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Oleg Smirnov
Apr 18, 2013, 7:25:31 AM4/18/13
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http://www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/18/russians/
The part of Russians who use the Internet has reached 62
percent. These are results of the March poll of "Levada-Center"
.. The numbers of users among different strata are different;
there are 95 percent of the students and nearly 90 percent of
managers and educated professionals. However among the retired
only 15 percent are Internet users. ..
In March 2013 the fund "Public Opinion" published his data by
which about 50 million Russians over the age of 18 are regular
daily Internet users, this is 43 percent of the adults ..
@, news:k04qre$kqr$1...@os.motzarella.org
> About 60% of Russians are Internet users (according to some
> data two years ago every fourth of households had a broadband
> connection), and these numbers are growing.
The part of Russians who use the Internet has reached 62
percent. These are results of the March poll of "Levada-Center"
.. The numbers of users among different strata are different;
there are 95 percent of the students and nearly 90 percent of
managers and educated professionals. However among the retired
only 15 percent are Internet users. ..
In March 2013 the fund "Public Opinion" published his data by
which about 50 million Russians over the age of 18 are regular
daily Internet users, this is 43 percent of the adults ..
@, news:k04qre$kqr$1...@os.motzarella.org
> About 60% of Russians are Internet users (according to some
> data two years ago every fourth of households had a broadband
> connection), and these numbers are growing.
DVH
Apr 18, 2013, 7:32:44 AM4/18/13
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forever protesting about this and that, taking their clothes off and
insulting the government.
I blame the west.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 18, 2013, 7:44:01 AM4/18/13
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Mr. B1ack
Apr 18, 2013, 10:08:27 PM4/18/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:25:31 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
>http://www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/18/russians/
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>The part of Russians who use the Internet has reached 62
>percent. These are results of the March poll of "Levada-Center"
>.. The numbers of users among different strata are different;
>there are 95 percent of the students and nearly 90 percent of
>managers and educated professionals. However among the retired
>only 15 percent are Internet users. ..
>In March 2013 the fund "Public Opinion" published his data by
>which about 50 million Russians over the age of 18 are regular
>daily Internet users, this is 43 percent of the adults ..
But they're still a bunch of dour brooding drunks ...
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>http://www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/18/russians/
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>The part of Russians who use the Internet has reached 62
>percent. These are results of the March poll of "Levada-Center"
>.. The numbers of users among different strata are different;
>there are 95 percent of the students and nearly 90 percent of
>managers and educated professionals. However among the retired
>only 15 percent are Internet users. ..
>In March 2013 the fund "Public Opinion" published his data by
>which about 50 million Russians over the age of 18 are regular
>daily Internet users, this is 43 percent of the adults ..
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 19, 2013, 8:46:25 AM4/19/13
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Mr. B1ack
Apr 19, 2013, 2:17:03 PM4/19/13
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:46:25 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
Mean drunks ...
How come eastern europe and Russia produce
mean, sour drunks whereas you generally get
happy drunks in western europe ? This seems
to have been the case even before the cold
war, at least well back into the 1800s.
How come eastern europe and Russia produce
mean, sour drunks whereas you generally get
happy drunks in western europe ? This seems
to have been the case even before the cold
war, at least well back into the 1800s.
Liberal Here
Apr 19, 2013, 2:40:57 PM4/19/13
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On Apr 19, 2:17 pm, Mr. B1ack <nowh...@nada.net> wrote:
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present. The Russian people have never (AFAIK) had a benevolent
government. Only conservative.
Mr. B1ack
Apr 19, 2013, 10:23:07 PM4/19/13
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'conservative' applied to the mongols. They
were, well, something completely different.
Of course there was little of 'benevolent' government
in the west either ... not until the latter 1700s at
least. Even then it wasn't 'benevolent' in any uniform
fashion. Consider British policies towards Ireland for
example. Post-revolutionary France was, in many ways,
as bad or even worse than France under the monarchs -
and Napoleon was no tall glass of sunshine either.
Italy remained rather 'confused' for a LONG time ...
confused enough so that Mussolini became possible.
But still, western europe remained kinda the California
of the continent - more optimistic and laid back than
the east.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 20, 2013, 12:16:49 AM4/20/13
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Mr. B1ack, news:0iu3n8h26v8c5c0vv...@4ax.com
What is your ethnicity and national background?
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:40:57 -0700 (PDT), Liberal Here
> <liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 2:17 pm, Mr. B1ack <nowh...@nada.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:46:25 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
> <liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 19, 2:17 pm, Mr. B1ack <nowh...@nada.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:46:25 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
Mr. B1ack
Apr 20, 2013, 2:30:46 PM4/20/13
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:16:49 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
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Martian. What of it monkey-spawn ? :-)
And do you REALLY think the terms "liberal"
or "conservative" in any way as we generally
mean them today can be cut and pasted onto
12th-century Mongols ??? That's just ridiculous.
A completely different culture and environoment
and background - a fistfull of OTHER truths
held to be self-evident ...
One of the most heinous errors pop historians
love to make is to try and overlay the ethics,
morality, worldview and percieved 'realities'
of one culture upon a different one from a
distant time.
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And do you REALLY think the terms "liberal"
or "conservative" in any way as we generally
mean them today can be cut and pasted onto
12th-century Mongols ??? That's just ridiculous.
A completely different culture and environoment
and background - a fistfull of OTHER truths
held to be self-evident ...
One of the most heinous errors pop historians
love to make is to try and overlay the ethics,
morality, worldview and percieved 'realities'
of one culture upon a different one from a
distant time.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 20, 2013, 5:37:35 PM4/20/13
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Mr. B1ack, news:45n5n8dcluob3fpcn...@4ax.com
Why cannot you answer honestly?
That's not the 1st time when someone who begins
to rant about Russia in the racist way turns out
to be ashamed of his or her own ethnicity.
That's not the 1st time when someone who begins
to rant about Russia in the racist way turns out
to be ashamed of his or her own ethnicity.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 21, 2013, 6:05:15 AM4/21/13
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Latynina
http://echo.msk.ru/programs/code/1057024-echo/
Contrary to the popular legend, the terrorists is not such a
complex organism, it's just a virus that infests the coherence of
a healthy body. The Tsarnaev's case is also about that. One brother
was unable to graduate from the university, simply because he had
a bad evaluation. Another wanted to represent America at the World
Championships in boxing, but he could not, and, well, that's why
he blew it.
Moreover, note, if these two guys exploded somewhere six months
ago during their visit to Russia (one of them went to Russia) at
the checkpoint somewhere in Makhachkala, then today half of Russian
human rights activists would tell me that bloody FSB held up these
wonderful kids to compromise the peace of Salafis, who just pray
differently than traditional Muslims. And if these Salafis blow
someone, that is only in response to the terrible persecution. ..
The fact that Tsarnaev brothers are Chechens is not surprising.
