Re teaching of creationism... It is not just the Americans....
Douglas Clark
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Cory Bhreckan
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
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>
What's this?!?
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The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall
Ejaycee
"Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Douglas Clark wrote:
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
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> What's this?!?
Isn't that a link to a web site??
Ejay
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Don't go near it.
It's got the word 'faith' in the title.
Ejaycee
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
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There's certainly no hope
Ejay>
conwaycaine
He's just a yankee, ejay.
Cut the poor lad some slack.
conwaycaine
Sure there is.
Have faith..........
Cory Bhreckan
I could use some charity.
>
> Ejay>
Douglas Clark
The Phantom Piper
>
> Does nobody like my bit of fun?
Perhaps it didn't strike many people as Fun?
You must have a *wonderful* time during Earthquakes,
Plagues Of Locusts, and Rains Of Fire From The Sky!
I'm guessing that when *most* readers hear news of
the slow but certain advance of Moronic Idiocy in their
societies, they tend to become more apprehensive and
withdrawn, not celebratory. Just imagine the response
you'd have received if you'd posted an article revealing
that more people were burning scientists at the stake,
or that cannibalism was returning to vogue!
*/:~.
Well, Actually...
The Phantom Piper
Ejaycee
"Douglas Clark" <dgdc...@dgdclynx.plus.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What's this?!?
>>> Isn't that a link to a web site??
>> He's just a yankee, ejay.
>> Cut the poor lad some slack.
> Does nobody like my bit of fun? It was even in the Guardian.
Sorry Douglas - I went back and had a look at the site but didn't get past
the first
sentence and my eyes started to glaze over ...............
It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it ended and I
have to say
I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
Ejay
conwaycaine
> Ejaycee wrote:
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> news:xcednVaQqoCuMHvX...@westnet.com.au...
>>> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>> "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:hc4epb$v9r$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Douglas Clark wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What's this?!?
>>>> Isn't that a link to a web site??
>>> Don't go near it.
>>> It's got the word 'faith' in the title.
>>
>> There's certainly no hope
>
> I could use some charity.
Look out, guys.
He's thinking of pillaging Atlanta again.
deem...@aol.com
> "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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> > Ejaycee wrote:
> >> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
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> >>>news:oIydncEiB4EwBHvX...@westnet.com.au...
> >>>> "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:hc4epb$v9r$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
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> >>>>> Douglas Clark wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
>
> >>>>> What's this?!?
> >>>> Isn't that a link to a web site??
> >>> Don't go near it.
> >>> It's got the word 'faith' in the title.
>
> >> There's certainly no hope
>
> > I could use some charity.
>
> Look out, guys.
Nah, he'd get caught in the road construction. It's hard to pull
off a quick hit and run when traffic is backed up to Chatanooga.
Lesley Robertson
> It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it ended
> and I have to say
> I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
>
What was it?
I'm not reading anything to do with the subject until one of these
Flat Earthers explains to me the Intelligent Design behind
Mycobacterium leprae.
Lesley Robertson
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
Hm. Personally, I'd like them to explain the cellular
mitochondrion...why does such a ubiquitous organelle,
even today, keep its genetic bags packed as if it ex-
pects our cells to throw it out in the cold without no-
tice?
Deirdre
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wrote:
> "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
I know! I know!
Gawd works in mysterious ways?
Something has to kill you?
So pretentious priest types can say "See! This is what happens
when you piss off Gawd!"?
deem...@aol.com
<finch.enter...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Lesley Robertson wrote:
> > "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:3Y2dnexiS6tAr3XX...@westnet.com.au...
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> >> It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it ended
> >> and I have to say
> >> I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
>
> > What was it?
> > I'm not reading anything to do with the subject until one of these Flat
> > Earthers explains to me the Intelligent Design behind Mycobacterium leprae.
>
> Hm. Personally, I'd like them to explain the cellular
> mitochondrion...why does such a ubiquitous organelle,
> even today, keep its genetic bags packed as if it ex-
> pects our cells to throw it out in the cold without no-
> tice?
>
We can't have all that messy mitochondrial DNA floating freely
in the cytoplasm! Remember, tidiness is next to Gawdliness!
Ejaycee
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> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3Y2dnexiS6tAr3XX...@westnet.com.au...
>
>> It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it ended and
>> I have to say
>> I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
>>
> What was it?
Oh cripes Lesley - I can't remember word for word and I can't be st**fed
looking again, but ASFAIR was something about stduents being able to
bring anything up in science lectures, and after all the big words and
comments I didn't understand and which didn't mean anything [to me]
I just had this mental picture of science students vomiting all over the
place ........I know...... I'm warped......
Ejay
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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It's just as I was explaining to Scotty re global temperature.. There are
always short term fluctuations in any long term trend.
Thus it is with the gradual rise of humanity towards knowledge despite
religious dogma.
The religious maniacs tried to suppress the discovery that the Earth orbits
the sun for example - time passes and truth will out.
Now the religious maniacs are trying to suppress the discovery that life
evolved from single-celled organisms to complex self-aware mammals.
It's nothing new. Time will pass and truth will out.
Very dodgy article anyway.
As far as I can interpret from the spin most people were tolerant enough to
agree that traditional creationist fairy tales have a place - just not in
the science classroom.
And what about all the other creationist tales - Hindu's, Aborogines,
Maori's and just about every other race or religion have their own versions.
Why teach only the Christian version - especialy in a largely secular and
otherwise multi-denominational country
If they are going to teach middle-eastern bronze age mythology then they
should also teach about the The Giant Invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster -
there exists just as much scientific proof after all.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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According to Bill Hicks, God put fundamentalist Christians on earth to test
our faith in humanity.
He's on good form here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo&feature=related
The Phantom Piper
>
> The religious maniacs tried to suppress the discovery
> that the Earth orbits the sun for example - time passes
> and truth will out.
