing with the tea and blaming it on the hired help.
You look around and all you see is coffee colored people so you figure they
must've messed with your tea.
The coffee people maybe stole some mangoes off your tree, but they didn't
mess with your tea.
Guess who's coming to dinner?
Laws have been passed by pasty white boys (twig boys...) making it mandatory
to have all these different folks come over for dinner and it seems to you
that they're all getting a free lunch. They're not. Nothing is Free
anymore..just seems that way.
Ask one of your Cuban friends to translate ( perhaps I don't credit you and
you read Spanish) this for you:
Cultivo Una Rosa Blanca
Por Jose Marti
Cultivo una rosa blanca
En julio como en enero,
Para el amigo sincero
Que me da su mano franca.
Y para el cruel que me arranca
El corazon con que vivo,
Cardo ni ortiga cultivo,
Cultivo una rosa blanca
Now about Melaleucas. Melaleucas alternifolia or Australian "tea tree"
yields an essential oil that is recognized as one of nature's most effective
and versatile healers...They're taking over the swamp and ruining the
ecosystem. But maybe the spread of melaleucas is a stepping stone towards a
natural change intended by providence...Maybe tea tree oil heals pox.
In any case, you can resist the melaleucas or not, but it's not their fault
they're here. You can develop a symbiotic relationship with them and use
their medicine, or you can run from them. Resistance is futile. Adaptation
is the rule of evolution. Assimilation is a symbiotic procedure. Pure as you
might wish your kernel, it must interact and grow or stagnate and become
obsolete.
Respeta para que te respeten.
It's not malicious to call a spade a spade. I'm certainly not trying to ruin
your national purity and have nothing to gain by insulting anyone. They went
to North Carolina, Georgia, and around Ocala. Too many hippies in Ocala.
Leesburg.
They didn't leave because of multi-culturalism, they plain just didn't like
Cubans. In many cases, expensive American labor was displaced by cheaper
Cuban labor and affirmative action quotas. The system screwed the people, so
rather than compete and adapt and evolve, they split.
Then they phoned home about all the cheap land and homes and no Cubans, and
the rest of the bigots split.
"And will the last native American (sic) remember to take the flag...."
I got news for you, it's *my* flag now. Don't try to take it or my other
Bandera, Don't Tread on Me.
Dade County grew much faster than the surrounding communities because of
Cuban labor, business, building. Cubans did it cheaper, faster, and better
(..well). Investors came because of the Cubans and Miami grew. Then NewYork
went broke and lots New Yorkers moved down and spoiled things. Its their
fault.
I don't want to be too long winded so I won't go into just how welcome y'all
made us feel as guests in your home this time. Suffice it to say that y'all
aren't all that gracious as hosts go, and if you've never been a Cuban
refugee boy trying to grow up in a town where most of the people thought you
were akin to a dog, where you couldn't join the boy scouts because you
weren't a citizen, where gangs of redneck kids beat up on lone Cuban boys
and so did cops (to be fair, I got beat up by some Puerto Rican kids once
and another time some black kids tried to knock me of my 10 speed in the
Grove, ) where even 40 years later still has to defend his humanity, his
understanding of basic concepts, and his right to call himself an American.
My boy is one year old....."We are here for Your Women"
Respectfully,
baba
Viva Cuba Libre!
Ps. You're a politician, put your money in your mouth and run for office on
your "kernel" platform...that should be phun.
malanga
<america...@msn.com> wrote:
> Oh come on. I've literally lived Dade politics in a very up-close manner.
> As a consultant, I was a part of every single state house and senate race
> there (and in Broward and Palm Beach, too) between 1988 and 1992. I've had
> more lunches at La Esquina de Tejas and Centro Vasco with candidates and
> elected officials than I could ever count. It just so happens that those
> meetings included an inordinate percentage of politicos who were later
> indicted, convicted or who fled to avoid prosecution. My region was the
> tri-county. I'll be the first to admit that my experience-driven opinion
> remains a bit skewed; I only personally know two other people in leadership
> positions who have ever been in any significant trouble with the law. Miami
> seems to make corruption into some bizarre sport. Ricky Ricardo? No.
> Banana Republic? Si!
>
I wonder sir, since you seem to be under the impression that this corruption
thing is a product of recent immigrants to Miami-Dade....have you ever come
across any mention of the names Milander, Clark, Kennedy?
Just asking, since well, you did say "you've lived Dade politics in a very
up-close manner", and well, the tales that circulate about these names, not
to mention items in the public record, are rather legendary.
Themezas
Themezas.
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americankernel
Of course and absolutely there is no Cuban cultural claim to some sort of
award for being the most corrupt. As they say, it is power that corrupts.
But I do wonder this: of all the many hundreds of politicians and political
activists I've known and called "friend" these last 20 years, how come the
only ones that are currently in prison, or on the lam, are from Miami? Of
course, I also realize that were it not for my propensity to avoid the most
liberal of our Broward politicos like the plague, I'd have some "friends" up
here who are doing time. No matter, it would be hard for even the most
objective outsider's perception of a culture not to be colored after
witnessing "leaders" like Al Gutman (whom I once considered a good friend)
being convicted for Medicare fraud, or Carlos Valdez (with whom I sweated
through a one-vote-margin election) being caught on tape committing petty
vandalism, or Recaray (from whom we got checks for the Hawkins campaign)
being successful in absconding with the big bucks. Once the perception is
colored, it becomes almost natural to expect others like Illeana to sit
there and lie through her teeth on TV last summer about the details of an
amnesty bill. She only served to affirm perceptions by her deceptions.
The perceptions are only further enriched when the community serves up the
likes of Joe Carollo and Xavier Suarez for Mayor. It gets cemented into
broader American psyches when it is reported that Miami is "officially" the
poorest city in America today. I'm a marketer and PR guy by profession.
I'd advise any group with a "brand identity" that is so tenuous with the
people you depend being able to manipulate (the greater American citizenry)
to make some changes, and pronto. That inordinate clout you have in
Washington is on as shaky ground as it has been in 40 years. It probably
would be better if your corruptions didn't seem so consistently high-level,
and you can't keep having these nationally televised displays that,
regardless of how y'all feel about them, that look pretty anti-American to
Joe Lunchbucket in Nebraska.
>
> Just asking, since well, you did say "you've lived Dade politics in a very
> up-close manner", and well, the tales that circulate about these names,
not
> to mention items in the public record, are rather legendary.
>
The other part to this equation is that my experience with Dade politics
began in 1985 when I was a pipsqueak working for La Senadora Paula Hawkins.
While I could never prove it because I don't speak spanish, I was pretty
quickly convinced that a great deal of the work that went on in that office
was assisting illegals with fraudulent (or at least highly suspect)
paperwork. I'll more than readily admit that the experience colored my
perception of everything that came after...of course, it was during that
time that I met Mas, and Recaray and a host of others whom I consider today
to have been most nefarious.
Perception is a funny thing; it can be shaped only by experience. At a
personal level with Cubans, mine has been, on the balance, positive...but at
the group and leadership levels it has been incredibly negative.
americankernel
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> > <snip>
> >
> Kernel Dude,
>
> The whole problem with your perspective is that you're overwhelmed by your
> environment. There ARE too many people who are culturally different than
you
> in your immediate vicinity. You are suffering from culture shock overkill.
> If only you could distance yourself a little you might see that the
problem
> isn't actually the Cubans or the what have yous. The Cubans etc. are a
> symptom of something else...the corruption isn't a "Cuban" thing, Cubans
> aren't the cause, like you we are victims of something else, we are the
> consequence of something else...
