Scottish grandmother rises from the dead

[La N.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/grandmother-lorna-baillie-recovery-after-pronounced-dead_n_1307056.html?ref=good-news&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Do you think the same could happen with Phantom Piper?

- nilita

[Scotty]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:52:08 -0800, "La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/grandmother-lorna-baillie-recovery-after-pronounced-dead_n_1307056.html?ref=good-news&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
>
>Do you think the same could happen with Phantom Piper?
>
>- nilita

With all the intruders talking of civil wars or rugby makes one almost wish
for the return of PP and that other one...

Scott

[Mary]

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jijiae$5u6$1...@dont-email.me...

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/grandmother-lorna-baillie-recovery-after-pronounced-dead_n_1307056.html?ref=good-news&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
>
> Do you think the same could happen with Phantom Piper?

heh. Are you still waiting for PP to come back. Maybe one of these days he
will and make your day. You still have Adam. :>)

What a great story above about the grandmother on the above link.. Doctors
can be wrong sometimes. You never know what can happen. I am glad for her.
Sas only 49 and has a while to go yet. I hope she continues to improve.

Mary

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:nisqk79h4gu0qa4lt...@4ax.com...

:) -It would be a change if PP and the other one (whoever that is), if they
posted here again.

Mary

[Scotty]

Oh, Nil's favourite, the one whose name must not be mentioned :-)

Scott

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:29tqk7leoe14fgm1g...@4ax.com...

I think I already mentioned his name >:)

Mary

[Lesley Robertson]

"Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote in message
news:jijs5e$dp7$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I'd be glad to see PP back!
Make a nice change from the geographically challenged and the mental illness
stuff.
Lesley Robertson

Lesley Robertson

[conway caine]

"La N." wrote in message news:jijiae$5u6$1...@dont-email.me...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/grandmother-lorna-baillie-recovery-after-pronounced-dead_n_1307056.html?ref=good-news&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Do you think the same could happen with Phantom Piper?

***But Nilita. why would he ever want to????

[Mary]

"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
news:de4ae$4f4ded4a$83b4242b$10...@news1.tudelft.nl...

Come back Phantom and I'd like to see Auld Bob posting here again. They've
both been gone a long time. Time to come back again and post messages so we
know you're still around.

Mary

[Scotty]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:18:45 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:

>"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:29tqk7leoe14fgm1g...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:38:14 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:
>>
>>>"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:nisqk79h4gu0qa4lt...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:52:08 -0800, "La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/grandmother-lorna-baillie-recovery-after-pronounced-dead_n_1307056.html?ref=good-news&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think the same could happen with Phantom Piper?
>>>>>
>>>>>- nilita
>>>>
>>>> With all the intruders talking of civil wars or rugby makes one almost
>>>> wish
>>>> for the return of PP and that other one...
>>>
>>>:) -It would be a change if PP and the other one (whoever that is), if
>>>they
>>>posted here again.
>>>
>>>Mary
>>
>> Oh, Nil's favourite, the one whose name must not be mentioned :-)
>
>I think I already mentioned his name >:)
>
>Mary

Noooo, the other one - the anarchist hippy.
Scott

[Joe Makowiec]

On 29 Feb 2012 in soc.culture.scottish, Scotty wrote:

> Noooo, the other one - the anarchist hippy.

Nick Durie?

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
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[Scotty]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 00:06:35 +0000 (UTC), Joe Makowiec
<mako...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 29 Feb 2012 in soc.culture.scottish, Scotty wrote:
>
>> Noooo, the other one - the anarchist hippy.
>
>Nick Durie?

Geez.... no, the adorable anarchist hippie :-)

[La N.]

"Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote in message

news:jima8c$buv$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
> news:de4ae$4f4ded4a$83b4242b$10...@news1.tudelft.nl...
>>
>>

>> I'd be glad to see PP back!
>> Make a nice change from the geographically challenged and the mental
>> illness stuff.
>> Lesley Robertson
>
> Come back Phantom and I'd like to see Auld Bob posting here again. They've
> both been gone a long time. Time to come back again and post messages so
> we know you're still around.
>

Yes, I'm concerned about Auld Bob. I hope he and his wee dog are well.

- nil

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:2hetk71uislvt7ids...@4ax.com...

Adam? I already mentioned him by name.

Mary

[Mary]

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:jimi8b$k9g$1...@dont-email.me...

Yes he talked about his wee dog a lot and took the dog to hospitals and
nursing homes. I thought his posts were interesting. He liked to talk about
history and also his young days in Kelty and surrounding area and his walks
with the wee dog. Seems strange that nobody here has seen him around or
heard anything about him. He seems to have just disappeared.

Mary

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:2hetk71uislvt7ids...@4ax.com...

***The anarchist hippy what has more money than gawd??

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:j5htk7l82hdoliqgn...@4ax.com...

**Ah, the adorable hippy that predicted the imminent collapse of the
American economy.
BTW, the DOW broke through to 13,000, housing sales are climbing,
manufacturing jobs are up, and even more Brit pitchmen are arriving to crowd
out our indigenous TV hucksters.
"A prophet is not without honor save when his prophecies fail to come to
pass"

[conway caine]

"Mary" wrote in message news:jimqjs$fdp$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>

> Yes, I'm concerned about Auld Bob. I hope he and his wee dog are well.

Yes he talked about his wee dog a lot and took the dog to hospitals and
nursing homes. I thought his posts were interesting. He liked to talk about
history and also his young days in Kelty and surrounding area and his walks
with the wee dog. Seems strange that nobody here has seen him around or
heard anything about him. He seems to have just disappeared.

***Auld Bob certainly knew how to keep the pot stirred.
No shortage of posters when he was around.
I miss the lad. He had a look about him that, in spite of his fulminations,
indicated he'd be a staunch friend in times of trouble.

[La N.]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BIWdndtqCoFLFdLS...@giganews.com...

>
.
>
> ***Auld Bob certainly knew how to keep the pot stirred.
> No shortage of posters when he was around.
> I miss the lad. He had a look about him that, in spite of his
> fulminations, indicated he'd be a staunch friend in times of trouble.