I remind you, the Chechen Wahhabis back in the Maskhadov times,
in the 90s, once declared World War III against the US. Maskhadov
just came to America to request recognition of a young Chechen
Republic, and at the same time his Deputy Prime Waha Arsanov, a
Wahhabi, one of the most important kidnappers, being remained at
home, says "we announce the Third World War against the US."
I do not know whether this proclamation was noticed in America,
though I guess Maskhadov was strongly hiccupping. ..
Tsarnaev's father said that his son was set up by the bloody FBI
to discredit the Islam. .. His mother said that the FBI was
following his every move, and now they claim this is a terrorist
attack. .. That's nothing serious that someone blew people, the
point is, this one was set up to discredit the peaceful Salafis. ..
Let me remind you that the father of the suicide bomber, Maryam
Sharipova, exploded in the Moscow subway, said that her suicide
was arranged by the bloody FSB to compromise the Salafi Islam. ..
I also remind you that we had such a wonderful newspaper "The
Guardian" which regularly tries its best to say something good
about Islamic extremists. The name of the writer is Luke Harding,
now he is not allowed to enter Russia. So Mr. Luke Harding wrote
a great article for "The Guardian" about how the bloody FSB uses
suicide bombers in the Moscow subway. Now I invite Mr. Harding
to go to Boston and write something about how the bloody FBI has
used these Tsarnaev brothers. ..
http://echo.msk.ru/programs/code/1057024-echo/
Contrary to the popular legend, the terrorists is not such a
complex organism, it's just a virus that infests the coherence of
a healthy body. The Tsarnaev's case is also about that. One brother
was unable to graduate from the university, simply because he had
a bad evaluation. Another wanted to represent America at the World
Championships in boxing, but he could not, and, well, that's why
he blew it.
Moreover, note, if these two guys exploded somewhere six months
ago during their visit to Russia (one of them went to Russia) at
the checkpoint somewhere in Makhachkala, then today half of Russian
human rights activists would tell me that bloody FSB held up these
wonderful kids to compromise the peace of Salafis, who just pray
differently than traditional Muslims. And if these Salafis blow
someone, that is only in response to the terrible persecution. ..
The fact that Tsarnaev brothers are Chechens is not surprising.
I remind you, the Chechen Wahhabis back in the Maskhadov times,
in the 90s, once declared World War III against the US. Maskhadov
just came to America to request recognition of a young Chechen
Republic, and at the same time his Deputy Prime Waha Arsanov, a
Wahhabi, one of the most important kidnappers, being remained at
home, says "we announce the Third World War against the US."
I do not know whether this proclamation was noticed in America,
though I guess Maskhadov was strongly hiccupping. ..
Tsarnaev's father said that his son was set up by the bloody FBI
to discredit the Islam. .. His mother said that the FBI was
following his every move, and now they claim this is a terrorist
attack. .. That's nothing serious that someone blew people, the
point is, this one was set up to discredit the peaceful Salafis. ..
Let me remind you that the father of the suicide bomber, Maryam
Sharipova, exploded in the Moscow subway, said that her suicide
was arranged by the bloody FSB to compromise the Salafi Islam. ..
I also remind you that we had such a wonderful newspaper "The
Guardian" which regularly tries its best to say something good
about Islamic extremists. The name of the writer is Luke Harding,
now he is not allowed to enter Russia. So Mr. Luke Harding wrote
a great article for "The Guardian" about how the bloody FSB uses
suicide bombers in the Moscow subway. Now I invite Mr. Harding
to go to Boston and write something about how the bloody FBI has
used these Tsarnaev brothers. ..
saracene
Apr 21, 2013, 6:17:42 AM4/21/13
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On Apr 21, 11:05 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
> he blew it.
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> Moreover, note, if these two guys exploded somewhere six months
> ago during their visit to Russia (one of them went to Russia) at
> the checkpoint somewhere in Makhachkala, then today half of Russian
> human rights activists would tell me that bloody FSB held up these
> wonderful kids to compromise the peace of Salafis, who just pray
> differently than traditional Muslims. And if these Salafis blow
> someone, that is only in response to the terrible persecution. ..
The authorities know a lot about planned terrorist atrocities and
> he blew it.
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> Moreover, note, if these two guys exploded somewhere six months
> ago during their visit to Russia (one of them went to Russia) at
> the checkpoint somewhere in Makhachkala, then today half of Russian
> human rights activists would tell me that bloody FSB held up these
> wonderful kids to compromise the peace of Salafis, who just pray
> differently than traditional Muslims. And if these Salafis blow
> someone, that is only in response to the terrible persecution. ..
usually manage to stop them. Sometimes they think it politic to let
them go ahead, as seem to be the case with Lockerbie, maybe the 7/7
London bombings and maybe these latest Boston ones.
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Bill
Apr 21, 2013, 7:38:23 AM4/21/13
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remarkable assertion?
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 21, 2013, 9:06:35 AM4/21/13
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saracene,
news:9255f570-fcfc-42df...@r7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com
Well, indeed, if a source for terrorist activity exists
then it can be used for a creative social engineering.
Eg. to justify some restrictions on the civil liberties.
This raises questions about mechanisms of social control
over activities of the special services.
But the core issue is still the source as such (extremist
ideologies and social contradictions they are exploiting),
no alleged dirty games are possible without that.
Also the dirty tricks around the terrorist freaks may be
not only the prerogative of the authorities. I have no
enough knowledge to confidently judge about how it may
happen in the West, but in the specific case of Russia I
can see some of human right and opposition activists play
really dirty when they try to exploit the violence in the
North Caucasus just 'to spite' Kremlin (by exaggerating
the FSB's demonic brutality and by promoting conspiracies
about Kremlin's provocations).
news:9255f570-fcfc-42df...@r7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com
then it can be used for a creative social engineering.
Eg. to justify some restrictions on the civil liberties.
This raises questions about mechanisms of social control
over activities of the special services.
But the core issue is still the source as such (extremist
ideologies and social contradictions they are exploiting),
no alleged dirty games are possible without that.
Also the dirty tricks around the terrorist freaks may be
not only the prerogative of the authorities. I have no
enough knowledge to confidently judge about how it may
happen in the West, but in the specific case of Russia I
can see some of human right and opposition activists play
really dirty when they try to exploit the violence in the
North Caucasus just 'to spite' Kremlin (by exaggerating
the FSB's demonic brutality and by promoting conspiracies
about Kremlin's provocations).
saracene
Apr 21, 2013, 11:19:47 AM4/21/13
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On Apr 21, 12:38 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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> >On Apr 21, 11:05 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
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> >The authorities know a lot about planned terrorist atrocities and
> >usually manage to stop them. Sometimes they think it politic to let
> >them go ahead, as seem to be the case with Lockerbie, maybe the 7/7
> >London bombings and maybe these latest Boston ones.
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> I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
> remarkable assertion?
Did you ever the Channel 4 film "The Maltese Double Cross"?
