Where or what is the "Clyde Coast?"
Marc Raizman
Someone mentioned to a friend the Clyde Coast and we both don't know
what he was talking about. We would appreciate a short explanation
and what might be of interest to a tourist visiting the area. Thanks.
<mrai...@net1comm.com>
Craig McDowall
Marc Raizman wrote:
The Clyde Coast is basically the Ayrshire coast on the Firth of Clyde.
Also known as the "Scottish Riveria" it takes in the coastal towns of
Largs, Saltcoats, Irvine, Prestwick, Ayr and Girvan. Other highlights
include : Culzean Castle, Nardini's Cafe in Largs, the Electric Brae and,
of course, the Bicycle Island.
The Nit Nurse
In article <34b19c85...@news.net1comm.com>, mrai...@net1comm.com
(Marc Raizman) wrote:
| Someone mentioned to a friend the Clyde Coast and we both don't know
| what he was talking about. We would appreciate a short explanation
| and what might be of interest to a tourist visiting the area.
Arran
Clyde coast is the estuary of the River Clyde, generally that part between
Largs and Girvan. Traditional Scottish seaside towns, now somewhat faded
as Scots head for Spain now. Some of the towns are now very delapidated (
Ardrossan, Saltcoats area) but other have retained something of their past
glories, Largs and Ayr.
It's worth seeing for some very nice vistas and ice cream in Nardinis in
Largs. Visit Sandy in Millport (short ferry from Largs). If you have a car,
leave from Glasgow via the M8, heading in the direction of Glasgow Airport
(its well signposted) and turn off at the junction AFTER the airport turn-off
- about 100 yds. It's signposted Irvine. Follow that one until the road
changes from dual carraigeway to single carraigeway at the village of
Kilbarchan (about 3 miles from the turn-off). You're now getting to North
Ayrshire. Follow this road for about another 4 - 5 miles past the village
of Howood until you come to a roundabout which is signposted for Largs to
the right. Turn right and just follow the signs. About a mile down this road
is a turnoff for the village of Lochwinnoch. There's a water park nearby at
Castle Semple Loch if you fancy fishing, messing about in boats or just
woodland walks. Theres also a Country Park nearby at Muirshield, although
you may need stout shoes if you want to go walking on the moor (the climb up
Windy Hill is OK, though)
Stop at the viewpoint at the top of the Hely Brae, about 2 miles before
Largs, and enjoy the view of the nuclear power plant at Hunterston, the ore
terminal sited nearby and to the north, Inverkip power station - all against
a backdrop of the mountains of Arran and the Cowal penninsula. It's very nice
if you ignore the eyesores. Go to Nardinis in Largs and have an ice-cream.
Get the ferry to Cumbrae and have a wander round Millport. If you're lucky, you
might pick up their annual Country and Western week when they deck the town
out like a one in the Wild West (well _some_ shops enter into the spirit of
things). Go back to Largs. Drive down to Ardrossan and get the ferry across
to Arran. Be amazed at what you've found. After a few days of being amazed,
drive up to Lochranza and get the Cloanaig ferry to Kintyre and drive up
to Oban through rarely visited Scottish countryside. Stay the night in
the Kilmartin hotel (can't remember its name, but the food was good and it
had an excellent bar). At Oban, join the tourist Lemmings with a smug grin
on your face that you've seen some rather enjoyable parts of Scotland that
missed in their rush to get 'north'.
The Nit Nurse
Sawney Beane
On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:28:05 +0000, Craig McDowall
<mcd...@tetraworld.com.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>The Clyde Coast is basically the Ayrshire coast on the Firth of Clyde.
>Also known as the "Scottish Riveria" it takes in the coastal towns of
>Largs, Saltcoats, Irvine, Prestwick, Ayr and Girvan. Other highlights
>include : Culzean Castle, Nardini's Cafe in Largs, the Electric Brae and,
>of course, the Bicycle Island.
Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
Miffed (And Hungry),
---Sawney Beane
The Nit Nurse
In article <34c6d6b3...@news.pacbell.net>, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney
Beane) wrote:
| On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:28:05 +0000, Craig McDowall
| <mcd...@tetraworld.com.NOSPAM> wrote:
| >
| >The Clyde Coast is basically the Ayrshire coast on the Firth of Clyde.
[places to visit]
|
| Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
research into your nom-de-plume.
Roderick MacDonald
The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit-Wit) contains these words:
> | Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
> Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
> research into your nom-de-plume.
You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head, a couple
of miles north of Ballantrae, and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
Rod
From deepest darkest Galloway
The Nit Nurse
In article <199801071...@zetnet.co.uk>, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
| The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
| from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit-Wit) contains these words:
|
|
| > | Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
|
| > Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
| > research into your nom-de-plume.
|
| You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
| However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head, a couple
| of miles north of Ballantrae, and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
Interesting.
| I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
I did. Maine's book places it in Galloway. What evidence is there that this
was the cave and it was not further south? .. or is it just locals claiming
the legend as their own because they happen to have a convenient cave and
the story is sufficiently vague on facts?
Roderick MacDonald
The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse) contains these words:
> | > | Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
> |
> | > Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
> | > research into your nom-de-plume.
> |
> | You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
> | However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head, a couple
> | of miles north of Ballantrae, and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
> Interesting.
> | I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
> I did. Maine's book places it in Galloway.
Does Maine bother to say where? The border between Ayrshire and
Galloway was notoriously changeable. Sawney's story appears in
Temperley's "Tales of Galloway" - he names the cave at Benane, and
even gives directions. McLeod's "Discovering Galloway" places it at
Benane (Map reference NX091861), though he quotes a 1914 source
wanting to place the cave in the Rhins. There are a number of caves
there, many of them used by smugglers in the past, but none that I've
seen that satisfy the details of the story (see below).
What evidence is there that this
> was the cave and it was not further south?
Having explored many of the caves of the Galloway/Ayrshire coast
myself, Benane Head is the only one that fits the story - large
enough to accomodate Sawney and his brood, cut off by the high tide,
hidden from easy access at low tide, but close enough to the old
thoroughfare to provide passing snacks. There are no other caves that
tie in with the details of the story that I know of.
.. or is it just locals claiming
> the legend as their own because they happen to have a convenient cave and
> the story is sufficiently vague on facts?