I felt/feel that way about auld Bob too. That he had a big heart.

- nilita

[Scotty]

The same.
I remember him saying that drought in Oz was the new normal
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

but then...

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/03/sydneys-largest-dam-set-to-spill/

[...] for the first time since August 1998 when it was warmer.

[Mary]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BIWdndtqCoFLFdLS...@giganews.com...
>
>

At least he kept the pot stirred which was better than not stirred at all.
He had opinions about whatever the subject was. I agree Conway. I too got
the feeling you could count on him at times of trouble. I wish I knew if he
is doing OK and still taking his dog to visit people in nursing homes and
hospitals. A very selfless and kind thing to do to brighten their day. I did
a few searches on the Internet to see if he is around somewhere but didn't
find anything.

Mary

[Scotty]

The most recent mention was February 22nd, 2012 9:27pm
http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7668124/cameron-ducks-his-own-scottish-question.thtml

What don't you understand about Scotland and the Pound Sterling, The Bank
of England and independence,"R.G.Bargie"?
The Bank of England is NOT English - it was nationalised as the UNITED
KINGDOM state bank in 1945. As such it is partly Scottish. In 1998 Gordon
Brown made it a UK owned, independent company and it, not the UK
parliament, sets interest rates. Sterling was made Scotland's currency by
the Treaty of Union. Furthermore, when the treaty ends so does the UK
Parliament and England has no parliament. Go figure!

Sounds like I've heard it before :-)


Also and a few in between
Dec. 2011
http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html

Scott

[La N.]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:de60l7tlum2luviha...@4ax.com...

Scottie, go post your opinion on that site - and as a PS wave *hi* to Auld
Bob .. :)

- nil

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:de60l7tlum2luviha...@4ax.com...

That sounds like Auld Bob. The style of expressing himself. He likes to talk
about United Kingdom, Scottish, English, Treaty, etc.

> Sounds like I've heard it before :-)

You probably have :)

> Also and a few in between
> Dec. 2011
> http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html

>Scott

I found that link before which said December but I can't see any year. It
could be from an old year, not 2011. Where do you see 2011? Thanks for
searching Scott. Maybe he will post here again sometime. I miss his posts.
They were always entertaining and interesting with his Scottish poems and
stories of his old days.

Mary

[Mary]

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:jip7vl$r2n$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> "Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

<snipped some>

>> The most recent mention was February 22nd, 2012 9:27pm
>> http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7668124/cameron-ducks-his-own-scottish-question.thtml
>>
>> What don't you understand about Scotland and the Pound Sterling, The Bank
>> of England and independence,"R.G.Bargie"?
>> The Bank of England is NOT English - it was nationalised as the UNITED
>> KINGDOM state bank in 1945. As such it is partly Scottish. In 1998 Gordon
>> Brown made it a UK owned, independent company and it, not the UK
>> parliament, sets interest rates. Sterling was made Scotland's currency by
>> the Treaty of Union. Furthermore, when the treaty ends so does the UK
>> Parliament and England has no parliament. Go figure!
>>
>> Sounds like I've heard it before :-)
>>
>>
>> Also and a few in between
>> Dec. 2011
>> http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html
>>
>
> Scottie, go post your opinion on that site - and as a PS wave *hi* to Auld
> Bob .. :)

LOL. I wouldn't have thought of that. You mischief maker Nil :>)

Mary

[Scotty]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:32:34 -0800, "La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> The most recent mention was February 22nd, 2012 9:27pm
>> http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7668124/cameron-ducks-his-own-scottish-question.thtml
>>
>> What don't you understand about Scotland and the Pound Sterling, The Bank
>> of England and independence,"R.G.Bargie"?
>> The Bank of England is NOT English - it was nationalised as the UNITED
>> KINGDOM state bank in 1945. As such it is partly Scottish. In 1998 Gordon
>> Brown made it a UK owned, independent company and it, not the UK
>> parliament, sets interest rates. Sterling was made Scotland's currency by
>> the Treaty of Union. Furthermore, when the treaty ends so does the UK
>> Parliament and England has no parliament. Go figure!
>>
>> Sounds like I've heard it before :-)
>>
>>
>> Also and a few in between
>> Dec. 2011
>> http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html
>>
>
>Scottie, go post your opinion on that site - and as a PS wave *hi* to Auld
>Bob .. :)
>
>- nil

Nah, science, engineering or economics but not politics, no intelligence
required, a pox on all their houses.

I don't understand why anyone would want to be one, the salary is not that
great unless it's, "friends with benefits". Just see who benefits from the
installation of windmills - it's the "rent seekers" and the small people
have to pay extra in subsidies

As for the global warmingistas, nature is just not cooperating, the Jan.
temp. was first experienced in 1980, a few more days and we'll see the Feb.
figure.

Scott.

[Scotty]

I inserted the year because it didn't appear in the article but it appeared
in Google:
http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=CZdQT4meD4bG8QOzvLjxBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CCEQ_AU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710

http://tinyurl.com/83k3fwh

The incorrigible auld bugger is busy in the blogs:

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=blg&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=FZRQT7KvIsXv8APXiaHvBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&ved=0CCQQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710

http://tinyurl.com/82ljarb

He even shows up here, the first image:

http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=dplQT4uQCIW98gOv5cjwBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CB0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1124&bih=710

http://tinyurl.com/88c9btl

Which takes you to:
http://www.ian-stewart.eu/scs_gallery-3.php

>Thanks for searching Scott.

Can you tell that I have more time than I know what to do with? :-)

Scott

[conway caine]

"La N." wrote in message news:jiojk4$4du$1...@dont-email.me...

****Yeah, I finally figured out that gruff exterior was but a sham and was
designed to hide his true nature.
AULD BOB WHERE ARE YOU??????????????

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:e9rvk7h8ncm13tmba...@4ax.com...

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:31:17 -0500, "conway caine"

>"A prophet is not without honor save when his prophecies fail to come to
>pass"

The same.
I remember him saying that drought in Oz was the new normal
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

but then...