International Results, From The Gallup Organisation:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx
"Four out of Five Americans Know
Earth Revolves Around Sun
Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup
also asked the following basic science question, which
has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge
in two European countries in recent years: "As far as
you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does
the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about
four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that
the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the
other way around. These results are comparable to those
found in Germany when a similar question was asked there
in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave
the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved
around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When
the question was asked in Great Britain that same year,
67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and
14% didn't know."
So if we average the States, Germany, and the UK (and
ignore the differences in population size, because I can't
be arsed to correct for them at this moment), we see that
roughly 18% of the Industrialised Western Democracies
think the Sun orbits the Earth (with another 8% Not Certain),
leaving only about 74% of the populace who actually know
(or think) that the Earth orbits the Sun.
This corresponds with my theory (derived from observing
Conservatardis Amercanis) that roughly 1/4 of the entire
human species is responsible for all of the problems of
the entire world throughout History...
The problem is that, with technology sufficiently advanced
now to Actually Make A Difference, those fuckups (who
would number in total what now - about 1,750,000,000?)
can actually do things which might lead to the destruction
of the entire species.
Watching The Marching-Moron Monkeymass,
The Phantom Piper
Fifeshire Floozie
> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote
>> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote
>>> It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it
>>> ended and I have to say
>>> I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
>>>
>> What was it?
>
> Oh cripes Lesley - I can't remember word for word and I can't be
> st**fed
> looking again, but ASFAIR was something about stduents being able
> to
> bring anything up in science lectures, and after all the big words
> and
> comments I didn't understand and which didn't mean anything [to me]
> I just had this mental picture of science students vomiting all over
> the
> place ........I know...... I'm warped......
>
"In my experience in the UK, the overwhelming majority of science
teachers do not want creationism or intelligent design taught as valid
scientific alternatives to evolution, but are often comfortable with
pupils bringing up such ideas," Professor Reiss said. "When I was
taught science, we were allowed to bring anything up in lessons."
Adam Whyte-Settlar
On Oct 28, 5:26 pm, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
> The religious maniacs tried to suppress the discovery
> that the Earth orbits the sun for example - time passes
> and truth will out.
roughly 18% of the Industrialised Western Democracies
think the Sun orbits the Earth
Cheer up - if the religious maniacs had their way it would still be 99% and
the other 1% would still be keeping their mouths shut.
This corresponds with my theory (derived from observing
Conservatardis Amercanis) that roughly 1/4 of the entire
human species is responsible for all of the problems of
the entire world throughout History...
I have a similar theory re gun ownership.
It's not the guns that are the problem so much as the legions of retards who
are allowed to own them.
The problem is that, with technology sufficiently advanced
now to Actually Make A Difference, those fuckups (who
would number in total what now - about 1,750,000,000?)
can actually do things which might lead to the destruction
of the entire species.
Cheer up. 74% of them know they will be doing God's Will.
conwaycaine
"Deirdre Sholto Douglas" <finch.e...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Lesley Robertson wrote:
>> "Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:3Y2dnexiS6tAr3XX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>> It seemed awfy serious for a bit of fun so I cut to see how it ended and
>>> I have to say
>>> I did find the last sentence pretty funny.
>>>
>> What was it?
>> I'm not reading anything to do with the subject until one of these Flat
>> Earthers explains to me the Intelligent Design behind Mycobacterium
>> leprae.
>
> Hm. Personally, I'd like them to explain the cellular
> mitochondrion...why does such a ubiquitous organelle,
> even today, keep its genetic bags packed as if it ex-
> pects our cells to throw it out in the cold without no-
> tice?
Asi es la vida, Deidre.
We all do what we have to do in order to survive.
(And pass on the DNA)
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> Why teach only the Christian version - especialy in a largely secular and
> otherwise multi-denominational country
> If they are going to teach middle-eastern bronze age mythology then they
> should also teach about the The Giant Invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster -
> there exists just as much scientific proof after all.
Good old Adam.
He has the same six drums which he constantly beats hell out of.
And they are:
1. Christians
2. Conservative Americans
3. Liberal Americans
4. Global warming denialists
5. Knuckle dragging, right wing, fascist rightards wherever they may be
found.
6. Southern Americans (no wait, that would be poo poo).
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> Cheer up. 74% of them know they will be doing God's Will.
Boom! Boom! Boom!
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> According to Bill Hicks, God put fundamentalist Christians on earth to
> test our faith in humanity.
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Scotty
>It's just as I was explaining to Scotty re global temperature.. There are
>always short term fluctuations in any long term trend.
Hey! I'm the one who has actually read the IPCC documents. let me re-quote
it just for you.
In the IPCC�s most recent Assessment Report (AR4 WG1 8.3 and 9.4) as well
as in the relevant primary literature, the AR4 Synthesis Report states:
"On scales [smaller than 50 years], natural climate variability is
relatively larger [than human influences], making it harder to distinguish
changes expected due to external [e.g.man-made] forcings".
Do you see, "natural climate variability" in there?
That takes us back to 1960... and don't forget that 1932 was warmer than it
is today. But if you want to troll, pick your own initial conditions and
pick your own trend line. Unfortunately it doesn't include 1932 or go back
to 1960.
I could even claim that the recent global cooling is Clinton's fault since
the recent cooling started when Clinton signed the repeal of the
Glass-Steagall Act.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:26:29 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
>>It's just as I was explaining to Scotty re global temperature.. There are
>>always short term fluctuations in any long term trend.
>
> Hey! I'm the one who has actually read the IPCC documents. let me re-quote
> it just for you.
>
> In the IPCC's most recent Assessment Report (AR4 WG1 8.3 and 9.4) as well
> as in the relevant primary literature, the AR4 Synthesis Report states:
>
> "On scales [smaller than 50 years], natural climate variability is
> relatively larger [than human influences], making it harder to distinguish
> changes expected due to external [e.g.man-made] forcings".
>
> Do you see, "natural climate variability" in there?
You're out of date.as ususal. I already replied to this red herring.
