Hardy
My 'nationality' will *always* be Scottish but I do have Canadian
'citizenship' if that's what you're driving at.
> and why have they done so?
Why not? It makes it easier to cross the border into the US for the
occasional shopping trip or vacation.
Just as I thought. You are a Canadian. In some countries you would
have to give up your other citizenship.
so where do your loyalties lie?
Hardy
It's not a matter of "changing" it (at least, when it
comes to the US/UK); one has Dual Citizenship.
> ( yes I know you still retain British passport etc).
> and why have they done so?
Why not? The ability to Vote comes to mind. As does
the ease of not having to play, er - Hopscotch - with
Visas/Residency/Etc.
Plus, in the event you hadn't noticed, being able to
show US Citizenship over the previous eight years
meant a slightly lower chance of being carted off to
Guantanamo Bay or some CYA 'Black Site' in the
bowels of Kazakhstan or the like for not having paid
a parking citation or for having said the wrong thing
on a telephone conversation.
Christ, You're Dense!,
The Phantom Piper
Speaking for myself, I prefer to be in the company
of intelligent persons. Going by this standard, you
are a Permanent Resident of a Third-World Hellhole.
*Jesus* You're A Moron!,
The Phantom Piper
You're not very nice to my new friend Hardy, PP!
btw, just by coinky-dinky another NZ/Scotland connection is in the news.
Apparently Scots love their Kiwi venison. Personally, I don't think
Scottish Bambis should be shot and eaten anyway. They should be kept in
Scotland as decoration and for hanging around castles and such for photo ops
only.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland/Eat-Scottish-campaigners-target-.5430054.jp
'Eat Scottish' campaigners target venison Down Under
Published Date: 05 July 2009
By Rosemary Gallagher
IT IS supposed to be the monarch of the Scottish glens but up to a third of
venison eaten in Scotland is imported from New Zealand.
With demand increasing, particularly as consumers become more aware of its
health benefits, Scottish producers are calling for more home-reared venison
to be supplied to the domestic market rather than exported to the continent.
To boost the profile of the meat in the UK and encourage the public to think
about its
origin, 4 September has been named the inaugural Eat Scottish Venison Day by
an alliance of producers.
The Scottish venison industry is worth around �70.4 million a year and
employs almost 1,000 people, many in rural areas. Although 3,000 tonnes of
Scottish venison is produced annually, almost a third is sent to the
continent.
But with an upsurge in celebrity chefs and a renewed interest in cooking, UK
consumers are buying more venison, which is lower in fat and cholesterol
than most other meats. Venison processors, supermarkets and restaurants are
unable to meet the year-round demand by just buying Scottish meat, so they
are being forced to fly it thousands of miles from New Zealand.
Tony Borthwick, chef and owner of the Michelin-starred Plumed Horse
restaurant in Leith has thrown his weight behind the campaign. He said: "I
find it ridiculous that we actually import venison from the other side of
the world when we have plenty of our own. I like roe deer and when I have it
on my menu it's always Scottish. There's no point in not sourcing everything
locally."
He added that while some people may not like the idea of shooting, they have
to be aware that stalking is massive for the Scottish economy. "We have to
support our own industry."
The Scottish Venison Working Group, comprising the Association of Deer
Management Groups, the British Deer Farmers Association, the Deer Commission
for Scotland, Forestry Commission Scotland, the Scottish Gamekeepers
Association and Scottish Quality Wild Venison, has come up with the
initiative to give the industry a boost.
Alastair MacGugan, a spokesman for the Deer Commission for Scotland, said:
"Historically, venison has been taken off the hill and exported straight
away. But now demand is high and we want to keep the value of the food in
Scotland."
He added that using local supplies of venison will also reduce carbon
emissions by cutting down on air miles. Christian Nissen is managing
director of Highland Game, a Dundee-based processor of venison which
supplies the major supermarket chains such as Tesco, Sainsbury's, Waitrose
and Morrisons with a range of products, including venison sausages, burgers
and steaks. He supports the industry initiative as he is currently forced to
process Kiwi venison.