Agreed.
>
> You're right, everybody moves around and eventually settles someplace and
> gets together with people of like minds. In America's case it was a bunch
of
> pasty white boys ( ;-) with wigs. The guys who said: "All men are created
> equal".
> Their main concern was that they could do their thing without being taxed
by
> other pasty white boys, and that no foreign power or native power should
> ever be in a position to control their freedom or tax them.
> This doesn't mean that these guys invented Democracy or that they were
> Greek...they weren't Roman either though the organization of the
government
> they created might lead you to believe so.
Most of those who wrote the documents and sidebars that make up the ideals
educated Americans point to as forming the foundation of this nation
practically bathed in classical study of Greek and Roman politics.
> These guys all claimed that it was the will of a Jewish God and providence
> to establish a new nation in America, under God, will liberty and justice
> for all, where they could freely engage in the pursuit of property.
Our founders went specifically to the old testament for verbiage to "sell"
the Constitution to "the people" specifically because it provided the only
Biblical Christian sets of meanings that were not up for debate between the
various denominations. Carefully and smartly crafting words in the manner
they did in Philadelphia allowed each convention attendee to go back home
and proselytize about the need for the Constitution in the manner that best
overcame contrary predispositions specific to his community, his individual
state legislators...and his church congregation. Had there been an inkling
on the part of any significant number of citizens that they were being asked
to approve of the Constitution because it was made possible by the "God of
the Jews," the Confederation would not ever have been abandoned based on
such arguments. The "sell" was most definitely, and most thoroughly, done
in a manner to persuade those of the Christian faith, morality and mentality
without stepping on any particular "trip wire" that may have existed due to
denominational, even congregational, differences of opinion.
> These guys were rather open minded about who they invited over for dinner
as
> long as it wasn't the negro slaves and their tea didn't get messed with.
> Now, somebody is messing with the tea and blaming it on the hired help.
> You look around and all you see is coffee colored people so you figure
they
> must've messed with your tea.
> The coffee people maybe stole some mangoes off your tree, but they didn't
> mess with your tea.
They mess with my "tea" in the sense that my tax dollars support public
school ESOL, which I find to be an abomination that subverts assimilation.
And that's just the tip of the tea party.
>
> Guess who's coming to dinner?
>
> Laws have been passed by pasty white boys (twig boys...) making it
mandatory
> to have all these different folks come over for dinner and it seems to you
> that they're all getting a free lunch. They're not. Nothing is Free
> anymore..just seems that way.
Modern-day liberals and neocons are not representative of traditional
American values. Their loyalties lie elsewhere...in corporatism, in secular
humanism and other poisonous "isms" that are far too lengthy to count. I'm
never again going to be "guilted" into agreeing with anything that has a
hint of the stench of political correctness. PC is a culturally Marxist
construct that people who hate America use to induce guilt trips that boggle
rational thought by a large, but shrinking, segment of the American public.
>
> Ask one of your Cuban friends to translate ( perhaps I don't credit you
and
> you read Spanish) this for you:
>
> Cultivo Una Rosa Blanca
> Por Jose Marti
>
> Cultivo una rosa blanca
> En julio como en enero,
> Para el amigo sincero
> Que me da su mano franca.
> Y para el cruel que me arranca
> El corazon con que vivo,
> Cardo ni ortiga cultivo,
> Cultivo una rosa blanca
Actually, I went through a form of spanish immersion in first, second and
third grade at the Nova Schools when they were still very experiemental. I
was fairly fluent at eight, but I've lost it all. However, for some reason
I can still read spanish prose...mostly newspaper-level stuff... and get the
gist of it. This, however, is beyond me and Babelfish is of little
help...something almost biblical about turning the other cheek?
>
> Now about Melaleucas. Melaleucas alternifolia or Australian "tea tree"
> yields an essential oil that is recognized as one of nature's most
effective
> and versatile healers...They're taking over the swamp and ruining the
> ecosystem. But maybe the spread of melaleucas is a stepping stone towards
a
> natural change intended by providence...Maybe tea tree oil heals pox.
> In any case, you can resist the melaleucas or not, but it's not their
fault
> they're here. You can develop a symbiotic relationship with them and use
> their medicine, or you can run from them. Resistance is futile. Adaptation
> is the rule of evolution. Assimilation is a symbiotic procedure. Pure as
you
> might wish your kernel, it must interact and grow or stagnate and become
> obsolete.
No life form currently in the Everglades can develop a "symbiotic
relationship" with the Melaluca. They stand close together and choke all
other life out of the space they occupy. That's why we spend so much money
on eradication...and anything to stem the propigation of such pests is worth
the cost. Unchecked, the melaluca not only will kill the Everglades, but
also diminish the aquifer beneath it...making S. Florida less habitable,
more expensive and more contentious. That means more people will have to
flee to Ocala, which will cause the people of Ocala to flee to Lake City.
>
> Respeta para que te respeten.
That's not relevant when the ones expecting respect have barged into your
living room.
>
> It's not malicious to call a spade a spade. I'm certainly not trying to
ruin
> your national purity and have nothing to gain by insulting anyone. They
went
> to North Carolina, Georgia, and around Ocala. Too many hippies in Ocala.
> Leesburg.
Have you SEEN Ocala lately? Ten years from now, there will be no equestrian
ambiance left.
> They didn't leave because of multi-culturalism, they plain just didn't
like
> Cubans. In many cases, expensive American labor was displaced by cheaper
> Cuban labor and affirmative action quotas. The system screwed the people,
so
> rather than compete and adapt and evolve, they split.
> Then they phoned home about all the cheap land and homes and no Cubans,
and
> the rest of the bigots split.
> "And will the last native American (sic) remember to take the flag...."
The dislike was very pronounced in BOTH directions. Again, Ms. Didion did a
great job 'splainin why that was.
>
> I got news for you, it's *my* flag now. Don't try to take it or my other
> Bandera, Don't Tread on Me.
Fine, then don't disrepect it by having protests with it flying beneath the
Cuban flag...and point out the rudeness of the act to those who do. It
makes for very bad feelings when stuff like that makes the national evening
news.
>
> Dade County grew much faster than the surrounding communities because of
> Cuban labor, business, building. Cubans did it cheaper, faster, and better
> (..well). Investors came because of the Cubans and Miami grew. Then
NewYork
> went broke and lots New Yorkers moved down and spoiled things. Its their
> fault.
>
That's not inclusive of the whole picture. And Broward has grown nearly as
fast, percentage-wise. Of course, we didn't have any organization as
powerful as the LBA dictating the means and manner of growth to zoning
officials. But Broward still grew in stupid manners. I'm sure that there
are homes constructed nearly as poorly as Country Walk scattered throughout
Broward...Palm Beach, too.
> I don't want to be too long winded so I won't go into just how welcome
y'all
> made us feel as guests in your home this time. Suffice it to say that
y'all
> aren't all that gracious as hosts go, and if you've never been a Cuban
> refugee boy trying to grow up in a town where most of the people thought
you
> were akin to a dog, where you couldn't join the boy scouts because you
> weren't a citizen, where gangs of redneck kids beat up on lone Cuban boys
> and so did cops (to be fair, I got beat up by some Puerto Rican kids once
> and another time some black kids tried to knock me of my 10 speed in the
> Grove, ) where even 40 years later still has to defend his humanity, his
> understanding of basic concepts, and his right to call himself an
American.
