The Irish accent has beaten its French counterpart as the world's sexiest,
thanks to stars like Colin Farrell and James Nesbitt.
Published: 7:00AM GMT 03 Nov 2009
PHOTO:
Colin Farrell was credited as promoting the Irish accent's 'sexiness'
Men with an Emerald Isle brogue came top in a poll of 5,000 women worldwide,
while the French accent only came fourth, just ahead of Australian.
Italian, the native language of stars such as jockey Frankie Dettori, was
second.
In third place was the Scottish burr, made famous by actor Sean Connery
English was sixth and Swedish was seventh, with Spanish, Welsh and American
completing the top 10.
A spokesman for www.OnePoll.com, which carried out the international survey,
blamed French president Nicolas Sarkozy for the French accent's fall from
grace.
"The French accent is nowhere near as popular as it used to be," he said.
''You can probably blame Nicolas Sarkozy for that, he has single-handedly
changed the perception of how the world sees French men.
''It is good news for the Irish that they have come top, they have been in
and around the top five for years now.
''But high-profile stars such as Colin Farrell have helped bring the accent
more to the fore.''
The study also found three fifths of women admitted they hade been seduced
by someone purely because of their accent, while two fifths said they would
much rather sleep with a man who had a nice accent, compared to a harsh one.
World's Sexiest Accents
1. Irish
2. Italian
3. Scottish
4. French
5. Australian
6. English
7. Swedish
8. Spanish
9. Welsh
10. American
I think the survey must've been conducted in Mullingar!
2. What is an American accent?
Canada doesn't even rate, eh?
- nilita
Should it?
--
"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
No, the Canadian accent is actually south west *ngland, the "out" sound is
a standout example.
Scott
Canadians drink beer, not zoyder.
Deprived they are...
Bryn
Technically it's "Canadians drink beer, not zoyder, eh?"
>Scotty wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:01 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> deem...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> 1. The whole non-white world says "F*ck this study".
>>>>
>>>> 2. What is an American accent?
>>> Canada doesn't even rate, eh?
>>>
>>> - nilita
>>
>> No, the Canadian accent is actually south west *ngland, the "out" sound is
>> a standout example.
>> Scott
>
>Canadians drink beer, not zoyder.
Nah, it's scruumpy
Or scrumpy.
>Scotty wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:13:22 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
>> <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Scotty wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:01 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> deem...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> 1. The whole non-white world says "F*ck this study".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. What is an American accent?
>>>>> Canada doesn't even rate, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> - nilita
>>>> No, the Canadian accent is actually south west *ngland, the "out" sound is
>>>> a standout example.
>>>> Scott
>>> Canadians drink beer, not zoyder.
>>
>> Nah, it's scruumpy
>
>Or scrumpy.
Not the way I heard it, definitely scruumpy or scroompy?
>Scotty wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:01 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> deem...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> 1. The whole non-white world says "F*ck this study".
>>>>
>>>> 2. What is an American accent?
>>> Canada doesn't even rate, eh?
>>>
>>> - nilita
>>
>> No, the Canadian accent is actually south west *ngland, the "out" sound is
>> a standout example.
>> Scott
>
>Canadians drink beer, not zoyder.
Wot's 'Applejack' then ?
--
Applejack is cider that has been 'distilled' by freezing (traditional)
or run through a still (commercial). The traditional method could lead
to lethal hangovers.
> --
>
>
> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
Oh please. Tell me you did *not* just write that!?
*Sigh*. Alright:
An American Accent is the Accent which Americans have,
but think they don't because they honestly believe that they
_have no accent_ and only Them Furreners™ do.
And lest you now try to make the claim that American
Accents are all so different Regionally that one can't say
there is "an American accent," let me ask you if you've
ever heard the differences between, say, a Birmingham
accent, an Oxfordshire accent, and a Cornwall accent.
Or a Glaswegian accent, an Aberdonian accent, and a
Lewis accent. No? Then you don't know what you're
talking about. (And I do _not_ mean that in a negative
way or as an insult; I _just_ mean what it says, nothing
more.)