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/03/sydneys-largest-dam-set-to-spill/

[...] for the first time since August 1998 when it was warmer.

***If Adam is still with us, that will bring him out, kicking and
screaming...............

[conway caine]

"Mary" wrote in message news:jip4h1$c1n$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BIWdndtqCoFLFdLS...@giganews.com...
>

> ***Auld Bob certainly knew how to keep the pot stirred.
> No shortage of posters when he was around.
> I miss the lad. He had a look about him that, in spite of his
> fulminations, indicated he'd be a staunch friend in times of trouble.

At least he kept the pot stirred which was better than not stirred at all.
He had opinions about whatever the subject was. I agree Conway. I too got
the feeling you could count on him at times of trouble. I wish I knew if he
is doing OK and still taking his dog to visit people in nursing homes and
hospitals. A very selfless and kind thing to do to brighten their day. I did
a few searches on the Internet to see if he is around somewhere but didn't
find anything.

******Can anyone report a recent Auld Bob sighting???

[Scotty]

At Nil's request, I'm trying.... very trying.

Scott

[Mary]

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:jip7vl$r2n$1...@dont-email.me...

>
> "Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> The most recent mention was February 22nd, 2012 9:27pm
>> http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7668124/cameron-ducks-his-own-scottish-question.thtml
>>
>> What don't you understand about Scotland and the Pound Sterling, The Bank
>> of England and independence,"R.G.Bargie"?
>> The Bank of England is NOT English - it was nationalised as the UNITED
>> KINGDOM state bank in 1945. As such it is partly Scottish. In 1998 Gordon
>> Brown made it a UK owned, independent company and it, not the UK
>> parliament, sets interest rates. Sterling was made Scotland's currency by
>> the Treaty of Union. Furthermore, when the treaty ends so does the UK
>> Parliament and England has no parliament. Go figure!
>>
>> Sounds like I've heard it before :-)
>>
>>
>> Also and a few in between
>> Dec. 2011
>> http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html
>>
>
> Scottie, go post your opinion on that site - and as a PS wave *hi* to Auld
> Bob .. :)
>
> - nil

Nil, Scotty doesn't want to post a message above, but you could :>)

Mary

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:30 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:

>>>>> Yes he talked about his wee dog a lot and took the dog to hospitals
>>>>> and
>>>>> nursing homes. I thought his posts were interesting. He liked to talk
>>>>> about
>>>>> history and also his young days in Kelty and surrounding area and his
>>>>> walks
>>>>> with the wee dog. Seems strange that nobody here has seen him around
>>>>> or
>>>>> heard anything about him. He seems to have just disappeared.

When I click any of the above links I get Google which says: " Your search -
Robert Peffers - did not match any documents"

> The incorrigible auld bugger is busy in the blogs:

> http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=blg&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=FZRQT7KvIsXv8APXiaHvBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&ved=0CCQQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710
>
> http://tinyurl.com/82ljarb

I copied and pasted these into my browser and it said the same as above -
"No match".

> He even shows up here, the first image:
>
> http://www.google.co.za/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=dplQT4uQCIW98gOv5cjwBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CB0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1124&bih=710

> http://tinyurl.com/88c9btl

I can get the above two ok with pictures of various Robert Peffers.

> Which takes you to:
> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/scs_gallery-3.php

I've seen that picture above on Ian's site before.

>>Thanks for searching Scott.
>
> Can you tell that I have more time than I know what to do with? :-)

Don't you have a job?I

Some people like to do searches. I do a lot of Internet searches on various
subjects.

Mary

[Mary]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> ***Auld Bob certainly knew how to keep the pot stirred.
>> No shortage of posters when he was around.
>> I miss the lad. He had a look about him that, in spite of his
>> fulminations, indicated he'd be a staunch friend in times of trouble.
>
> At least he kept the pot stirred which was better than not stirred at all.
> He had opinions about whatever the subject was. I agree Conway. I too got
> the feeling you could count on him at times of trouble. I wish I knew if
> he
> is doing OK and still taking his dog to visit people in nursing homes and
> hospitals. A very selfless and kind thing to do to brighten their day. I
> did
> a few searches on the Internet to see if he is around somewhere but didn't
> find anything.
>
> ******Can anyone report a recent Auld Bob sighting???

Scotty posted this yesterday:

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:30 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:

>>>>> Yes he talked about his wee dog a lot and took the dog to hospitals
>>>>> and
>>>>> nursing homes. I thought his posts were interesting. He liked to talk
>>>>> about
>>>>> history and also his young days in Kelty and surrounding area and his
>>>>> walks
>>>>> with the wee dog. Seems strange that nobody here has seen him around
>>>>> or
>>>>> heard anything about him. He seems to have just disappeared.

The above message was posted on Feb.22,2012 a couple of weeks ago, so he's
around. Just not here :)

Mary

[Scotty]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=CZdQT4meD4bG8QOzvLjxBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CCEQ_AU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710
http://tinyurl.com/6vn9grz

>
>When I click any of the above links I get Google which says: " Your search -
>Robert Peffers - did not match any documents"
>
>> The incorrigible auld bugger is busy in the blogs:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=blg&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=FZRQT7KvIsXv8APXiaHvBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&ved=0CCQQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710

http://tinyurl.com/7gpfqzn

>
>I copied and pasted these into my browser and it said the same as above -
>"No match".

Sorry, fumble fingers... try again. Let me know. They should take you to a
Google results page where you can select likely URLs.

Scott

>> He even shows up here, the first image:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=dplQT4uQCIW98gOv5cjwBQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CB0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1124&bih=710

http://tinyurl.com/7ufcjc3

[Scotty]

>I can get the above two ok with pictures of various Robert Peffers.
>
>> Which takes you to:
>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/scs_gallery-3.php
>
>I've seen that picture above on Ian's site before.
>
>>>Thanks for searching Scott.
>>
>> Can you tell that I have more time than I know what to do with? :-)
>
>Don't you have a job?I

I retired 22 years ago. Now I sometimes push a Hoover or wash the dishes...