Sorry you had bad experiences. They shaped your world view. As my
experiences have shaped my world view. The main difference as I see it is
that I had parents...older parents, my father would be 102...who made sure
that the stories, the history and the "truths" about this nation were passed
down. I intend to do the same for my children.
>
> My boy is one year old....."We are here for Your Women"
Now, you know that isn't going to happen. Not in my lifetime and not with
my daughter. Sorry, but I intend to do my utmost to see that her "heritage
compass" is just as finely tuned as her moral one.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> baba
>
> Viva Cuba Libre!
>
>
> Ps. You're a politician, put your money in your mouth and run for office
on
> your "kernel" platform...that should be phun.
That will come AFTER I've moved to North Carolina ;)
--
malanga
Let's see...because you don't have any friends in Chicago? Gary? Atlanta?
New Orleans? Washington, DC?.......
>Of
> course, I also realize that were it not for my propensity to avoid the
most
> liberal of our Broward politicos like the plague, I'd have some "friends"
up
> here who are doing time.
Why...of course!
> No matter, it would be hard for even the most
> objective outsider's perception of a culture not to be colored after
> witnessing "leaders" like Al Gutman (whom I once considered a good friend)
> being convicted for Medicare fraud, or Carlos Valdez (with whom I sweated
> through a one-vote-margin election) being caught on tape committing petty
> vandalism, or Recaray (from whom we got checks for the Hawkins campaign)
> being successful in absconding with the big bucks. Once the perception is
> colored, it becomes almost natural to expect others like Illeana to sit
> there and lie through her teeth on TV last summer about the details of an
> amnesty bill. She only served to affirm perceptions by her deceptions.
> The perceptions are only further enriched when the community serves up the
> likes of Joe Carollo and Xavier Suarez for Mayor.
But then again....we can't seem to avoid mentioning them there Hispanics by
name, and of course, exclusively.
Ah...sorry...but of course, it's all a matter of your non-propensity for
avoidance of such "sorts".
(Say...would this be the right moment to repeat those names...Milander,
Clark, Kennedy...and see if well...they ring a bell?)
>It gets cemented into
> broader American psyches when it is reported that Miami is "officially"
the
> poorest city in America today.
No doubt...everyone in the heartland has psychic issues over the fact that
Miami is poor, "officially"...in fact, I think, if you look closely, you'll
find billboards on I-90 reminding everyone that this is the case.
>I'm a marketer and PR guy by profession.
> I'd advise any group with a "brand identity" that is so tenuous with the
> people you depend being able to manipulate (the greater American
citizenry)
> to make some changes, and pronto.
Why sir...thank you for the professional advice.
Is there anything else you think we should do (when we are not stealing from
the public and being deceptive)?
>That inordinate clout you have in
> Washington is on as shaky ground as it has been in 40 years. It probably
> would be better if your corruptions didn't seem so consistently
high-level,
> and you can't keep having these nationally televised displays that,
> regardless of how y'all feel about them, that look pretty anti-American to
> Joe Lunchbucket in Nebraska.
You? Yours?
All us people? Those People? Them People?
Why sir...you really need to forgive all of us....you know how it is....we
all just be victims of our nature...I imaging you can't help but advice some
folks to go easy on dat watermelon and fried chicken they so like....and
....saints and begorrah, I bet you tell the sainted Irish they should be
more responsible about their drinking....and oy, vey, I bet you think those
Hebrews shouldn't be so agressive in business!
> > Just asking, since well, you did say "you've lived Dade politics in a
very
> > up-close manner", and well, the tales that circulate about these names,
> not
> > to mention items in the public record, are rather legendary.
> >
>
> The other part to this equation is that my experience with Dade politics
> began in 1985 when I was a pipsqueak working for La Senadora Paula
Hawkins.
> While I could never prove it because I don't speak spanish,
What?
From an expert, a "professional PR and marketing" type making a living in
Miami?
You mean all those Hispanic "friends" in that you know so well, "currently
in prison", "on the lam", with whom you've "sweated" and you haven't , even
by all that contact/osmosis/closeness, picked up *any* the lingo of "those
people"?
Say it ain't so, Schmoe! Say it ain't so?
> I was pretty
> quickly convinced that a great deal of the work that went on in that
office
> was assisting illegals with fraudulent (or at least highly suspect)
> paperwork. I'll more than readily admit that the experience colored my
> perception of everything that came after...of course, it was during that
> time that I met Mas, and Recaray and a host of others whom I consider
today
> to have been most nefarious.
My God, sir....you *are* impressive...I on the other hand, have only met
Menos and el Recar*ey*y de las Fritas!
I bet you've even met Batista, Celia Cruz, Emilio Estefan, Alvares Guedes,
Pepin Gatieza, and Rosa Melnabo!
> Perception is a funny thing; it can be shaped only by experience.
Indeed....it is funny.
Fortunately for me...I try and keep limit my "perception" of *individuals*
to just them and not to the ethnic, racial, religious group they belong to
and not extrapolate my "experiences" (real or imagined) with individuals to
the ethnic, racial, religious group they belong to.
It keeps people not only from laughing at me, but also from falsely
"perceiving" that I (and not every other person with whom I share ethnicity,
race, or religion) am a bigot.
> At a
> personal level with Cubans, mine has been, on the balance, positive...but
at
> the group and leadership levels it has been incredibly negative.
Why, sir....isn't the usual line of individuals of your apparent ilk
something like "At a personal level, some of my best friends are........."
Hay que reirse,
M.
baba dadá
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>>
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>> My boy is one year old....."We are here for Your Women"
>
>Now, you know that isn't going to happen. Not in my lifetime and not with
>my daughter. Sorry, but I intend to do my utmost to see that her "heritage
>compass" is just as finely tuned as her moral one.
>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> baba
>>
>> Viva Cuba Libre!
>>
>>
>> Ps. You're a politician, put your money in your mouth and run for office
>on
>> your "kernel" platform...that should be phun.
>
>That will come AFTER I've moved to North Carolina ;)
Kernel,
See, you're showing your *true* colors...While we almost agree about
lots of things politically, you're so caught up in your perception of
"Heritage" that you automatically have a gut reaction to the idea of
my son and your daughter teaming up...But it's ok for you to have
"dated" a Cuban girl...
Bigotry, plain and simple. While I would be opposed to such a
relationship for practical reasons based on personal experience (the
knowledge that parental and interference from other "Heritage" minded
individuals would make it a difficult relationship in which the couple
would constantly be forced to choose between their "old" family and
their new family), you would be opposed on the basis of a shaky and
prejudiced understanding of "American Heritage"...
To be honest, I'm not so sure I'd want my son watering down his genes
and having my fine last name associated with a genetically inferior
bunch that needs to import foreigners to do their work for them.
My basque ancestors would turn in their graves.
But I wouldn't mind very much if they just had a fling...problem is
she'd want nothing but "salsa" thereafter... ;<)
I respectfully submit that "dear old dad" confused the silly notion of
racial superiority with the real American Heritage, the ideals upon
which this Great Nation was founded, not the genetic lineage of its
population.
He taught you to be a bigot, which is par for the course for most of
you wasp Americans, even for the PC liberal types (deep inside lurks a
Mr. Hyde). Don't get upset now, I'm sure he meant well, just as you
mean well. You must realize though, that your's isn't the only group
of ancestors to have studied the classics, and to have a humanist grip
on democratic representation and civil social codes of ethics.
You sound like CI..
The history of England and it's people. (your "Heritage") is replete
with examples of barbarism. Only when y'all began applying concepts
concieved by cultures other than your own did you attain the social
cohesiveness that you so incorrectly attribute to your racial lineage.