As caves go, it's not very convenient and there is no tourist
industry built up round Sawney's cave, mainly because of its
inaccessibility. Although there is a car park above, as the view from
Benane Head is worth stopping for, very few venture down the hidden
and sometimes treacherous path down the cliffs to the shore. Once
there, the cave itself is difficult to spot. A fissure to the left of
the cave opens up and leads back into the cliff face for at least
several hundred yards. According to the legend, when the kings men
found the cave, they could find nothing until they explored that
fissure where they found Sawney and his grisly family.
The cave is known locally as Sawney's Cave and is accepted as such by
Ayrshire people and Gallovidian alike. Ask at the D&G Tourist Board
and they'll sadly send you to Ayrshire.
Whether Sawney was entirely fictional or based on a historical
character I don't know. It may have been a story invented by
smugglers to keep the superstitious away from the caves, and
successfully adapted for different caves, but if he did exist, it was
at Benane Head.
Rod
Graham Benny
The Nit Nurse wrote:
>
> <r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> | The message from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit-Wit) contains these words:
> |
> | > | Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
> |
> | > Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
> | > research into your nom-de-plume.
> |
> | You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
> | However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head, a couple
> | of miles north of Ballantrae, and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
>
> Interesting.
>
> | I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
>
> was the cave and it was not further south? .. or is it just locals claiming
> the legend as their own because they happen to have a convenient cave and
> the story is sufficiently vague on facts?
I was brought up in South Ayrshire, went to school at Carrick Academy in
Maybole and was always led to believe that Carrick was "that part of
Ayrshire in Galloway"!
Does anyone have definitive boundary information for Galloway?
Were my teachers and local historians just making it up?
As for the truth, or otherwise, of the Sawney Beane story, have any of
the protagonists in the authenticity thread been to the supposed
residence of the Beane family?
It is a reached by a slippery descent of steep grass from the modern
road, which presumably follows the line of ancient paths, so old Sawney
and his tribe would have had to have been pretty surefooted to survive
for long. The grass is almost constantly wet from rain or sea spray.
The 'cave' itself is not much more than a wide fissure in crumbly rocks
and would not be able to shelter a large family especially in stormy
weather. Since the legend has it that there were scores of offspring I
can only imagine that for them all to fit in they must have operated a
shift system - half sheltering while the other half waited up on the
'road' for victims. Or, perhaps they were tiny people, maybe leprechauns
- but that would be reinforcing one legend with another.
Unfortunately, our own SB is no legend but a constant abuser of
bandwidth. Occasionally he has something useful to contribute but most
of the time he just picks his nose and shares the fruits with us every
time someone rattles his cage.
Graham
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Graeme Chesser
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:42:13 +0000, d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse)
stretched, burped and decided to jot down:
>In article <199801071...@zetnet.co.uk>, Roderick MacDonald
><r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>| The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
>| from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit-Wit) contains these words:
>|
>|
>| > | Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!
>|
>| > Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
>| > research into your nom-de-plume.
>|
>| You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
>| However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head, a couple
>| of miles north of Ballantrae, and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
>
>Interesting.
>
>| I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
>
>I did. Maine's book places it in Galloway. What evidence is there that this
>was the cave and it was not further south? .. or is it just locals claiming
>the legend as their own because they happen to have a convenient cave and
>the story is sufficiently vague on facts?
Why don't we just ask the old Beane himself when he reappears from his
bat cave? Down to four possibilities Clyde Riviera, Galloway,
Ayrshire or somewhere in John O Groats? See, no need to use that old
tattered, unused library card ever again. Straight from the horses
mouth.
Cheers!
Graeme
Remove the * on my return address in order to email me.
Note to Spammers:- don't even think about it,
nobody's flame resistant!
Sawney Beane
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:17:14 +0000, da...@bigbutt.com
(The Twit Nurse) wrote:
>
>Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
Oh - I thought you said "_Alloway_..."
>I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some* research
>into your nom-de-plume.
I drove through Troon once - does that count?
Tweaking A Twit,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:25:12 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
> from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit-Wit) contains these words:
*/:~}
>You are quite correct in saying that Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
>However, Sawney's cave is in South Ayrshire at Benane Head,
Er, - "_Beane_ Head," if you don't mind...
The extra 'N' is an Historical Typo...
>a couple of miles north of Ballantrae,
I knew its Master well...
>and twelve miles north of the Galloway coast.
>I'd have thought *you'd* check your facts....
Nah - it never does. See the Crime-Rate Thread from June...
>Rod
>
>From deepest darkest Galloway
Hey! - Get out'n my Cave!
Bloody Squatters,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
>Maine's book places it in Galloway.
Then Maine's book is just as right about that as it is if it claims
I'm *fictional*. You bloody Revisionists never change, do you?
Anytime anything's too Scary or Inconvenient for you to accept,
you just strike it off as "fiction" and deconstruct all the Wonder
right out of it! Well I've News for you, Nut-Nurse: there *is* in
Fact a Great Deal Of Wonder to be found in the history of this
Sad and Beautiful old World we live on. And some of it's Scary,
and some of it's not - but you won't change *my* Reality any
more than you will that of Alexander or Arthur or St. Nicholas,
just by Wishing us Away. Live with it!
>What evidence is there that this was the cave and it was not
>further south?
You are a frightened little child. There are more Things in Heav'n
and Earth than are *dreamt* of in _your_ Narrow Little Philosophy...
>.. or is it just locals claiming the legend as their own because they
>happen to have a convenient cave and the story is sufficiently vague
>on facts?
Keep telling yourself that, if it helps you to order your Tidy little
mind enough to sleep at night...
But Keep One Eye *Open*, Eh?,
---The Bogeyman
Sawney Beane
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:13:22 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Does Maine bother to say where?
Maine is a Pain...
>The border between Ayrshire and Galloway was notoriously changeable.
Your Earl (a Fine Stewart Fellow) will confirm *that*.
>Sawney's story appears in Temperley's "Tales of Galloway" - he names
>the cave at Benane,
Er, that's a wee Typo...
>and even gives directions. McLeod's "Discovering Galloway"
>places it at Benane (Map reference NX091861), though he
>quotes a 1914 source wanting to place the cave in the Rhins.
>There are a number of caves there, many of them used by
>smugglers in the past,
Aye - and a Bloody Pain they were, too! Always well-armed, and so
not as Delectable as their softer, land-locked cousins - tough and
stringy withal - and too Salty...
>but none that I've seen that satisfy the details of the story (see below).
>Having explored many of the caves of the Galloway/Ayrshire coast
>myself, Benane Head is the only one that fits the story -
It's *B -E - A - N - E* Head - the extra 'N' was an Historical Typo
added by some Dhrunken Royal Surveyor when he filled out his
bloody log-book to send back to Edinburgh! Get it Right!
