Scottland v England?????
Robert Peffers
Whatever kind of contest the Glasgow Rangers v Manchester United football
match the only true thing is it is, "a football match", for it most
certainly is not a Scotland v England contest.
There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The Rangers
certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but Rangers are
originally a Northern Irish supported team. Rangers manager is certainly a
Scot but so is Manchester United's. What a travesty to call it a Scotland v
England game. The best that could be claimed is a team foreigners that play
in the Scottish Premier League v a team of foreigners who play in the
English premier league who both happen to have Scots managers.
Should be a good game though.
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Allan Connochie
"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Frae Auld Bob Peffers.
> There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The Rangers
> certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but Rangers are
> originally a Northern Irish supported team.
I thought 'originally' Rangers were not connected with religion etc, but in
the early days as the Irish Catholic immigrants had Celtic as their team the
Irish Protestant immigrants veered towards Rangers!
cheers
Allan
Guig
> There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
> Rangers certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but
I believe that Rangers fielded a team with no Scots in it tonight. Celtic
still have a couple, Jackie McNamara (playing great this season) and Shaun
Maloney (great potential if given the right support)
--
Guig
GSF600SY Bandit - It's blue you know.
CBFA #1
Oh for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen.
Nor
> Robert Peffers wrote:
>> There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
>> Rangers certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but
>
> I believe that Rangers fielded a team with no Scots in it tonight.
> Celtic still have a couple, Jackie McNamara (playing great this
> season) and Shaun Maloney (great potential if given the right support)
They had no Scottish players till a sub came on
Nor
Robert Peffers
"Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
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That's what I meant. Id was not what it said on the tin. There were more
English players in the Rangers side than Scots and very few English players
in Manchester United's team. Perhaps the Office of fair trading could get
those fans who turned out to watch a, "Battle of Britain", "Scotland v
England", their money back?
Robert Peffers
"Nor" <Nore...@Nowayblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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They did have English players though. I remember many years ago a black
player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to stir up trouble
with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week solid when the letters
from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they did not care what colour
or religion he was as long as it wasn't catholic and/or green.
Kevin McM
>
> "Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
> news:106685827...@iris.uk.clara.net...
> > Robert Peffers wrote:
> > > There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
> > > Rangers certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but
> >
> > I believe that Rangers fielded a team with no Scots in it tonight.
Celtic
> > still have a couple, Jackie McNamara (playing great this season) and
Shaun
> > Maloney (great potential if given the right support)
> >
> > --
> > Guig
> > GSF600SY Bandit - It's blue you know.
> > CBFA #1
> >
> > Oh for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen.
> >
> >
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> That's what I meant. Id was not what it said on the tin. There were more
> English players in the Rangers side than Scots and very few English
players
> in Manchester United's team. Perhaps the Office of fair trading could get
> those fans who turned out to watch a, "Battle of Britain", "Scotland v
> England", their money back?
> --
Battle of Britain as in Scottish Champs v English Champs, nothing in the
rules that says a football team cannot buy and use the players it sees fit
for their squad even if it does turn around the make up of the first team
squad. Things have moved on and thats modern football for you. Doesnt mean
that you can conveniently erase the fact that until a handful of years ago
both Rangers and Celtic did field near full squads of indigenous players.
Rangers are a Scottish team, formed in Scotland, their history is without
question Scottish and play in a Scottish league.
If it was a company we were talk about that started in Scotland and opened
offices in New York and Australia for example, would be saying the same
about them if the constituent number of workers was less than say 50% ? I
doubt it. We would still refer to the original company as a Scottish
company. So whats different about the fact that its football teams we are
talking about ?
I dont doubt other teams would increase their foreigner count if they had
the money to do so. Dundee are another team who fall in to the same category
as the Rangesr/Celtic lack of Scottish players count. Aberdeen likewise a
few years ago had a fair old head count of foreigners. Its not a new
argument but I accept that football is a business and the business will
succeed by doing what it needs to do to survive, bring success, generate
income from a good European run etc.
Kevin.
CaledonC
Allan Connochie
"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> news:106685827...@iris.uk.clara.net...
> > Robert Peffers wrote:
> > > There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
> > > Rangers certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but
> >
> > I believe that Rangers fielded a team with no Scots in it tonight.