Remembering My Early Years Here,
The Phantom Piper
Take off, you hoser!
Eh?,
The Phantom Piper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZvAVcBIrQ
Popping A Molson,
The Phantom Piper, Eh?
I shoulda used an emoticon. Sigh.
My response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7bFVj-0IsQ
Looks/sounds like a winter BBQ in my 'hood.
- nil
They forget the "s".
Sorry, then.
> Sigh.
Do you *know* how many times I've encountered
Just That - only with absolutely serious intent?
Fresh Out Of Fingers *And* Toes,
The Phantom Counter
Yeah - I've encountered an awful lot of real Freds in my life.
Take this one guy just today: *what* an absolute *Fred*
he was being! And I was like: "Chill, dude - do you know
what sort of a _Fred_ you look like?" And he was like:
"Yadayadayah-IDon't*Care*WhatAHugeGapingFredI'mBeing!"
And I was like: "_What*EVER*_..." It was intense.
Not Being A Real Fred, Man,
The Phantom Piper
>Josiah Jenkins wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:13:22 -0500, Cory Bhreckan
>> <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Scotty wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:01 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> deem...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> 1. The whole non-white world says "F*ck this study".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. What is an American accent?
>>>>> Canada doesn't even rate, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> - nilita
>>>> No, the Canadian accent is actually south west *ngland, the "out" sound is
>>>> a standout example.
>>>> Scott
>>> Canadians drink beer, not zoyder.
>>
>> Wot's 'Applejack' then ?
>
>Applejack is cider that has been 'distilled' by freezing (traditional)
>or run through a still (commercial). The traditional method could lead
>to lethal hangovers.
Yeah, I knew what it was, I read about letting it freeze it in a
barrel (and keep breaking the ice in the middle at the top)
a long time ago.
Point you confirmed is that it *is* cider !
--
In the same respect that whisky *is* beer.
I meant you had confirmed the existence of cider
in Canukstan !
>
>In the same respect that whisky *is* beer.
No. The Applejack is made from cider.
Some spirits (not whisky) are made in a similar way,
ie distilled, from another drink (usually wine).
--
Canadian newscasters working for American broadcasters. :)
cheers........Jeff
True. Or Brits working on US TV as American characters.
By 'Brits', do you mean persons with English Accents?
Thinking Of Examples,
The Phantom Piper
You're all the same to us :-)
Nice dodge. */;~}
But we know what you meant when you wrote:
> Or Brits working on US TV as American characters.
You meant (and it's perfectly natural: it was *designed*
for you to think in that way): "Or Englishmen working on
US TV as American characters."
How many Scottish accents have you heard in that
category (and no, Craig Ferguson doesn't count...) - ?
How many Irish accents have you heard in that category
(the one you were thinking of) - ?
But 'British' (English) accents? A plethora.
And: That's What I'm Talking About™. 'British' means
English when it suits, and it only means Scottish or
Irish when it suits _the other way_. It's a very 'subtle'
(insidious) and 'clever' (cunning) bit of NewSpeak: the
world hears 'British' but they *think* English. What is
technically "Britain's" is in fact "England's."
One cannot overestimate the effect it's had, these past
centuries, these past generations. One lives with it and
it becomes The New Normal and suddenly everyone is
One Big Happy 'British' Family. And if someone *dares*
to step out of line (instead of toeing it) and point out what's
happened to the way they *think*, the others rush to object
and complain. It never enters their pre-programmed minds
to question the nature of the thing.
You have inadvertently put your finger on one of the (very
minor) wee Cracks in the thing, through which a tiny ray
of light seeps out to help illuminate the greater whole of
the problem. But I'll step back into the shadows and shut
up about it now, because They'll be here soon, to rail and
rant and slur and smear and point the finger; after all, I've
challenged one of their cherished Beliefs - one which has
been so carefully inculcated into them over the years...