Scott

[Scotty]

Sorry, should be "I retired 12 years ago. Now I sometimes push a Hoover or

[Scotty]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:03:37 +0200, Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>As for the global warmingistas, nature is just not cooperating, the Jan.
>temp. was first experienced in 1980, a few more days and we'll see the Feb.
>figure.

The Feb. figure for the mean global temperature is now out - down by 0.03C
giving us a temperature of - 0.12C with respect to the long term historic
average.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

[La N.]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:d7e2l7h0qtkr6lbhi...@4ax.com...

That's the spirit!

- nil

[La N.]

"Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote in message news:jirq3o$6lo$1...@dont-email.me...

> "conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >

> The above message was posted on Feb.22,2012 a couple of weeks ago, so he's
> around. Just not here :)
>

And news that someone is *not* dead is always good news around these parts
...:)

- nil

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:d7e2l7h0qtkr6lbhi...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:25:43 -0500, "conway caine"
>

>***If Adam is still with us, that will bring him out, kicking and
>screaming...............

At Nil's request, I'm trying.... very trying.

****I guess Adam is now too deep into the good life.................

[conway caine]

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
news:qvv2l7dbqft4vfklg...@4ax.com...

Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Sorry, should be "I retired 12 years ago. Now I sometimes push a Hoover or
>

Herbert or J. Edgar?

****My Hoover disintegrated yesterday and after only two years service.
They don't build them like they used to..............

[S Viemeister]

I've had a Dyson for over 15 years, and it's still working beautifully.

[conway caine]

"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:9rfgle...@mid.individual.net...

On 3/3/2012 4:22 PM, conway caine wrote:
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
>

> ****My Hoover disintegrated yesterday and after only two years service.
> They don't build them like they used to..............

I've had a Dyson for over 15 years, and it's still working beautifully.

***We purchased an Electrolux as a replacement.
The blessed Dysons are VERY expensive.

[Scotty]

The hoover that I push isn't a Hoover, it's an LG. A few years ago we
needed to replace the Electrolux, I think. In the interests of peace and
tranquility, I didn't accompany the DB, I just push whatever is thrust into
my hands but I was impressed with what she came back with. It has a
cyclone, like the Dysons, that traps most of the dirt but then it has a
washable HEPA filter, no more filter bags, just rinse it off under a
faucet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA H13, very impressed, almost clean room
standards. It also has a 1.6kW motor that sucks everything in sight and it
was near the bottom of the price range, or so I was told.

The poor Yurps are shortly going to be restricted to 500/750 W motors. It's
called "Demand Side Management".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7996383/Europe-to-cut-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html
"The cuts, it claims, would help save enough electricity to power 2.3
million homes." Apparently their windmills are struggling to drive a
standard hoover... <shakes head>

Scott

[Scotty]

I just heard reported on TV that Sydney just had it's coldest summer in 15
years.

Even Adam should be embarrassed but then he is "Shameless".

It must be bad if even the Guardian are getting nervous:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/05/rajendra-pachauri-hacked-climate-science-emails

Scott

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:00s7l79rgf912fdco...@4ax.com...

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:02:32 -0500, "conway caine"
>

>"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:9rfgle...@mid.individual.net...

>"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
>>
>> ****My Hoover disintegrated yesterday and after only two years service.
>> They don't build them like they used to..............
>
>I've had a Dyson for over 15 years, and it's still working beautifully.
>
>***We purchased an Electrolux as a replacement.
>The blessed Dysons are VERY expensive.

The hoover that I push isn't a Hoover, it's an LG. A few years ago we
needed to replace the Electrolux, I think. In the interests of peace and
tranquility, I didn't accompany the DB, I just push whatever is thrust into
my hands but I was impressed with what she came back with. It has a
cyclone, like the Dysons, that traps most of the dirt but then it has a
washable HEPA filter, no more filter bags, just rinse it off under a
faucet.

***One small problem that we did not notice when we purchased the
replacement.
It is not self propelled.
Anyway, Hoovers ain't Hoovers anymore.
I wonder in what part of East Feckistan the modern Hoover is manufactured?

[conway caine]

"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message

news:vra8l7toa8lkgltkd...@4ax.com...


Sounds like the mess we made here with 'low-flow toilets'. They only
use 70% as much water, but you have to flush them 2-3 times. Same
here, I bet. Lower powered motors, but you're going to have to vacuum
longer to get things clean, so you'll ACTUALLY use more power.

****There's also the problem that the new "Water Saving" toilets won't flush
out the crap the way the older models did.
I'm amazed that some enterprising young person hasn't designed and marketed
some sort of gizmo that restores toilets to their original efficiency.

[Scotty]

Didn't Electrolux recently move their factory to Mexico?
Scott

[Charles Ellson]

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:01:55 +0200, Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:59:54 -0700, Fred J. McCall <fjmc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>
>>Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The poor Yurps are shortly going to be restricted to 500/750 W motors. It's
>>>called "Demand Side Management".
>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7996383/Europe-to-cut-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html
>>>"The cuts, it claims, would help save enough electricity to power 2.3
>>>million homes." Apparently their windmills are struggling to drive a
>>>standard hoover... <shakes head>
>>>
>>

>>Sounds like the mess we made here with 'low-flow toilets'. They only
>>use 70% as much water, but you have to flush them 2-3 times. Same
>>here, I bet.
>

If that is the type that cannot deliver a full flush with one pull
then AFAICT they are not allowed in the UK although it seems that US
khasis depend on a syphon effect rather than "wash down" as in the UK
:-
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Leisure/eweph_1597545.pdf
<snip>

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:g2lal7d87r9f12sv8...@4ax.com...

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:30:52 -0500, "conway caine"

>Anyway, Hoovers ain't Hoovers anymore.
>I wonder in what part of East Feckistan the modern Hoover is manufactured?

Didn't Electrolux recently move their factory to Mexico?

***Certainly possible.

[Bryn Fraser]

That sucks!