Celtic
> > still have a couple, Jackie McNamara (playing great this season) and
Shaun
> > Maloney (great potential if given the right support)
> >
> > --
> > Guig
> > GSF600SY Bandit - It's blue you know.
> > CBFA #1
> >
> > Oh for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen.
> >
> >
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> That's what I meant. Id was not what it said on the tin. There were more
> English players in the Rangers side than Scots and very few English
players
> in Manchester United's team
Not quite true. There were five players in the Man Utd side who I know are
English [Ferdinand, Scholes, Butt and the two Nevilles] plus of course
despite choosing Wales in the end Ryan Giggs is part English having even
captained England schools team.
Allan
Guig
> They did have English players though.
Michael Ball played, trying to think of another English player on the
Rangers team that played. Not sure of who was on the field since I support
the Forces of Light rather than the Forces of Darkness which inhabit
Ibrox.... :)
> I remember many years ago a
> black player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to stir
> up trouble with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week solid
> when the letters from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they
> did not care what colour or religion he was as long as it wasn't
> catholic and/or green.
Might have been Mark Walters, subjected to thrown bananas and monkey noises
from the usual neddish sections of football supporters and from all clubs
IIRC. The Mo Johnstone saga was funnier, it was funny *and* sad to watch the
seriously bigoted supporters tearing up their season tickets in front of the
cameras because they'd signed a Catholic.
Allan Connochie
"Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
> Robert Peffers wrote:
> > They did have English players though.
>
> Michael Ball played, trying to think of another English player on the
> Rangers team that played. Not sure of who was on the field since I support
> the Forces of Light rather than the Forces of Darkness which inhabit
> Ibrox.... :)
>
> > I remember many years ago a
> > black player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to stir
> > up trouble with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week solid
> > when the letters from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they
> > did not care what colour or religion he was as long as it wasn't
> > catholic and/or green.
>
> Might have been Mark Walters, subjected to thrown bananas and monkey
noises
> from the usual neddish sections of football supporters and from all clubs
> IIRC. The Mo Johnstone saga was funnier, it was funny *and* sad to watch
the
> seriously bigoted supporters tearing up their season tickets in front of
the
> cameras because they'd signed a Catholic.
True but of course Rangers have signed lots of Catholics since without the
adverse things though they have been foreign Catholics. How they'd take to
a Scot or an Irishman could be a different story. It's bonkers right
enough.
Allan
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
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> > They did have English players though.
>
> Michael Ball played, trying to think of another English player on the
> Rangers team that played. Not sure of who was on the field since I support
> the Forces of Light rather than the Forces of Darkness which inhabit
> Ibrox.... :)
>
> > I remember many years ago a
> > black player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to stir
> > up trouble with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week solid
> > when the letters from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they
> > did not care what colour or religion he was as long as it wasn't
> > catholic and/or green.
>
> Might have been Mark Walters, subjected to thrown bananas and monkey
noises
What I found really hilarious was that some enterprising entrepreneur
actually had the forsight to set up a streetstall to sell bananas outside
the grounds on the day of his debut. Must have made a fortune.
A W-S
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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Only boring people get bored.
So piss off and get bored somewhere else.
A W-S
Robert Peffers
"Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
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Nah! Lang time afore Mark Walters. IIRC late fifties early sixties.
Robert Peffers
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>
> "Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bn8ule$rt7$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
> > news:106685827...@iris.uk.clara.net...
>
> Battle of Britain as in Scottish Champs v English Champs, nothing in the
> rules that says a football team cannot buy and use the players it sees fit
> for their squad even if it does turn around the make up of the first team
> squad.
Yes Dear! I know!
It doesn't make it right though. What between their foreign imports, Wishes
to move to England and the big cash advantage the Auld Firm built up due to
the sectarianism thing which now enables them to have bigger pools of
players and thus a monopoly of the trophy situation. Rangers and Celtic have
ruined Scottish Football. I'm very glad to see the financial situation is
catching up with them A plague on both their houses. Get rid of them and
within a couple of season the other teams will get better support, boys will
be fitba daft again and they will be followers of their local teams. These
are the kind of kids we need to restore Scottish football. I have nothing
against the odd one or two foreign imports but when a So called Scottish
team turns out I expect it to have Scottish players.
> Things have moved on and thats modern football for you.