Not Buying In,
The Phantom Piper
Actually I meant the guy who plays House and the guy who was
(is?...I don't think it's still on) on The King of Queens. I don't
know if they're English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, etc....they are
"Brits" playing Americans without their English/Irish/Scottih/Welsh
accents.
Yeah, `cos: all those accents sound the Same.
(I really think you're going a bit overboard in your recent
efforts to endear yourself to 'British' readers of this group;
indeed, if you're not careful, you might soon find yourself
becoming *too* popular!)
Always Your #1 Fan,
The Phantom Piper
*I* don't know the difference. The (fill in the blank) actors
from across the pond lose their (fill in the blank) accents to play
Americans on US TV. This arose from Jeffrey's comment about Canadian
journalists (Peter Jennings, etc) who lose their Canadian accents/
mannerisms when they work in the US.
Actually I meant the guy who plays House
Hugh Laurie - he's quintessentialy English.
Even went to Eton IIRC.
He used to be brilliant - mainly comedy - but he's really gone downhill
lately IMO.
Strangely enough I was arguing with some tosspot or other in alt plolitics
usa just a few months ago about him - he (the tosspot) was calling me all
sorts of an idiot because I 'thought' he (Hugh Laurie) was English and the
main thrust of toospots 'argument' seemed to be that Laurie *couldn't* be
English because he spoke American. I tried to point out that Laurie was in
fact an *actor* and thats what actors *do* FFS but I think he plonked me as
he didn't reply.
Accents are such powerfull tools eh?
*****
The horror of their accents is only exceeded by the horror of American
actors aping an English accent.
> Strangely enough I was arguing with some tosspot or other in alt plolitics
> usa just a few months ago about him - he (the tosspot) was calling me all
> sorts of an idiot because I 'thought' he (Hugh Laurie) was English and the
> main thrust of toospots 'argument' seemed to be that Laurie *couldn't* be
> English because he spoke American. I tried to point out that Laurie was in
> fact an *actor* and thats what actors *do* FFS but I think he plonked me
> as he didn't reply.
> Accents are such powerfull tools eh?
You do realize that if you and I were conversing, I probably would not
understand a word you were saying.................
He was great as Bertie Wooster.
> but he's really gone downhill
> lately IMO.
Fame'll do that too you.
>
> Strangely enough I was arguing with some tosspot or other in alt plolitics
> usa just a few months ago about him - he (the tosspot) was calling me all
> sorts of an idiot because I 'thought' he (Hugh Laurie) was English and the
> main thrust of toospots 'argument' seemed to be that Laurie *couldn't* be
> English because he spoke American. I tried to point out that Laurie was in
> fact an *actor* and thats what actors *do* FFS but I think he plonked me as
> he didn't reply.
> Accents are such powerfull tools eh?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/09/091109fa_fact_wilkinson
Oh, I don't know about that! Have you ever watched Hugh Laurie in
'House'? I think he does a great job. And from earlier in this thread
in response to A W-S, you said ...
>You do realize that if you and I were conversing, I probably would
>not understand a word you were saying...
My question to you is ... "Did you not understand a word I said when
we met in Dahlonega?"
I can't even confirm the existence of applejack in Canadah.
>> In the same respect that whisky *is* beer.
>
> No. The Applejack is made from cider.
Therefore it is not cider. I'm glad we cleared up.
>
> Some spirits (not whisky) are made in a similar way,
> ie distilled, from another drink (usually wine).
Sometimes from potatoes, sometimes from plums, sometimes from rice,
sometimes from maguey sap (pulque).
********************************
There was something in the media about that the other day over here. There
are quite a few British people playing Americans on American TV. Of course
the fact that the vast majority of British people are English means that
most British actors working in American TV will be English too.
Allan
How many Scottish accents have you heard in that
category (and no, Craig Ferguson doesn't count...) - ?
*************************************
As far as Scottish accents go straight away I can think of Shirly Manson in
'Terminator" and the blonde haired lass in "Ugly Betty".