There IS now a marker for AGW.
And your misrepresented 'quote' says it makes it 'harder' it doesn't say it
makes it impossible.
And given that we have records going back 200,000 years anyway your 50 years
is a mere blink.
Meanwhile giant passenger cruise ships begin docking in Nome.
Some 'hoax'.
> That takes us back to 1960... and don't forget that 1932 was warmer than
> it
> is today.
Er.. except that it wasn't of course. Only in the US. I understand this
concept is hard for you parochials to grasp but the USA is NOT the World -
it's just a tiny part of it.
And even there every single year bar one, every single state in the
north-east has experienced warmer than mean average temperatures since 1971.
That's what we people in the real world outside call a fact.
Choosing a conclusion and then tracking down any little cherry picked piece
of data that vaguely supports that conclusion is not science.
You should think about buying some property in Nome - it's the next
boom-town.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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>
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> news:6_GdnTWUGqLNcnXX...@westnet.com.au...
>
>> Why teach only the Christian version - especialy in a largely secular and
>> otherwise multi-denominational country
>> If they are going to teach middle-eastern bronze age mythology then they
>> should also teach about the The Giant Invisible Flying Spaghetti
>> Monster - there exists just as much scientific proof after all.
>
> Good old Adam.
> He has the same six drums which he constantly beats hell out of.
What the hell are you rambling on about now?!
Show me one word in the above that is even remotely like 'banging a drum'.
Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's dozens of
different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one, would be a
balanced and fair approach to the percived 'problem'.
And if the Christian creation myth isn't 'middle-eastern bronze-age
mythology' then what the hell is it? History?! LOL.
It *should* be taught anyway IMO, as part of Theology or 'Religious
Education' as it was termed when we were taught about the various myths when
I was a schoolkid in *ngland.
They should wait until the advent of reason before they start however.
Indoctrination in ANY belief before that stage in a child's development is
nothing short of child abuse.
And we can all see the ghastly results of it in that little minority of
'home-schooled' ignorant, hate-filled bigots who pray for a thermo-nuclear
war. (that *they* will mirculously survive of course).
Look to your own one-beat rythm section Conway - before you accuse others of
what you do yourself.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
There you go - that's YOUR rythm section again. Trying to drown out the
voice of reason.
There are plenty of other beats in the world and you should always be open
to new tunes.
I've considered 'Jesus loved the dinosaurs' as a possibility (for all of one
second) but rejected the theory based on hundreds of years of scientific
research and 3 billion years of fossil records which prove the contrary.
Maybe you have some new and better evidence that we should all hear about?
The Phantom Piper
>
> Maybe you have some new and better evidence
> that we should all hear about?
"`Lotta tahm to Thinkify outchar in the Backwoods..."
<spit>
"`Whole Lotta Tahm...",
The Phantom Hillbilly
Scotty
>
>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:26:29 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>>
>>>It's just as I was explaining to Scotty re global temperature.. There are
>>>always short term fluctuations in any long term trend.
>>
>> Hey! I'm the one who has actually read the IPCC documents. let me re-quote
>> it just for you.
>>
>> In the IPCC's most recent Assessment Report (AR4 WG1 8.3 and 9.4) as well
>> as in the relevant primary literature, the AR4 Synthesis Report states:
>>
>> "On scales [smaller than 50 years], natural climate variability is
>> relatively larger [than human influences], making it harder to distinguish
>> changes expected due to external [e.g.man-made] forcings".
>
>>
>> Do you see, "natural climate variability" in there?
>
>
>You're out of date.as ususal. I already replied to this red herring.
>There IS now a marker for AGW.
Now!!! People have been saying for ever that it is almost solely
responsible.
>And your misrepresented 'quote' says it makes it 'harder' it doesn't say it
>makes it impossible.
You read the word, you even write the word but do you understand the word?
True, harder is not impossible but it is harder to find because it is
SMALL, minute, insignificant, hard to find.
You have always claimed that the Science is settled, well, it is, NOW, the
anthropogenic signature is hard to find... !
Get a clue, man.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:23:36 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
>>news:mcoie51akvjbqhf0n...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:26:29 +1000, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's just as I was explaining to Scotty re global temperature.. There
>>>>are
>>>>always short term fluctuations in any long term trend.
>>>
> You have always claimed that the Science is settled, well, it is, NOW, the
> anthropogenic signature is hard to find... !
>
> Get a clue, man.
Yeah. I'm sure it's all just a hoax. Or just a pure coincidence.
And meanwhile giant passengr cruise liners are sailing the Arctic.
And you tell ME to get a clue.
conwaycaine
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On Oct 28, 9:50 am, "conwaycaine" <conwayca...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > Ejaycee wrote:
> >> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> >>>> "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@nospam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:hc4epb$v9r$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>>>> Douglas Clark wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6889918.ece
>
> >>>>> What's this?!?
> >>>> Isn't that a link to a web site??
> >>> Don't go near it.
> >>> It's got the word 'faith' in the title.
>
> >> There's certainly no hope
>
> > I could use some charity.
>
> Look out, guys.
> He's thinking of pillaging Atlanta again.-
Nah, he'd get caught in the road construction. It's hard to pull
off a quick hit and run when traffic is backed up to Chatanooga.
I timed my last trip through Atlanta (using the outermost beltway) to begin
at 2:00 PM, hoping there would be no rush hour traffic.
Fool that I was................
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:BvSdndGaOeB4P3TX...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> news:6_GdnTWUGqLNcnXX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>> Why teach only the Christian version - especialy in a largely secular
>>> and otherwise multi-denominational country
>>> If they are going to teach middle-eastern bronze age mythology then they
>>> should also teach about the The Giant Invisible Flying Spaghetti
>>> Monster - there exists just as much scientific proof after all.
>>
>> Good old Adam.
>> He has the same six drums which he constantly beats hell out of.
>
>
> What the hell are you rambling on about now?!
>
> Show me one word in the above that is even remotely like 'banging a drum'.