>large enough to accommodate Sawney and his brood, cut off by the
>high tide, hidden from easy access at low tide, but close enough to
>the old thoroughfare to provide passing snacks.
*/<:,~} Aye -<*sniff*>- ye're makin' me go all Teary and Homesick
now, lad -<*snuffle*>- thir was nivver a place like the Auld Cavern...
>There are no other caves that tie in with the details of the story
>that I know of.
>A fissure to the left of the cave opens up and leads back into the cliff
>face for at least several hundred yards. According to the legend, when
>the kings men found the cave, they could find nothing until they explored
>that fissure where they found Sawney and his grisly family.
Hey! */|:~[
>The cave is known locally as Sawney's Cave and is accepted as such
>by Ayrshire people and Gallovidian alike. Ask at the D&G Tourist Board
>and they'll sadly send you to Ayrshire.
Aye - and we've better Malts, too...
>Whether Sawney was entirely fictional or based on a historical character
>I don't know.
*/|:~| Perhaps ye'd like to drap by some Dark Night and
"chew the fat" over it?
>It may have been a story invented by smugglers to keep the superstitious
>away from the caves,
A Likely Story...
>and successfully adapted for different caves, but if he did exist, it was
>at Benane Head.
Er...
That's *Beane* Head,
---Sawney Benane
Sawney Beane
>As for the truth, or otherwise, of the Sawney Beane story, have any of the
>protagonists in the authenticity thread been to the supposed residence of
>the Beane family?
Well, there's *One*, for Sure... But that was Long Ago.
>It is a reached by a slippery descent of steep grass from the modern road,
>which presumably follows the line of ancient paths, so old Sawney and his
>tribe would have had to have been pretty surefooted to survive for long.
Aye, let me give you me and the missus' take on that: Life on
this planet is like Yeast in a great yeast-vat: the quick, smart
Yeast rises to the top, and the slow, stupid Yeast sinks to the
bottom and dies (I heard this Philosophy first put in this way
from an old Sea Captain, who was runnin' some, er... *Goods*
along the coast at the time - lovely chap, and Delicious, too...
Anyway, our view (that's me and the missus) was like this: any
bairn worth savin' could make it on his own - the rest went into
the Pot! Worked muckle well for twenty-five year, too...
>The grass is almost constantly wet from rain or sea spray.
Er, there *weren't_no_grass* there, then; it were all trodden-down
by the constant *walking* over it, y'ken? (And from the Salads, of
course...)
>The 'cave' itself is not much more than a wide fissure in crumbly rocks and
>would not be able to shelter a large family especially in stormy weather.
Oh, and I suppose *you've* done Better for yourself, have ye?!?
>Since the legend has it that there were scores of offspring I can only imagine
>that for them all to fit in
Sounds to me like you _can't_ imagine it - not surprising,
really, for a lack-wit...
>they must have operated a shift system - half sheltering while the other half
>waited up on the 'road' for victims.
Whyn't you see Rod MacDonald's post upthread; does "several hundred
yards" not sound adequate to you? Is *your* House Several Hundred
Yards long???
>Or, perhaps they were tiny people,
I'll "tiny people" ye, ye wee scrawny mince-tart!
Firing The Coals,
---Sawney Beane
Roderick MacDonald
The message <34B3C122...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>
from Graham Benny <cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> contains these words:
> As for the truth, or otherwise, of the Sawney Beane story, have any of
> the protagonists in the authenticity thread been to the supposed
> residence of the Beane family?
> It is a reached by a slippery descent of steep grass from the modern
> road, which presumably follows the line of ancient paths, so old Sawney
> and his tribe would have had to have been pretty surefooted to survive
> for long. The grass is almost constantly wet from rain or sea spray.
> The 'cave' itself is not much more than a wide fissure in crumbly rocks
> and would not be able to shelter a large family especially in stormy
> weather.
Next time you go there, take a torch and look for a narrow opening
inside the cave on the left-hand side. This opens out and leads way
back - over a hundred yards that I know of and, according to an
article in the Glasgow Herald a few years ago, one local has gone
over a mile into the cliff - and would easily shelter Sawney's family.
> Since the legend has it that there were scores of offspring I
> can only imagine that for them all to fit in they must have operated a
> shift system - half sheltering while the other half waited up on the
> 'road' for victims. Or, perhaps they were tiny people, maybe leprechauns
> - but that would be reinforcing one legend with another.
The size of the opening has been decreased by building up the floor
with rocks, to try to deter people from entering. Have a go - it's
worth it, but take proper caving gear.
Rod
Sawney Beane
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:16:38 GMT, g*che...@ednet.co.uk
(Graeme Chesser) wrote:
>
>Why don't we just ask the old Beane himself when he reappears from his
>bat cave?
See my Responses. (And there weren't no Bats - I `et `em!)
>Down to four possibilities Clyde Riviera,
Wasn't he a Lounge Singer in Rothesay?
>Galloway,
Q.) What's a Galloway?
A.) With or without a Hanged Man on it?
>Ayrshire
Spot on - see Rod's post.
>or somewhere in John O Groats?
A wee bit too far North for me... Besides, they have their *own*
Legend there - hight the Wyrm O' Skara Brae - y'ken it?
>See, no need to use that old tattered, unused library card ever
>again. Straight from the horses mouth.
Some on this `group would disagree with you as to the anatomy
of your aphorism - but Fools will follow Fools, now won't they?
>Cheers!
Slainte Mhor,
---Sawney Beane
Roderick MacDonald
The message <34c50821...@news.pacbell.net>
from Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) contains these words:
> >The cave is known locally as Sawney's Cave and is accepted as such
> >by Ayrshire people and Gallovidian alike. Ask at the D&G Tourist Board
> >and they'll sadly send you to Ayrshire.
> Aye - and we've better Malts, too...
I'd love to know of any Ayrshire Malt that can compete with Bladnoch.
In fact I'd like to know of any Ayrshire Malt....
> >Whether Sawney was entirely fictional or based on a historical character
> >I don't know.
> */|:~| Perhaps ye'd like to drap by some Dark Night and
> "chew the fat" over it?
Strangely enough, the last time I went, I ended up legless.
Rod
Graeme Chesser
On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:42 GMT, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane)
stretched, burped and decided to jot down:
>On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:16:38 GMT, g*che...@ednet.co.uk
>(Graeme Chesser) wrote:
>>
>>Why don't we just ask the old Beane himself when he reappears from his
>>bat cave?