Allan
His full name is James Hugh Calum Laurie and he's seemingly got Scottish
ancestry on both his parents side and both families are Presbyterians. His
mother was a Laidlaw. His father was certainly born in England but I don't
know about his mother. The Sunday Post may claim him yet :-)
Allan
Right, well, but I think your immediately previous point
was of greater import:
> There are quite a few British people playing Americans
> on American TV. Of course the fact that the vast majority
> of British people are English means that most British actors
> working in American TV will be English too.
But what 'Hardy' said some time ago was also true:
people around the world hear the word 'British' and
they _immediately_ THINK 'English', and vice-versa.
And, as chic has pointed out time and again, there
is a behind-the-scenes effort at Anglo-Centrism in
play which makes what is 'British' 'English' when it's
convenient, and what is *Not English* 'British' when
things are INconvenient...
Deems' reaction (the 'Brit' actors he'd heard of almost
all being English) is just an example - a very minute,
unimportant example; more of a *sign* really - of the
same thing. One reason I so *desperately* want to
see Full Independence and _Sovereignty_ for Scotland
is to differentiate _Scottish_ from 'British'. (Of course,
the Economic, and Political considerations all have
greater importance than that.) I'm so _tired_ of being
'Province 19'...
Still Not Wanting To Be 'British',
The Phantom Piper
You seldom do anyway. The number of times I have to rephrase posts into
words of a single syllable for your exclusive benefit..........
But I think you should be able to understand me OK - mines a southern BBC
accent and when I can be bothered I can speak rather well (so I'm told)
though I'm well out of practice these last years.
However, I might struggle somewhat with your primitive hillbilly drawl, but
then again you never say much worth hearing anyway so it wouldn't be any
great loss I shouldn't think.
No, it's FROM cider.
(When did you last have your eyes tested ?)
>
>>
>> Some spirits (not whisky) are made in a similar way,
>> ie distilled, from another drink (usually wine).
>
>Sometimes from potatoes, sometimes from plums, sometimes from rice,
>sometimes from maguey sap (pulque).
Which of those are drinks ???
Enkwiring minz . . . .
--
No need to say anything really: just let a wee trickle
of Drool flow constantly from the corner of your lower
lip and occasionally grunt "*heh*!"
What *Is* That Smell?,
The Phantom Piper
Well Elvis was from Wick I hear so anything's possible.
Just checked - he was born in Oxford! Can't get much more English than that.
And he went to Eton and Cambridge. Again about as English as it gets. Even
rowed for England by jove!
I'd wager he could sing the Eton Boating Song to this day.
Here's a few clips of him speaking in his natural voice as Bertie Wooster.
Incontrovertible proof he's English wouldn't you agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYf5YPNnfRY&NR=1
You don't seriously expect the gaga old coot to be able to remember that far
back do you?
Heh.
Here's Hugh as Prince George in 'Blackadder The IIIrd':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaPxX-ks95Y
Polishing My Turnip,
The Phantom Dogsbody
Auld Bob
Auld Bob
Of course I did, Miz Helen.
Your voice had all the clarity of a silver bell tinkling in a Scottish
garden.
Now back to the slagging................
I still has me moments.
Which reminds me, have any of you seen the young female star of the new
American TV show "Trauma"?
Blonde she is and of Welsh descent.
She is truly a marvel to behold..............
He speaks in anagrams, Fred.
>> You do realize that if you and I were conversing, I probably would not
>> understand a word you were saying.................
>
> You seldom do anyway. The number of times I have to rephrase posts into
> words of a single syllable for your exclusive benefit..........
And here I thought single syllable words were pretty much the extent of your
vocabulary...........
> But I think you should be able to understand me OK - mines a southern BBC
> accent and when I can be bothered I can speak rather well (so I'm told)
> though I'm well out of practice these last years.
How does one develop a BBC accent while swamping out stables in the barren
north of Scotland?
> However, I might struggle somewhat with your primitive hillbilly drawl,
> but then again you never say much worth hearing anyway so it wouldn't be
> any great loss I shouldn't think.