"Banging a drum" is an expression meaning overworking the same tired
subjects.
See "espousing a cause".
Or "Promoting an agenda"
> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's dozens
> of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one, would be a
> balanced and fair approach to the percived 'problem'.
Most high schools and colleges do just that.
The courses are caled comparative Reigions" or some such.
> Look to your own one-beat rythm section Conway - before you accuse others
> of what you do yourself.
Me?
Beat a drum??
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:fqednclC3f12OXTX...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> news:j4GdnQB9VvnWbnXX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>> According to Bill Hicks, God put fundamentalist Christians on earth to
>>> test our faith in humanity.
>>
>> Boom! Boom! Boom!
>> Boom! Boom! Boom!
>> Boom! Boom! Boom!
>> Boom! Boom! Boom!
>
> There you go - that's YOUR rythm section again. Trying to drown out the
> voice of reason.
Hey, I'm having a blast here.
Don't rain opn my parade, please.
> There are plenty of other beats in the world and you should always be open
> to new tunes.
>
> I've considered 'Jesus loved the dinosaurs' as a possibility (for all of
> one second) but rejected the theory based on hundreds of years of
> scientific research and 3 billion years of fossil records which prove the
> contrary.
> Maybe you have some new and better evidence that we should all hear about?
You believe we believe the Bishop Usher (sp) myth??
deem...@aol.com
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message
Atlanta is a crap shoot. You just guess and go.....there are
always too many cars for the pavement so it's just your lucky day if
there's construction or an accident along your chosen route. Many
times, unless it's rush hour, going straight through rather than using
the beltways is best.....less miles for there to be a problem.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's dozens
>> of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one, would be
>> a balanced and fair approach to the percived 'problem'.
>
> Most high schools and colleges do just that.
> The courses are called comparative Reigions" or some such.
That's fine. I've no objections to that. It's just that they have no place
in a science class which is what the crazies are calling for I understand?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>> I've considered 'Jesus loved the dinosaurs' as a possibility (for all of
>> one second) but rejected the theory based on hundreds of years of
>> scientific research and 3 billion years of fossil records which prove the
>> contrary.
>> Maybe you have some new and better evidence that we should all hear
>> about?
>
> You believe we believe the Bishop Usher (sp) myth??
I'm just going by the large number of polls which suggest almost half of all
Americans literaly believe in the Creation myth AND that "God created Man in
his current form within the last 10,000 years"..
Here's the average of the polls for the last 25 years of US people who
believe precisely that.
1982 44%
1993 47%
1997 44%
2001 45%
2004 45%
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
One of many sites that say much the same thing. If that's not collective
****ing insanity I don't know what is.
Incidentily - among a total of 480,000 U.S. degree-educated earth and life
scientists the figure drops to 0.14%
So there IS hope - we just have to educate people properly.
Which is why it's ludicrous to even consider putting religious creation
myths into the science curriculum.
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
I doubt there is a science class in America what teaches Creationism or
Intelligent planning (outside of Christian schools which of course may teach
whatever they wish to.
Please understand, the American school system is firmly in the clutches of
the ultra liberal anti religious left (AKA "Leftards")
Now there may be an exception or two here and there but by and
large.....anti Christian all the way..
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:lNCdnZ35EOHOWXHX...@giganews.com...
>
>
> I'm just going by the large number of polls which suggest almost half of
> all Americans literaly believe in the Creation myth AND that "God created
> Man in his current form within the last 10,000 years"..
>
> Here's the average of the polls for the last 25 years of US people who
> believe precisely that.
>
> 1982 44%
> 1993 47%
> 1997 44%
> 2001 45%
> 2004 45%
> http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
>
Where do you dig up these rabid agenda pursuing sites?
Half of the people in the US never even heard of Bishop Usher.
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La N
When I was in elementary school every morning in class was started with
singing God Save the Queen and reciting The Lord's Prayer. Those days are
long gone.
- nilita
The Doctor
This is an extremely said statement for today's society.
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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We also got the ("spare the rod spoil the child") strap when we talked out
of turn and/or banished from the classroom to sit in a dark cloakroom.
- nilita
James Silverton
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
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>>
>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:IYmdnU2sA4VyXnHX...@giganews.com...
>>
>>>> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's
>>>> dozens of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian
>>>> one, would be a balanced and fair approach
>>>> to the percived 'problem'.
>>>
>>> Most high schools and colleges do just that.
>>> The courses are called comparative Reigions" or some such.
>>
>> That's fine. I've no objections to that. It's just that they have no
>> place in a science class which is what the crazies
>> are calling for I understand?
I dislike the arrogation of the word Christian to describe
fundamentalist atavists. I think I am a Christian but I have long given
up trying to understand people who don't believe in evolution or don't
see it as the beautiful explanation of the facts that it is. After all
"Evolution is more than a hypothesis" (John Paul II)
--
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Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
The Phantom Piper
wrote:
>
> After all "Evolution is more than a hypothesis" (John Paul II)
Ya filthy Papist! Ya oughta be dragged in front
of some Tribunal and made to recant, just as
Galileo was by the Popey Papist Pope in 1633!
Not Tolerating Any Filthy Papist Popery,
The Phantom Piper
James Silverton
I didn't know members of the Orange Order had to be creationists.
Lesley Robertson
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> I dislike the arrogation of the word Christian to describe
> fundamentalist atavists. I think I am a Christian but I have long
> given up trying to understand people who don't believe in evolution
> or don't see it as the beautiful explanation of the facts that it
> is. After all "Evolution is more than a hypothesis" (John Paul II)
>
I've never worked out why those people want to limit their Gods. After
all, evolution is to creationism as a garden grown from seed is to an
area stuck with plastic flowers and grass.
If a God existed, wouldn't it they find it more interesting to let
things develop?
Lesley Robertson
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And today?
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The Phantom Piper
wrote:
>
> I didn't know members of the Orange Order had to be creationists.
Well, they have to be Stupid, don't they?