>
>See my Responses. (And there weren't no Bats - I `et `em!)
>
>>Down to four possibilities Clyde Riviera,
>
>Wasn't he a Lounge Singer in Rothesay?
>
In what Lounge? And could he really sing? Sure it wasn't you with a
beard and a wig trying to impress the ladies?
>>Galloway,
>
>Q.) What's a Galloway?
>A.) With or without a Hanged Man on it?
>
They produce nice cheddar cheese, I'll give them that. The stuff from
your cave will be a bit too rich for my palette though..... too mature
(no, that's not a pointer to slag my name!)
>>Ayrshire
>
>Spot on - see Rod's post.
Do I really want to see his post?
>
>>or somewhere in John O Groats?
>
>A wee bit too far North for me... Besides, they have their *own*
>Legend there - hight the Wyrm O' Skara Brae - y'ken it?
What? John O' Groats version of Nessie is it? Wonder if Rod's been
out with his torch scaring the locals again.
>
>>See, no need to use that old tattered, unused library card ever
>>again. Straight from the horses mouth.
>
>Some on this `group would disagree with you as to the anatomy
>of your aphorism - but Fools will follow Fools, now won't they?
>
To follow a fool is to be a fool. Sure I heard that in church or
something when I was a nipper.
Graeme Chesser
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:41:12 GMT, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane)
stretched, burped and decided to jot down:
>On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:17:14 +0000, da...@bigbutt.com
>(The Twit Nurse) wrote:
>>
>>Galloway isn't in Ayrshire.
>
>Oh - I thought you said "_Alloway_..."
Alloa you say? Not many caves in Alloa unless you count the brewery
owned pubs.
>
>>I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some* research
>>into your nom-de-plume.
>
>I drove through Troon once - does that count?
Hey! I've been there too! Small world eh?
Cailin J. Callahan
Sawney Beane wrote:
> Smoking A Joint,
> ---Sawney Beane
>
> (Of _meat_, damnit! Get your mind out of the gutter...)
Like smoked mullet: hard to roll--but well worth the effort.
Faolchú Gaelach,
Fairy Goddamnit
Sawney Beane
>In fact I'd like to know of any Ayrshire Malt....
Where's Girvan, Rod me old boy?
>Strangely enough, the last time I went, I ended up legless.
Sawney Beane
>>>Down to four possibilities Clyde Riviera,
>>
>>Wasn't he a Lounge Singer in Rothesay?
>>
>In what Lounge?
The "Dew Drap Inn."
>And could he really sing?
Oh aye! "Guantanamera," the "Theme From Star-Wars," you name it...
>Sure it wasn't you with a beard and a wig trying to impress the ladies?
No, I was eating a waitress under one of the the tables.
>>>Galloway,
>>
>They produce nice cheddar cheese, I'll give them that.
If they _produce_ it, why should they want you to _give_ them any?!?
>The stuff from your cave will be a bit too rich for my palette though.....
Rich - poor - it maks little differ; a Man's a Man, for aa that...
*/|:~}
>>>or somewhere in John O Groats?
>>
>>A wee bit too far North for me... Besides, they have their *own*
>>Legend there - hight the Wyrm O' Skara Brae - y'ken it?
>
>What? John O' Groats version of Nessie is it?
A great Huge *MONSTER* of a Wyrm; Ouroboros-like, all scaly and green,
with great big, scary, sharp, pointed _teeth_!
~Pleasant Dreams~,
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ---Sawney Beane
The Nit Nurse
In article <34B3C122...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>, Graham Benny
<cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> wrote:
| As for the truth, or otherwise, of the Sawney Beane story, have any of
| the protagonists in the authenticity thread been to the supposed
| residence of the Beane family?
I don't think anyone is claiming its true.
| The 'cave' itself is not much more than a wide fissure in crumbly rocks
| and would not be able to shelter a large family especially in stormy
| weather.
If that's true, it doesn't fit in with the story. The cave was supposed
to be over a mile deep with an opening which was almost permanently
flooded except at low tide. It was reputed to be huge with many side openings.
| Since the legend has it that there were scores of offspring I
| can only imagine that for them all to fit in they must have operated a
| shift system - half sheltering while the other half waited up on the
| 'road' for victims.
Well, according to the story, there were 48 of them in all, 27 men and
21 women. When they were caught, they were marched straight to Edinburgh
and immediately executed without so much as a trail or a verdict. The men
were dismembered and left to bleed to death on the Canongate while the women
were burned as witches on the Heart of Midlothian, or wherever they burned
witches in Edinburgh - must've been some BBQ!
| Unfortunately, our own SB is no legend but a constant abuser of
| bandwidth. Occasionally he has something useful to contribute but most
| of the time he just picks his nose and shares the fruits with us every
| time someone rattles his cage.
Yes, I've noticed.
The Nit Nurse
In article <199801071...@zetnet.co.uk>, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
| The message <dam-070198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
| from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse) contains these words:
|
| > I did. Maine's book places it in Galloway.
|
| Does Maine bother to say where?
No. But he does say that there was a fair nearby when the Beanes made
their fatal mistake and this led to the Kings men scouring large parts
of the Galloway coast.
| The border between Ayrshire and
| Galloway was notoriously changeable.
That's possible.
| Sawney's story appears in
| Temperley's "Tales of Galloway" - he names the cave at Benane, and
| even gives directions. McLeod's "Discovering Galloway" places it at
| Benane (Map reference NX091861), though he quotes a 1914 source
| wanting to place the cave in the Rhins.
It does seem odd that it should appear in 2 books on Galloway.
| Having explored many of the caves of the Galloway/Ayrshire coast
| myself, Benane Head is the only one that fits the story - large
| enough to accomodate Sawney and his brood, cut off by the high tide,
| hidden from easy access at low tide, but close enough to the old
| thoroughfare to provide passing snacks. There are no other caves that
| tie in with the details of the story that I know of.
Fair enough. I bow to your superior knowledge of the area.
Graham Benny
Roderick MacDonald wrote:
~
~ The message <34B3C122...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>
~ from Graham Benny <cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> contains these
words:
~ > As for the truth, or otherwise, of the Sawney Beane story, have any
of
~ > the protagonists in the authenticity thread been to the supposed
~ > residence of the Beane family?