A Jewish God, A Greco-Roman form of government, inspired by French
revolutionaries, financed by the enemies of your Heritage, and the
labor of African slaves, built on ground soaked in the blood of the
native populations which you killed or displaced...yeah, tell me about
your Heritage.
You really should read Jose Marti.
Read the 1940 Constitution of Cuba. (the one Batista and Fidel
thrashed)
You're really not that special. What is special, is that up till now
the government that was created by a bunch of people who *broke off*
with your original heritage has worked so wonderfully in spite of your
hereditary narrow mindedness. I call it luck and the influence of
other more civilized and culturally developed countries.
You have had a civil war (maybe even 2 or 3...), and a history of
corruption in government from the lowest to the highest levels...check
the Florida public records, out of all the public servants charged and
convicted of corrupt behavior or violations of their office, how many
Hispanic names do you find? Don't tell me to put in perspective. Look
at Miami-Dade County in the last 40 years...How many Hispanics?
Break it down into racial/ethnic groups even...Whos' corrupt?
Anglos and Jews, and we're learning from you, the blacks are too.
See Bob? I want Taddy and Katie to grow up in a peacefull world.
A world where everybody's Heritage is respect for each other and love
for freedom. Where race, ethnicity, and cultural Heritage don't keep
people apart, but rather gives them a reason to come together.
I'm not a globalist, but I am realistic enough to realize that we all
live in this yellow submarine, and we're all human.
Competition between peoples, races, nations is a healthy thing.
But co-operation is even healthier.
In the long history of mankind great migrations have often occured
you have one happening now. You can't run. You can fight for your
space, but you better learn to get along. By the time you get to
Raleigh it'll be overun with Colombians.
You plan to run for office after you move to NC...funny, I planned to
move to NC also, but as I said, it'll be overun with Colombians, and
we might be having a war with Mexico because of my sticky keyboard.
I've often heard the argument (from folks who sound like your clones)
that Cuban exiles should have stayed in Cuba and fought for their
freedom..as if an unarmed population could do much against machine
guns. But here you are, in Broward, at the front line, and with a
knowlege of legislation and the ins and outs of government and
connections...but rather than hold your ground and fight for
legislation that will guarantee the integrity of your "kernel", you
plan to run away to the Colombians in North Carolina. LOL!
This Cuban plans to propose legislation that will require prospective
owners in residential properties in single family zoned neighborhoods,
to study the statutes and zoning regulations pertaining to what you
can and can't do in said neighborhoods on said properties and pass a
test (in English..) before they can close on the property.
And one that would make it illegal and punishable by fine and
revocation of certificate and/or license to sell real estate, for a
real estate agent or broker to knowingly lists or show a house which
has been illegally subdivided into multi family units.
And the same for Bank and Mortgage Inspectors who knowingly approve
loans on said properties.
So, how do you feel about Miriam Oliphant?
best to Katie,
baba
ĄViva Cuba Libre!
Baba Dadá
Le estas dando yuca..come on now bro. It's not Mr. Kernel's fault he seems
that way. He learned to think like a bigot from his friends and family. At
least he's up front about his preferences and civil about his defense of
them.
I agree that he is concentrating on corrupt Hispanics and Cubans and putting
on his rose colored shades for the pasty white boys, but you have to
understand, the Kernel is a Spinner, and his particular spins is anti you
and me.
He's no dummy, he's not evil, he's just a pasty white boy
¡Viva Cuba Libre!
baba dadá (el cabrón negro)
Látigo de Oro
Son los autores de 360 atentados con 35 muertos en suelo norteamericano
La seguridad nacional de los EEUU, objetivo del terrorismo de la mafia
cubano americana
Percy Francisco Alvarado Godoy
Rebelión
Cuando uno maneja las alarmantes cifras provocadas por las acciones de
grupos terroristas dentro de los Estados Unidos, inmediatamente se forma la
falsa idea de que las mismas son provocadas exclusivamente por grupos
islámicos o por facciones de neofascistas. Sin embargo, el terrorismo
doméstico de la mafia cubano americana contra objetivos situados dentro del
territorio norteamericano, empequeñece a las tenebrosas acciones
desarrolladas por Al Qaeda y otros grupos de fanáticos, a la par que
sorprende por la impunidad con la que se ejecutan dichas actividades.
Sólo en el lapso entre 1959 y el 2001, casi cuatro décadas, se consumaron
360 hechos terroristas en territorio norteamericano, ejecutados por
diferentes organizaciones de origen contrarrevolucionario, protegidas
permanentes del gobierno de ese país. De esas acciones, 186 afectaron
directamente a intereses de los Estados Unidos de América.
La constante actividad terrorista de estos grupos de origen cubano ha
vulnerado de manera continua la seguridad nacional del gigante americano.
Unas pocas cifras así lo demuestran:
- Más de 35 personas han sido asesinados en territorio norteamericano por
parte de la mafia de origen cubano. Entre las víctimas ha habido personas de
nacionalidad norteamericana, diplomáticos cubanos y nacionales de la Isla
que cometieron el error de abogar por un acercamiento a Cuba.
- Se realizaron 14 atentados contra aeropuertos norteamericanos,
destacándose los de La Guardia y John F. Kennedy (Nueva York), el Miami
Internacional Aiport y el de Newark, Nueva Jersey.
- Una de estas organizaciones, Omega 7, realizó entre 1974 y 1983 cerca de
55 acciones terroristas dentro de los Estados Unidos y 6 en Puerto Rico.
Autotitulado Movimiento Nacionalista Cubano Omega 7, se caracterizó por su
agresividad y por haber realizado notorias acciones terroristas, entre las
que se destacaron el ataque con bazookas contra la sede de la ONU en 1964,
el asesinato del excanciller de Chile Orlando Letelier, en 1976, así como
los asesinatos del diplomático cubano Félix García Rodríguez y del cubano
Carlos Muñiz Varela, ambos consumados en 1979. Del seno de este grupo
terroristas descollaron figuras como Guillermo Novo Sampoll y su hermano
Ignacio, así como Eduardo Arocena. Este último purga una larga condena en la
cárcel y actualmente pretende ser liberado por gestiones de Lincoln Díaz
Balart e Ileana Ros Lethinen, tal como se hizo con Orlando Bosch en años
anteriores.
- Se realizaron centenares de amenazas y atentados contra instalaciones
oficiales norteamericanas, tales como el FBI, Servicio de Inmigración y
otras.
- Se llegó incluso a formular amenazas contra el propio presidente de turno
en diversas oportunidades, así como contra altos funcionarios federales y
estaduales.
En sentido general, los objetivos de este accionar terrorista han sido bien
definidos:
1) Atacar a objetivos vinculados con Cuba, creando un clima permanente de
hostilidad y beligerancia hacia la Isla.
2) Ejercer un sistemático terror entre los miembros de la comunidad cubana
asentados en territorio norteamericano, con vistas a frenar la creciente
simpatía hacia la Revolución Cubana y en pro de un acercamiento entre dicha
comunidad y la nación caribeña.
3) Presionar al gobierno norteamericano con vistas a condicionar su política
hacia Cuba. En este sentido, combinan inescrupulosamente el cabildeo
político, la amenaza y la campaña violenta.