> >On Apr 21, 11:05 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
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> >The authorities know a lot about planned terrorist atrocities and
> >usually manage to stop them. Sometimes they think it politic to let
> >them go ahead, as seem to be the case with Lockerbie, maybe the 7/7
> >London bombings and maybe these latest Boston ones.
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> I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
> remarkable assertion?
Bill
Apr 21, 2013, 11:48:37 AM4/21/13
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Absolute bollocks.
saracene
Apr 21, 2013, 11:50:08 AM4/21/13
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saracene
Apr 21, 2013, 11:59:14 AM4/21/13
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Bill
Apr 21, 2013, 1:59:33 PM4/21/13
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saracene
Apr 21, 2013, 3:34:28 PM4/21/13
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On Apr 21, 6:59 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >On Apr 21, 4:48 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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> >> >On Apr 21, 12:38 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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> >> >> >On Apr 21, 11:05 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
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> >> >> >The authorities know a lot about planned terrorist atrocities and
> >> >> >usually manage to stop them. Sometimes they think it politic to let
> >> >> >them go ahead, as seem to be the case with Lockerbie, maybe the 7/7
> >> >> >London bombings and maybe these latest Boston ones.
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> >> >> I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
> >> >> remarkable assertion?
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> >> Absolute bollocks.
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> >I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maltese_Double_Cross_%E2%80%93_Lock...
> >On Apr 21, 4:48 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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> >> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 21, 12:38 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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> >> >> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Apr 21, 11:05 am, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
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> >> >> >The authorities know a lot about planned terrorist atrocities and
> >> >> >usually manage to stop them. Sometimes they think it politic to let
> >> >> >them go ahead, as seem to be the case with Lockerbie, maybe the 7/7
> >> >> >London bombings and maybe these latest Boston ones.
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> >> >> I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
> >> >> remarkable assertion?
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> >> >Did you ever the Channel 4 film "The Maltese Double Cross"?
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> >> Absolute bollocks.
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> >I don't suppose for one moment that you have any proof of that
> >remarkable assertion?
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Wikipedia indeed! Anyone can write those articles.
Bill
Apr 21, 2013, 5:04:14 PM4/21/13
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However that one has references back to the original articles.
Oleg Smirnov
May 7, 2013, 8:11:45 AM5/7/13
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http://echo.msk.ru/news/1068920-echo.html
"Almost half of Russians, 48%, trust Putin more than any
other politician / May 7, 2013 | 13:32 / According to a
survey of the fund "Public opinion" if elections were
held next Sunday, the same percentage of citizens would
vote for him to be the head of state. Putin's closest
competitor, Dmitry Medvedev, is gaining 15%, 9% are for
Gennady Zyuganov, 7% for Vladimir Zhirinovsky."
The point is how the mainstream Western mass media present
the situation in Russia. There is no question why Russia's
majority does not think the oppositionists who proclaim
themselves as democratic could represent demos' interests.
Reasoning about 'the Kremlin's propaganda' is not honest.
@, news:kkol1e$jki$1...@os.motzarella.org
"Almost half of Russians, 48%, trust Putin more than any
other politician / May 7, 2013 | 13:32 / According to a
survey of the fund "Public opinion" if elections were
held next Sunday, the same percentage of citizens would
vote for him to be the head of state. Putin's closest
competitor, Dmitry Medvedev, is gaining 15%, 9% are for
Gennady Zyuganov, 7% for Vladimir Zhirinovsky."
The point is how the mainstream Western mass media present
the situation in Russia. There is no question why Russia's
majority does not think the oppositionists who proclaim
themselves as democratic could represent demos' interests.
Reasoning about 'the Kremlin's propaganda' is not honest.
@, news:kkol1e$jki$1...@os.motzarella.org
Oleg Smirnov
May 10, 2013, 6:47:50 PM5/10/13
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<http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/152315.html>
In Tallinn (Estonia), on Friday, the conference of leading Russian opposition
activists "Crisis of Democracy in Russia" .. has led to a fight and calling
police.
As members of the meeting told reporters, one of participants, Artem Demidov,
Estonian citizen, began to ask what three jobs oppositionist Rybachenko is
working in Estonia, and did she pay Estonian taxes .. After that he was
attacked by a member of the "Opposition Coordinating Council" Suren Ghazarian,
who is in suspended sentence in Russia for damage to some fence .. and is now
asking for political asylum in Estonia. In response Demidov called the police
..
As Demidov told, he came to the event and hoped that there will be talking
about democracy in Russia, "but instead I became a witness to how people just
poured their opponents with dirt, do not hesitate to get personal." He
complained that after his words that the Russian opposition all the time only
claims that in Russia everything is bad, "they were enraged, began to shout,
interrupted each other, one of the opposition members shouted that I was
insulting them, it was impossible to understand nothing becaise of their cry."
In turn Ghazarian told the media that the Demidov's speech was a "conceived
provocation."
In Tallinn (Estonia), on Friday, the conference of leading Russian opposition
activists "Crisis of Democracy in Russia" .. has led to a fight and calling
police.
As members of the meeting told reporters, one of participants, Artem Demidov,
Estonian citizen, began to ask what three jobs oppositionist Rybachenko is
working in Estonia, and did she pay Estonian taxes .. After that he was
attacked by a member of the "Opposition Coordinating Council" Suren Ghazarian,
who is in suspended sentence in Russia for damage to some fence .. and is now
asking for political asylum in Estonia. In response Demidov called the police
..
As Demidov told, he came to the event and hoped that there will be talking
about democracy in Russia, "but instead I became a witness to how people just
poured their opponents with dirt, do not hesitate to get personal." He
complained that after his words that the Russian opposition all the time only
claims that in Russia everything is bad, "they were enraged, began to shout,
interrupted each other, one of the opposition members shouted that I was
insulting them, it was impossible to understand nothing becaise of their cry."
In turn Ghazarian told the media that the Demidov's speech was a "conceived
provocation."
Oleg Smirnov
May 21, 2013, 10:08:10 AM5/21/13
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/05/21/russia-more-50-groups-targeted
“In Russian, the term ‘foreign agent’ unambiguously means ‘spy,’
and by forcing groups to wear this label the government is making
them lie about who they are,” Williamson said. “It is difficult
to avoid the impression that the government aims to punish,
humiliate, and ultimately silence groups by tarnishing them as
‘agents’ for foreign governments.”
What this Williamson is saying isn't true. In Russian, 'spy' is
spy and 'agent' is agent. The word 'agent' just has very wide
connotative range. Such terms as 'commercial agent', 'insurance
agent', 'advertising agent', 'transport agent' and so on are in
wide use in modern Russian. Similarly, the 'foreign agent' as such
is neither an insult nor a humiliation, it just reflects the kind
of agent's activity and agent's background.
The situation is rather funny.