And Have A Drum...,
The Phantom Piper
The Phantom Piper
wrote:
>
> I've never worked out why those people want to limit their Gods.
That is the Perfect Thing to say.
How do I know? Because I've been saying it
for about 20+ years now. */;~}
People who arrogate to themselves the ability
to _define what God can-or-cannot-do_ are the
epitomisation of the "Sin Of Pride." They are
perfect examples of Hubris.
Furthermore, these people are usually those
who insist on an Anthropomorphic God as well;
you know: Great Huge Git With Flowing Robes,
Long Beard, And No Navel™?
> If a God existed, wouldn't it they find it more interesting
> to let things develop?
And wouldn't It be less likely to be fascinated with
Sparrows Falling and such, and more likely just to
lay down The Rules and Set Things In Motion and
"let things develop" as you say?
You know, one of the answers to the question, "If
God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent,
why then does It allow so much suffering and death
to occur?" is: "Because It's Just Not That Into Us!"
Ie: if Spirit is Eternal, then wouldn't God find the
passing of mere Flesh barely worth noticing? If the
truly Important thing is the Soul, then why would
the deaths of *any number* of Widows, Orphans,
and Baby Ducks matter one whit to a deity, since
the deity knows that the Spirit is Eternal and the
Flesh is Impermanent?
Of course, it's because people are Afraid and they
don't want to die - that's understandable enough,
surely. But then the fanatics have taken the notion
of Whistling Past The Graveyard and crafted whole
edifices of Hypocrisy and Dogma, Power and Control,
mimicking the great 'Sandal Schism' from "The Life
Of Brian," and putting millions to death in order to
ensure that The One True Way is taught to all the
Heathens, Blasphemers, Apostates, Prodigals, or
Infidels...
Jesus Wept,
The Phantom Piper
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> news:2aKdnfrdEpfWYXHX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:IYmdnU2sA4VyXnHX...@giganews.com...
>>
>>>> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's
>>>> dozens of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one,
>>>> would be a balanced and fair approach to the percived 'problem'.
>>>
>>> Most high schools and colleges do just that.
>>> The courses are called comparative Reigions" or some such.
>>
>> That's fine. I've no objections to that. It's just that they have no
>> place in a science class which is what the crazies are calling for I
>> understand?
>
> I doubt there is a science class in America what teaches Creationism or
> Intelligent planning
I know - but the christians *want* it to be taught.
That was what the argument was about - not that it is but that the crazies
want to change all that.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Me too - it was absolutely outrageous. We also sang a hymn too. The
arrogance and presumption of these people!
You were forced to attend even if you weren't even a Christian!
And it carried on right up to the late 60's too!
Hardly seems possible nowadays but I remember it clearly.
Not surprising their was a backlash against the religious propagandising of
children. It's child abuse pure and simple.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> news:2aKdnfrdEpfWYXHX...@westnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IYmdnU2sA4VyXnHX...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>>> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's
>>>>> dozens of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one,
>>>>> would be a balanced and fair approach
>>>>> to the percived 'problem'.
>>>>
>>>> Most high schools and colleges do just that.
>>>> The courses are called comparative Reigions" or some such.
>>>
>>> That's fine. I've no objections to that. It's just that they have no
>>> place in a science class which is what the crazies
>>> are calling for I understand?
>
> I dislike the arrogation of the word Christian to describe fundamentalist
> atavists.
Absolutely. These throwbacks have merely commandeered a beautiful philosphy
in an attempt to give some sort of 'legitinacy' to their essentially evil
political stance.
That's why I alway use the word 'christians' with a small 'c' when referring
to them.
If they're genuine Christians then I'm the ****ing Pope.
I think I am a Christian but I have long given
> up trying to understand people who don't believe in evolution or don't see
> it as the beautiful explanation of the facts that it is. After all
> "Evolution is more than a hypothesis" (John Paul II)
There's really not that much of a contradiction between the two explanations
(Bible and Science) if the christians only had an open mind and heart to see
it.
And God said; "Let There Be Light"!
How better to explain the 'Big Bang' - makes just as much sense as every
other attempt to explain it that I've seen anyway.
Saves on ink too.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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It's an insult to God to claim that He couldn't have created evolution.
Who else has that much free time ferkrissake?
But then they know better than God of course.
James Silverton
>And God said; "Let There Be Light"!
>How better to explain the 'Big Bang' - makes just as much sense as
>every other attempt to explain it that I've seen anyway.
>Saves on ink too.
Actually, Georges Lemaitre, asked the Pope not to try to use his theory
as proof of God. Lemaitre was President of the Pontifical Academy of
Sciences. "Big Bang" was Fred Hoyle's attempt at being sarcastic and
that rather back-fired!
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"The Phantom Piper" <ThePhan...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 1, 1:27 pm, "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.robert...@tnw.tudelft.nl>
wrote:
>
> I've never worked out why those people want to limit their Gods.
That is the Perfect Thing to say.
How do I know? Because I've been saying it
for about 20+ years now. */;~}
People who arrogate to themselves the ability
to _define what God can-or-cannot-do_ are the
epitomisation of the "Sin Of Pride." They are
perfect examples of Hubris.
Hmmm - I just said that to Ms Robertson too. At least I think I did.
Hard to tell for sure.
Furthermore, these people are usually those
who insist on an Anthropomorphic God as well;
you know: Great Huge Git With Flowing Robes,
Long Beard, And No Navel�?
And white of course - don't forget he's white. Probably predominately of
Aryan descent but with a generous dash of anglo-saxon and matured in the
deep south.
Some black film makers in the 30's forgot that important fact and got
prosecuted for portraying him as a black. Or rather they used a black actor
to portray him.
Is that the same thing do you think?
Anyway - it was a scandalous evil heresy apparently. I don't remember the
details now but I suspect they would have been crucified for their Sins.
This was in the US needless to add. But I added it it anyway.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Deny deny deny . Geezuss Conway!
