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Nebulous

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Dec 26, 2009, 1:27:36 PM12/26/09
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A somewhat belated Season's Greetings to you all.

We have had a bit less conspicuous consumption than in previous years,
and we are none the worse for that.

This year is the first year for the last 23 that Santa has not
attended our house. My youngest children are now 13 - so all the
presents went under the tree this year, instead of arriving in a sack.
Santa still managed to get his dram though!

Speaking of drams, I've just fallen out on a bottle of Bruichladdich,
non chill-filtered, with no added colouring. It seems okay, but I'll
need a couple of more glasses to make sure its up to scratch.

One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread is the
tradition of 'dumpling' atr this time of year?

My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings in it
wrapped in greaseproof paper. We ate it with broth as a starter, or
with our main course, never as a dessert. My mother-in-law also makes
one, which is even fruitier and slightly darker, but again it is eaten
with the meat course, not as a dessert.

Is that a common tradition, or is it localised to the North-East?

Neb

Josiah Jenkins

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Dec 26, 2009, 1:51:05 PM12/26/09
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:27:36 +0000, Nebulous
<ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread is the
>tradition of 'dumpling' at this time of year?
>
>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.

'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . . be careful not to swallow
them and it was *amazing* that I always got one !


>
>We ate it with broth as a starter, or with our main course, never
>as a dessert. My mother-in-law also makes one, which is even
>fruitier and slightly darker, but again it is eaten with the meat
>course, not as a dessert.

Never come across that, as a child it was always a sweet served
on its own or with custard or treated as a 'slice of cake'.


>
>Is that a common tradition, or is it localised to the North-East?

Nah, I've made a couple this month. The first one didn't last as
long as it should have ! Not a 'clootie' dumpling though, I use
a (slightly) modified version of Helen Ramsay's Mum's recipe
for the microwave.

Microwave Dumpling

Mix :
1 cup Water
1 cup Molasses or Brown Sugar
250 g Butter (sliced or cubed)
350 g Sultanas or Raisins
1 tblsp Black Treacle

Place all the above ingredients into a saucepan and, stirring gently,
bring the mixture to the boil and allow to simmer (gently) for two
minutes. Whilst still warm, add 1 tablespoon of Black Treacle.
Allow mixture to cool.

Mix :
2 cups Plain Flour
2 tsp Mixed Spice
1 tsp Bicarbonate of Soda
2 Eggs

1. Combine ingredients when liquid mix has almost totally cooled
2. Line a bowl with Cling Film and pour in the mixture *****
3. Microwave for 10 minutes on full power

At this point, while you're waiting, try another sample of that Malt !

4. Leave to cool then turn out onto a Cling Film covered plate
5. Allow to rest overnight

***** NOTE :
Trying to get the clingfilm to sit properly in the bowl was a PITA,
so I tried it this year with a *silicone* loaf mould similar to :
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylmd8ds and it was fine except for the
'non-traditional' shape.

*Don't use a mould that's too flexible, the mix, being heavier than
your average sponge cake tends to push the mould out of shape*

Yes, I had to transfer the mix to a mould with ribs on the outside !
--
http://www.ian-stewart.eu

Happy

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Dec 26, 2009, 9:08:40 PM12/26/09
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"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote

> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:27:36 +0000, Nebulous
> <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread is the
>>tradition of 'dumpling' at this time of year?
>>
>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>
> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . . be careful not to swallow
> them and it was *amazing* that I always got one !
>>
>>We ate it with broth as a starter, or with our main course, never
>>as a dessert. My mother-in-law also makes one, which is even
>>fruitier and slightly darker, but again it is eaten with the meat
>>course, not as a dessert.
>
> Never come across that, as a child it was always a sweet served
> on its own or with custard or treated as a 'slice of cake'.
>>
>>Is that a common tradition, or is it localised to the North-East?
>
> Nah, I've made a couple this month. The first one didn't last as
> long as it should have ! Not a 'clootie' dumpling though, I use
> a (slightly) modified version of Helen Ramsay's Mum's recipe
> for the microwave.
>
> Microwave Dumpling
>
> [recipe]
> --
> http://www.ian-stewart.eu