~ > It is a reached by a slippery descent of steep grass from the modern
~ > road, which presumably follows the line of ancient paths, so old
Sawney
~ > and his tribe would have had to have been pretty surefooted to
survive
~ > for long. The grass is almost constantly wet from rain or sea spray.
~ > The 'cave' itself is not much more than a wide fissure in crumbly
rocks
~ > and would not be able to shelter a large family especially in stormy
~ > weather.
~ Next time you go there, take a torch and look for a narrow opening
~ inside the cave on the left-hand side. This opens out and leads way
~ back - over a hundred yards that I know of and, according to an
~ article in the Glasgow Herald a few years ago, one local has gone
~ over a mile into the cliff - and would easily shelter Sawney's family.
Apologies! It was a long time ago when I went there - not so long ago
that torches had not been invented though. I nipped down one day when
out cycling but did not have a torch so there was no obvious
continuation at the (dark) back of the cave. Next time I'm down there
visiting my parents I'll have another look.
~ > Since the legend has it that there were scores of offspring I
~ > can only imagine that for them all to fit in they must have operated
a
~ > shift system - half sheltering while the other half waited up on the
~ > 'road' for victims. Or, perhaps they were tiny people, maybe
leprechauns
~ > - but that would be reinforcing one legend with another.
~
~ The size of the opening has been decreased by building up the floor
~ with rocks, to try to deter people from entering. Have a go - it's
~ worth it, but take proper caving gear.
~
From what I remember all the rock down the coast there is very crumbly
so it might even have filled up naturally. From the mention of caving
gear I might have to reconsider exploring the cave - I'm a real feartie
when it comes to claustrophobic spaces.
Ta for the info,
Graham Benny
Sawney Beane wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:21:57 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
> <r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In fact I'd like to know of any Ayrshire Malt....
>
> Where's Girvan, Rod me old boy?
>
Malt.
Most fools know that Grant's distillery at Girvan only produces
_*grain*_ whisky!
Roderick MacDonald
The message <34c78b17...@news.pacbell.net>
from Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) contains these words:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:21:57 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
> <r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >In fact I'd like to know of any Ayrshire Malt....
> Where's Girvan, Rod me old boy?
Oh dear. Beautiful Girvan, home of the seaweed factory, is also home
to Ladyburn. I'd forgotten about it as it's only available for
export, and unlisted in the various Scotch whisky almanacs.
Alarm bells ringing?
I hope you didn't buy too many bottles!!!!
Rod
john maxwell
(Sawney Beane)
When did this Sawney Beane "incident" occur? My brother mentioned the
story to me but placed the events in Kintyre, rather than Galloway.
JM
Roderick MacDonald
The message <dam-090198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
from d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse) contains these words:
> | The border between Ayrshire and
> | Galloway was notoriously changeable.
> That's possible.
> | Sawney's story appears in
> | Temperley's "Tales of Galloway" - he names the cave at Benane, and
> | even gives directions. McLeod's "Discovering Galloway" places it at
> | Benane (Map reference NX091861), though he quotes a 1914 source
> | wanting to place the cave in the Rhins.
> It does seem odd that it should appear in 2 books on Galloway.
Not at all. You shouldn't rely on regional government boundaries to
define a geographical and historical area. Benane Head was in what
was considered Galloway in Sawney's time but is now in South
Ayrshire. Any book on Galloway that didn't include reference to
Sawney, or the equally famous murder-hole, would not be worth buying.
> | Having explored many of the caves of the Galloway/Ayrshire coast
> | myself, Benane Head is the only one that fits the story - large
> | enough to accomodate Sawney and his brood, cut off by the high tide,
> | hidden from easy access at low tide, but close enough to the old
> | thoroughfare to provide passing snacks. There are no other caves that
> | tie in with the details of the story that I know of.
> Fair enough. I bow to your superior knowledge of the area.
I hope your bowing will not stop short of an apology to Mr. Beane for
your response to Sawney's: "Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!" of:
"Galloway isn't in Ayrshire. I'd have thought you'd at least have done *some*
research into your nom-de-plume."
It appears *he* had.
Waiting to See a "Sorry",
---Rod
Roderick MacDonald
The message <34B6248E...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>
from Graham Benny <cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> contains these words:
> >
> Any fool knows Girvan is in Ayrshire, but what's that got to do with
> Malt.
> Most fools know that Grant's distillery at Girvan only produces
> _*grain*_ whisky!
> Graham
There is a malt called Ladyburn produced for export only according to
my local whisky expert - he also tells me it's shite, but then he was
drinking Glenfiddich at the time. I haven't tasted Ladyburn so cannot
comment, but mine's a Bladnoch every time Tally's not available.
I fear your comment above makes you likely to be "Sawneyed" shortly.
Regards
Rod
Graham Benny
Roderick MacDonald wrote:
>
> The message <34B6248E...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>
> from Graham Benny <cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> contains these words:
>
> > >
> > Any fool knows Girvan is in Ayrshire, but what's that got to do with
> > Malt.
> > Most fools know that Grant's distillery at Girvan only produces
> > _*grain*_ whisky!
>
> > Graham
>
> There is a malt called Ladyburn produced for export only according to
> my local whisky expert - he also tells me it's shite, but then he was
> drinking Glenfiddich at the time. I haven't tasted Ladyburn so cannot
> comment, but mine's a Bladnoch every time Tally's not available.
>
Oops! Never heard of it in spite of being brung up 10 miles up the
Girvan valley from Girvan itself and spent lots of time there. Any idea
where exactly it is so I can send my old man to investigate. He's a
lover of malts (makes birthday and Xmas presents easy) and has the same
top 2 as me - Lagavulin followed by Talisker as a very, very, very...
close second.
> I fear your comment above makes you likely to be "Sawneyed" shortly.
>
Putting on my shiteproof jacket right now,
Michael Wade
In article <34B64FFD...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk>, Graham Benny
<cnb...@cc.sun.strath.ac.uk> writes
>
>Oops! Never heard of it in spite of being brung up 10 miles up the
>Girvan valley from Girvan itself and spent lots of time there. Any idea
>where exactly it is so I can send my old man to investigate.
It says 'ere, in the *World Guide to Whisky*, which happens to be upon
my desk:
[of Girvan]
The area is known for its potatoes, dairy cattle and bacon. Its
lightly sweet Ladyburn malt whisky is not marketed as a single
by the distillery although the occasional bottling can be found.