A lo largo de estos cuarenta años han sobresalido diferentes grupos
terroristas, desarrollando algunos de ellos un notorio protagonismo. Su
preparación por parte de oficiales de la CIA y de otras agencias
norteamericanas, su involucramiento en páginas de guerra sucia fuera de las
fronteras de los Estados Unidos y otros oscuros vínculos con la cosa nostra
y el narcotráfico, los han hecho potencialmente peligrosos. En muchas
ocasiones fue puesta en entredicho la tolerancia del gobierno con estos
criminales y se vieron obligados a presionarlos para que realizaran sus
actividades fuera de la frontera norteamericana. Un ejemplo de ello ocurrió
en los inicios de los 70, cuando se llevó a cabo la guerra por los caminos
del mundo, al convencer el FBI a los principales cabecillas a cesar su
actividad de terrorismo doméstico. Uno de ellos, Orlando Bosch Ávila, había
realizado nada menos que 72 atentados con bomba en territorio
norteamericano. A partir de allí se incrementó la criminal campaña de
agresiones contra intereses cubanos en el exterior:
· El 4 de abril de 1972 explotó una bomba en la Oficina Comercial de Cuba en
Canadá, provocando la muerte de un diplomático cubano.
· Intento de secuestro del embajador cubano Emilio Aragonés, en la
Argentina, en el año 1975.
· Voladura del avión cubano en Barbados en octubre de 1976.
Llama la atención que no todos los cabecillas obedecieron las órdenes de sus
antiguos jefes y mantuvieron sus acciones y beligerancia dentro del
territorio yanqui. A partir de 1975 cobraron notoriedad grupos como el
Movimiento Nacionalista Cubano, Gobierno Cubano Secreto, Frente de
Liberación Nacional Cubano, Poder Cubano, el Alacrán, Acción Cubana,
Escorpión Cubano, Jóvenes de la Estrella, Omega 7 y Comandos Pedro Luis
Boitel.
En ese período se producen hechos de envergadura, tales como:
- Colocación de una poderosa bomba por parte del terrorista de origen cubano
Rolando Otero Hernández, que provocó la muerte de 29 personas y heridas a
75. El criminal artefacto explotó nada menos que en el Aeropuerto
Internacional La Guardia, en Nueva York. ¿Por qué no se evitó este sabotaje
en que murieron norteamericanos, el 29 de diciembre de 1975, cuando el FBI
tenía conocimiento de que este terrorista había hecho explotar 7 bombas
apenas 28 días antes en la ciudad de Miami, dirigidas contra las Oficinas
del FBI, el Federal Building, la de la Policía del Condado, Oficinas del
Seguro Social y otros objetivos? ¿Por qué no se formó una algarabía
antiterrorista como la posterior a los hechos del 11 de septiembre? ¿Por qué
no se persiguió a los terroristas de origen cubano como se hizo con los
miembros de Al Qaeda?
- En septiembre de 1978 fueron asesinados cuatro ciudadanos norteamericanos
al ser volada en el aire una avioneta en la que se dirigían a Cuba. La
organización terrorista Jóvenes de la Estrella se adjudicó tan criminal
hecho. Uno de los ejecutores de tan malvado atentado, Ramón Saúl Sánchez
Rizo, vive en Miami sin ser molestado y mantiene una activa beligerancia
contra Cuba. Este terrorista se ha caracterizado por actuar con franca
impunidad durante todos estos años., asociándose a las más activas y
peligrosas organizaciones de corte violento en la década de los 70, tales
como Frente de Liberación Nacional Cubano, Alpha 66, Jóvenes de la Estrella,
Coordinadora de Organizaciones Revolucionarias. En los 80, dirigió el grupo
Organización para la Liberación de Cuba y participó con los connotados
terroristas asociados a Omega 7.
Sin descansar en su violenta actividad, recuérdese su participación en los
hundimientos de dos barcos pesqueros en 1970 -los Plataformas I y IV-, así
como promover secuestros de personas en Venezuela, México y Estados Unidos,
se sabe que Ramón Saúl participó directamente en el atentado contra Carlos
Muñiz Varela y otros hechos, siendo un niño consentido de la justicia
norteamericana. Sancionado a cuatro años de cárcel a pesar de su amplio
historial delictivo, en 1984, sólo cumplió dos de ellos. Luego se integró a
otros grupúsculos terroristas como Organización para la Liberación de Cuba,
Comisión Nacional Cubana, Cuba Independiente y Democrática (CID) y el Grupo
de Acciones Navales.
Durante los disturbios provocados por la firma de los Acuerdos Migratorios
entre Cuba y Estados Unidos, fue detenido el dos de mayo de 1995. Desde
luego, fue liberado de inmediato a pesar de que el FBI conoce que guarda un
número considerable de armas. Baste señalar que tanto él, como José Basalto,
son dos enemigos jurados de estos acuerdos y ambos se han dedicado
constantemente a sabotearlos. Finalmente, desde las filas del Movimiento
Democracia, se ha dedicado a crear tensiones entre los dos gobiernos y a
promover acciones terroristas y llamados a la desobediencia de la comunidad
cubana asentada en Miami, a raíz del caso del niño balsero Elián González.
Volviendo a nuestro recuento sobre el terrorismo doméstico de la mafia en
EE. UU., cabe significar que nuevamente el gobierno yanqui negoció con ellos
y los obligó a desarrollar su actividad fuera de los Estados Unidos. Así fue
hasta 1979 en que incrementaron sus operaciones dentro de ese país. No
obstante, una nueva organización conocida como el CORU cobró cierta
relevancia dentro de los EE UU: no era más que un nuevo disfraz de los
terroristas. Por esos años produjeron una respuesta violenta a los intentos
de diálogo entre la comunidad y el gobierno cubano, al asesinar a Carlos
Muñiz Varela y José Eulalio Negrín.
A grandes rasgos, los hechos terroristas más sobresalientes de estas décadas
fueron:
DECADA DE LOS SETENTA:
(1974) Asesinato de José Elías de la Torriente por no haber realizado un
plan de invasión contra Cuba. Este hecho se perpetró en el propio domicilio
de la víctima, ubicado en el lujoso barrio de Coral Gables.
(1974) Cuatro agresiones con bombas contra medios de prensa: una explota en
las oficinas de la Revista Réplica y las otras tres cerca de una estación de
radio en español.
(1974) Son asesinados Héctor Díaz Limonta y Arturo Rodríguez como resultado
de contradicciones intestinas dentro de la mafia cubano americana. Dos años
después perecen Rolando Mansferrer y Ramón Donestévez por las mismas causas.
En 1977, sufre la misma suerte Juan José Peruyero.
(1975) Otra bomba es colocada en las oficinas de Réplica.
(1976) Atentado contra Emilio Milián, director de un noticiero radial en una
emisora miamense, quien se opuso a la violencia promovido por los
terroristas radicados en EE UU. La víctima perdió ambas piernas.
(1979) Explosiones por bombas en Padrón Cigars en dos oportunidades, luego
de un intento infructuoso.
(1979) Agresión armada contra los espectadores que veían la proyección del
filme cubano Memorias del subdesarrollo.
DECADA DE LOS OCHENTA:
Durante esta década son descubiertas varias bombas sin explotar¾American
Airways Charter (1980) y Consulado de Nicaragua (1981)¾, aunque la mayoría
de los actos terroristas fueron exitosos. Tales son los casos de:
(1981) Colocación de bombas en los Consulados de México y Venezuela, ambos
situados en Miami.
(1981) Otra bomba estalla en Réplica.
Disparos contra Hispania Americana, la que envía medicinas a Cuba.
(1983) Bomba estalla en la agencia de viajes a Cuba nombrada Paradise
International.
(1987) Es conocido, junto a 1988, como el año de las agresiones contra
agencias de viajes a Cuba, las que sufren continuos atentados con bombas.