I note that your recipe does not include 'suet' which is one of the key
ingredients I still remember. I suppose 'suet' is politically incorrect now.
In Canada, the dumpling cooked in a cloth was eaten as a dessert with hot
liquid custard or whipped cream.
And it was delicious!
Then the day after, or maybe it was the day after the day after, it was
sliced and fried in butter.
And it was delicious!
I suppose that there are few people now who want to prepare a large pudding
in a cloth and manoeuvre it in and out of a large pot of boiling water.

La N

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Dec 26, 2009, 9:35:02 PM12/26/09
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Ahhhh ... memories. That's exactly what we were served as kids (in Canada).
I had forgotten about that until I read your post, Happy. In our case, it
was usually covered with butterscotch pudding.

- nilita


Josiah Jenkins

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Dec 27, 2009, 7:09:54 AM12/27/09
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:35:02 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Happy wrote:
>> "Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread is the
>>>> tradition of 'dumpling' at this time of year?
>>>>
>>> Microwave Dumpling
>>>
>>> [recipe]

>>
>> I note that your recipe does not include 'suet' which is one of the
>> key ingredients I still remember.

Perhaps it's a Jewish Dumpling recipe ?


>
>Ahhhh ... memories. That's exactly what we were served as kids (in Canada).
>I had forgotten about that until I read your post, Happy. In our case, it
>was usually covered with butterscotch pudding.

Well !
You've now got a recipe, get on with it and serve it with your
custard, cream, butterscotch or whatever.

If I can make it . . . anyone can !!!
--
http://www.ian-stewart.eu

Nebulous

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:33:25 AM12/27/09
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:51:05 +0000, Josiah Jenkins
<josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:27:36 +0000, Nebulous
><ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread is the
>>tradition of 'dumpling' at this time of year?
>>
>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>
>'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . . be careful not to swallow
>them and it was *amazing* that I always got one !

I always got one as well - funny that!

>>
>>We ate it with broth as a starter, or with our main course, never
>>as a dessert. My mother-in-law also makes one, which is even
>>fruitier and slightly darker, but again it is eaten with the meat
>>course, not as a dessert.
>
>Never come across that, as a child it was always a sweet served
>on its own or with custard or treated as a 'slice of cake'.
>>
>>Is that a common tradition, or is it localised to the North-East?
>
>Nah, I've made a couple this month. The first one didn't last as
>long as it should have ! Not a 'clootie' dumpling though, I use
>a (slightly) modified version of Helen Ramsay's Mum's recipe
>for the microwave.
>
>Microwave Dumpling


Unfortunately I fall down at the first hurdle - as we do not have a
microwave.

My Granny had a metal bowl, with a metal lid that clamped on to boil
in a huge pot. It had quite a distinctive noise as it was boiling
away. I'm not sure what my mother-in-law uses.

So clootie/boiled dumpling is a common Scottish tradition, but we
seem to be alone in having a slightly less sweet one that isn't
treated as a pudding.

Neb

Fifeshire Floozie

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Dec 27, 2009, 1:55:38 PM12/27/09
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"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote

> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>One thing I was wondering about yesterday - how widespread
>> is the tradition of 'dumpling' at this time of year?
>>
>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>
> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . . be careful not to
> swallow
> them and it was *amazing* that I always got one !

Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.

Mary

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Dec 27, 2009, 2:17:22 PM12/27/09
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"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote in message
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I remember that too Helen, along with " don't swallow any". I don't remember
anyone swallowing any,but remember how lucky we felt if we got one one :).

Mary

Josiah Jenkins

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Dec 27, 2009, 7:29:03 PM12/27/09
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"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>
>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . .
>
>Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.

Abbut, abbut, Neb's younger than we are !

Unless one subscribes to the theory of Aberdonian scattercash ?