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Isn't it wonderful how many companies have become such '_good_corporate
citizens' of the world, by creating so many jobs in *third world nations* ?
And at practically no cost to us too !
And isn't it wonderful that our respective governments can keep on finding
tax reductions for these *worldly* corporations of ours, as they find ever
more jobs to move offshore because *our* workers don't require them anymore
! Phuck, I get all warm and cuddly just thinking about it.....I'm just
saying....

cheers....Jeff

[Mary]

"La N." <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jitnc9$v80$1...@dont-email.me...

haha. yes. I guess so. I guess you're not interested in "political"
discussions to wave to Auld Bob? :>) I'm not either. I think the subject was
UK political issues. I don't know much about that. At least we know Bob is
still around and hopefully he and his wee dog still visit hospitals and
nursing homes. A very worthwhile thing to do.

Mary

[Mary]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:3omdnU7it4OGU8nS...@giganews.com...

My mother used to call all vacuum cleaners Hoovers no matter what the make
or she would say "I am going to hoover". It almost became an accepted word
in the dictionary, as many people mentioned they bought a new "Hoover"
whatever make it was. Its a bit like "kleenex" which is a brand name and
lots of people say "give me a kleenex" when its another brand. At least
thats what people I know say.

Mary

[Mary]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:OfadnWi45vglU8nS...@giganews.com...

I bought a new toilet a few months ago or I wouldn't know anything about
amount of water toilets have been mandated to use now where I am located. In
Home Depot here they only sell 4.8 litres toilets or 6 liters. You can't buy
any toilet with more water for flushing than that in any store in Toronto
and probably all of Ontario. I was told that a couple of years ago you could
buy 10 or maybe it was 12 litre toilets, but the Ontario government said
toilets don't need all that water and manufacturers could only make 4.8
litre or 6 litres maximum. I got the 6 litre model and it works fine. One
flush is always enough. There is a government energy rebate allowed if you
buy a toilet that is 4.8 or 6 litre. I haven't tried to get it as I looked
up the necessary requirements. I thought it said you have to get a properly
licensed plumber or renovator to install it and getting a friend to install
it wouldn't qualify, but I have to look into it more.

Mary

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:15s2l71fqq3859isv...@4ax.com...

<snip>

>>>Don't you have a job?I

>
> Sorry, should be "I retired 12 years ago. Now I sometimes push a Hoover or

> wash the dishes..."

At least you keep busy hoovering and dishwashing. Very worthwhile
endeavours, and 12 years sounds better than 22 :>)

Mary

[Mary]

Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:nuq2l7tdc0m6tsk8b...@4ax.com...

<snipped some>

>>>>> http://www.mombu.com/culture/scotland/t-just-a-thought-11237046.html
>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>I found that link before which said December but I can't see any year.
>>>>It
>>>>could be from an old year, not 2011. Where do you see 2011?
>>>
>>> I inserted the year because it didn't appear in the article but it
>>> appeared
>>> in Google:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=
TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en
&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=CZdQT4meD4bG8QOzvLjxBQ&sa=X&oi
=mode_link&ct=mode&ved=0CCEQ_AU&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=710
> http://tinyurl.com/6vn9grz
>
>>
>>When I click any of the above links I get Google which says: " Your
>>search -
>>Robert Peffers - did not match any documents"
>>
>>> The incorrigible auld bugger is busy in the blogs:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Robert+Peffers&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&biw=1124&bih=710&tbm=dsc&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=
TJNQT86RIYSzhAfzlZTLCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CDgQ_AUoBA&prmdo=1#q=Robert+Peffers&hl=
en&newwindow=1&safe=off&gl=za&prmdo=1&tbm=blg&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&ei=FZRQT7KvIsXv8APXiaHvBQ&sa=X&oi=
mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&ved=0CCQQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=859de0bf87dde55c&biw=1124&bih=
710
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7gpfqzn
>
>>
>>I copied and pasted these into my browser and it said the same as above -
>>"No match".
>
> Sorry, fumble fingers... try again. Let me know. They should take you to
> a
> Google results page where you can select likely URLs.

Whether I copy and paste the full website or the tinyurl, theyare both the
same as before which is a google page with his name in the search box, but
when I click on it nothing happens. I can get the Mombu message you gave me
the URL for, but it has no year confirmation, but the one you found from the
Spectator.co.uk site has a year and date, so is more confirmed. I think the
one from Mombu could be from a previous year. They should put the year the
message was posted. But the one from the Spectator.uk site seems to confirm
a message posted is from Auld Bob, so we know he's still around and don't
need to know about Mombu with their "no year" posts.


Mary

[Scotty]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:08:08 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:

>> http://tinyurl.com/7gpfqzn
>>
>>>I copied and pasted these into my browser and it said the same as above -
>>>"No match".
>>
>> Sorry, fumble fingers... try again. Let me know. They should take you to
>> a
>> Google results page where you can select likely URLs.
>
>Whether I copy and paste the full website or the tinyurl, theyare both the
>same as before which is a google page with his name in the search box, but
>when I click on it nothing happens. I can get the Mombu message you gave me
>the URL for, but it has no year confirmation, but the one you found from the
>Spectator.co.uk site has a year and date, so is more confirmed. I think the
>one from Mombu could be from a previous year. They should put the year the
>message was posted. But the one from the Spectator.uk site seems to confirm
>a message posted is from Auld Bob, so we know he's still around and don't
>need to know about Mombu with their "no year" posts.
>
>Mary

Sorry, must be because I'm still using XP. I just clicked on the TinyURL
above and found this:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7692898/salmond-chooses-the-brownite-way.thtml
Robert Peffers
March 6th, 2012 11:04am

In his inimitable style :-)

You'll have to scroll way down in the comments till you find his name.

Scott

[Mary]

"Scotty" <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5jadl79rfss9tl0l3...@4ax.com...