And your vaunted claims as to keeping in touch with how the other half
lives???
It's his favorite bathhouse needs airing.
PP needs to complain to the management.
All too well, Auld Bob, all too well.
He's not a bad sort, really.
Bit of a loon on some subjects but other than that he is fairly normal.
Much nicer than Cory tinkling in the Scottish heather, eh?
Auld Bob
Auld Bob
Now, now you two! Conway has a very charming southern 'drawl' and his
wife's is even more charming. I just loved to listen to her talk :)
Why not? I thought gaga old coots only had problems with short term
memory and long term was fine.
Well *that* certainly seems to work for you, doesn't it ?
I'm just saying....
cheers
You can *drink* a potato ?
>
>>
>> Enkwiring minz . . . .
>> --
>>
>>
>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
--
I never said he wasn't English though. I said he has Scottish ancestry on
both his mother's and father's side and both families were memebrs of the
Scottish Presbyterian Church. He has Scottish connections.
Allan
Heh.
Here's Hugh as Prince George in 'Blackadder The IIIrd':
***********************
Classic! And here's Blackadder 4. With more than a touch of Some Like It
Hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBsmPCDaFP0
Allan
Right, well, but I think your immediately previous point
was of greater import:
> There are quite a few British people playing Americans
> on American TV. Of course the fact that the vast majority
> of British people are English means that most British actors
> working in American TV will be English too.
But what 'Hardy' said some time ago was also true:
people around the world hear the word 'British' and
they _immediately_ THINK 'English', and vice-versa.
And, as chic has pointed out time and again, there
is a behind-the-scenes effort at Anglo-Centrism in
play which makes what is 'British' 'English' when it's
convenient, and what is *Not English* 'British' when
things are INconvenient...
***********************************
That is true - but to be honest we do it too. On BBC Scotland etc they'd
talk about Chris Hoy as a Scot when he won his golds whilst English
competitors were described as other British triumphs. The difference of
course is that BBC Scotland isn't aired throughout the UK so it doesn't get
up other's noses the way UK wide anglo-centric broadcasts from London do.
Allan
Pulque is a drink, the rest can be made into drinks.
>>> Enkwiring minz . . . .
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
> --
>
>
> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
*Much* Nicer...
Awarding Nilita The 'Understatement Of The Year' Award,
The Phantom Piper
War! It's War, I tell you!
> I just loved to listen to her talk :)
I have nothing *whatsoever* against Conway's wife
*or* her Skillet! (Well, apart from the fact that she
has exhibited very Questionable Taste at least *once*
in her life... But then, haven't we all?) I just wish
she would use that implement of destruction with
greater frequency and to better effect.
*/:~|
(Come to think of it though, such use over the years
may well have contributed to the current Problem...)
Anyway:
Back To The War,
The Phantom Piper
Ever had this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopin_vodka
If not: Do So.
(*Keep* it in your Freezer; give it a good shake before pouring.)
Thank Me Later,
The Phantom Piper
So you were wrong ?
>
>>>> Enkwiring minz . . . .
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
>> --
>>
>>
>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
--
Auld Bob
Auld Bob
Ever so much more.......
We are getting rain here in North Carolina that is beyond belief.
The aftereffects of Ida, I'm told.
A fate worse than swamping out stables........
Good point.
Genghis wore funny looking hats as well........
> Now, now you two! Conway has a very charming southern 'drawl' and his
> wife's is even more charming. I just loved to listen to her talk :)
Thank you. Miz Helen.
Certainly not.
>>>>> Enkwiring minz . . . .
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
> --
>
>
> http://www.ian-stewart.eu
I think the Southern drawl is lovely too. It always seems so "down home"
warm. I don't really know what I'm trying to say, but I guess I'm reminded
of Andy, Opie, and Mayberry ... some of my fondest childhood memories ... :)
- nilita
>On Nov 10, 1:24�pm, Josiah Jenkins <josiah-
>jenkins@somewhere_else.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You can *drink* a potato ?
>
>Ever had this?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopin_vodka
>
>If not: Do So.