<snegro>
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http://www.ian-stewart.eu

Fifeshire Floozie

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Dec 27, 2009, 11:24:52 PM12/27/09
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"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote

> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>
>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . .
>>
>>Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>
> Abbut, abbut, Neb's younger than we are !

True! I still have dozens of silver thrupennies, but never make
clootie dumplins.
>

Ejaycee

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:01:54 AM12/28/09
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"Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd> wrote in message
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Silver thrupennies in ours too and there were special silver coloured
Chrstmas
'charms' you could buy to put in as well.

Ejay


Ejaycee

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"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote in message
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Silver thrupennies were made into bracelets by a lot of folks
I used to have one but I'm blowed if I can remember what happened to it.

Ejay


Mary

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"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Never saw silver coloured ones or charms. Just as well I didn't know :)

Mary

Nebulous

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Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
use!

I had lots of old currency though, as an avid coin collector. In fact
I went through a short period of dealing in sovereigns when I was
about 11.

Neb

Nebulous

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:24:52 -0500, "Fifeshire Floozie"
<htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:

>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>>>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>>
>>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . .
>>>
>>>Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>>
>> Abbut, abbut, Neb's younger than we are !
>
>True! I still have dozens of silver thrupennies, but never make
>clootie dumplins.


My Granny has quite a few. In fact she got one mounted as a necklace
for all herfemale descendents a couple of years ago.

My Mother had quite a few as well, but lost them in an unfortunate
incident when my Father paid them into the bank. She's never let him
live it down.

Neb

Josiah Jenkins

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:27:23 -0500, "Mary" <nos...@invalid.swl> wrote:
>"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:n-WdnU9aQoJaoKXW...@westnet.com.au...
>> "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd> wrote in message
>> news:hh8bt5$o81$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7ppoth...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's
>>>>
>>>> Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>>
>> Silver thrupennies in ours too
>
>Never saw silver coloured ones or charms. Just as well I didn't know :)

Never saw a silver thrupenny ?
Here you go, pre-decimal coins
http://www.ian-stewart.eu/irs_coins.php

I'll tidy it up some before adding the page to the menu !
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Josiah Jenkins

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:41 +0000, Nebulous
<ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:24:52 -0500, "Fifeshire Floozie"
><htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>
>>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>>>>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.

Meant to ask, Neb.
If you found a shilling in the dumpling, were you encouraged
to put it away safely into a 'bank' like this one ?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylkybum

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Josiah Jenkins

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
<ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:29:03 +0000, Josiah Jenkins
><josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote:
>>>"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>>
>>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's . . .
>>>
>>>Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>>
>>Abbut, abbut, Neb's younger than we are !
>>
>>Unless one subscribes to the theory of Aberdonian scattercash ?
>>
>><snegro>
>
>
>Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>use!

OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !


>
>I had lots of old currency though, as an avid coin collector. In fact
>I went through a short period of dealing in sovereigns when I was
>about 11.
>
>Neb

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Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Nebulous wrote:

> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
> use!

Too right. I remember shillings and half crowns...probably
because at some time in my infancy I possessed one or the
other and fancied myself wealthy. But, like you, I never had
to manage my finances, get paid or make payments using
pre-decimal currency for all that I remember hearing adults
complain about how the money changed and the prices all
went up at the same time ("This used to be <insert price
here> in Real Money!")

Pre-decimal coins and notes were just ancient curiosities
by the time I was old enough to have a bank account.

> I had lots of old currency though, as an avid coin collector. In fact
> I went through a short period of dealing in sovereigns when I was
> about 11.

I still have a lot of old currency that I failed to spend fast
enough...pre-Euro, hm? Want to make a market in it? I'll
give you a good deal on Italian lira and Austrian schillings.
;-)

Deirdre

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Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Josiah Jenkins wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>> use!
>
> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !

"We"?!?

Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)

Deirdre

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mistakes instead of old ones.

S Viemeister

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The crown is the only coin on that page, I've never had in my hands.

Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:15:53 PM12/28/09
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S Viemeister wrote:
> Josiah Jenkins wrote:

>> Never saw a silver thrupenny ?
>> Here you go, pre-decimal coins
>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/irs_coins.php
>>
>> I'll tidy it up some before adding the page to the menu !
>
> The crown is the only coin on that page, I've never had in my hands.

I quite like the farthing...a pity it's so ruddy big (20 mm
in diameter?!) A pair of farthings hung on wires would
make interesting earrings were it not for the fact that
they'd pull your earlobes down to your collarbone.

I wonder, since the coins are no longer money, can they
be "defaced" for jewellery?

Deirdre

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boot tops.

Nebulous

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:29:16 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
<finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>>> use!
>>
>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>
>"We"?!?
>
>Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>
>Deirdre


:-)

Neb

Fifeshire Floozie

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:43:01 PM12/28/09
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"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote

> Silver thrupennies in ours too and there were special silver
> coloured Christmas 'charms' you could buy to put in as well.

Gee Ejay! I had forgotten about the silvery charms :)

Nebulous

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:42:37 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:06:51 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
<finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Nebulous wrote:
>
>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>> use!
>
>Too right. I remember shillings and half crowns...probably
>because at some time in my infancy I possessed one or the
>other and fancied myself wealthy. But, like you, I never had
>to manage my finances, get paid or make payments using
>pre-decimal currency for all that I remember hearing adults
>complain about how the money changed and the prices all
>went up at the same time ("This used to be <insert price
>here> in Real Money!")

I used to get sixpence from my Grandfather to buy sweets on a
Saturday, and can vaguely remember brass thrupennies, but certainly
never used silver ones.

>
>Pre-decimal coins and notes were just ancient curiosities
>by the time I was old enough to have a bank account.
>
>> I had lots of old currency though, as an avid coin collector. In fact
>> I went through a short period of dealing in sovereigns when I was
>> about 11.
>
>I still have a lot of old currency that I failed to spend fast
>enough...pre-Euro, hm? Want to make a market in it? I'll
>give you a good deal on Italian lira and Austrian schillings.

I've got lots of old foreign currency, some of it quite unusual, like
a chinese coin with a hole in the middle for threading it on a string,
but my main interest was old British coinage. However that was in my
youth, I haven't collected any coins or notes for years now.

Incidentally one note I have that was said to be unusual when I was
given it is a 1953 $2 dollar bill.

Neb


Nebulous

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:52:19 PM12/28/09
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I've got all of them, including about 3 crowns.

In addition to that I have a Twopence (cartwheel) Fourpence (groat)
and a half sovereign.

Neb

Custos Custodum

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:54:24 PM12/28/09
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S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in news:7ps4fdF20eU1
@mid.individual.net:

Not even commemorative ones? I have a Coronation crown, a Churchill one, a
Silver Jubilee one and, I think, one other (must check). I remember playing
with farthings as a kid. I was surprised to see the 1956 date on the one on
Ian's page. I thought they had gone out of circulation before then.

Mary

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"Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote in message
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Thanks for link. I might have seen them but don't remember. I remember the
bigger ones more. I found this interesting site about threepence coins. The
site below says the silver threepence went out of UK circulation in 1941 but
that some were still found in circulation into late 1950's.
http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/three.html

Mary


Nebulous

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:12:34 PM12/28/09
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You know however you are brought up it seems 'normal' to you.

I often struggle with trying to work out how different my childhood
was from that of other people's.

First of all we never had gas. I was brought up in a fishing village
which was never connected to the gas main.

Secondly I never saw a coin meter in my life until I was an adult.
Despite us being well behind the rest of the country, and despite high
levels of poverty and deprivation, I didn't know anyone who had one
either.

Perhaps it was how fishermen were paid? Getting a 'square-up' twice or
three times a year didn't lend itself to paying utilities a shilling
at a time, in the same way that a weekly wage would have done.

I had a stainless steel bank with sections for different denominations
of coins. The bank were the only people with a key to open it. Once it
was full someone had to take it to the bank, where it would be emptied
and paid into your account.