Yes Dear! I Know! It is also the reason I stopped attending football matches
some years age and I was a guy who never voluntarily missed a game home,
away, weekend or mid-week.
> Doesnt mean
> that you can conveniently erase the fact that until a handful of years ago
> both Rangers and Celtic did field near full squads of indigenous players.
Yes Dear! I Know! That is exactly my point.
> Rangers are a Scottish team, formed in Scotland, their history is without
> question Scottish and play in a Scottish league.
Yes Dear! I Know! That also does not alter the fact that they now show no
loyalty whatsoever to Scotland and wish to leave. We should throw them out,
NOW. Then, when they and Celtic are rejected by the English, and their
crowds get fed up watching Auld Firm games every week and they come back
cap-in hand, tell them to go and try Ireland
>
> If it was a company we were talk about that started in Scotland and opened
> offices in New York and Australia for example, would be saying the same
> about them if the constituent number of workers was less than say 50% ?
They are not opening branches abroad though. If it was Glasgow Rangers,
(Australian Branch), and playing in Aus that would be fine - They could farm
out players and get a return - but they're not.
> I
> doubt it. We would still refer to the original company as a Scottish
> company. So whats different about the fact that its football teams we are
> talking about ?
They do not wish to be part of the Scottish set-up, though. They want to go
elsewhere. So let's not wait for them to go. Let us throw them out now.
Soonest done soonest mended.
>
> I dont doubt other teams would increase their foreigner count if they had
> the money to do so. Dundee are another team who fall in to the same
category
> as the Rangesr/Celtic lack of Scottish players count.
Nothing wrong with the odd player or two but putting out teams without a
significant Scottish membership is a bit over the top.
> Aberdeen likewise a
> few years ago had a fair old head count of foreigners. Its not a new
> argument but I accept that football is a business and the business will
> succeed by doing what it needs to do to survive, bring success, generate
> income from a good European run etc.
The point is that the local talent was frittered away by the Auld firm. The
lack of local talent is because of the foreign influx not the other way
round. If the teams in the Scottish Premier League do not play a full part
in the Scottish Football Association by fostering talent at all levels of
the game then bye! bye! Scottish football.
In bygone days kids played football at school then, if good prospects,
signed as amateurs or juniors with teams often sponsored by big teams. No
first division players ever made it unless they had served their time
playing for a junior or amateur side. I remember such as Colin Stein being
farmed out for a spell with the juniors. It was around the time of such as
Peter Cormack and Pat Stanton when players started to come into teams right
from school. Take these couple of examples. Hutcheson Vale had a couple of
goalkeepers farmed out to them who both made it from, "Ma Bryson's", team
back to their First Division team and on to play for Scotland. Geordie Farm
and Big Tommy Younger. Not only that but the senior club got the youngsters
they had on their books apprenticeships outside football. Tommy Younger, for
example, served his time as a painter and decorator with my cousin Jim.
The point is that the players were nurtured from their school teams and this
was how the great players made it in those days. Now some other country is
raising the players and the big teams are buying them in.
So the players of the past went from school to juniors, to reserve team to
first team and had a trade to fall back on if they were put out through
injury or just did not make the grade. There is no such commitment to
bringing on Scottish talent by the big teams. Football is just like a
sewer - you only get out of it what you put into it and is you don't treat
it properly what comes out the other end is shite.
JackieMulheron
<co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
About 1912 - Home Rule Crisis. Celtic even had an Orangeman as a goalie in
their early years.
As for Rangers being Northern Irish there are probably some fans who'd like to
believe that but it's not true. Moses McNiel and his brother came from Rhu in
Dunbartonshire and they were originally called Argyle which may allude to
Campbell's origins.
Paul C
<tnnurse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <bnberi$qr8$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Guig" <yerawsittin@home> wrote in message
>> news:106694909...@ersa.uk.clara.net...
>> > Robert Peffers wrote:
>> > > They did have English players though.
>> >
>> > Michael Ball played, trying to think of another English player on the
>> > Rangers team that played. Not sure of who was on the field since I support
>> > the Forces of Light rather than the Forces of Darkness which inhabit
>> > Ibrox.... :)
>> >
>> > > I remember many years ago a
>> > > black player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to stir
>> > > up trouble with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week solid
>> > > when the letters from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they
>> > > did not care what colour or religion he was as long as it wasn't
>> > > catholic and/or green.