The distillery welcomes visitors. There are about half a dozen
companies in the whisky business with the name Grant. This one,
a family firm, is best known for its Speyside single malt,
Glenfiddich, and its Grant's blends.
[Of the taste]
It has a Bourbon aroma and a lightly sweet palate, developing
into a surprisingly powerful, long, lingering, dry finish. A
lowland partner to Glenfiddich.
--
Michael Wade
The Nit Nurse
In article <199801091...@zetnet.co.uk>, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
|
| I hope your bowing will not stop short of an apology to Mr. Beane for
| your response to Sawney's: "Hey! You forgot my Cave!!!" of:
Alas. Subsequent postings and information have revealed that 'Mr Beane' does
not exist and is merely a troll-by-committee of the discorian variety, any
apology would be lost on it. Indeed, starvation of attention is probably what
it really needs so, no can do.
HTH
djawvit
In article <199801080...@zetnet.co.uk>, From Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk>, the following was written:
> In fact I'd like to know of any Ayrshire Malt....
Doesn't Johny Walker (from Kilmarnock) make a malt?
--
djawvit dja...@easa.org.nz
01/10/98 08:27
---------
Using: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 from http://www.peaktopeak.com
http://www.wave.co.nz/pages/ardmacha
Sawney Beane
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:48 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
Rod, you're a Dear Sweet Man, but, whereas an Apology from *you*
for any slight you may in future offer me would then be Welcomed and
Accepted, one from this ignorant `Weegie poof carries as much currency
with me as a three-pound Note...
>Waiting to See a "Sorry",
Hate means never having to say you're sorry.
Thanks Anyway,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
>Any fool knows Girvan is in Ayrshire, but what's that got to do with Malt.
I direct your attention to my response to Rod MacDonald's post
and to that of Mr. Wade.
Slainte,
---Sawney Beane
Sawney Beane
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:55:53 +0000, Michael Wade
<cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>It says 'ere, in the *World Guide to Whisky*, which happens to be upon
>my desk:
*/:~}
> It has a Bourbon aroma and a lightly sweet palate, developing
> into a surprisingly powerful, long, lingering, dry finish. A lowland
> partner to Glenfiddich.
See my response to Rod MacDonald for further info.
Thanks Mikey,
---Sawney Beane
Graeme Chesser
On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 02:46:15 GMT, Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane)
stretched, burped and decided to jot down:
>On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:40:47 GMT, g*che...@ednet.co.uk
>(Graeme Chesser) wrote:
>
>>>>Down to four possibilities Clyde Riviera,
>>>
>>>Wasn't he a Lounge Singer in Rothesay?
>>>
>>In what Lounge?
>
>The "Dew Drap Inn."
>
>>And could he really sing?
>
>Oh aye! "Guantanamera," the "Theme From Star-Wars," you name it...
>
Bet he couldn't strum the guitar like the guy out of La Bamba though
(or was it a lute?)
>>Sure it wasn't you with a beard and a wig trying to impress the ladies?
>
>No, I was eating a waitress under one of the the tables.
>
All while singing Guantanamera, eating a beef vindaloo and downing 15
pints? What a machine! Just what WILL the wife say...
>>>>Galloway,
>>>
>>They produce nice cheddar cheese, I'll give them that.
>
>If they _produce_ it, why should they want you to _give_ them any?!?
>
Fair point. Better to leave it in yer cave and let em' battle the
Bean Monster from the deep while trying to reach it.
>>The stuff from your cave will be a bit too rich for my palette though.....
>
>Rich - poor - it maks little differ; a Man's a Man, for aa that...
>
>*/|:~}
Except an English man per chance?
>
>>>>or somewhere in John O Groats?
>>>
>>>A wee bit too far North for me... Besides, they have their *own*
>>>Legend there - hight the Wyrm O' Skara Brae - y'ken it?
>>
>>What? John O' Groats version of Nessie is it?
>
>A great Huge *MONSTER* of a Wyrm; Ouroboros-like, all scaly and green,
>with great big, scary, sharp, pointed _teeth_!
Yep, definitely sounds like Rod.
Sawney Beane
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:20:28 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Alarm bells ringing?
Actually, I'd quite forgotten about Ladyburn, but Fat Mikey (who
knows his Malts, for a puppy-kicking Anglish-bastid) has given
a more-or-less accurate review upthread - not *Bad*, per se'...
But you must know that there are various *smaller* distilleries in
the area, which turn out production that is snaffled up by large
wholesalers who then export it under their own labels as "Girvan"
Malt. I have purchased (and consumed) many such small-lot
malts, some 26-years old and *all* over-proof at _no_less_ than
48%. *Very* smooth, with just a _hint_ of bite to `em; and sweet-y,
rather than peat-y. Delectable.
Sometimes, we expats get what you _cannot_... */:~}
>I hope you didn't buy too many bottles!!!!
Nope - I'm a Balvenie Man, m'self; I've three left of a case I got in
July - for about 50% of what it would have cost me in Dufftown!!!
Smug And Loving It,
---Sawney Beane
A.T.Morton
In article <34b19c85...@news.net1comm.com>,
Marc Raizman <mrai...@net1comm.com> wrote:
> Someone mentioned to a friend the Clyde Coast and we both don't know
> what he was talking about. We would appreciate a short explanation
> and what might be of interest to a tourist visiting the area. Thanks.
If you want it short or very short then you already have a reasonable
amount of info. If you want it a bit (?) longer send me an email and I'll
write you a guide book!
The Clyde Coast stretches from Port Glasgow to Ayr on mainland Scotland
and encompasses the adjacent islands of Arran, Bute and Cumbrae. It also
includes the Cowal peninsula and the wee bit of ground around Helensburgh
which is currently polluted with nuclear submarines!
HTH
--
Sandy Millport
on the bicycle island
Andy
However if you're a SCUBA diver the recompression facility, may be of
use!
Roderick MacDonald
The message <Nq3U1RAZ...@mwade.demon.co.uk>
from Michael Wade <cel...@mwade.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> It has a Bourbon aroma and a lightly sweet palate, developing
> into a surprisingly powerful, long, lingering, dry finish. A
> lowland partner to Glenfiddich.
If it partners Glenfiddich then that's good enough reason to sling it
down the cludge.
As for the odd relabelled bottle that turns up across the pond as
Girvan Whisky, you're welcome to it, Sawney, and many apologies for
having doubted your word that Ayrshire malts exist. It must do the
good people of Girvan the world of good to know that their local
distillation is so highly thought of in San Fran.
Now if you were to try the Bladnoch....