They are GALLUP POLLS!!
READ it.
Which particular site of the dozens available that I just happened to
extract the Gallup poll results from is utterly irelevant/
Do you think the same GALLUP POLLS would have given a different result if
I'd got them from hillbilliesareus.org or imthefriggingpope.com?!
Tell you what - you give me the url of a site that you think OK to get the
same Gallup Poll results from and I'll go and cut and paste them from there
instead. I can't say fairer than that can I?
Gallup are just about THE most respected polling organisation there is.and
theyve been asking the exact same question regularly for the last 27 years
and got pretty much the same results every single time.
But on no - Conway Caine - The world reknowned parochial hillbillie and
theologist knows better than thousands of Americans who answered Gallop's
poll questionaiire.
Jesus wept.
Look you moron - They don't *have* to have "heard of Bishop Usher" to be
jaw-droppingly
stupid and believe in the myth. It's simply not a requirement.
In fact, if anything, it lends further credibility to the 27 years of
consistant polling results because if these crackpots HAD heard that the
whole theory of the earth being 6,000 years old was cooked up by an
eccentric raving madman (and bloody Irish to boot IIRC) in the 19th century
maybe - just maybe - they would question the validity of it instead of
accepting it as 'gospel'.
It's blindingly clear that 44% -47^ of of those polled believe;
"God created Man in his current form within the last 10,000 years"..
That was the question and that was the answer from thousands of yanks.
Almost half of them.
Whether you want to contribute that fact to people having heard of Usher or
not having heard of Usher is entirely up to you and doesn't affect the fact
one iota.
Christ - I waste so much of my time spelling out the totally bleeding
obvious for you.
La N
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
Well, I don't know if it was child abuse. It was just a ritual that we went
through every morning thinking it was part of being a schoolkid. It seemed
somewhat normal since many of us kids also went to Sunday (Church) School.
- nilita
conwaycaine
>> I doubt there is a science class in America what teaches Creationism or
>> Intelligent planning (outside of Christian schools which of course may
>> teach whatever they wish to.
>> Please understand, the American school system is firmly in the clutches
>> of the ultra liberal anti religious left (AKA "Leftards")
>> Now there may be an exception or two here and there but by and
>> large.....anti Christian all the way..
>>
>
> When I was in elementary school every morning in class was started with
> singing God Save the Queen and reciting The Lord's Prayer. Those days are
> long gone.
Much of our School faculties firmly believe that anyone who expresses a
belief in Christianity must, on the face of it, be insane (the same view
once held by the Soviet Union BTW).
Now New Ageism or Ophraism or any of the other world's sects or faiths are
perfectly acceptable to them.
No so Christianity.
La N
OTOH I don't think that chanting "new age" mantras would be any more
"acceptable". The Canadian experience, anyway, is to respect all religions,
and in so doing, not forcefeed any one of them to anybody through the school
system.
- nilita
Fifeshire Floozie
> "The Phantom Piper" <ThePhan...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> Furthermore, these people are usually those
> who insist on an Anthropomorphic God as well;
> you know: Great Huge Git With Flowing Robes,
> Long Beard, And No NavelT?
> And white of course - don't forget he's white. Probably
> predominately of Aryan descent but with a generous dash of
> anglo-saxon and matured in the deep south.
> Some black film makers in the 30's forgot that important fact and
> got prosecuted for portraying him as a black. Or rather they used a
> black actor to portray him.
> Is that the same thing do you think?
> Anyway - it was a scandalous evil heresy apparently. I don't
> remember the details now but I suspect they would have been
> crucified for their Sins.
>
> This was in the US needless to add. But I added it it anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrayals_of_God_in_popular_media
" William Keighley's 1936 film The Green Pastures, where all
characters, including God, are played by African American actors (Rex
Ingram in the case of what the movie calls "De Lawd"). The opening
prologue of that film included what amounted to a disclaimer, to make
the movie palatable to the white audiences in the United States of the
time, asserting that:
God appears in many forms to those who believe in him. Thousands of
Negroes in the Deep South visualize God and Heaven in terms of people
and things they know in their everyday life. The Green Pastures is an
attempt to portray that humble, reverent conception."
http://www.aaregistry.com/eimage/RexIngram.gif
"October 20
Rex Ingram, an African-American actor, was born on this date in
1895.
He was born on a houseboat on the Mississippi River near Cairo, IL,
when his mother, who was on her way home from a visit with relatives
in Natchez, MS, went into labor."
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrayals_of_God_in_popular_media
> " William Keighley's 1936 film The Green Pastures, where all characters,
> including God, are played by African American actors (Rex Ingram in the
> case of what the movie calls "De Lawd"). The opening prologue of that
> film included what amounted to a disclaimer, to make the movie palatable
> to the white audiences in the United States of the time, asserting that:
> God appears in many forms to those who believe in him. Thousands of
> Negroes in the Deep South visualize God and Heaven in terms of people
> and things they know in their everyday life. The Green Pastures is an
> attempt to portray that humble, reverent conception."
A disclaimer they'd probably still have to use were they
to film it today in Oz with aboriginal actors.
Deirdre
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conwaycaine
"S�im� mac Liam" <gwy...@comcast.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> news:XuadnZz4CYCPCnDX...@giganews.com:
>
>>
>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> You believe we believe the Bishop Usher (sp) myth??
>>>
>>> I'm just going by the large number of polls which suggest almost half
>>> of all Americans literaly believe in the Creation myth AND that "God
>>> created Man in his current form within the last 10,000 years"..
>>>
>>> Here's the average of the polls for the last 25 years of US people
>>> who believe precisely that.
>>>
>>> 1982 44%
>>> 1993 47%
>>> 1997 44%
>>> 2001 45%
>>> 2004 45%
>>> http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
>>>
>>
>> Where do you dig up these rabid agenda pursuing sites?
>> Half of the people in the US never even heard of Bishop Usher.
>>
>
> Do I hear an anti-Masonic skillet whistling through the air just off your
> left ear?