For example, quite typical case, the authorities say: this NGO
received substantial foreign funding and participated in political
activism, so it should be registered as foreign agent. In response
the representatives of the NGO say: yes, we agree, we did, but if
we were registered as a foreign agent then people would refuse to
deal with us. Now the question is, what's the reason to be stubborn
against the registration if the wide public *already* knows that
this NGO *is* a foreign agent? Such cases are covered in the media,
so people anyway can know who is foreign agent and who is not.
It would be more productive to recognize: yes, we exist because
of foreign funding, but, look, we make good deeds, this and that,
so one can see that the foreign agents are not bad but quite good;
the only reason why such logics doesn't work might be that many
of these NGOs have nothing really good to show to Russian society.
@, news:kjthkr$f5e$1...@os.motzarella.org
> The dirty trick is to equate the foreign-funded NGOs and
> the 'civil society'. In reality the most part of Russian
> society supported the 'foreign agents' law (polls show
“In Russian, the term ‘foreign agent’ unambiguously means ‘spy,’
and by forcing groups to wear this label the government is making
them lie about who they are,” Williamson said. “It is difficult
to avoid the impression that the government aims to punish,
humiliate, and ultimately silence groups by tarnishing them as
‘agents’ for foreign governments.”
What this Williamson is saying isn't true. In Russian, 'spy' is
spy and 'agent' is agent. The word 'agent' just has very wide
connotative range. Such terms as 'commercial agent', 'insurance
agent', 'advertising agent', 'transport agent' and so on are in
wide use in modern Russian. Similarly, the 'foreign agent' as such
is neither an insult nor a humiliation, it just reflects the kind
of agent's activity and agent's background.
The situation is rather funny.
For example, quite typical case, the authorities say: this NGO
received substantial foreign funding and participated in political
activism, so it should be registered as foreign agent. In response
the representatives of the NGO say: yes, we agree, we did, but if
we were registered as a foreign agent then people would refuse to
deal with us. Now the question is, what's the reason to be stubborn
against the registration if the wide public *already* knows that
this NGO *is* a foreign agent? Such cases are covered in the media,
so people anyway can know who is foreign agent and who is not.
It would be more productive to recognize: yes, we exist because
of foreign funding, but, look, we make good deeds, this and that,
so one can see that the foreign agents are not bad but quite good;
the only reason why such logics doesn't work might be that many
of these NGOs have nothing really good to show to Russian society.
@, news:kjthkr$f5e$1...@os.motzarella.org
> The dirty trick is to equate the foreign-funded NGOs and
> the 'civil society'. In reality the most part of Russian
> society supported the 'foreign agents' law (polls show
Oleg Smirnov
May 25, 2013, 3:00:45 AM5/25/13
to
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/24/vladimir-putin-goal-russian-civil-society>
"One of these laws requires that NGOs which receive funding
from abroad and "engage in politics" voluntarily register
as "foreign agents". This demand is the equivalent of Nazi
Germany's demand that Jews don a yellow star."
The author, Lyudmila Alexeeva, is subject of dislike for many
in Russia because her vocality is often hypocritical and
inaccurate, while media in the West promote her as an 'icon'.
In fact, the Russian law is similar to the Usanian one.
<http://www.fara.gov/fara-faq.html>
"The purpose of FARA is to insure that the U.S. Government
and the people of the United States are informed of the
source of information (propaganda) and the identity of
persons attempting to influence U.S. public opinion, policy,
and laws."
@, news:knfuua$pko$1...@os.motzarella.org
"One of these laws requires that NGOs which receive funding
from abroad and "engage in politics" voluntarily register
as "foreign agents". This demand is the equivalent of Nazi
Germany's demand that Jews don a yellow star."
The author, Lyudmila Alexeeva, is subject of dislike for many
in Russia because her vocality is often hypocritical and
inaccurate, while media in the West promote her as an 'icon'.
In fact, the Russian law is similar to the Usanian one.
<http://www.fara.gov/fara-faq.html>
"The purpose of FARA is to insure that the U.S. Government
and the people of the United States are informed of the
source of information (propaganda) and the identity of
persons attempting to influence U.S. public opinion, policy,
and laws."
@, news:knfuua$pko$1...@os.motzarella.org
Oleg Smirnov
May 25, 2013, 3:54:00 PM5/25/13
to
<http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/24/should-the-us-be-a-political-player-in-russia/local-groups-in-russia-must-not-rely-on-the-us>
Civil society can flourish only if it is domestically
oriented, locally funded and motivated by patriotic
sentiments. Dependence on foreign funding undermines each
of these objectives. Even worse, it isolates democracy
advocates from their most important constituency, the
citizens to whom they should be appealing for support.
@, news:knpnaj$5hg$1...@os.motzarella.org
Civil society can flourish only if it is domestically
oriented, locally funded and motivated by patriotic
sentiments. Dependence on foreign funding undermines each
of these objectives. Even worse, it isolates democracy
advocates from their most important constituency, the
citizens to whom they should be appealing for support.
@, news:knpnaj$5hg$1...@os.motzarella.org
Oleg Smirnov
Jun 19, 2013, 10:54:21 AM6/19/13
to
<http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-us-russian-information-gap-8615>
"Increasingly, however, it appears that there may be a more
fundamental gap underlying the interests gap and the values
gap. This could best be termed the “information gap”—and
without bridging it to some degree, cooperation will remain
quite difficult."
By the way, a specific attribute of the modern Russian tyranny
is, there are several internet sites which present, on daily
basis, Russian translations of (mostly) Russia-related articles
from various languages all over the world.
<http://inosmi.ru/>
<http://inotv.rt.com/>
<http://inopressa.ru/>
<http://inoforum.ru/>
'Inosmi' is the oldest, state-supported; 'Inotv.RT' is RT's
thing; 'Inopressa' is Israeli media owned by former oligarch
escaped from Russia; and 'Inoforum' was made as an alternate
community initiative when 'Inosmi' changed editorial policies
several years ago.
If you see a lot of Russians among the commenters, then it's
likely the people have read the translated article on a front
page and followed the link to original publication.
"Increasingly, however, it appears that there may be a more
fundamental gap underlying the interests gap and the values
gap. This could best be termed the “information gap”—and
without bridging it to some degree, cooperation will remain
quite difficult."
By the way, a specific attribute of the modern Russian tyranny
is, there are several internet sites which present, on daily
basis, Russian translations of (mostly) Russia-related articles
from various languages all over the world.
<http://inosmi.ru/>
<http://inotv.rt.com/>
<http://inopressa.ru/>
<http://inoforum.ru/>
'Inosmi' is the oldest, state-supported; 'Inotv.RT' is RT's
thing; 'Inopressa' is Israeli media owned by former oligarch
escaped from Russia; and 'Inoforum' was made as an alternate
community initiative when 'Inosmi' changed editorial policies
several years ago.
If you see a lot of Russians among the commenters, then it's
likely the people have read the translated article on a front
page and followed the link to original publication.