>> >
>> > Might have been Mark Walters, subjected to thrown bananas and monkey
>> noises
>> > from the usual neddish sections of football supporters and from all clubs
>> > IIRC.
>
>It only happened once and was a Rangers vs Hearts match.
>
>
>> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>> Nah! Lang time afore Mark Walters. IIRC late fifties early sixties.
>
>Giles Heron was one of the first Afro-Caribean black players in Britain.
>He played for Celtic '51-52 before moving to Third Lanark.
The world's first black international footballer represented Scotland
in the 1880s - Andrew Watson, born in Demerera (Guyana).
--
Paul
Allan Connochie
"JackieMulheron" <jackiem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3f97...@news.greennet.net>, "Allan Connochie"
> <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
>
> >"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:bn6gi9$lc1$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> Frae Auld Bob Peffers.
> >> There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
Rangers
> >> certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but Rangers are
> >> originally a Northern Irish supported team.
> >
> >I thought 'originally' Rangers were not connected with religion etc, but
in
> >the early days as the Irish Catholic immigrants had Celtic as their team
the
> >Irish Protestant immigrants veered towards Rangers!
>
> About 1912 - Home Rule Crisis. Celtic even had an Orangeman as a goalie in
> their early years.
Celtic have never restricted signings along religious lines as far as I
know, but we all know what the term 'Celtic minded' means. I say this as a
life long Celtic fan of Protestant background :-)
>
> As for Rangers being Northern Irish there are probably some fans who'd
like to
> believe that but it's not true. Moses McNiel and his brother came from Rhu
in
> Dunbartonshire and they were originally called Argyle which may allude to
> Campbell's origins.
Thanks that's what I thought just didn't know what the exact details were.
Allan
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Paul C" <pa...@thersgb.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >Giles Heron was one of the first Afro-Caribean black players in Britain.
> >He played for Celtic '51-52 before moving to Third Lanark.
>
> The world's first black international footballer represented Scotland
> in the 1880s - Andrew Watson, born in Demerera (Guyana).
>
That's interesting.
How did he come to be representing Scotland if he was born in Guyana?
Do you know the rest of the story?
Who owns the movie rights?
A W-S
Robert Peffers
"T N Nurse" <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <bnberi$qr8$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > news:106694909...@ersa.uk.clara.net...
> > > Robert Peffers wrote:
> > > > They did have English players though.
> > >
> > > Michael Ball played, trying to think of another English player on the
> > > Rangers team that played. Not sure of who was on the field since I
support
> > > the Forces of Light rather than the Forces of Darkness which inhabit
> > > Ibrox.... :)
> > >
> > > > I remember many years ago a
> > > > black player signing for Rangers and the Usual press attempts to
stir
> > > > up trouble with the fans over the signing. I laughed for a week
solid
> > > > when the letters from the Rangers fans ran along the lines that they
> > > > did not care what colour or religion he was as long as it wasn't
> > > > catholic and/or green.
> > >
> > > Might have been Mark Walters, subjected to thrown bananas and monkey
> > noises
> > > from the usual neddish sections of football supporters and from all
clubs
> > > IIRC.
>
>
>
> > Nah! Lang time afore Mark Walters. IIRC late fifties early sixties.
>
> He played for Celtic '51-52 before moving to Third Lanark.
My memory was Rangers were said to be signing an African player and there
were really laughable reports that the guy played his football in bare feet.
That is why it stuck in the mind. About that time I had a laugh and lost
interest in the daft story.
Guig
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Nah! Lang time afore Mark Walters. IIRC late fifties early sixties.
OK, Wisnae born then!!! :)
Paul C
http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gallery/awatson/default.html
Don't miss the link at the bottom of the page.
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Paul
Allan Connochie
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think he captained Scotland if the memory is working.
Allan
>
> A W-S
>
>
>
Paul C
He did.
Coincidentally, last night BBC4 repeated the beautifully researched
programme about him, made by Stuart Cosgrove for BBC Scotland.
The Beeb's guilt must have got the better of them. Soon after the
programme about Watson was shown on BBC Scotland, BBC (erm England)
showed a much-heralded programme, 'Black Flash', which purported to be
a history of black footballers in Britain. It signally failed to give
Watson the least mention. Last night they showed the Watson programme
followed by Black Flash.