He said: "There's been an increase over the years in the amount of venison I
have to import from New Zealand and it now makes up about 30 per cent of my
total production.
"Deer shot by traditional game dealers in Scotland is primarily exported.
I'm a Scottish processor, supporting the economy. If I could source all my
venison in Scotland I would do so, but to meet the demand from my customers
I have to import.
"My ambition is to supply Scottish venison to British consumers, building on
demand for local produce and generating jobs in Scotland. Why give all our
good venison to the French?"
MacGugan and Nissen say the management of deer is a complex issue and it is
not as simple as shooting more beasts to meet demand. In recent years, an
argument has erupted between deer-lovers, who regard the beast as the
"monarch of the glen", and environmentalists who see it as a plague because
of the destruction it causes to the countryside. Landowners have been
accused of keeping numbers artificially high so that there are plenty to be
shot and deer have been blamed for wrecking native forests and ruining the
Scottish landscape.
"There's not too many deer throughout Scotland, there's just too many in
certain places. A balance must be maintained to meet the needs of different
landowners," said MacGugan.
Another issue is the seasonality of deer stalking which means retailers and
restaurants cannot be guaranteed a supply of Scottish venison throughout the
year. Red stags can only be shot between 1 July and 20 October, while hinds
can be culled from 20 October to 15 February. MacGugan said that one way to
tackle the seasonal problem would be to shoot more roe deer, which can be
killed all year round, and use more of that meat in the domestic market. He
said that another answer would be to farm more deer, rather than rely on
animals which roam wild. "We buy in farmed deer from elsewhere. But there
are lots of fields which were previously used for sheep farming which could
now be used for deer."
Scotland already has a quality assurance scheme for the meat and the
Scottish Venison Working Group came up with the idea of an Eat Scottish
Venison Day to kick-start the awareness campaign. A website to be unveiled
in September will explain venison's "journey from hill to plate" and include
recipes from chefs.
In New Zealand elections? As a Non-Citizen?
Surprised,
The Phantom Piper
Yes. All people with permanent residence can vote.
Hardy
They leap over walls and destroy gardens, and they're a menace on the roads.
Ah, the American ban on Scots is still in effect then?
Shoot the suckers and eat them, I say.
It's worked for many a year in my mountains.
>Just as I thought.
That's the problem! You just don't think!
>You are a Canadian.
I'm a Scot ... first, last and always.
>In some countries you would
>have to give up your other citizenship.
Citizenship ... aye! Nationality you only give up when you die!
>so where do your loyalties lie?
Do you have children? That's like asking which one of my children do I
love best. You can be such an eejit!
My daughter and her husband and family nearly met their Maker when
they encountered one on the road when they were in Scotland on
holiday.
They can be very dangerous - much worse than the sheep.
I walked out of my house about 200PM yesterday and there was a
doe standing in front of me. It must've been lost because they're
usually not out in mid-afternoon.
A week or two ago, I was at my daughter-in-law's house...one
street over from mine...when her dogs went wild. I went to look, and
there was a deer in the neighbor's back yard. It was trying to go from
the woods at one end of the street (oh, excuse me "greenbelt"...gotta
be PC) to the woods at the other end.
My D-I-L's house has a raised deck about 15 feet high and three
dogs...a chihuahua, a pit bull-golden lab mix, and a rottweiller were
up on the deck barking while the shiba inu was down at the fence. His
fur was bristled and he was ready to go for some venison.
The deer took a few steps forward at which time the shiba inu
figured out he was alone...the mix is over 13 and not very spry while
the rott has bad hips and isn't a big fan of stairs...so he hightailed
it for the deck. The deer then jumped the fence and continued to the
woods.
Those 'Bambis' (Cervus elaphus) are bl**dy monsters and are related to
North American Elk and can weigh more than 500lbs. The 'real' Bambi was
a White-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) and would have maxed out at
300lbs.
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
If he had been meant to think he would have been given brains.
Even our fairly small white-tails can really tear up a car. The
big old mule deer out west are worse. A lot of people swerve when they
see a deer which can be the worst of all.