I don't think it would be because you are stil using XP. I am still using it
to and so are a lot of people :>) It may be because I am using Internet
explorer 7.0 though I don't think so because I've always been able to get
any other URL'S I get from people. I tried Explorer 8 but things got messed
up when I tried to cut out some of the junk. I guess I cut out too much
junk. so I went back to Explorer 7 for now. It's Mombu's fault for not
putting the year on their posts :). In the last message I sent to you
earlier, I couldn't get it to go through as it kept saying "too many lines
are over 79 characters which were your URL'S. I guess my usual news server
doesn't accept lines over 79 characters. They can be a bit fussy, but its a
good news server. I shortened the lines of the URL'S but it still didn't
accept the post. Grrrrr. I ended up using my backup news server. At least
you got my message OK the second time and will use Eternal-september
news server which I like as well.

> In his inimitable style :-)

It must be him for sure. Nobody else has such passion when writing about
politics and history. He sounds like he's enjoying the topic and gets very
involved in the subject. I hope he posts here sometime again as he keeps
things going and he sometimes writes about Dunfermline my home town which I
like to hear about as he lives close by.

> You'll have to scroll way down in the comments till you find his name.

Found it. Thanks for the link. It's a very recent message.

Mary

[conway caine]

"Bryn Fraser" wrote in message
news:25597538.2826.1331064447485.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11...

***So does the sound of many of our manufacturing jobs whizzing off to cheap
labor countries.
However, as the wage scale here continues to drop and the wage scale in
foreign countries continues to rise, some jobs are starting to return.
I sense a return to the days of serfs and forelock
tugging.........................

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jj5tod$4q7$1...@dont-email.me...

Isn't it wonderful how many companies have become such '_good_corporate
citizens' of the world, by creating so many jobs in *third world nations* ?
And at practically no cost to us too !
And isn't it wonderful that our respective governments can keep on finding
tax reductions for these *worldly* corporations of ours, as they find ever
more jobs to move offshore because *our* workers don't require them anymore
! Phuck, I get all warm and cuddly just thinking about it.....I'm just
saying....

*****And the greedy gits fail to realize if they beggar the American
workers, who will buy their imported junk?

[conway caine]

"Mary" wrote in message news:jj65si$6i0$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

My mother used to call all vacuum cleaners Hoovers no matter what the make
or she would say "I am going to hoover". It almost became an accepted word
in the dictionary, as many people mentioned they bought a new "Hoover"
whatever make it was. Its a bit like "kleenex" which is a brand name and
lots of people say "give me a kleenex" when its another brand. At least
thats what people I know say.

****The same with "Frigidaire"
"Go get me a coke out of the Fridge"
Many companies have attempted to guard their brand name against this but
with little to show for their efforts.
Another example" Scotch Tape"

[Mary]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:ZtmdnYWTbo7j7srS...@giganews.com...

It's always been fridge here and scotch tape as far back as I know. I think
people will call them scotch tape, fridge and kleenex forever. You made me
go and check my scotch tape dispenser which I've never paid much attention
to and on the dispenser for the Scotch brand tape it says "Scotch" tape and
even has a red tartan design on it.You might think it was made in Scotland,
but its made bty 3M in the U.S. I have no-name tape which says "Invisible"
tape and hard to believe,but it says "Product of Canada" - you don't see
that much these days. Whatever kind it is, it's still called "Scotch tape".

Mary

[conway caine]

"soupdragon" wrote in message
news:XnsA00FCCF2C...@news.datemas.de...

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in

news:ZtmdnYWTbo7j7srS...@giganews.com:

> ****The same with "Frigidaire"
> "Go get me a coke out of the Fridge"

Eh no. Fridge is short for refridgerator.
Shortform of Fridgidaire is Frigid.

****Perhaps in your land...........................

[Scotty]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:53:13 -0500, "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd.> wrote:

>
>> In his inimitable style :-)
>
>It must be him for sure. Nobody else has such passion when writing about
>politics and history. He sounds like he's enjoying the topic and gets very
>involved in the subject. I hope he posts here sometime again as he keeps
>things going and he sometimes writes about Dunfermline my home town which I
>like to hear about as he lives close by.
>
>> You'll have to scroll way down in the comments till you find his name.
>
>Found it. Thanks for the link. It's a very recent message.
>
>Mary

He is certainly passionate, I picture him hunched over his computer,
feverishly pounding the keyboard with a grin on his face. But that is
unkind. He certainly has a few 'hot-button' topics - SNP, Independence,
Nuclear, Race and attracts a lot of abuse but he is still alive and
enegized and living in Kelty.
http://groups.google.com/group/can.taxes/browse_thread/thread/1db5fb4d53868b13/4e24560e8ca291dd

And when he is being emphatic, he signs himself as:
"-Robert James (Auld Bob) Peffers"

He does get aroung though:
http://www.hightv.de/showthread.php?t=18655&page=2 a German newsgroup?
Whats he got against us?

Oh, and critical of 'Yanks'
http://www.photography-forums.com/want-see-shf-fm-video-signals-t87865p3.html
"Yer banging your head on a wall - Yanks don't do irony".

Anyway, he's 'good people' but I find politics more boring than global
warming unless I'm poking Adam or other alarmists :-)

If you want to follow the life and times of Robert James (Auld Bob)
Peffers:
Get to Google, type in Robert Peffers, a column appears on the left of the
window, on my setup, the top one, highlighted in red is "Everything" and
"more" at the bottom.

Click on "More", and select, "Blogs". The above URL was found by selecting
"Discussions"

Long life Bob.

Scott

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

I think it'll be a few more rounds of firings and layoffs before that
happens, conway.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Honestly, they don't care, it won't happen in their time so why should they
worry about it. They'll be rich and so they'll be financially insulated from
the cares and woes of the poorer peoples. It is very much like a return to
earlier, simpler times and _NOT_ for the better.

cheers....Jeff

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jj9gg6$5jh$1...@dont-email.me...

conway caine wrote:
> "Bryn Fraser" wrote in message
>

> ***So does the sound of many of our manufacturing jobs whizzing off
> to cheap labor countries.
> However, as the wage scale here continues to drop and the wage scale
> in foreign countries continues to rise, some jobs are starting to
> return. I sense a return to the days of serfs and forelock
> tugging.........................