Sawney Beane
>As for the odd relabelled bottle that turns up across the pond as
>Girvan Whisky, you're welcome to it, Sawney, and many apologies
>for having doubted your word that Ayrshire malts exist.
Ne'er doot me on the Whisky, mon...
>It must do the good people of Girvan the world of good to know
>that their local distillation is so highly thought of in San Fran.
I tell you, if you check the Age and the Proof, you _can't_ go wrong.
>Now if you were to try the Bladnoch....
Weel noo, why'nt ye jist *send* me a tun of it, eh?
(Then I Can Judge It *Fairly*),
---Sawney Beane
A.T.Morton
In article <34b83c01...@news.cableinet.net>,
Andy <and...@mince.cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> However if you're a SCUBA diver the recompression facility, may be of
> use!
The one at UMBSM in Millport is more regularly used by sport divers.
Cailin J. Callahan
And I, of course, most humbly volunteer to assist in said "proving" of
the whiskies. No charge.
Why, if it's really good I may even write it inot the story line of my
next book...
Faolchú Gaelach,
Fairy Goddamnit
Andy
Not if you're diving in Loch Long! BTW What does UMBSM mean?
Andy
.-.
.( °>
//)'')
///''/
//-"-"--
Roderick MacDonald
The message <34bdb6d0...@news.pacbell.net>
from Hav...@Nice.Snack (Sawney Beane) contains these words:
> >Now if you were to try the Bladnoch....
> Weel noo, why'nt ye jist *send* me a tun of it, eh?
> (Then I Can Judge It *Fairly*),
> ---Sawney Beane
Bladnoch is so good that even one bottle would cost you too much -
your anonymity.
Rod
Sawney Beane
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:20:45 GMT, Roderick MacDonald
<r.mac...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Bladnoch is so good that even one bottle would cost you too much -
>your anonymity.
Well - I *could* tell you who I am...
But Then I'd Have To Kill And Eat You,
---Sawney Beane
G.S.Sinclair
In article <dam-090198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>,
d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse) wrote:
>Alas. Subsequent postings and information have revealed that 'Mr Beane' does
>not exist and is merely a troll-by-committee of the discorian variety, any
>apology would be lost on it. Indeed, starvation of attention is probably what
>it really needs so, no can do.
I'm afraid you've just afforded him more status than he warrants. There's
no committee at work, just some sad lonely warped wee man with nothing better
to do in his life.
As for his discorian connections, I reckon they're tenuous. My guess is he
just read about it and thought it would be clever to use the name. The
fact he wasn't aware that others had already beaten him to the use of the
discordian nonsense on usenet bears this out.
Starvation of attention, no matter how desirable (as it is attention the
poor wee soul craves), isn't really possible while he insists on
responding to every single thread with insults.
-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'
/ G.S.Sinclair. /
/ put dot uk on the end of gss at /
/ pgm dot gla dot ac /
-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~'~-..-~
- Mail to header address is automatically
deleted on receipt, it doesn't get read -
Cailin J. Callahan
Graham Benny wrote:
> Any idea
> lover of malts (makes birthday and Xmas presents easy) and has the same
> top 2 as me - Lagavulin followed by Talisker as a very, very, very...
> close second.
> > I fear your comment above makes you likely to be "Sawneyed" shortly.
> Putting on my shiteproof jacket right now,
> Graham
I must say those have always been my most favorite as well--and in that
same order since, although the balance of tastes in Lagavulin and
Talisker seem nearly identical to me, the Lagavulin has a certain
smoothness that Talisker lacks. To my sensibilities Talisker overwhelms
my senses like a wildman in heat. While Lagavulin is a symphony of
sensation--it's overture as lambent as moonlight upon water or the touch
of an adoring lover. Its intermezzo is a chorus singing a crescendo
allegretto and it's finale a crisp staccato invoking sighs of ephemeral
satisfaction as it invites you to "sip again".
I hate the stuff so much I have to drink it just to get it out of my
sight.
<sip... siiiiigh...>
Laphroaig is nice as well...
Faolchú Gaelach
A.T.Morton
In article <34b95268...@news.cableinet.net>,
Andy <and...@mince.cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> Not if you're diving in Loch Long! BTW What does UMBSM mean?
University Marine Biological Station Millport.
Has its own decompression chamber at the top of Keppel Pier and is
regularly used by sport divers since the Navy prefer to keep theirs for
their staff.
The Nit Nurse
In article <69d0rg$1...@singer.cent.gla.ac.uk>, junk...@pgm.gla.ac.uk
(G.S.Sinclair) wrote:
| In article <dam-090198...@kerrera.dcs.gla.ac.uk>,
| d...@bigfoot.com (The Nit Nurse) wrote:
|
| >Alas. Subsequent postings and information have revealed that 'Mr Beane' does
| >not exist and is merely a troll-by-committee of the discorian variety, any
| >apology would be lost on it. Indeed, starvation of attention is probably what
| >it really needs so, no can do.
|
| I'm afraid you've just afforded him more status than he warrants. There's
| no committee at work, just some sad lonely warped wee man with nothing better
| to do in his life.
Well maybe. He does post at some very odd times. I'd assumed that he was in
the US as he uses Pacific Bell but his articles are frequently posted in
the morning GMT which would make it about 3 am Pacific time.
| Starvation of attention, no matter how desirable (as it is attention the
| poor wee soul craves), isn't really possible while he insists on
| responding to every single thread with insults.
Depends on whether you rise to the bait or not, that's the point of the
insults, isn't it? Once you're 'hooked' it's pretty difficult to break free.
Andy
>Graham Benny wrote:
>> Any idea
>> where exactly it is so I can send my old man to investigate. He's a
>> lover of malts (makes birthday and Xmas presents easy) and has the same=
>
>> top 2 as me - Lagavulin followed by Talisker as a very, very, very...
>> close second.
> =
>
>> > I fear your comment above makes you likely to be "Sawneyed" shortly.
>
>> Putting on my shiteproof jacket right now,
>> Graham
>
>I must say those have always been my most favorite as well--and in that
>same order since, although the balance of tastes in Lagavulin and
>Talisker seem nearly identical to me, the Lagavulin has a certain
>smoothness that Talisker lacks. To my sensibilities Talisker overwhelms
>my senses like a wildman in heat. While Lagavulin is a symphony of
>sensation--it's overture as lambent as moonlight upon water or the touch
>of an adoring lover. Its intermezzo is a chorus singing a crescendo
>allegretto and it's finale a crisp staccato invoking sighs of ephemeral
>satisfaction as it invites you to "sip again". =
>
>
>I hate the stuff so much I have to drink it just to get it out of my
>sight.