Amazing the things one picks up down at the old lodge hall.
;=)
conwaycaine
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> :"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> :
> :Where do you dig up these rabid agenda pursuing sites?
> :Half of the people in the US never even heard of Bishop Usher.
>
> I just find it interesting that he never shows similar statistics for
> the much-vaunted UK, where the numbers aren't all that different.
>
> I wonder how he feels about this one:
>
> "More than half of British adults think that intelligent design and
> creationism should be taught alongside evolution in school science
> lessons - a proportion higher than in the US."
Adam is very consistent.
If the article or statistic does not support his views (or slags, take your
pick), they will never see the light of day in one of his posts.
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> Half of the people in the US never even heard of Bishop Usher.
>
> Deny deny deny . Geezuss Conway!
> They are GALLUP POLLS!!
> READ it.
> Which particular site of the dozens available that I just happened to
> extract the Gallup poll results from is utterly irelevant/
> Do you think the same GALLUP POLLS would have given a different result if
> I'd got them from hillbilliesareus.org or imthefriggingpope.com?!
Point, set, and match to the old fart.................
<heh>
conwaycaine
"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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But we are all tarred with the same brush, James.
My take is, let each of us believe what we will believe.
And frankly, it isn't anyone's business but our own what we choose to
believe.
conwaycaine
"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
So?
Are we to pass legislation forbidding the Christians from such thoughts?
How about rounding up the Fundies and confining them to concentration camps?
Then gas 'em good before they destroy all humanity..............
conwaycaine
In our country, the school systems, here and there, try repeatedly to forbid
bibles being brought to schools.
Or private prayer times
Or voluntary prayer/study groups.
All such repressions violate the constitution and all are dwelt with in the
courts which continue to chop down on school systems employing such
practices.
La N
That is absolutely crazy. btw, do they allow military recruiters in the
(high) schools?
- nilita
Deirdre Sholto Douglas
> conwaycaine wrote:
>> In our country, the school systems, here and there, try repeatedly to
>> forbid bibles being brought to schools.
>> Or private prayer times
>> Or voluntary prayer/study groups.
>> All such repressions violate the constitution and all are dwelt with
>> in the courts which continue to chop down on school systems employing
>> such practices.
>
> That is absolutely crazy. btw, do they allow military recruiters in the
> (high) schools?
It's "absolutely crazy" to enforce the separation of
church and state? And yes, recruiters are, to the
best of my knowledge, allowed into the high schools
during "career day" and the like...after all, for some
people, the military _is_ a career.
Deirdre
________________
Some people are like Dan Quayle without the intellect.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
I've just told you it was. What more proof do you need.
Perhaps the sordid morning ritual we endured (and God knows what the
teachers must have made of it all) was relatively mild but there are
certainly 'Jesus Camps' and private religious schools were the behavior
falls squarely under that definition and catagory.
You can see the sad results every day.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
> Adam wrote on Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:52:29 +1000:
>
>>And God said; "Let There Be Light"!
>>How better to explain the 'Big Bang' - makes just as much sense as every
>>other attempt to explain it that I've seen anyway.
>>Saves on ink too.
>
> Actually, Georges Lemaitre, asked the Pope not to try to use his theory
> as proof of God.
I actualy was doing the opposite : )
Using God as 'proof' of the logicality of the 'Big Bang'.
And George might have come up with the idea but that doesn't mean he owns
it.
I like it anyway and that's all that really matters.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
Exactly - now go and tell that to the crazies who brand people like me as
"Godless atheists" (as if that was a *bad* thing) and claim that
non-christians have no morality (that's a ****ing laugh if ever there was
one).
I think they should follow Jesus' teaching and pray in private as he
instructed them - and not to lay their trip on other people - again as he
instructed them.
Will they *ever* shut the **** up and let us live in peace.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>
> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
> news:CqadnYQY5sdXc3PX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:kd6dnczETaUQC3DX...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>>> news:2aKdnfrdEpfWYXHX...@westnet.com.au...
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>>>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to me that teaching kids about at least a few of the world's
>>>>>> dozens of different creationist myths, *including* the Christian one,
>>>>>> would be a balanced and fair approach to the percived 'problem'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most high schools and colleges do just that.
>>>>> The courses are called comparative Reigions" or some such.
>>>>
>>>> That's fine. I've no objections to that. It's just that they have no
>>>> place in a science class which is what the crazies are calling for I
>>>> understand?
>>>
>>> I doubt there is a science class in America what teaches Creationism or
>>> Intelligent planning
>>
>> I know - but the christians *want* it to be taught.
>> That was what the argument was about - not that it is but that the
>> crazies want to change all that.
>
> So?
> Are we to pass legislation forbidding the Christians from such thoughts?
Who mentioned Christians?
I'm talking about that stomach-churning cult of intolerant fascist bigots
who have hijacked Christianity.
> How about rounding up the Fundies and confining them to concentration
> camps?
> Then gas 'em good before they destroy all humanity..............
So you're happy that *they* want *everyone* burnt to death except them.
You're really OK with that?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
>
> "Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "conwaycaine" <conwa...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> :"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote in message
>> :
>> :Where do you dig up these rabid agenda pursuing sites?
>> :Half of the people in the US never even heard of Bishop Usher.
Idiot troll snipped.
> Adam is very consistent.
> If the article or statistic does not support his views (or slags, take
> your pick), they will never see the light of day in one of his posts.
I've already discussed the UK figures (that was what the thread was about
remember) and no-one is *denying* them - which was my point as you well
know.
The Phantom Piper
>
> I know - but the christians *want* it to be taught.
> That was what the argument was about - not that
> it is but that the crazies want to change all that.
Actually, you ought to see this:
School boards in Kansas have been teaching it
off-and-on (they've been bouncing back-and-forth
as Laws and Officials change and Court Cases
are decided) for about 10 years now. Ohio was
screwing around with it for some four years as
recently as 2006, and Georgia was until 2005.