I think it'll be a few more rounds of firings and layoffs before that
happens, conway.

****Who knows, perhaps our "International" companies may just have an
epiphany.

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jj9gnu$6k8$1...@dont-email.me...

conway caine wrote:
>
> *****And the greedy gits fail to realize if they beggar the American
> workers, who will buy their imported junk?

Honestly, they don't care, it won't happen in their time so why should they
worry about it. They'll be rich and so they'll be financially insulated from
the cares and woes of the poorer peoples. It is very much like a return to
earlier, simpler times and _NOT_ for the better.

****A "let them eat cake" mindset???

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Oh I'm pretty sure they know cake's not on the menu, conway, with these
nasty b*$t*rd$ it's more a case of "learn to be grateful, see, we've left
you some crumbs, enjoy" !

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

I think the only way the "International companies" will have an epipheny, is
if it forced upon them and to do that, it's going to have to be forced upon
the politicians first and foremost !

I believe it'll probably take a combination of a major war and/or a world
wide depression, followed by massive and sustained public protests, which
could easily degenerate into violence on both sides.
The violence and reciprocation of such would lead to further escalation.
Lets be candid, parents are going to start joining and supporting the
protests once they start seeing their kids who's outrage and anger they
support, start to get battered around by what they consider the oppressors.
I don't foresee this happening quite yet though, a large enough segment of
the populace haven't yet to reached their limit of endurance for the
continued and ongoing corruption.

cheers......Jeff

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jjeqt5$e68$1...@dont-email.me...

conway caine wrote:
>>
>> *****And the greedy gits fail to realize if they beggar the American
>> workers, who will buy their imported junk?
>
> Honestly, they don't care, it won't happen in their time so why
> should they worry about it. They'll be rich and so they'll be
> financially insulated from the cares and woes of the poorer peoples.
> It is very much like a return to earlier, simpler times and _NOT_ for
> the better.
> ****A "let them eat cake" mindset???

Oh I'm pretty sure they know cake's not on the menu, conway, with these
nasty b*$t*rd$ it's more a case of "learn to be grateful, see, we've left
you some crumbs, enjoy" !

****Yeah, they really seized on the "Trickle Down" theory.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

It's quite amazing how man people actually think that the "Trickle Down"
theory, actually worked. Oh well.....

cheers....Jeff

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jjhdjk$emg$1...@dont-email.me...

conway caine wrote:
>
> ****Yeah, they really seized on the "Trickle Down" theory.


It's quite amazing how man people actually think that the "Trickle Down"
theory, actually worked. Oh well.....

*****Well, the plutocrats failed to mention what actually would be trickling
down.............
Once again I am reminded of Harry S. Truman who said
"How many times do you need to get hit in the head with a hammer?"

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:YfidnYu2Nbc5XMHS...@giganews.com...

As many times as it takes to drive the point home ? :)

You know, conway, I do wonder will the OWS movement pick up where it left
off in 2011.
With this being an election year, I believe there is a real possibility that
it may well get restarted.
And if it does it may make for some very interesting times, especially for
some of those bankers who must be sweating bullets in anticipation of their
getting caught up in any possible investigation of perported financial
wrongdoings by them and their bosses.
CBS and 60 minutes had a pretty good investigative episode of, I believe,
two large financial companies engaging in what appeared to be widespread
systematic corruption and I do wonder if the American government is looking
into those allegations, or are very powerful sources trying their best to
get it all hushed up.

cheers....Jeff

[conway caine]

"Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote in message news:jjjknb$766$1...@dont-email.me...

"conway caine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:YfidnYu2Nbc5XMHS...@giganews.com...

You know, conway, I do wonder will the OWS movement pick up where it left
off in 2011.
With this being an election year, I believe there is a real possibility that
it may well get restarted.
And if it does it may make for some very interesting times, especially for
some of those bankers who must be sweating bullets in anticipation of their
getting caught up in any possible investigation of perported financial
wrongdoings by them and their bosses.
CBS and 60 minutes had a pretty good investigative episode of, I believe,
two large financial companies engaging in what appeared to be widespread
systematic corruption and I do wonder if the American government is looking
into those allegations, or are very powerful sources trying their best to
get it all hushed up.

***As President Obama put it "Wall Street just isn't getting the message"
(or words to that effect).
Reregulate the industry, I say................

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

And the news just keeps getting worse for Scotty's honourable banking
friends. :-)

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/11/markets/bondcenter/interest-rate-manipulation/index.htm

*Big banks at center of interest rate probe*

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- It affects everything from mortgages to credit cards
to student loans, and now some of the world's biggest banks are at the
center of a criminal investigation into whether they manipulated it for
their own benefit.

The London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor, is a measure of the cost of
borrowing between banks that serves as a benchmark for over $350 trillion
worth of financial products worldwide.
Higher Libor rates translate into higher borrowing costs for businesses and
consumers, while lower rates could make lenders reluctant to lend since they
can't charge as much in interest. In addition to consumer loans, certain
bonds and interest rate swaps also use it as a benchmark.

With all the different loans and investments tied to Libor, there are
serious consequences if the process is tampered with.

"If you move it even a little bit, it can cause massive redistribution of
resources because it's so extensively used," said Rosa Abrantes-Metz, a
professor at New York University's Stern School of Business and a former
economist with the Federal Trade Commission.

Last week, the Justice Department said in a letter to a federal judge that
it was conducting a criminal investigation of alleged Libor manipulation.
Officials in Switzerland, Canada and the United Kingdom are also looking
into the issue, according to disclosures in several banks' public filings."

cont........