However, the Scots got the last laugh. When Black Flash was first
shown, viewers were asked vote for the best-ever black footballer in
Britain.
The winner: Henrik Larssen :)
--
Paul
JackieMulheron
<co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
>"JackieMulheron" <jackiem...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20031024202915...@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> In article <3f97...@news.greennet.net>, "Allan Connochie"
>> <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
>>
>> >"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:bn6gi9$lc1$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >> Frae Auld Bob Peffers.
>> >> There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The
>Rangers
>> >> certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but Rangers are
>> >> originally a Northern Irish supported team.
>> >
>> >I thought 'originally' Rangers were not connected with religion etc, but
>in
>> >the early days as the Irish Catholic immigrants had Celtic as their team
>the
>> >Irish Protestant immigrants veered towards Rangers!
>>
>> About 1912 - Home Rule Crisis. Celtic even had an Orangeman as a goalie in
>> their early years.
>
>Celtic have never restricted signings along religious lines as far as I
>know,
For the team. The board was another matter - "fancy selling some pools for us
Jock?"
>but we all know what the term 'Celtic minded' means. I say this as a
>life long Celtic fan of Protestant background :-)
>
>> As for Rangers being Northern Irish there are probably some fans who'd like
to
>> believe that but it's not true. Moses McNiel and his brother came from Rhu
in
>> Dunbartonshire and they were originally called Argyle which may allude to
>> Campbell's origins.
>
>Thanks that's what I thought just didn't know what the exact details were.
This gives quite a good summation.
http://www.realmaroonfc.com/documents/feat_sectarianism_3.htm
There's been about 20 RC's who played for Rangers pre-1912 identified but since
team sheets were probably not kept to any great extent and religion wasn't
listed it's probably more.
Bazza007
The Gers will show Manchester United how to play football just like
Fulham did 2 weeks ago...WHO R WE RFC
Bazza007
kipper
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Allan Connochie
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I didn't realise that Fulham were that bad!! Rangers were awful last night.
They've just ruined a 20 year unbeaten run for Scottish teams on English
soil :-)
Allan
Allan Connochie
"kipper" <kip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone care?
Well yes - some do! The original suggestion was that Rangers were somehow
created by folks from Northern Ireland as an anti-Catholic team to rival
Celtic. This has been quite rightly disputed. Some folks are interested in
all aspects of Scottish culture and football is a big part of modern
Scottish culture as is religion. What's wrong with seeking the facts?
Allan
JackieMulheron
<co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
>"Bazza007" <La...@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> "Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:<bn6gi9$lc1$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers.
>> > Whatever kind of contest the Glasgow Rangers v Manchester United football
>> > match the only true thing is it is, "a football match", for it most
>> > certainly is not a Scotland v England contest.
>> >
>> > There are very few Scots and English players in either team. The Rangers
>> > certainly play in Scotland and United play in England but Rangers are
>> > originally a Northern Irish supported team. Rangers manager is certainly a
>> > Scot but so is Manchester United's. What a travesty to call it a Scotland
v
>> > England game. The best that could be claimed is a team foreigners that
play
>> > in the Scottish Premier League v a team of foreigners who play in the
>> > English premier league who both happen to have Scots managers.
>> >
>> > Should be a good game though.
>>
>> The Gers will show Manchester United how to play football just like
>> Fulham did 2 weeks ago...WHO R WE RFC
>
>I didn't realise that Fulham were that bad!! Rangers were awful last night.
>They've just ruined a 20 year unbeaten run for Scottish teams on English
>soil :-)
Well, if they keep on insisting to sing those songs what do you expect.
JackieMulheron
<kip...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Does anyone care?
You do. You took the time to spend several seconds of your life replying.
Robert Peffers
"kipper" <kip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Of course we care. Now the English teams might accept Rangers into the
English League system and get rid of them from Scottish football. Then if
Celtic went the same road we could enlarge the SPL to a reasonable number of
teams and start building up the support for the other teams in Scotland.
Then of course we cannot have foreign teams playing on Scottish soil,
(Perhaps Partick Thistle could pick up Ibrox stadium for a song). The
Rangers and Celtic fans would soon tire of every game being an away fixture
and go elsewhere for their football. They would not last very long anyway
when they got beat every other week.