>On Jul 5, 8:45�pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> so where do your loyalties lie?
>
>Speaking for myself, I prefer to be in the company
>of intelligent persons.
And so you chose the USofA, didn't they tell you the place is full of
Braindead Rightards, Redneck hicks and Bushite nazis?
No inteligent people in Scotland???
Another irony meter blown...
>The Phantom Piper
An SUV is a bit higher than a car, so the deer would be less likely
to go over the hood and come through the windshield.
Maybe transfer them to that island where all the sheep are shrinking ... :)
- nilita, who was traumatized as a child watching the movie Bambi ....
> I'm a Scot ... first, last and always.
Oh, no - hadn't you heard? You give that up
when you cross the Borders...
> Citizenship ... aye! Nationality you only give up when you die!
Or, as I put it recently: does a person cease to be related
to their Mother when the umbilical cord is cut and they begin
breathing on their own - or when they move out of the house
and get one of their own? These people are ridiculous!
> Do you have children?
*/8~O Heaven forfend!
> You can be such an eejit!
Well, he's in such good company Here, after all...
Shaking My Head,
The Phantom Piper
> No inteligent people in Scotland???
And so, he misspells the word 'intelligent'...
<*sigh*>
> Another irony meter blown...
Indeed.
But ignoring that - <snicker> - I'm pretty sure I could
surround myself with intelligent people even in Texas
(well, in Austin, anyway). However the *point* of the
post (which you snipped) was of course to make a
sarcastic reply to the eejit Hardy Spicer, vis:
>> so where do your loyalties lie?
>
> Speaking for myself, I prefer to be in the company
> of intelligent persons. Going by this standard, you
> are a Permanent Resident of a Third-World Hellhole.
So, as you can see, O "Inteligent" One, the active bit
of the above paragraph is the last sentence (the one
you snipped), and has nothing to do with Scotland. It
*does*, however, have much to do with being a Literal
Minded Moron, which trait you apparently share with
Heid thi Ba'...
Explaining Things Slowly, As To A Dull Child,
The Phantom Piper
Hardy
Hmm ... good point!
Eat scottish venison! It's fabulous stuff.
Lesley Robertson
I......WILL......MAKE......NO......COMMENT
pee pee feels ever so much more superior when he surrounds himself with the
retard colonists.
And the meals at his rehab center aren't all that bad.
That's true.
I expect the individual states to begin the process any day now, especially
the former Confederate States.
;=)
>>> My daughter and her husband and family nearly met their Maker when they
>>> encountered one on the road when they were in Scotland on holiday.
>> They can be very dangerous - much worse than the sheep.
>
> I......WILL......MAKE......NO......COMMENT
>
Very wise - Sherry isn't the only one with a cast iron skillet!
(I originally typed that as 'skullet'...)
the father of a good friend of mine met his Maker when driving along a
six lane highway, a deer on the far side of the road was hit by a
speeding tractor trailer; its carcass rocketed across five lanes of
traffic and slammed through the front windshield of his car, killing
him instantly.
I renew my hunting license every year to shoot a deer, even though I
haven't gone after one in at least seven or eight years.
Bambi be damned.
JML
red handed
Promises, promises.
*That'll* Be The Day...,
The Phantom Piper
Odd - one would think that you would be going after
Tractor Trailers (Articulated Lorries for those across
the Pond), yes? I mean, the Deer in question was
already dead, killed by the very truck which then
hurled it into your friend's father's car, wasn't it? Or
you might blame God perhaps, for having invented
Newtonian Physics, the Gravitational Constant, the
Coefficient of Friction and the like... Or blame God
for Evolution, which eventually resulted in Humans
using technology and developing Commerce, Internal
Combustion Engines, and Motorways. Blaming a
Dead Deer - which was after all the First Victim in
the tale - seems a bit strange.
The Defence Rests,
The Phantom Piper
I've done far worse.
(spelling, not bad sheep)
ah noo--you do miss the point, dear Piper:
the damn deer had no business being on the highway in the first place.