That was how my mother lost all her silver thruppenies. They were
beginning to be scarce so she collected them and put them in the bank
for safe keeping. My father was sent to the bank to pay my money in,
but he was under strict orders to ask for the thruppenies back, which
of course he didn't. So I gained, but my mother lost all her carefully
hoarded coins!

Neb

Nebulous

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:15:53 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
<finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>S Viemeister wrote:
>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>
>>> Never saw a silver thrupenny ?
>>> Here you go, pre-decimal coins
>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/irs_coins.php
>>>
>>> I'll tidy it up some before adding the page to the menu !
>>
>> The crown is the only coin on that page, I've never had in my hands.
>
>I quite like the farthing...a pity it's so ruddy big (20 mm
>in diameter?!) A pair of farthings hung on wires would
>make interesting earrings were it not for the fact that
>they'd pull your earlobes down to your collarbone.
>
>I wonder, since the coins are no longer money, can they
>be "defaced" for jewellery?

There's no longer a law against defacing coinage.

In fact a lot of tourist attractions have a machine where you can put
in a penny and have it stretched into an oval medallion with a picture
of the attraction on it.

Neb

Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Nebulous wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:06:51 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Too right. I remember shillings and half crowns...probably
>> because at some time in my infancy I possessed one or the
>> other and fancied myself wealthy. But, like you, I never had
>> to manage my finances, get paid or make payments using
>> pre-decimal currency for all that I remember hearing adults
>> complain about how the money changed and the prices all
>> went up at the same time ("This used to be <insert price
>> here> in Real Money!")
>
> I used to get sixpence from my Grandfather to buy sweets on a
> Saturday, and can vaguely remember brass thrupennies, but certainly
> never used silver ones.

Lucky you...my grandpater never passed out cash, in-
stead we had the option of choosing what colour boiled
sweet we wanted from the bowl he kept by his pipe
stand. Looking back, I now wonder exactly how ven-
erable and ancient those sweets were...<shudder>...
probably better off not knowing. :-)

> Incidentally one note I have that was said to be unusual when I was
> given it is a 1953 $2 dollar bill.

I expect it is a bit unusual, if only for the age, although
I suspect in 1953 it wasn't especially rare (particularly
at racetrack betting windows). I've one of the new issue
$2 and examples of all the various $1 coins the US has
put out over the last three decades...oh, and somewhere
around here is a steel US penny that someone gave me
(war issue), but I've no idea where it's stashed these days.

Come to think of it, I might have given it to a kid...

Deirdre

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Josiah Jenkins

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I've updated the page somewhat and started adding info on the coins
The farthing was demonetized on the 31st December 1960
--
http://www.ian-stewart.eu

Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:13:27 PM12/28/09
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Nebulous wrote:
> You know however you are brought up it seems 'normal' to you.

Not necessarily...it may seem familiar if you encounter
similar situations elsewhen in life, but "normal" is some-
thing else entirely. I don't regard my upbringing as nor-
mal and I've certainly not repeated the exercise with my
own spawn.

> I often struggle with trying to work out how different my childhood
> was from that of other people's.

As was mine...as was everyone's if you get right down
to it.

> First of all we never had gas. I was brought up in a fishing village
> which was never connected to the gas main.

I have no idea what we had...and truthfully, when I was
growing up I never thought about how heat was gene-
rated or cooking accomplished...it simply happened. I
remember a coal chute, but I don't recall if it was ever
in use during my lifetime except as a way to get into
_lots_ of trouble.

(And if I'm to be ruthlessly truthful, when I was young I
never pondered how bills were paid, where the money
came from or the costs of running a household either...
getting out on my own was eye-opening in more ways
than just acquiring independence. :-))

> Secondly I never saw a coin meter in my life until I was an adult.

That makes two of us...assuming you regard 16 or 17
as "adult". :-)

> I had a stainless steel bank with sections for different denominations
> of coins. The bank were the only people with a key to open it. Once it
> was full someone had to take it to the bank, where it would be emptied
> and paid into your account.