Esta oleada afecta directamente a Cuba Envíos, Almacén El Español, Agencia
Cubanacán Envíos, Machi Viajes, así como Va Cuba (en dos oportunidades).
(1988) Este año se producen atentados contra varias agencias de viajes (Va
Cuba y Bele Cuba Express. Igualmente se producen atentados contra el Museo
Cubano de Arte y Cultura y amenaza de bomba contra las oficinas de Iberia y
del Servicio de Inmigración y Naturalización, objetivos situados en la
ciudad de Miami.
(1989 y 1990) Estos años sellan la década de impunidad del terrorismo
anticubano con la explosión de una potente bomba en el Museo Cubano de Arte
y Cultura, dos bombas en Marazul Charters y colocación de bombas en lugares
aledaños a las residencias de simpatizantes por el diálogo entre Cuba y la
comunidad cubana en EE UU.
DECADA DE LOS NOVENTA:
(1994) Dos bombas estallan nuevamente en las oficinas de la revista Réplica.
(1996) Estalla bomba en el Centro Vasco ante la actuación de la cantante
cubana Rosita Fornés.
(1996) Ataques con bomba contra las agencias de viaje Marazul Charters y Tu
Familia Shipping.
(1998) Amenaza de bomba contra centros nocturnos en los que actuarían
artistas cubanos como Compay Segundo y Manolín "El médico de la Salsa". Las
amenazas se consumaron con la explosión en Amnesia, centro nocturno de Miami
Beach, de un medio incendiario.
No cabe duda, que todas estas agresiones fueron ordenadas y financiadas, a
lo largo de estos cuarenta años, por los principales terroristas agrupados
en el CORU, Alpha 66, CID, FNCA y otras. Sin embargo, algunos de los
ejecutores materiales de las mismas han podido ser identificados y actúan
libremente en los Estados Unidos, en muchos casos sin ser molestados. Aunque
algunos han guardado prisión, las condenas han sido frecuentemente benignas
hacia ellos, y aún se les puede ver deambulando libremente por las calles.
Estos son algunos casos:
ANGEL ALFONSO ALEMAN, apodado La Cota, que trabaja en el 4300 Bergerline
Ave, room 200, en Nueva Jersey. De pelo castaño, calvicie pronunciada y 1,75
metros de altura, se sabe que en 1997 pretendió dinamitar la Misión Cubana
en la ciudad de Nueva York. Está vinculado a la Fundación Nacional Cubano
Americana.
HECTOR FRANCISCO ALFONSO RUIZ, conocido por el seudónimo de Héctor Fabián,
vecino de 3020 SW 25 Terrace, Miami, ha sido un activo terrorista. Participó
en atentados con bomba contra cuatro agencias de envío de paquetes a Cuba
(1972), planificó un atentado contra la embajada de Cuba en México (1973) y
se involucró en varios planes de atentado contra Fidel (1973 al 1979).
Ejecutó una agresión contra el buque Jobabo, de bandera cubana, en el año
1978. Se le sabe comprometido en el envío de paquetes explosivos a embajadas
cubanas en México, Canadá, Argentina y Perú. Actualmente se dedica a
promover infiltraciones armadas en la Isla, como la que tuvo lugar el 17 de
septiembre de 1996 en que fueron capturados Pedro Pablo Pulido Ortega y Noel
Ramos.
SIXTO REYNALDO AQUIT MANRIQUE, conocido como el Chino Aquit, de una estatura
de 1,58 metros, 170 libras de peso, ojos negros, mestizo y rasgos faciales
asiáticos, presenta también una pequeña cicatriz en el labio superior,
Actualmente reside en el 11549SW 5 street, Miami y su teléfono es 305 - 227
1714. Se sabe que, luego de participar en la agresión al buque tanque
Mykonos, en 1993, viajó a Centroamérica con la finalidad de contactar a
terroristas cubanos asentados allí, particularmente en El Salvador, así como
a militares salvadoreños, con la finalidad de organizar acciones terroristas
contra Cuba. Fue descubierto in fraganti cuando se disponía a perpetrar un
atentado contra la sede de la Asociación de Trabajadores de Cuba, en Miami,
lugar en que estaban almacenadas veinte toneladas de alimentos y medicinas
que serían traídos a Cuba por la Cuarta Caravana de los Pastores por la Paz.
Condenado a cinco años de prisión fuera de la cárcel, dos en caución
domiciliaria y tres bajo palabra, continuó realizando y promoviendo
agresiones contra Cuba. Llegó a ubicarse cerca del presidente Bush en
ocasión de las festividades del 20 de mayo del 2002, en la ciudad de Miami.
Pudiéramos mencionar muchos casos similares a estos, pero no se haría otra
cosa que confirmar los objetivos de este artículo, que son en esencia:
Demostrar la vulnerabilidad de la nación norteamericana ante este tipo de
terroristas.
Evidenciar la impunidad con la que realizan sus criminales actividades
dentro de los EE UU y la anuencia de las agencias federales ante estos
actos.
La incapacidad o falta de interés de la justicia norteamericana por condenar
estos crímenes.
CONCLUSIONES
Disculpe, amigo lector, si luego de leer este artículo, queda en usted un
sabor amargo en la boca o, al menos, una terrible sensación de inseguridad.
La culpa, por supuesto, no ha sido mía. Creo que el principal culpable es el
gobierno norteamericano, que jamás se ha esforzado por detener esa oleada
terrorista dentro de su territorio. Lo doloroso es que las propias víctimas
han pagado más de una vez las actividades de los que les han provocado la
muerte un día cualquiera, en Miami o Nueva York, durante estos cuarenta
años.
Obviamente, en uno despierta el genuino derecho a preguntarse:
¿Qué grado de compromiso han contraído las administraciones norteamericanas
para no detener los ataques en que perecen sus propios ciudadanos? ¿No
serían los mismos que contrajeron una vez con el propio Osama Bin Laden?
¿Por qué no se levantó una respuesta antiterrorista, similar a que
actualmente se lleva en el mundo por parte de Estados Unidos, contra los
grupos de la mafia cubanoamericana?
¿Por qué se enjuicio a cinco cubanos, que evitaron hechos como estos, en vez
de apresar a los ejecutores de tamaños crímenes?
No cabe duda pues, a qué negarlo, que algo está muy podrido en Estados
Unidos y su olor desagradable sale de la Oficina Oval, varias oficinas
federales y de las cortes de Miami. Mientras tanto, los terroristas andan
sueltos y amenazando a los propios norteamericanos. Como diría cualquier
cubano: ¡La cosa está de madre, compay!
http://www.rebelion.org/imperio/030624godoy.htm
Cortesía de Richard Leiva
Nota.-El hecho de postear este artículo no avala el racismo del thread.
"Themezas" <Themezas...@att.net> wrote in message
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Baba Dadá
bunch of groups. My apologies to you all, the original thread was started at
miami.general and I don't make it a habit to cross-post as it is considered
poor "nettiquette" and is frowned upon by most ISPs and newservers.
baba
"baba dadá" <ram...@inorbit.com> wrote in message
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mona
wrote:
>
>> At a
>> personal level with Cubans, mine has been, on the balance, positive...but
>at
>> the group and leadership levels it has been incredibly negative.
>
>Why, sir....isn't the usual line of individuals of your apparent ilk
>something like "At a personal level, some of my best friends are........."
>
>Hay que reirse,
>
on the other hand, have you read "Cuba Confidential" by Ann Louise
Bardach? Certainly is a lot of confirmation about the corruption of
the 'leadership" levels... as in charged, tried and convicted.