Had there been no deer, the truck would not have hit it.
Had the truck not hit it, the carcass would not have gone airborne,
etc. etc.
As in "for want of the nail, the shoe was lost" and so on and so on
JML
ya wee numptie
Really? Do go on, dear lady...
> the damn deer had no business being on the highway in the first place.
Hmmm... Don't you think, from the Deer's Point Of View,
that the Damned Highway had no business being where
it *hadn't been* for the previous 28,000,000+ Years?
> Had there been no deer, the truck would not have hit it.
Which was Here First: Deer, or Trucks/Highways - ?
> Had the truck not hit it, the carcass would not have
> gone airborne, etc. etc.
You mean: had the Truck not been there (where the Deer
have lived for ~28,000,000+ Years), that wouldn't have
happened either etc., etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer#Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligocene
> As in "for want of the nail, the shoe was lost" and so on and so on
Indeed.
> ya wee numptie
Not this time; no, I don't think so...
Time Is On My Side,
The Phantom Piper
You do realise, don't you, that the plural of "Deer" is "Deer" - ?
Oh, you do? Then you were just being deliberately
obtuse and contrary again? Alright, then, that's fine.
Confirming The Obvious,
The Phantom Piper
P.S.: I'm relatively certain that Jane neither needs
nor wants your, er - "help" - in making her case,
but then we both know that's not going to stop you,
don't we?
Och, those damned glaciers keep rearranging
the landscape, doncha know?
Deirdre
________________
To you I'm an atheist. To God, I'm the Loyal
Opposition.
Since you and others seem to be so dense you
just CAN'T understand the concept, I'll add this:
The Deer (plural, as in ALL DEER, EVER) have
dwelt upon this planet since BEFORE THERE
WERE HUMANS. IT'S *THEIR* FUCKING LAND.
The Motorways, on the other hand, were put there
LESS THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. Finally:
deer (plural, as in *ALL* Deer) are in fact remarkably
stupid; they are if anything, more stupid than Sheep.
Most are *probably* less stupid than a Canadian
Goose - although it's so close as to be a tossup.
If you knew someone who was killed in an airplane
crash due to a Bird Strike caused by Canadian
Geese being sucked into a jet turbine, would you
go on a pogrom against Canadian Geese? Really?
You would literally _blame the geese_?!?! "God
damned Geese!" I can hear you say, shaking your
fist at the sky, "How *dare* they Migrate and such
in the path of our wonderfully-designed Jet Aircraft!?"
> The issue is not which was there first. It is the simultaneity.
Yes - that's called "Misfortune." It's known as an
"Accident" or "Act Of God." It's _NOT_ some clever
plot on the point of the 28,000,000+ Year Old _Deer_
(plural, as in All Deer, *Forever*) to kill humans by
having their already-slaughtered carcasses thrown
into the windscreens of hapless Humans driving on
their Recently (in terms of Evolutionary Time) Invented
motorways.
But again: you know all this; you're just being a pillock.
(And a Bampot, as well!)
Spelling Out The _OBVIOUS_ (*Again*),
The Phantom Piper
How many times are you going to answer the
same post? Or to put it more simply: How
many more times are you going to publicly
demonstrate your cluelessness?
> Spelling Out The _OBVIOUS_ (*Again*),
No. Really? The obvious? You?
Deirdre
________________
I don't know what your problem is, but I'll
bet it's hard to pronounce.
Ummm - until such Ultra-Thick Planks such as
yourself and your bosom-buddy Braindead Fred
begin to get the picture?
> No. Really? The obvious? You?
Small children and blinkered wittolds require things
to be carefully and repetitively explained to them, in
order for those things to penetrate. Are you and Fred
Small Children? Oh, I see...
Having To Explain The Obvious *Again*,
The Phantom Piper
Not to mention Tectonic plates and the occasional volcano..................
Yes and just *who*, 'pulled the plug' on our dammed inland sea ? It would be
wonderful to be able to afford, some waterfront property, here in Canada.
cheers......Jeff