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Robert Peffers
"Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
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Err no! The suggestion was not that they began as a Protestant team but that
they became the protestant team to rival Celtic in Glasgow. Furthermore all
the claims about catholic players was a bit misleading too. After the 'Gers
became the accepted protestant team Catholics were indeed not acceptable. I
played football as a lad and we always knew when any scouts were from the
Auld Firm. Their first question to any good player that took their eye was
always, "What school did ye gan tae laddie". Why did that matter when the,
"laddie", was over school age? What is more there were catholic players who
concealed their religion and were dropped after it was found out. Anyone who
attempts to conceal the fact that Rangers and Celtic spent most of their
time as the two teams of Billies and Tims is not being honest. Come on -
several thousand supporters singing the, "Soldiers Song", while waving Irish
Tricolours and several thousand others singing the "Sash My Father Wore",
while waving union flags with a red hand in the centre give the lie to that
story.
JackieMulheron
<b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>Then of course we cannot have foreign teams playing on Scottish soil,
>(Perhaps Partick Thistle could pick up Ibrox stadium for a song).
Who's the "we"? They'll carry on playing where they are just like Welsh teams
in the English league and Berwick in the Scottish League.
>The Rangers and Celtic fans would soon tire of every game being an away
fixture
>and go elsewhere for their football. They would not last very long anyway
>when they got beat every other week.
Might go for Rangers at their present performance but not with Celtic.
JackieMulheron
<b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>"Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
>>
>> "kipper" <kip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > Does anyone care?
>>
>> Well yes - some do! The original suggestion was that Rangers were somehow
>> created by folks from Northern Ireland as an anti-Catholic team to rival
>> Celtic. This has been quite rightly disputed. Some folks are interested
>in
>> all aspects of Scottish culture and football is a big part of modern
>> Scottish culture as is religion. What's wrong with seeking the facts?
>>
>> Allan
>> >
>> > "JackieMulheron" <jackiem...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > In article <3f9a...@news.greennet.net>, "Allan Connochie"
>> > > <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> writes:
>> > >
>> > > >"JackieMulheron" <jackiem...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > >> In article <3f97...@news.greennet.net>, "Allan Connochie"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
Your original statement in the 1st post to this thread was:
"but Rangers are originally a Northern Irish supported team."
Which was patently wrong if you read some of the above and look at the link I
provided.
I can see why Ian is well and truly rankled with your attitude and its been
rankling me as well. When ever you say something that is unfactual or plain
wrong instead of admitting you were wrong or, as some do on usenet, not
responding but never compounding it again in future, you steam on ahead as if
it is truth when it is fallacy.
But it's the patronising responses that rankle in particular with egotistical
claims of of proving others wrong and a dogmatic claim to say "we" as if you
speak on behalf of all of Scotland. It reminds me of Robert Henderson.
allan connochie
I can't understand this attitude. Celtic and Rangers can be blamed for many
things but being more succesful than all the other Scottish clubs and being
more attractive to supporters than all the other clubs is again not a crime.
If the Old Firm did go into the Premiership they would no doubt thrive in
the long run. There is no real reason to doubt this. They would still get
their 50,000 and 60,000 each week at their home games. In fact I imagine
the scramble for season tickets would be greater than ever if Man Utd,
Liverpool, and Arsenal were turning up instead of Thistle and Livvy. I'm
sorry but we're in the real world here. Personally I hope it doesn't happen
as I honestly believe the Scottish League itself would suffer over-all even
with a more open competition. All hypothetical of course.
Allan
John Mullen
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(snip)
I couldn't disagree more. The SPL would smell nicer and be much more
interesting without the two foreign flag teams to spoil it with their ugly
hatred and ethnic bigotry. Of course no other league in the world would take
them, sadly.
John
allan connochie
"John Mullen" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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I did say that Celtic and Rangers could be blamed for many things. However
being part of another league would not solve the said problems. The fact
remains that Ibrox and Parkhead would remain full every week and what would
be on offer would on the whole be a more attractive and exciting product.
The other clubs have simply failed miserably to compete. The rump league
would indeed be more interesting in one way as someone else would have a
chance of winning the thing. However in other ways it would 'to most
people' be a lot less interesting as the two major draws in the game would
be gone.
Allan