>
>(*Keep* it in your Freezer; give it a good shake before pouring.)
Similar to this stuff ?
http://www.linie.com/
It's produced in Norway from potatoes.
A pal from Oslo gave me a bottle years ago and it was a long
time before I finished it. It's obviously an acquired taste !
I'm not a great lover of vodka (or any neat spirits)
but I do like this stuff :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupnik
--
Perhaps a fresh, rough Tempest will sweep
over the land and cleanse it of you once and
for all!
> The aftereffects of Ida, I'm told.
Ida moved outta dere if I was-a you!
Rowing Merrily By,
The Phantom Piper
Er, *no*...
(Akvavit bears more in common with Ouzo
than with straight Potato Vodka, which has
no Licorice-y taste to it.)
> It's produced in Norway from potatoes.
Ah, but does it have "seven potatoes to a bottle,"
as the Chopin does?
> A pal from Oslo gave me a bottle years ago and it was a long
> time before I finished it. It's obviously an acquired taste !
Again: whether you're drinking Ouzo or Akvavit
(or Absinthe, for that matter), you'll get that strong
Licorice flavour that comes from the Anise or the
Caraway that's in `em.
> I'm not a great lover of vodka (or any neat spirits)
(Well, if you *do* decide to try the Chopin, keep it
in your freezer and try pouring it over a twisted leaf
of fresh mint: delightful!)
> but I do like this stuff :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupnik
Ah! Now that I *have* had. And it's very much along
the lines of other Polish honey drinks, such as this
fabulous stuff:
http://www.polishmeads.com/Jadwiga.html
Bzzzzz, Bzzzzz,
The Phantom Piper
Huh? Caraway doesn't taste anything like anise. I use Akvavit along with
salt and sugar to cure salmon overnight before I put it in the smoker.
I agree with Cory on this one. Aquavit is very Swedish (we have drank this
in some of our parties), and I most certainly know the difference between
that and one of my other favourite liqueurs, the licorice/anise flavoured
Sambuca ... :)
- nilita
Tell it to my taste-buds (and to Wikipedia, of course):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caraway
"The fruits, usually used whole, have a pungent,
anise-like flavor and aroma that comes from
essential oils, mostly carvone and limonene."
Now let's look at the Liquorice Dimension:
Anise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anise
"...known for its flavor that resembles liquorice..."
"Anise is sweet and very aromatic, distinguished
by its licorice-like flavor."
http://www.teamerchants.com/buy/1/9/243/Anise-Caraway-Fennel/1250.aspx
"A warm, aromatic trio that recalls sweet licorice."
(Obviously, I'm *NOT* alone in this...)
And finally, according to iGourmet:
"Anise is a member of the Umbelliferae family which
ALSO INCLUDES fennel, _CARAWAY_, coriander
and dill, to name a few."
Which leads us to the Free Dictionary's entry for Umbelliferae:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/family+Umbelliferae
"Noun 1. family Umbelliferae - plants having flowers in
umbels: parsley; carrot; ANISE; CARAWAY; celery; dill
So there you are, Mr. Smartie-Pants (or, to use
your Indian Name: 'Pisses-In-Heather') - they *are*
related and they *do* have similar tastes (at least
to those of us with discerning palates).
> I use Akvavit along with salt and sugar to cure salmon
> overnight before I put it in the smoker.
If you used less of it perhaps your taste buds
would still function properly! */:8~}
Wanna Debate Leeks And Shallots Next?,
The Phantom Gourmand
You can agree all you like: I just trounced him
with all manner of references and sources, so
you two can throw a merry party on your way
to the Hell Of Being Just Plain Wrong. (That's
one of the ancient Chinese Hells, donchaknow.)
Naturally, they do *not* taste _identical_ - but
then neither of them tastes identical to Fennel,
either, yet they all damned-well share a taste
in common with it! And, as it turns out, there's
a good Evolutionary Reason for that.
Enjoying A Nice Slice Of Wry,
The Phantom Piper