Get back to me when you finish reading it.
malanga
"mona" <no...@wightman.ca> wrote:
No need to wait...I have.
Now...let's see...if I recommend reading any book about the Chicago machine
and you'll accept that since it confirms corruption of the "leadership
levels" of the Irish and the African Americans, you'll get back to me when
you finish with the conclusion that both these groups are inherently
culturally corrupt?
Or...say...if I suggest a read about the Canadian "leadership level"'s
treatment of the Inuit suggests that....
M.
PS Oh...yeah....did you take note of the pages Ms. Bardach spent on the
community leadership which was not corrupt? Any mention of what % they might
be? Did she spend a lot of time mentioning the name of the author of an
article on one of these "corrupt" Miami personages which resulted in the
magazine that it was published in losing a certain defamation suit brought
against it?
americankernel
>
> "americankernel" <america...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:PZYJa.7477$Fy6.2634@sccrnsc03...
> > "malanga" <mal...@nyame.yu.ca> wrote in message
> > news:BB1DC0FB.21C88%mal...@nyame.yu.ca...
> > > On 6/23/03 7:20 PM, in article vXLJa.788$R73.200@sccrnsc04,
> > "americankernel"
> > > <america...@msn.com> wrote:
> > >
<snip>
> > No matter, it would be hard for even the most
> > objective outsider's perception of a culture not to be colored after
> > witnessing "leaders" like Al Gutman (whom I once considered a good
friend)
> > being convicted for Medicare fraud, or Carlos Valdez (with whom I
sweated
> > through a one-vote-margin election) being caught on tape committing
petty
> > vandalism, or Recaray (from whom we got checks for the Hawkins campaign)
> > being successful in absconding with the big bucks. Once the perception
is
> > colored, it becomes almost natural to expect others like Illeana to sit
> > there and lie through her teeth on TV last summer about the details of
an
> > amnesty bill. She only served to affirm perceptions by her deceptions.
> > The perceptions are only further enriched when the community serves up
the
> > likes of Joe Carollo and Xavier Suarez for Mayor.
>
> But then again....we can't seem to avoid mentioning them there Hispanics
by
> name, and of course, exclusively.
My political "territory" for several years just happened to be Dade, Broward
and Palm Beach counties. I've developed fewer close relationships with
politicos and community leaders outside the region, and only a couple
outside the state. My specialty consulting niche was lobbying and
consulting to campaigns for the Florida legislature. I did have involvement
in other Dade organizations because my regional office was located there.
Also, I have always leaned Republican, which meant that while my job
required that I help Democrats in Broward and Palm Beach, it never was a
warm and fuzzy thing. So, there are reasons why I did get to know more Dade
"leaders," both in business and in politics, a bit better than those working
in and representing the other two counties.
I'm just being frankly serious when I say that I've never known anyone very
well outside of Dade who was indicted and/or convicted and/or became a
fugitive. The one community leader in Broward that I knew who spent time in
prison for securities fraud was someone I mistrusted from the get-go, but
since he was the president my not-for-profit client, I didn't have the
luxury of simply severing the relationship...which would have been my
preference. But I sure didn't socialize with him outside of work like I did
some of your community's prominent jailbirds. I got the same "gut feeling"
the first time I met my crooked Broward associate I got when I first met
Mas. They both gave me the "willies." To be fair, the vast majority of
elected and business-leader type Cubans I've known are not in prison and
have never been there, except for those who Castro incarcerated. They have
been good, decent people...with whom I have come to vehemently disagree
about the future of my nation.
It took the experience of actually moving to Miami and living there to serve
as a clarifying agent for the disdain I have for Dade County. Any
heritage-loving American, when given a short course on the last 40 years of
Miami's history has all sorts of red flags raised. I really do think
America would be a vastly improved place if we'd just dig a trench and set
everything south of the Dade-Broward line adrift . Without immigration
reform, in five years we can dig the trench at the Broward-Palm Beach line
instead.
It is not my job to change a prevalent abysmal national perceptions of Miami
that I believe are well-deserved and completely earned.
>
> Ah...sorry...but of course, it's all a matter of your non-propensity for
> avoidance of such "sorts".
>
>
> (Say...would this be the right moment to repeat those names...Milander,
> Clark, Kennedy...and see if well...they ring a bell?)
>
> >It gets cemented into
> > broader American psyches when it is reported that Miami is "officially"
> the
> > poorest city in America today.
>
> No doubt...everyone in the heartland has psychic issues over the fact
that
> Miami is poor, "officially"...in fact, I think, if you look closely,
you'll
> find billboards on I-90 reminding everyone that this is the case.
More than likely, they'll see billboards paid for by any one of several
thriving and active immigration reform organizations. In the immigration
reform movement there is no distinction between the sources of migrants;
thus, y'all are lumped together with illegals from Mexico, Haitian's running
amuck on the causeway, and terrorist visa overstayers who, for some strange
reason, didn't see the need to learn how to land those jets they were
learning to fly.
http://www.cairco.org/billboard/pict3.html
It makes no difference who you are or where you are from if you're being as
a statistic for purposes of making a broader point and driving it home. I
doubt that mental images of the banana crates dropped off at city hall carry
as much of an impact as those of the twin towers ablaze, but the points you
represent on little charts and graphs do help make our case. The headlines
we see regularly coming from Miami are most helpful in making stuff like
this look all the more terrifying to Joe Lunchbucket:
http://www.cairco.org/data/data_us.html
The main thing I have to keep reminding myself is that the situation is not
your fault. It is ours. It is our leaders' abdicated responsibility. It
isn't my intent to single you out...I have the same concern for all
immigrant groups when the numbers get out of hand. And they are all WAY out
of hand. But dagnabbit, your compadres did just too fine a job of pissing me
off when I lived in Miami for it not to percolate up in discussion.
>
>
> >I'm a marketer and PR guy by profession.
> > I'd advise any group with a "brand identity" that is so tenuous with the
> > people you depend being able to manipulate (the greater American
> citizenry)
> > to make some changes, and pronto.
>
> Why sir...thank you for the professional advice.
>
> Is there anything else you think we should do (when we are not stealing
from
> the public and being deceptive)?
No, seeing that it will be 40 years or more before you can prove the ability
to really become American, that's the best place to start.
>
>
> >That inordinate clout you have in
> > Washington is on as shaky ground as it has been in 40 years. It
probably
> > would be better if your corruptions didn't seem so consistently
> high-level,
> > and you can't keep having these nationally televised displays that,
> > regardless of how y'all feel about them, that look pretty anti-American
to
> > Joe Lunchbucket in Nebraska.
>
> You? Yours?
Oh please. As if you are unaware of the relative disparity between your
small numbers and the volume at which your issues are heard in Washington.
>
> All us people? Those People? Them People?
>
> Why sir...you really need to forgive all of us....you know how it is....we
> all just be victims of our nature...I imaging you can't help but advice
some
> folks to go easy on dat watermelon and fried chicken they so like....and
> ....saints and begorrah, I bet you tell the sainted Irish they should be
> more responsible about their drinking....and oy, vey, I bet you think
those
> Hebrews shouldn't be so agressive in business!
Tangental.
>
>
> > > Just asking, since well, you did say "you've lived Dade politics in a
> very
> > > up-close manner", and well, the tales that circulate about these
names,
> > not
> > > to mention items in the public record, are rather legendary.