Oleg Smirnov
Jun 22, 2013, 1:23:43 PM6/22/13
to
<http://news.yahoo.com/russian-ngo-forcibly-evicted-moscow-office-121338410.html>
"Lev Ponomaryov, 72, who heads For Human Rights, said he
was beaten all over his body when security forces stormed
the building at around 2 a.m. and dragged him out."
Actually, the 'human right' activists use the same tactics
as the FEMEN girls do. They put themselves in position when
guards are forced to grapple them. So, a scenic picture is.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfkyZ3OYvA>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn3XD06Vbxs>
The videos show that the guards stay calmly while the mob
of activists around them is hysterically squealing and
trying to demand something.
It was caused by ending of term of office lease contract.
"Lev Ponomaryov, 72, who heads For Human Rights, said he
was beaten all over his body when security forces stormed
the building at around 2 a.m. and dragged him out."
Actually, the 'human right' activists use the same tactics
as the FEMEN girls do. They put themselves in position when
guards are forced to grapple them. So, a scenic picture is.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfkyZ3OYvA>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn3XD06Vbxs>
The videos show that the guards stay calmly while the mob
of activists around them is hysterically squealing and
trying to demand something.
It was caused by ending of term of office lease contract.
Oleg Smirnov
Jul 23, 2013, 3:57:39 AM7/23/13
to
http://wciom.ru/index.php?id=459&uid=114302
Russian poll: What is the greatest threat?
35% Settlement of foreign immigrants in Russia.
33% Decline of culture, science, and education.
28% Environmental disasters and / or terrorism.
25% Depletion of oil and gas resources.
24% Collapse of state power.
23% Extinction of population due to low birth rate.
22% Decline in living standards.
Less than 20%:
Threats from space, massive epidemics, loss of border
territories, civil war, war with other countries,
subversive activities of Western intelligence,
revolution, fascist coup, loss of national sovereignty,
disintegration of country into several states.
Russian poll: What is the greatest threat?
35% Settlement of foreign immigrants in Russia.
33% Decline of culture, science, and education.
28% Environmental disasters and / or terrorism.
25% Depletion of oil and gas resources.
24% Collapse of state power.
23% Extinction of population due to low birth rate.
22% Decline in living standards.
Less than 20%:
Threats from space, massive epidemics, loss of border
territories, civil war, war with other countries,
subversive activities of Western intelligence,
revolution, fascist coup, loss of national sovereignty,
disintegration of country into several states.
Mr. B1ack
Jul 23, 2013, 7:29:27 AM7/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:57:39 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
There has obviously been a decline in Russian
mathematics education ... since the combined
total for "greatest threat" comes to just under
210 percent :-)
Or maybe it's a higher-dimensional pie-chart, all
those extra percents lifting off the paper or
something ? That would be in keeping with
traditional Russian mathematical excellence.
wrote:
mathematics education ... since the combined
total for "greatest threat" comes to just under
210 percent :-)
Or maybe it's a higher-dimensional pie-chart, all
those extra percents lifting off the paper or
something ? That would be in keeping with
traditional Russian mathematical excellence.
Oleg Smirnov
Jul 23, 2013, 8:47:05 AM7/23/13
to
Mr. B1ack, <news:dmpsu8tdj4bpaj5ue...@4ax.com>
You seem to be a great wit, and this seems to be
a poll where the interviewee could check any number
of items in the list of suggested threats.
a poll where the interviewee could check any number
of items in the list of suggested threats.
Mr. B1ack
Jul 23, 2013, 9:57:06 PM7/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:47:05 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
Likely it was some kind of pre-prepared list
where the participants could mark 'threats'
in some order of perceived danger. However
the top title is "What is the greatest threat" -
'threat' being singlular - which would have
produced a nice 2-dimensional pie chart with
everything adding up to exactly 100 percent.
"How Russians rank commonly perceived
threats" would have been a better title.
I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
"Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
however given the discovery of VAST
petroleum reserves in Siberia. However
the top-ranking "threat" does not surprise
me ... the Russian population was insulated
from the rest of the world - generally by
politics and poverty - for longer than the
people in western europe. Insulation tends
to produce "clannishness" and a certain
level of xenophobia.
Of course with radical Islam pounding away
right at Russias southern border (and to a degree
within its borders) I can see a basis for some
of that xenophobia today. There is rapidly escalating
concern in europe also, enough to fuel a sort of
neo-fascist movement.
where the participants could mark 'threats'
in some order of perceived danger. However
the top title is "What is the greatest threat" -
'threat' being singlular - which would have
produced a nice 2-dimensional pie chart with
everything adding up to exactly 100 percent.
"How Russians rank commonly perceived
threats" would have been a better title.
I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
"Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
however given the discovery of VAST
petroleum reserves in Siberia. However
the top-ranking "threat" does not surprise
me ... the Russian population was insulated
from the rest of the world - generally by
politics and poverty - for longer than the
people in western europe. Insulation tends
to produce "clannishness" and a certain
level of xenophobia.
Of course with radical Islam pounding away
right at Russias southern border (and to a degree
within its borders) I can see a basis for some
of that xenophobia today. There is rapidly escalating
concern in europe also, enough to fuel a sort of
neo-fascist movement.
Oleg Smirnov
Jul 23, 2013, 11:43:57 PM7/23/13
to
Mr. B1ack, <news:itbuu8h9naruls68d...@4ax.com>
The xenophobic fantasies about especial Russian
clannishness and xenophobia are of low relevance,
more prosaic explanation is related to the fact
that Russia already has about 20 - 25 million of
immigrants for 140 million of native population.
clannishness and xenophobia are of low relevance,
more prosaic explanation is related to the fact
that Russia already has about 20 - 25 million of
immigrants for 140 million of native population.
Bill
Jul 24, 2013, 4:04:31 AM7/24/13
to
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
> however given the discovery of VAST
> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
year or two ago.
wrote:
> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
> however given the discovery of VAST
> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
year or two ago.
Mr. B1ack
Jul 24, 2013, 6:58:34 AM7/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
wrote:
A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
since the 70s !
wrote:
since the 70s !
Bill
Jul 24, 2013, 8:31:32 AM7/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>
>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>year or two ago.
>
>
> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
> since the 70s !
Not that anyone noticed.
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>
>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>year or two ago.
>
>
> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
> since the 70s !
Mr. B1ack
Jul 24, 2013, 9:41:29 PM7/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:31:32 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
cars and raise the price of gas.
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>
>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>year or two ago.
>>
>>
>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>> since the 70s !
>
>Not that anyone noticed.
They used it as an excuse to mandate economy
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>
>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>year or two ago.
>>
>>
>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>> since the 70s !
>
>Not that anyone noticed.
cars and raise the price of gas.
Bill
Jul 25, 2013, 6:38:40 AM7/25/13
to
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:41:29 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:31:32 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>>
>>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>>year or two ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>>> since the 70s !
>>
>>Not that anyone noticed.
>
>
> They used it as an excuse to mandate economy
> cars and raise the price of gas.