If there is some good news to come out of this, the Europeans are much more
likely to jail the high priced help from these outfits. We'll just have to
see what developes...

cheers....Jeff

[Custos Custodum]

Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ll0cm7hi50a8ggbht...@4ax.com:

> Soldiering on...
>
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:56:52 +0000 (UTC), soupdragon <m...@privacy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:a618l7levkq7bfuss...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>>Rather interesting that James Dyson says "Bigger motors don't equal
>>>>better performance. In fact they symbolise outmoded ineffective
>>>>design. " They've brought out a 650 watt cleaner.
>>>
>>> He would say that, wouldn't he.
>>
>>Well, car design would seem to bear him out.
>
> My comment was directed at James Dyson's comment, "developing new
> technology required to improve efficiency can take years".
>
> The efficient motors exist, they just need to change to them.
> The Tesla motor does very well with efficiency in the 85+% range.
>
> They have to be, given the real problem with batteries.
> http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/tesla-roadsters-can-become-
b
> ricked-cost-40000-to-fix.html
> http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/03/fisker-karma-resistant-not-
i
> mmune-to-bricking.html
> http://thebizoflife.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-brick-100k-fisker-
karma
> .html
>
> http://townhall.com/columnists/stephensmoot/2012/03/16/the_doe_helps_f
i
> refighters_combat_volt_fires/page/2 "General Motors also warns that
> "cutting these cables can result in serious injury or death."
> Hence the need for spending $4.4 million in taxpayer money to train
> firefighters across the country to protect themselves from a car that
> the government paid people $7,500 per unit to purchase."
>
> And spontaneously combust weeks after an accident.
> Lithium in the presence of water, burns with almost the same heat as
> Thermite

No it doesn't. Lithium reacts less vigorously with water than do either
sodium or potassium. It doesn't even get hot enough to melt. Flooding
the area with water is usually the recommended way to tackle a lithium
fire.

[conway caine]

"Scotty" wrote in message
news:ll0cm7hi50a8ggbht...@4ax.com...

Soldiering on...

Ah well, we are saving the planet...

***Now that the US has discovered (and is extracting) vast quantities of
natural gas, I thought there would be major efforts to manufacture/convert
cars to burn this fuel.
Probably more money to be made selling it to the Yurps and Chinese.
(Look out Russia)

[Scotty]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:13:24 +0000 (UTC), Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net>

wrote:

>Scotty <spsc...@gmail.com> wrote in

>news:ll0cm7hi50a8ggbht...@4ax.com:
>
>> Soldiering on...

>> And spontaneously combust weeks after an accident.
>> Lithium in the presence of water, burns with almost the same heat as
>> Thermite
>
>No it doesn't. Lithium reacts less vigorously with water than do either
>sodium or potassium. It doesn't even get hot enough to melt. Flooding
>the area with water is usually the recommended way to tackle a lithium
>fire.

As always, it depends...

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA238154
"Solid lithium reacts rather slowly with water (Reference 5),"

"Bulk solid lithium at room temperature did not burn spontaneously in
water, and the hydrogen formed did not ignite in air. When a pea-sized
piece of lithium was dropped into a container of water, it reacted much
more slowly than did sodium, and it did not splatter or evolve light. A
solid piece of lithium when immersed in liquid water at room temperature
retained its original shape, but decreased slowly in size as it reacted
with the water. A 3/8-inch sphere of lithium immersed in 250 em8 of water
at ambient temperature in either air or argon atmosphere became warm (98 to
103'C), and the temperature of a 3S-inch sphere of lithium immersed in
water/Ice slurry in an air atmosphere, where the water volume > > lithium
volume, rose to approximately 40"C. In boiling water under an argon
atmosphere, solid lithium reacted without combustion.

These examples demonstrate the effectiveness of the surrounding water as a
heat sink".

"Lithium reacts with water but it does not ignite unless the metal is
finely divided (Reference 12).
When a 40-gram sample of lithium was ignited, it attained a flame
temperature of 1350C (Reference 67)."

"When the metal burns strongly, RH.90% the flame is dazzling white
(References 1, 15, 29), and the reaction of lithium vapor with air forms an
intense white flame (Reference 42) that is brighter than any of the other
alkali metal fires (Reference 36).

The combustion of lithium in air involves the reactions of lithium with
both oxygen and nitrogen, and these reactions are influenced by the
presence of moisture. This review described the known information regarding
these reactions. A lithium fire in air burns brilliantly white and emits
substantial aerosol consisting primarily of lithium oxide, hydroxide, and
carbonate, while the combustion residue consists of lithium oxide, nitride,
and hydroxide. Many substances were tried as extinguishants for lithium
fires; the most effective ones appear to be various forms of carbon."

CONCLUSIONS
"The combustion of lithium in air involves the reactions of lithium with
both oxygen and nitrogen, and these reactions are influenced by the
presence of moisture." Halon is ineffective.

Lithium batteries have been implicated in two fatal airplane crashes.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/nov/26/feds-probe-new-battery-fires-in-chevrolet-volt/?page=2#article
"The Federal Aviation Administration issued a warning to airlines about the
potential for fires in cargo containing lithium-ion and non-rechargeable
lithium metal batteries after a United Parcel Service plane crashed near
Dubai last year, killing both pilots. The plane, which was on fire, was
carrying thousands of lithium batteries.

Incorrectly packaged, damaged or overheated batteries can catch fire, the
FAA said. Fires involving lithium-ion batteries can reach 1,100 degrees,
close to the melting point of aluminum, a key material in airplane
construction. *_Lithium-metal battery fires are far hotter, capable of
reaching 4,000 degrees."_*
I assume they mean F and I guess that is the figure being repeated in the
various reports.

Lithium Battery Fire Could Burn Through a Cargo Hold
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0UBT/is_29_18/ai_n6280925/
"There is one case where a lithium battery fire may have played a role in
the crash of a transport category airplane. In November 1987 a South
African Airways B747 combi (a hybrid freighter with a partition separating
cargo from passengers on the main deck), with 159 passengers aboard and
cargo which included a consignment of lithium watch batteries, disappeared
into the Indian Ocean off Mauritius".

Although pay-walled figs. 5 and 6 both show temps approaching 1700C in dry
air.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010218011000381

What is not contested is that a Chevy Volt ignited spontaneously,
destroying several nearby cars and that GM have redesigned and strengthened
the battery compartment.

Scott