I had a silver piggy bank (a christening present I suspect,
as it was also engraved) which, if I recall correctly, came
apart if twisted and pulled in the proper fashion...whatever
the secret handshake with the pig was, it was far beyond
my childish abilities to master, so once money went in the
bank, it was as good as gone to me...as a result, I wasn't
terribly generous about feeding it.

Deirdre

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Cory Bhreckan

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Do you two need your nappies changed?

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The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

La N

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:21:37 PM12/28/09
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Cory Bhreckan wrote:
> Nebulous wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
>> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>>>>> use!
>>>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>>> "We"?!?
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>>>
>>> Deirdre
>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Neb
>
> Do you two need your nappies changed?

Has Neb even been weaned yet?

- nil


Nebulous

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:16:33 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:17:17 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
<coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:

>Nebulous wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
>> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>>>>> use!
>>>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>>> "We"?!?
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>>>
>>> Deirdre
>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Neb
>
>Do you two need your nappies changed?


Don't pretend that you're an oldie here Cory.

I bet you can't remember using silver thruppennies either!

Neb

S Viemeister

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Dec 28, 2009, 4:59:57 PM12/28/09
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Nebulous wrote:
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:27:23 -0500, "Mary" <nos...@invalid.swl> wrote:
>>>> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>> "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd> wrote
>>>>>> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote

>>>>>>> "Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>>>>> in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>>>>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's
>>>>>>> Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>>>>> Silver thrupennies in ours too
>>>> Never saw silver coloured ones or charms. Just as well I didn't know :)
>>> Never saw a silver thrupenny ?
>>> Here you go, pre-decimal coins
>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/irs_coins.php
>>>
>>> I'll tidy it up some before adding the page to the menu !
>> The crown is the only coin on that page, I've never had in my hands.
>
>
> I've got all of them, including about 3 crowns.
>
> In addition to that I have a Twopence (cartwheel) Fourpence (groat)
> and a half sovereign.
>
>
I'm envious!

S Viemeister

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Dec 28, 2009, 5:05:04 PM12/28/09
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Custos Custodum wrote:
> S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote
>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:27:23 -0500, "Mary" <nos...@invalid.swl> wrote:
>>>> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>> "Mary" <n...@invalid.ddd> wrote
>>>>>> "Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote
>>>>>>> "Josiah Jenkins" <josiah-jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Nebulous <ja...@pigtail.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My granny used to make a boiled fruit dumpling with shillings
>>>>>>>>> in it wrapped in greaseproof paper.
>>>>>>>> 'Silver' thruppenies in my Grannie's
>>>>>>> Silver thruppenies in my Mother's too.
>>>>> Silver thrupennies in ours too
>>>> Never saw silver coloured ones or charms. Just as well I didn't know :)
>>> Never saw a silver thrupenny ?
>>> Here you go, pre-decimal coins
>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu/irs_coins.php
>>>
>>> I'll tidy it up some before adding the page to the menu !
>> The crown is the only coin on that page, I've never had in my hands.
>
> Not even commemorative ones? I have a Coronation crown, a Churchill one, a
> Silver Jubilee one and, I think, one other (must check). I remember playing
> with farthings as a kid. I was surprised to see the 1956 date on the one on
> Ian's page. I thought they had gone out of circulation before then.

No, not even a commemorative one.
And I can remember spending farthings in 1956...

Custos Custodum

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Dec 28, 2009, 5:32:28 PM12/28/09
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S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in
news:7psoci...@mid.individual.net:

Oddly enough, I can't even remember spending any as late as 1960, though
I was certainly old enough to be buying my own sweeties. :-)

Ian Smith

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Dec 28, 2009, 6:35:18 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:09:30 +0000, Josiah Jenkins couldnae haud thur
wheesht ony mair an' gied us this:

Interesting stuff. Thanks for another nice web page effort. I wonder if
they still have that stall at the Barras where you could buy those old
coins? That's where we got our modest collection from a few years ago.