I must assume you're talking about American domestic politics here.
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:31:32 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>>
>>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>>year or two ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>>> since the 70s !
>>
>>Not that anyone noticed.
>
>
> They used it as an excuse to mandate economy
> cars and raise the price of gas.
Mr. B1ack
Jul 25, 2013, 9:52:49 PM7/25/13
to
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:38:40 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
While economical vehicles are a smart thing - and
there was much room for improvement in the 70s -
the rate at which improvement was mandated
shifted much of the auto industry to Japan, which
had already done the research and made the
tooling for better engines. America got behind
and stayed there for a long time. Then the
outsourcing/offshoring of parts began and ....
The second thing was the excuses to raise gas
taxes and prices. This was also evil. It encouraged
a lot of American production to cease, increasing
our dependence on foreign sources - who then
proceeded with embargoes and then to screw
us royally.
Both of these results - results that could easily
be predicted - reflect a hatred for America, and
a way to cripple us.
wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:41:29 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:31:32 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>>>
>>>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>>>year or two ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>>>> since the 70s !
>>>
>>>Not that anyone noticed.
>>
>>
>> They used it as an excuse to mandate economy
>> cars and raise the price of gas.
>
>I must assume you're talking about American domestic politics here.
Yes.
>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 21:41:29 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:31:32 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:58:34 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:04:31 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:57:06 -0400, Mr. B1ack <now...@nada.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm rather surprised Russians would rank
>>>>>> "Depletion of oil and gas resources" at 25%
>>>>>> however given the discovery of VAST
>>>>>> petroleum reserves in Siberia.
>>>>>
>>>>>They've probably just been pounded by the 'peak oil' phonies we got a
>>>>>year or two ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A year or two ??? They've been screaming "peak oil"
>>>> since the 70s !
>>>
>>>Not that anyone noticed.
>>
>>
>> They used it as an excuse to mandate economy
>> cars and raise the price of gas.
>
>I must assume you're talking about American domestic politics here.
While economical vehicles are a smart thing - and
there was much room for improvement in the 70s -
the rate at which improvement was mandated
shifted much of the auto industry to Japan, which
had already done the research and made the
tooling for better engines. America got behind
and stayed there for a long time. Then the
outsourcing/offshoring of parts began and ....
The second thing was the excuses to raise gas
taxes and prices. This was also evil. It encouraged
a lot of American production to cease, increasing
our dependence on foreign sources - who then
proceeded with embargoes and then to screw
us royally.
Both of these results - results that could easily
be predicted - reflect a hatred for America, and
a way to cripple us.
Oleg Smirnov
Jul 29, 2013, 12:55:09 PM7/29/13
to
<http://www.apsny.ge/2013/soc/1375150890.php>
Stalin returns to Gori / 29.07.2013 19:21
According to decision of the Ministry of Culture of Georgia
the monument of Stalin will be returned to Gori. Ministry of
Culture satisfied the request of the City Council of Gori on
restoration of the monument to the Soviet leader. Presumably,
it will be restored by December 21, the birthday of Stalin.
The monument will be installed in front of the old house of
Joseph Dzhugashvili.
---
Stalin still remains to be ethnic hero of people in Georgia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil
In an interview with a Dutch magazine, Sandra Roelofs, the
Dutch wife of the new Georgian president and hence the new
first lady of Georgia, explained that her husband aspires to
follow in the long tradition of strong Georgian leaders "like
Stalin and Beria". Saakashvili started his march on Tbilisi
last November with a rally in front of the statue of Stalin
in his birthplace, Gori.
Stalin returns to Gori / 29.07.2013 19:21
According to decision of the Ministry of Culture of Georgia
the monument of Stalin will be returned to Gori. Ministry of
Culture satisfied the request of the City Council of Gori on
restoration of the monument to the Soviet leader. Presumably,
it will be restored by December 21, the birthday of Stalin.
The monument will be installed in front of the old house of
Joseph Dzhugashvili.
---
Stalin still remains to be ethnic hero of people in Georgia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil
In an interview with a Dutch magazine, Sandra Roelofs, the
Dutch wife of the new Georgian president and hence the new
first lady of Georgia, explained that her husband aspires to
follow in the long tradition of strong Georgian leaders "like
Stalin and Beria". Saakashvili started his march on Tbilisi
last November with a rally in front of the statue of Stalin
in his birthplace, Gori.
Mr. B1ack
Jul 29, 2013, 9:43:34 PM7/29/13
to
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:55:09 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
><http://www.apsny.ge/2013/soc/1375150890.php>
>
>Stalin returns to Gori / 29.07.2013 19:21
>
>According to decision of the Ministry of Culture of Georgia
>the monument of Stalin will be returned to Gori. Ministry of
>Culture satisfied the request of the City Council of Gori on
>restoration of the monument to the Soviet leader. Presumably,
>it will be restored by December 21, the birthday of Stalin.
>The monument will be installed in front of the old house of
>Joseph Dzhugashvili.
I guess they'll be putting up a triumphal statue
of Hitler in downtown Berlin next ....
When things suck for long enough, old monsters
start to look GOOD.
wrote:
><http://www.apsny.ge/2013/soc/1375150890.php>
>
>Stalin returns to Gori / 29.07.2013 19:21
>
>According to decision of the Ministry of Culture of Georgia
>the monument of Stalin will be returned to Gori. Ministry of
>Culture satisfied the request of the City Council of Gori on
>restoration of the monument to the Soviet leader. Presumably,
>it will be restored by December 21, the birthday of Stalin.
>The monument will be installed in front of the old house of
>Joseph Dzhugashvili.
of Hitler in downtown Berlin next ....
When things suck for long enough, old monsters
start to look GOOD.
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 9, 2013, 10:15:27 AM8/9/13
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<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD0cyEhvku4>
The older guy dressed in blue is popular Russian singer,
he made quite extensive use of gay aesthetics for about 20
years in his stage image. Wikipedia says he is an open gay
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Moiseev>. He is also a
member of evil 'United Russia' party ;)
I suspect the Russian law, prohibiting LGBT propaganda to
minors, was not intended to 'punish' people like that, but
was a response to trolling behaviour of those LGBT activists
who try to push their 'LGBT pride' in focus in streets and
everywhere where possible. If someone goes after you and
urgently suggests - hey, smell my armpit, that is my pride
rather than shame! - then you likely will tend to consider
that as a kind of harassment. Russian lawmakers have tried
to regulate it, and gave rise to horrors in Western media.
Russia's justice differentiates 'felony' and 'administrative
infraction'; according to the law the 'propaganda of
untraditional sex to minors' is the latter. According to
the law the infraction is punishable by fine, it does not
suppose imprisonment. The value of fine is from $150 for
private person to $30000 for the case when a legal entity
(organization) leads such propaganda through mass media.
I myself have no clear and comprehensive attitude to the
issue since the subject is rather subtle, I just want to
notice that the horrors are too exaggerated, as usual.