And Texas is still mandating "neutrality" on the
"theory" of 'Intelligent Design' - to the degree that
they *fired* a teacher for announcing an upcoming
speaking engagement by an Evolution Supporter.
Looking Nervously Over My Shoulder,
The Phantom Piper
The Phantom Piper
>
> And God said; "Let There Be Light"!
And Higgs Bosons!
> How better to explain the 'Big Bang' - makes just as much sense
> as every other attempt to explain it that I've seen anyway.
Genesis reads like a primer on Evolution. Look
at the order in which Things 'begit' Other Things...
Not To Mention The Spiders From Space...,
The Phantom Piper
The Phantom Piper
>
> It's an insult to God to claim that He couldn't have created
> evolution. Who else has that much free time ferkrissake?
He could likely knock it out in a Day or so!
*/:~},
The Phantom Piper
The Phantom Piper
>
> And white of course - don't forget he's white. Probably
> predominately of Aryan descent but with a generous
> dash of anglo-saxon and matured in the deep south.
O Come Now! */:~} Surely everyone knows that
God speaks with a posh English accent - you know,
Eton and Oxon: nothing but the very best for God!
And swinging a *hu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-uge* Rod And Staff,
if you know what I mean - why, there's *nobody* so
Well-Endowed as God! Nudge-Nudge-*Say-No-More*!
And what's all this about Him being "matured?" Do
you think that just because He's finished the whole
Destruction by Fire and Flood thing that He's not
got above playing disgusting pranks and otherwise
getting (us, mostly) into trouble?
> Is that the same thing do you think?
No, it's Something Completely Different - like *this*:
(a particularly good link for those who are Adorable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8AddFYCnA
Singing Hosannas,
The Phantom Piper
S�im� mac Liam
news:tdudnXoUZsyI5XLX...@giganews.com:
You ever get back to the craft?
--
Saint S�im� mac Liam
Carriagemaker to the court of Queen Maeve
Prophet of The Great Tagger
Canonized December '99
The Phantom Piper
>
> I think they should follow Jesus' teaching and pray
> in private as he instructed them - and not to lay their
> trip on other people - again as he instructed them.
And not blindly trust Priests, as he instructed them.
And give away their Excess Riches to the Poor, as
he instructed them.
And pay their Taxes ("render unto Caesar what is
Caesar's" was all about the Coinage, which bore
Caesar's image) so that the 'Corn' (Grain) could
be Distributed (as it was) - as he instructed them.
And stop Killing People - *especially* with Capital
'Punishment' (although we all know what a big fan
of it he was) - as he instructed them.
Jesus was a Socialist, and an Iconoclast - and they
killed him for it.
And then very _Conservative Folk_, throughout history,
made a mockery and a travesty of his teachings, and
proceeded to inflict Oppression, Dogma, Torture, and
Wars on everyone - all in his name, of course.
Always Looking On The Bright Side Of Life,
The Phantom Piper
HardySpicer
>
> Exactly - now go and tell that to the crazies who brand people like me as
> "Godless atheists" (as if that was a *bad* thing) and claim that
I don't. Just think you are a complete Twat. couldn't care if you are
xtian or not.
Hardy
HardySpicer
wrote:
> On Nov 2, 7:00 pm, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think they should follow Jesus' teaching and pray
> > in private as he instructed them - and not to lay their
> > trip on other people - again as he instructed them.
>
> And not blindly trust Priests, as he instructed them.
>
> And give away their Excess Riches to the Poor, as
> he instructed them.
>
> And pay their Taxes ("render unto Caesar what is
> Caesar's" was all about the Coinage, which bore
> Caesar's image) so that the 'Corn' (Grain) could
> be Distributed (as it was) - as he instructed them.
>
> And stop Killing People - *especially* with Capital
> 'Punishment' (although we all know what a big fan
> of it he was) - as he instructed them.
>
> Jesus was a Socialist, and an Iconoclast - and they
> killed him for it.
>
on that much at least.
Hardy
Jeffrey Hamilton
> On Nov 2, 6:56 am, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>>
>> It's an insult to God to claim that He couldn't have created
>> evolution. Who else has that much free time ferkrissake?
>
> He could likely knock it out in a Day or so!
Six tops......
I'm just saying.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"The Phantom Piper" <ThePhan...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:553a5029-754f-4df6...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 2, 7:07 am, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
> And white of course - don't forget he's white. Probably
> predominately of Aryan descent but with a generous
> dash of anglo-saxon and matured in the deep south.
O Come Now! */:~} Surely everyone knows that
God speaks with a posh English accent - you know,
Eton and Oxon: nothing but the very best for God!
Yes of course. Just because he's a tall blond Aryan type and a Republican
doesn't mean he wasn't sent to the-best-school-in-the-world.
I presumed that was a given.
> Is that the same thing do you think?
No, it's Something Completely Different - like *this*:
(a particularly good link for those who are Adorable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8AddFYCnA
: ))
Brilliant. Thanks for that.
You know some people go their whole lives without ever knowing what real
comedy is supposed to sound like.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Fifeshire Floozie" <htr.@faeFife.com> wrote in message
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> "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote>The opening prologue of that film included what amounted to a disclaimer,
>to make the movie palatable to the white audiences in the United States
Was it sufficient to placate the infallible ones though?
I'm just going from a hazy memory of a TV documentary I saw about thirty
years ago but SFAIR there was a big reaction from God's chosen people who
were outraged at the heresy and demanded they be crucified forthwith -
something like that anyway.
Maybe I'm wrong and I can't be arsed googling it but that's how I remember
it.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
On Nov 2, 6:56 am, "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <ador@ble> wrote:
>
> It's an insult to God to claim that He couldn't have created
> evolution. Who else has that much free time ferkrissake?
He could likely knock it out in a Day or so!
Aye - Nae bother to the Big Yin eh?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
And Higgs Bosons!
Wuz it nae Spiders Frae Marz?