> > >
> >
> > The other part to this equation is that my experience with Dade politics
> > began in 1985 when I was a pipsqueak working for La Senadora Paula
> Hawkins.
> > While I could never prove it because I don't speak spanish,
>
> What?
>
> From an expert, a "professional PR and marketing" type making a living in
> Miami?
>
> You mean all those Hispanic "friends" in that you know so well, "currently
> in prison", "on the lam", with whom you've "sweated" and you haven't ,
even
> by all that contact/osmosis/closeness, picked up *any* the lingo of "those
> people"?
>
> Say it ain't so, Schmoe! Say it ain't so?
I had every intent to regain fluency in spanish as a courtesy...until I
figured out that it was expected of me as a part of my assimilation program
into a culture that invaded my nation. So, I dug my heels in, sent that
paid-for Berlitz course back, and have been active in english-only,
anti-immigrant matters ever since. If you don't agree with my feeling
justified in my position, I really don't care.
>
>
> > I was pretty
> > quickly convinced that a great deal of the work that went on in that
> office
> > was assisting illegals with fraudulent (or at least highly suspect)
> > paperwork. I'll more than readily admit that the experience colored my
> > perception of everything that came after...of course, it was during that
> > time that I met Mas, and Recaray and a host of others whom I consider
> today
> > to have been most nefarious.
>
> My God, sir....you *are* impressive...I on the other hand, have only met
> Menos and el Recar*ey*y de las Fritas!
Go ahead and mock me. I've met them, I've lobbied them and I've helped
their campaigns. Not that I would ever do that kind of crap again, mind
you, but I did it. It was my career.
>
> I bet you've even met Batista, Celia Cruz, Emilio Estefan, Alvares
Guedes,
> Pepin Gatieza, and Rosa Melnabo!
And this absurdity is supposed to prove what?
>
> > Perception is a funny thing; it can be shaped only by experience.
>
> Indeed....it is funny.
>
> Fortunately for me...I try and keep limit my "perception" of *individuals*
> to just them and not to the ethnic, racial, religious group they belong to
> and not extrapolate my "experiences" (real or imagined) with individuals
to
> the ethnic, racial, religious group they belong to.
Hey, it isn't any care of mine if y'all aren't interested in finding ways
not to look so stupidly irritating on the national stage. And having your
first non-absurd national headlines in years be those touting your hosting
the Latin Grammy's doesn't do anything but cement perceptions. The majority
of people to whom such things matter in your host country don't believe you
want to be a part of America and you have yet to do the first thing to
indicate that they are wrong. The signals you send are taken at face value
as intent.
From a PR and marketing standpoint, y'all are really sucking wind.
mona
wrote:
>> Get back to me when you finish reading it.
>
>No need to wait...I have.
>
>Now...let's see...if I recommend reading any book about the Chicago machine
>and you'll accept that since it confirms corruption of the "leadership
>levels" of the Irish and the African Americans, you'll get back to me when
>you finish with the conclusion that both these groups are inherently
>culturally corrupt?
Yeah, and that's my point and hers. Hey Pedro.. they ALL suck. Swallow
it and move on.
>Or...say...if I suggest a read about the Canadian "leadership level"'s
>treatment of the Inuit suggests that....
you're arguments are specious .. out of proportion .. Canada is a big
place and yeah, the treatment of the Inuit has sucked.. but ..you
sound EXACTLY like SAYAN here ..
better to admit defeat when defeated and move on...
>PS Oh...yeah....did you take note of the pages Ms. Bardach spent on the
>community leadership which was not corrupt? Any mention of what % they might
>be?
pretty small. As is your interpretation of the big picture here.
Did she spend a lot of time mentioning the name of the author of an
>article on one of these "corrupt" Miami personages which resulted in the
>magazine that it was published in losing a certain defamation suit brought
>against it?
blah blah blah....
God., you are in permanent denial .. and don't tell me you know
anyththing about denial.....
cuz ... you don't get it .
Which is a lot different than "you're a wise, funny, intelligent
person with off the cuff brilliant answers" ...
But, okay SAYAN ...
es la misma cosa pero no puedes verla...
tu amiga,
la canadianse,
Mona
malanga
"mona" <no...@wightman.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:08:54 -0400, malanga <mal...@nyame.yu.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> Get back to me when you finish reading it.
>>
>> No need to wait...I have.
>>
>> Now...let's see...if I recommend reading any book about the Chicago machine
>> and you'll accept that since it confirms corruption of the "leadership
>> levels" of the Irish and the African Americans, you'll get back to me when
>> you finish with the conclusion that both these groups are inherently
>> culturally corrupt?
>
> Yeah, and that's my point and hers. Hey Pedro.. they ALL suck. Swallow
> it and move on.
>
Hmmm....if I thought "ALL" members of a racial, ethnic, cultural group
sucked, I'd be a bigot.
So....you mind if I don't move on?
>> Or...say...if I suggest a read about the Canadian "leadership level"'s
>> treatment of the Inuit suggests that....
>
> you're arguments are specious .. out of proportion .. Canada is a big
> place and yeah, the treatment of the Inuit has sucked.. but ..you
> sound EXACTLY like SAYAN here ..
>
> better to admit defeat when defeated and move on...
Hmmm...I didn't know I was in a battle.
My point is, that, once you begin to find it acceptable to extrapolate and
ascribe characteristics to ALL members of a racial, ethnic, cultural group
based on the behaviour of a *selected* few, you are on the slippery slope of
bigotry.
If you think this is otherwise....well.....
>> PS Oh...yeah....did you take note of the pages Ms. Bardach spent on the
>> community leadership which was not corrupt? Any mention of what % they might
>> be?
>
> pretty small. As is your interpretation of the big picture here.
>
> Did she spend a lot of time mentioning the name of the author of an
>> article on one of these "corrupt" Miami personages which resulted in the
>> magazine that it was published in losing a certain defamation suit brought
>> against it?
>
> blah blah blah....
>
> God., you are in permanent denial .. and don't tell me you know
> anyththing about denial.....
>
If you point to where I'm denying anything, I'd love to see it.
> cuz ... you don't get it .
Well...I think it is you that doesn't.
(Gee...if I extrapolate know and say that all members of whatever ethnic,
religious, cultural, national, gardening group ALL "don't get it"...would I
be getting it in your eyes?)
> Which is a lot different than "you're a wise, funny, intelligent
> person with off the cuff brilliant answers" ...
>
> But, okay SAYAN ...
In Guanabacoa, I think the response to this would be "la tuya" ;-).
> es la misma cosa pero no puedes verla...
Y tu ves mas de lo que hay.
> tu amiga,
> la canadianse,
>
> Mona
Saludos,
M.
marika
the reason you haven't killfiled me is because you know i am right and
the only way to defend against this is to call me stupid in order to
get me to react to that instead of the fact that you concepts are
wrong and your statistics unsubstantiated. Posting a one-sided
unsubstantiatted article still doesn't prove your original case.
go on and killfile us all. It won't change the facts
if there is any assimilation to be had, we will borg you, not the
reverse
>
> My, you do hop around quite a bit. I think this may be the longest you've
> ever stayed in one place. I'm most flattered.
uh no, don't flatter yourself, it isn't the longest,your googling
isn't quite what it should be.
it certainly demonstrates that your research techniques are
inefficient and incomplete.
your recent alleged defense has convinced no one.
the US has always been diverse, rich and variable with methods of
governance and other ways of doing things.
and as an afterthought, i did read your website over a week ago. It
is boring and pedantic as your posts
so who here has read Hanson's Mexifornia and what's your take
mk5000