The older guy dressed in blue is popular Russian singer,
he made quite extensive use of gay aesthetics for about 20
years in his stage image. Wikipedia says he is an open gay
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Moiseev>. He is also a
member of evil 'United Russia' party ;)
I suspect the Russian law, prohibiting LGBT propaganda to
minors, was not intended to 'punish' people like that, but
was a response to trolling behaviour of those LGBT activists
who try to push their 'LGBT pride' in focus in streets and
everywhere where possible. If someone goes after you and
urgently suggests - hey, smell my armpit, that is my pride
rather than shame! - then you likely will tend to consider
that as a kind of harassment. Russian lawmakers have tried
to regulate it, and gave rise to horrors in Western media.
Russia's justice differentiates 'felony' and 'administrative
infraction'; according to the law the 'propaganda of
untraditional sex to minors' is the latter. According to
the law the infraction is punishable by fine, it does not
suppose imprisonment. The value of fine is from $150 for
private person to $30000 for the case when a legal entity
(organization) leads such propaganda through mass media.
I myself have no clear and comprehensive attitude to the
issue since the subject is rather subtle, I just want to
notice that the horrors are too exaggerated, as usual.
Mr. B1ack
Aug 9, 2013, 11:24:34 PM8/9/13
to
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:15:27 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
I suspect all Russians are thoroughly fucked at birth ... so
the who's what's where's and why's make little difference
thereafter :-)
wrote:
the who's what's where's and why's make little difference
thereafter :-)
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 12, 2013, 12:27:47 PM8/12/13
to
<http://sochi2014.rsport.ru/sochi2014/20130812/679288539.html>
Berel Lazar, Chief Rabbi of Russia, Chairman of FJCR (Federation
of Jewish Communities of Russia) Council of Rabbis: "Unfortunately,
again, we see how people try to use the sacred memory of Holocaust
for their own purposes. It disturbs us and insults the memory of
people who died during the WW2. The alleged purpose to destroy or
oppress sexual minorities is out of the question, there is no a
single person who would pursue such a goal. What we are asking is,
the discussion of homosexuality should not be related to children
since children are open to any actions and influences."
Alexander Boroda, chairman of FJCR Executive Board: "I am strongly
against the attacks to Sochi Olympics, and I generally support the
law banning propaganda. The system of moral values in the world is
shifting, and in this sense Russia is a bastion of common sense,
morality, and God-fearing."
Berel Lazar, Chief Rabbi of Russia, Chairman of FJCR (Federation
of Jewish Communities of Russia) Council of Rabbis: "Unfortunately,
again, we see how people try to use the sacred memory of Holocaust
for their own purposes. It disturbs us and insults the memory of
people who died during the WW2. The alleged purpose to destroy or
oppress sexual minorities is out of the question, there is no a
single person who would pursue such a goal. What we are asking is,
the discussion of homosexuality should not be related to children
since children are open to any actions and influences."
Alexander Boroda, chairman of FJCR Executive Board: "I am strongly
against the attacks to Sochi Olympics, and I generally support the
law banning propaganda. The system of moral values in the world is
shifting, and in this sense Russia is a bastion of common sense,
morality, and God-fearing."
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 15, 2013, 4:27:13 PM8/15/13
to
<http://tinyurl.com/qdmzyyn>
Yet more horrors.
Also do not forget that about 15% in Russia are of Muslim
origin. This part is increasing rapidly via big immigration
from Central Asia. They are even more conservative.
Oleg Smirnov, <news:kub2ga$nvo$1...@os.motzarella.org>
Yet more horrors.
Also do not forget that about 15% in Russia are of Muslim
origin. This part is increasing rapidly via big immigration
from Central Asia. They are even more conservative.
Oleg Smirnov, <news:kub2ga$nvo$1...@os.motzarella.org>
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 20, 2013, 6:51:22 AM8/20/13
to
<http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2013/08/20/n_3124029.shtml>
Russian prosecutors say that Britain is the only country
that has refused to cooperate in the case against William
Browder (accused of illegal securities trading in Russia).
<http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/4/25/11038.html>
"Browder's biography is pretty interesting. His grandmother
was a known spy, a double agent of the Soviet Union and the
United States, she worked mostly in Europe. By the way, she
spent some time in prison in the Soviet Union and died in
the Soviet Union. She was wife of the General Secretary of
the Communist Party of USA, so Browder is the grandson of
the General Secretary of the Communist Party of USA. So he
has very good relations with the Jewish lobby in USA." And
that's why the 'Magnitsky bill' was pushed in Congress.
I do not know how true these details are, though something
like that could explain rather strange involvement of this
person in Russia-related political games.
> http://tinyurl.com/bql4xxh (2005 December)
>
> Yesterday, the head of one of the largest investment
> funds - Hermitage Capital Management (HCM) - William
> Browder made a sensational statement in which he fully
> supported the actions of the Russian authorities in the
> economic sphere, including the Yukos case.
> The head of HCM is sure that in 2005, "Putin heard of
> investors and now acts." Yesterday's speech Browder
> broadcasted by CNBC, which appeared under the headline
> "Putin looks to the West" looks so optimistic about what
> can be considered the most important contribution of the
> private sector in the program forming the image of Russia
> abroad.
>
> http://grani.ru/Economy/m.100145.html (the 2005 as well)
>
> The head of HCM is sure that in 2005, "Putin heard of
> investors and now acts."
> According to Browder, Putin's actions in relation to the
> company "Yukos" and Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Platon Lebedev
> and their colleagues explained by reasons of national
> security. He stressed that Khodorkovsky "was trying to
> get the power, using the money to achieve their goals."
Russian prosecutors say that Britain is the only country
that has refused to cooperate in the case against William
Browder (accused of illegal securities trading in Russia).
<http://www.russia.ru/news/politics/2013/4/25/11038.html>
"Browder's biography is pretty interesting. His grandmother
was a known spy, a double agent of the Soviet Union and the
United States, she worked mostly in Europe. By the way, she
spent some time in prison in the Soviet Union and died in
the Soviet Union. She was wife of the General Secretary of
the Communist Party of USA, so Browder is the grandson of
the General Secretary of the Communist Party of USA. So he
has very good relations with the Jewish lobby in USA." And
that's why the 'Magnitsky bill' was pushed in Congress.
I do not know how true these details are, though something
like that could explain rather strange involvement of this
person in Russia-related political games.
> http://tinyurl.com/bql4xxh (2005 December)
>
> Yesterday, the head of one of the largest investment
> funds - Hermitage Capital Management (HCM) - William
> Browder made a sensational statement in which he fully
> supported the actions of the Russian authorities in the
> economic sphere, including the Yukos case.
> The head of HCM is sure that in 2005, "Putin heard of
> investors and now acts." Yesterday's speech Browder
> broadcasted by CNBC, which appeared under the headline
> "Putin looks to the West" looks so optimistic about what
> can be considered the most important contribution of the
> private sector in the program forming the image of Russia
> abroad.