>
><sip... siiiiigh...>
>
>Laphroaig is nice as well... =
>
>
>Faolch=FA Gaelach
I think the thread's are mixed up, but the best malts are all from
Islay. No question!!
Andy
~~~
Andy
Thanks!
I've never needed it (don't know any one who has been unfortunate
enough to have) but the Faslane one is available in an emergency, I
hope?
Andy
~~~
BTW Do you dive? If you want to e-mail me direct, remove the "mince."
Graham Benny
Cailin J. Callahan wrote:
>
> Graham Benny wrote:
> > Any idea
> > where exactly it is so I can send my old man to investigate. He's a
> > lover of malts (makes birthday and Xmas presents easy) and has the same
> > close second.
>
>
> > Putting on my shiteproof jacket right now,
> > Graham
>
> I must say those have always been my most favorite as well--and in that
> same order since, although the balance of tastes in Lagavulin and
> Talisker seem nearly identical to me, the Lagavulin has a certain
> smoothness that Talisker lacks. To my sensibilities Talisker overwhelms
> my senses like a wildman in heat. While Lagavulin is a symphony of
> sensation--it's overture as lambent as moonlight upon water or the touch
> of an adoring lover. Its intermezzo is a chorus singing a crescendo
> allegretto and it's finale a crisp staccato invoking sighs of ephemeral
> satisfaction as it invites you to "sip again".
Wow! Caaaalm dowwwn a wee bit.
I agree Talisker has a more powerful effect, without being rough. Don't
know about a 'wildman in heat' though, don't come across too many of
them except perhaps in front of the mirror on Friday nights trimming the
whiskers before going out on the ran-dan.
Naturally I treat myself to a few Taliskers whenever I am in Skye since
it fits the rugged scenery better than any other.
However, my normal preference is for Lagavulin since it is such an all
round enjoyable experience. I can't put it quite as poetically as you
did though.
>
> I hate the stuff so much I have to drink it just to get it out of my
> sight.
>
> <sip... siiiiigh...>
It has that effect on most people.
>
> Laphroaig is nice as well...
>
A bit too pungent for my taste, but of course if it is offered, free,
then it would be churlish to refuse...
There was a recent advertising campaign over here using a love it or
hate it theme which seemed to sum up most peoples reaction to its
extreme flavours. I suspect the campaign was aimed at the 'macho
market'.
Noticed a posting here today claiming the new Ardbeg was even better
than Lagavulin which is quite a claim obviously. Still to see any in the
shops here but will be keeping an eye out for it.
And still have not seen any Ladyburn, which sort of started this branch
of the thread off, but my research (to cover any likely Sawneying)
revealed that the malt part of Grant's distillery only operated for 10
years and closed down in 1976. So any supplies will be rare, or if they
have only been released recently it will be a well-aged malt.
> Faolchú Gaelach
Keep taking the medicine,
Cailin J. Callahan
Andy wrote:<snip>
> I think the thread's are mixed up, but the best malts are all from
> Islay. No question!!
>
> Andy
> ~~~
I quite adore Laphroaig as well!
Faolchú Gaelach
"Discretion is the better part of valor. Arrogance is the functional
part."
Cailin J. Callahan
Graham Benny wrote:
>
> Cailin J. Callahan wrote:
<snip>
> > I must say those have always been my most favorite as well--and in that
> > same order since, although the balance of tastes in Lagavulin and
> > Talisker seem nearly identical to me, the Lagavulin has a certain
> > smoothness that Talisker lacks. To my sensibilities Talisker overwhelms
> > my senses like a wildman in heat. While Lagavulin is a symphony of
> > sensation--it's overture as lambent as moonlight upon water or the touch
> > of an adoring lover. Its intermezzo is a chorus singing a crescendo
> > allegretto and it's finale a crisp staccato invoking sighs of ephemeral
> > satisfaction as it invites you to "sip again".
>
> Wow! Caaaalm dowwwn a wee bit.
*What* would be the diversion in *that*?
Besiiiides, that's what the whiskey's for.
> I agree Talisker has a more powerful effect, without being rough. Don't
> know about a 'wildman in heat' though, don't come across too many of
> them except perhaps in front of the mirror on Friday nights trimming the
> whiskers before going out on the ran-dan.
Wild men can be quite appealing from time to time... I never said I
didn't like the effect, after all...
> Naturally I treat myself to a few Taliskers whenever I am in Skye since
> it fits the rugged scenery better than any other.
> However, my normal preference is for Lagavulin since it is such an all
> round enjoyable experience. I can't put it quite as poetically as you
> did though.
Well, being gently wooed is certainly *my* preference *most* of the
time. I like balances. So, likelihood is, I'd drink something smooth to
more *offset* the rugged Skye scenery... But then I rather *like*
extremes of sensations...
> > I hate the stuff so much I have to drink it just to get it out of my
> > sight.
> >
> > <sip... siiiiigh...>
>
> It has that effect on most people.
Doesn't that sound all nice and calm?
> > Laphroaig is nice as well...
> A bit too pungent for my taste, but of course if it is offered, free,
> then it would be churlish to refuse...
Well, we simply *mustn't* appear churlish (or truculent)...
I do like the bite of Laphroaig. It grows on you. If you drink it often
enough, Talisker and Lagavulin just seem to get lost in your mouth after
a while.
> There was a recent advertising campaign over here using a love it or
> hate it theme which seemed to sum up most peoples reaction to its
> extreme flavours. I suspect the campaign was aimed at the 'macho
> market'.
Most anyone who drinks it long enough will come to prefer it--I would
predict.
> Noticed a posting here today claiming the new Ardbeg was even better
> than Lagavulin which is quite a claim obviously.
(>Gasp!<)
Blasphemy!
> Still to see any in the
> shops here but will be keeping an eye out for it.
> And still have not seen any Ladyburn, which sort of started this branch
> of the thread off, but my research (to cover any likely Sawneying)
> revealed that the malt part of Grant's distillery only operated for 10
> years and closed down in 1976. So any supplies will be rare, or if they
> have only been released recently it will be a well-aged malt.
And the search for ya-yas goes on...
> > Faolchú Gaelach
>
> Keep taking the medicine,
> Graham
Aye, aye, Sir! Likewise. {;-)