--
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Charles Ellson

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:19:36 PM12/28/09
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I took a bottle back to the Broadstone Avenue Co-op in Port Glasgow
when I was staying at my grandmother's in 1960-something and was given
a silver 3d; I always wondered if somebody thought they were getting
one over on me.

Charles Ellson

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:30:43 PM12/28/09
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That isn't quite correct, they were still being minted as (legal
tender) Maundy Money until 1970 and were not demonetised until 1971.
They were also struck after 1941 as circulating coins for use in some
of the colonies and some of those found their way into UK circulation
in IIRC sufficient numbers to limit their value to collectors.

Mary

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:30:24 PM12/28/09
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"Charles Ellson" <cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vimij5pjeca4lr3f4...@4ax.com...

In the link above, did you see this part:
"Although the silver threepence continued to circulate for some years (I
recall receiving one in change in about 1959), and particularly in Scotland
and the West Indies, it was last produced for circulation in the UK in 1941.
Issues were made for the next three years for use in the West Indies, and
are all relatively scarce, particularly the 1944 coin. Nearly 400,000 were
minted in 1945, but the great majority were melted down - a very few, one or
possibly two, have survived. "

Mary

Charles Ellson

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:59:53 AM12/29/09
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Yes, but "went out of circulation" is a bit different from "last
struck for circulation". Various coins (e.g. those with silver
content) which were last struck for circulation on different dates
still circulated for significant periods after those dates.

Ejaycee

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:22:03 AM12/29/09
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"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote in message
news:7ps91c...@mid.individual.net...

I can remember tiny plum puddings, a doll and a bell
plus [ I think] a cat..

Ejay


Cory Bhreckan

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Dec 29, 2009, 10:15:10 AM12/29/09
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Nebulous wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:17:17 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
> <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Nebulous wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
>>> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>>>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>>>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>>>>>> use!
>>>>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>>>> "We"?!?
>>>>
>>>> Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Deirdre
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Neb
>> Do you two need your nappies changed?
>
>
> Don't pretend that you're an oldie here Cory.
>
> I bet you can't remember using silver thruppennies either!
>
> Neb

I remember sixpences.

La N

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Dec 29, 2009, 10:21:55 AM12/29/09
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Cory Bhreckan wrote:
> Nebulous wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:17:17 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
>> <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Nebulous wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
>>>> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>>>>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>>>>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency
>>>>>>> in use!
>>>>>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>>>>> "We"?!?
>>>>>
>>>>> Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Neb
>>> Do you two need your nappies changed?
>>
>>
>> Don't pretend that you're an oldie here Cory.
>>
>> I bet you can't remember using silver thruppennies either!
>>
>> Neb
>
> I remember sixpences.

I remember spending silver dollars.


Deirdre Sholto Douglas

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Dec 29, 2009, 10:50:22 AM12/29/09
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Cory Bhreckan wrote:
> Nebulous wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:17:17 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
>> <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Nebulous wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:36 -0600, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
>>>> <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:41:12 +0000, Nebulous
>>>>>>> Silver Thruppenies are not something I can remember being in
>>>>>>> circulation. In fact I can barely remember pre-decimal currency in
>>>>>>> use!
>>>>>> OK ! Point made . . . Neb's *A LOT* younger than we are !
>>>>> "We"?!?
>>>>>
>>>>> Speak for yourself, gramps. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>> Neb
>>> Do you two need your nappies changed?
>>
>>
>> Don't pretend that you're an oldie here Cory.
>> I bet you can't remember using silver thruppennies either!
>> Neb
>
> I remember sixpences.

And pockets full of rye?

Deirdre

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Fred J. McCall

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:40:31 AM12/29/09
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Deirdre Sholto Douglas <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

:

It's easier to carry in bottles....


--
"I'll learn to work the saxophone.
I'll play just what I feel.
Drink Scotch whisky all night long
And die behind the wheel."
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Cory Bhreckan

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:54:22 PM12/29/09
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I said I remembered them, I don't recall singing about them.

>
> Deirdre
>
> ________________
> I'm out of the loop, and that's the way I like it.
>

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