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Livat B. Udokan

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Jun 4, 2003, 7:10:04 PM6/4/03
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Is Kandinsky worth anything or can kindergartners paint better than him?


captain !

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:03:23 AM6/5/03
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"D.K." <D...@no.valid.address> wrote in message
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> In article <g%uDa.13850$sG3.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, "Livat B.

Udokan" <Moon...@weaselsrippedmyflesh.com> wrote:
> >Is Kandinsky worth anything or can kindergartners paint better than him?
> >
> >
> If you don't get abstract paintings, you can always look at
> Autumn in Bavaria instead to prove yourself a complete
> moron.
>
> Personally, I prefer early Kandinsky but my daughter
> likes his late works a lot more. To each his own, but
> comparing Kandinsky to kindergarten paintings does
> nothing except exposing your cultural infantilism (and,
> quite possibly, a lack of any education)
>
> DK

it also gets you riled up, much to the delight of the poster. :)

truthseeker

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Jun 5, 2003, 2:51:11 AM6/5/03
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"Livat B. Udokan" <Moon...@weaselsrippedmyflesh.com> wrote in message news:<g%uDa.13850$sG3.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...

> Is Kandinsky worth anything or can kindergartners paint better than him?

Wow, how low can one stoop just to provoke "the damn russkies"?....

Your question belongs to the arts group not the russian group, moron.

But to answer your question, even though Kandinsky is revered in USA
and considered the Father of modern American art, I personally find
him and Malevich way too simplistic.

The reason why they found such fame among Americans is the laziness of
American artists and their refusal to train in the art of classical
painting. But the "abstract painting" idea allowed mediocricies
without skill to become "artists". What is amazing is that much of
"abstract art" became highly prized in USA and later in the copycat
rest of the World.

But with the fall of the Iron Curtain, the World can once again see
what modern artists of skill and talent can do. I suggest that the
reader take a ticket to New York and go to the main art galleries
there. He will see amazing and skillful art works done by modern
artists.

However, I would caution you, "Livat B. Udokan", personally not to go
there because it will ruin your belief in American exclusivity: the
majority of prized modern works in America today are painted by modern
Russian artists. This is not due to any kind of genetic superiority
but simply to the cultural aspects. In Russia being an artist, even a
poor one, is considered highly respectable. Being a lover of high art
isn't considered to be "nurdish" and snobbish" but instead even the
"masses" aspire to htat. In art, skill is considered paramount. Thus,
artists don't shy away from decades of training. Thus, after the
abstract art mania has destroyed most of the classical art schooling
in Europe, Russia now has by far the largest schooling in traditional
artistic skills.

Livat B. Udokan

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Jun 5, 2003, 6:00:10 AM6/5/03
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"truthseeker" <vla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The one thing you got right is abstract painting does not require any
talent. If the artist makes a mistake, he simply tells people that was what
he was trying to paint.

In Russia, people paint because it's a way to try and make some money to
feed one's self. It's sort of like getting a job as a limo driver in the US.


Livat B. Udokan

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Jun 5, 2003, 6:00:14 AM6/5/03
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"captain !" <wh...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I just hope my line doesn't break as I reel him in. Feels like a big one. If
I can just get it onto the boat and to market, some Japs are going to pay me
a bunch of money for this big fat sucker. Sushi tonight!

>
>


Mikhail Medved

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Jun 5, 2003, 12:25:57 PM6/5/03
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vla...@hotmail.com (truthseeker) wrote in message news:<3c5bb26f.03060...@posting.google.com>...
<...>

> But with the fall of the Iron Curtain, the World can once again see
> what modern artists of skill and talent can do. I suggest that the
> reader take a ticket to New York and go to the main art galleries
> there. He will see amazing and skillful art works done by modern
> artists.
>
> However, I would caution you, "Livat B. Udokan", personally not to go
> there because it will ruin your belief in American exclusivity: the
> majority of prized modern works in America today are painted by modern
> Russian artists. This is not due to any kind of genetic superiority
> but simply to the cultural aspects. In Russia being an artist, even a
> poor one, is considered highly respectable. Being a lover of high art
> isn't considered to be "nurdish" and snobbish" but instead even the
> "masses" aspire to htat. In art, skill is considered paramount. Thus,
> artists don't shy away from decades of training. Thus, after the
> abstract art mania has destroyed most of the classical art schooling
> in Europe, Russia now has by far the largest schooling in traditional
> artistic skills.

Better yet, one truly interested in modern art, should go to St.
Petersburg, arguably the today's capital of modern art.

There is a number of web sites showing works of modern Russian
artists, too.

truthseeker

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Jun 6, 2003, 3:37:38 AM6/6/03
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"Livat B. Udokan" <Moon...@weaselsrippedmyflesh.com> wrote in message news:<KwEDa.552$rf.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...

No, getting a job as a limo driver in the US is like becoming a taxi
driver in Russia. Art pays off only to top 100 artists. But tens of
thousands continue working as artists and making a living driving
taxis.

truthseeker

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Jun 6, 2003, 4:31:00 AM6/6/03
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"Livat B. Udokan" <Moon...@weaselsrippedmyflesh.com> wrote in message news:<OwEDa.555$rf.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...

I've got some bad news for you, Mark: the "Japs" ain't gonna pay you a
dime for your trolling. Nor will anybody else. You are just a kook who
wastes all his time flaming Usenet for free.

Go drive a limo! Make some money. Get out of your house!

captain !

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Jun 6, 2003, 5:04:14 AM6/6/03
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i can give you a website for artists from Kurgan if you like.


"D.K." <no.e...@thanks.to.spam.net> wrote in message
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> In article <78954e62.03060...@posting.google.com>,


mikhai...@mail.ru (Mikhail Medved) wrote:
>
> >Better yet, one truly interested in modern art, should go to St.
> >Petersburg, arguably the today's capital of modern art.
> >
> >There is a number of web sites showing works of modern Russian
> >artists, too.
>

> Any good one you can recommend? Preferably those that
> not just showcase but also sell. A simple search comes up
> with too many hits...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dima
>


Livat B. Udokan

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Jun 6, 2003, 7:28:16 AM6/6/03
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"truthseeker" <vla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Do you have to pay to flame usenet?

> Go drive a limo! Make some money. Get out of your house!

I already am making money sitting right here. Much more than any limo
driver.


usertx

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Jun 6, 2003, 2:30:35 PM6/6/03
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"Livat B. Udokan" <Moon...@weaselsrippedmyflesh.com> wrote in message
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> > Go drive a limo! Make some money. Get out of your house!
>
> I already am making money sitting right here. Much more than any limo
> driver.

Interesting, who pays you for spamming SCR?


captain !

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Jun 6, 2003, 5:15:34 PM6/6/03
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unfortunately the site appears to be gone. i do remember the name of one of
the painters. it is Nadezhda Schchetinina. try doing a search if you are
interested. (i may have spelled it wrong :(...)


"D.K." <no.e...@thanks.to.spam.net> wrote in message

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> In article <iOYDa.139108$ro6.4...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, "captain !"


<wh...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >i can give you a website for artists from Kurgan if you like.
>

> Sure, I'd be glad to hear any suggestions.
>
> DK

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