>
> http://grani.ru/Economy/m.100145.html (the 2005 as well)
>
> The head of HCM is sure that in 2005, "Putin heard of
> investors and now acts."
> According to Browder, Putin's actions in relation to the
> company "Yukos" and Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Platon Lebedev
> and their colleagues explained by reasons of national
> security. He stressed that Khodorkovsky "was trying to
> get the power, using the money to achieve their goals."
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 23, 2013, 12:39:00 PM8/23/13
to
<http://www.looktothestars.org/news/10678-kim-basinger-urges-russian-president-to-release-captive-whales>
"Kim Basinger Urges Russian President To Release Captive Whales"
Kim Basinger is disgustingly homophobic. She is talking about the
whales, but says nothing at all about the gay and lesbian whales.
We're calling all free-minded people to boycott Basinger's movies.
"Kim Basinger Urges Russian President To Release Captive Whales"
Kim Basinger is disgustingly homophobic. She is talking about the
whales, but says nothing at all about the gay and lesbian whales.
We're calling all free-minded people to boycott Basinger's movies.
Oleg Smirnov
Aug 24, 2013, 3:58:21 AM8/24/13
to
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr8i3jzo5fk>
Staff of American embassy in Kiev sings aboriginal song.
Original version: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_4XvldJw0>
Staff of American embassy in Kiev sings aboriginal song.
Original version: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_4XvldJw0>
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 1, 2013, 2:51:12 PM9/1/13
to
<http://www.apsny.ge/2013/soc/1378075191.php>
At the initiative of the international organization
"Stalinets" and Union of Veterans, monument to Joseph
Stalin (Dzhugashvili) was unveiled today in Telavi,
near the Memorial of the Second World War.
The monument was inaugurated in a solemn atmosphere.
The participants of the event laid wreaths. They also
have read poems dedicated to the leader of the USSR.
The Stalin monument was sculpted by donations.
At the initiative of the international organization
"Stalinets" and Union of Veterans, monument to Joseph
Stalin (Dzhugashvili) was unveiled today in Telavi,
near the Memorial of the Second World War.
The monument was inaugurated in a solemn atmosphere.
The participants of the event laid wreaths. They also
have read poems dedicated to the leader of the USSR.
The Stalin monument was sculpted by donations.
Mr. B1ack
Sep 1, 2013, 11:50:14 PM9/1/13
to
I guess Stalin didn't murder QUITE as many Georgians
compared to the other soviets .............
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:51:12 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
compared to the other soviets .............
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:51:12 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 2, 2013, 11:32:14 AM9/2/13
to
Mr. B1ack, <news:am2829l6bgv1gchmn...@4ax.com>
> I guess Stalin didn't murder QUITE as many Georgians
> compared to the other soviets .............
It may be true to some extent, Georgia was one of 'privileged'
republics in the Soviet Union, no holodomors were in Georgia.
But the main reason isn't that but nationalist pride. Eg. the
most privileged in the SU were the Balts, but most of the Balts
hate Stalin. In the case of the Georgians, they are just proud
of the fact that their tribesman was ruling so big Soviet
'empire' and so strictly.
When Khrushchev 'exposed the cult of personality' of Stalin,
in the mid 1950s, Georgia was the only Soviet region where mass
protests occurred. In the late Soviet times under Brezhnev rule,
Stalin was a kind of taboo, and there was a kind of protest
fashion among Georgian truck drivers to stick Stalin's portrait
on the windshield. Though this doesn't mean that all Georgians
are so ardent funs, Stalin haters exist there as well.
> I guess Stalin didn't murder QUITE as many Georgians
> compared to the other soviets .............
republics in the Soviet Union, no holodomors were in Georgia.
But the main reason isn't that but nationalist pride. Eg. the
most privileged in the SU were the Balts, but most of the Balts
hate Stalin. In the case of the Georgians, they are just proud
of the fact that their tribesman was ruling so big Soviet
'empire' and so strictly.
When Khrushchev 'exposed the cult of personality' of Stalin,
in the mid 1950s, Georgia was the only Soviet region where mass
protests occurred. In the late Soviet times under Brezhnev rule,
Stalin was a kind of taboo, and there was a kind of protest
fashion among Georgian truck drivers to stick Stalin's portrait
on the windshield. Though this doesn't mean that all Georgians
are so ardent funs, Stalin haters exist there as well.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 4, 2013, 5:52:13 AM9/4/13
to
<http://www.itar-tass.com/c13/860281.html>
MINSK, .. According to the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of
Belarus, the average salary of head of a commercial organization may
not exceed the average salary in the organization of more than 8 times.
The government's decision extends to all companies, regardless of
their form of ownership.
According to polls <http://news.tut.by/politics/355802.html>
Lukashenko's approval rating is about 48% while disapproval rating is
43%. Approval rating of 'democratic opposition' in Belarus is about
15%. About 30% of the Belorussians are in favor of reunification with
Russia while 40% oppose reunification.
<http://en.for-ua.com/news/2013/09/04/101333.html>
Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that "wherever Ukraine goes,
we’ll still meet sometime and somewhere." "You know, whatever happens,
and wherever Ukraine goes, we will still meet sometime and somewhere.
Why? Because we are one nation. Nationalists from both sides may be
angry with what I am saying, but it's true," ..
<http://www.euractiv.com/europes-east/eu-loses-armenia-russia-customs-news-530224>
EU loses Armenia to Russia’s Customs Union / Armenia will join a
customs union led by its former Soviet master Russia, the country’s
President Serzh Sargsyan said yesterday (3 September), a move
incompatible with the free trade agreement the EU is preparing with
Yerevan ..
MINSK, .. According to the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of
Belarus, the average salary of head of a commercial organization may
not exceed the average salary in the organization of more than 8 times.
The government's decision extends to all companies, regardless of
their form of ownership.
According to polls <http://news.tut.by/politics/355802.html>
Lukashenko's approval rating is about 48% while disapproval rating is
43%. Approval rating of 'democratic opposition' in Belarus is about
15%. About 30% of the Belorussians are in favor of reunification with
Russia while 40% oppose reunification.
<http://en.for-ua.com/news/2013/09/04/101333.html>
Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that "wherever Ukraine goes,
we’ll still meet sometime and somewhere." "You know, whatever happens,
and wherever Ukraine goes, we will still meet sometime and somewhere.
Why? Because we are one nation. Nationalists from both sides may be
angry with what I am saying, but it's true," ..
<http://www.euractiv.com/europes-east/eu-loses-armenia-russia-customs-news-530224>
EU loses Armenia to Russia’s Customs Union / Armenia will join a
customs union led by its former Soviet master Russia, the country’s
President Serzh Sargsyan said yesterday (3 September), a move
incompatible with the free trade agreement the EU is preparing with
Yerevan ..
Mr. B1ack
Sep 4, 2013, 5:36:05 PM9/4/13
to
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:52:13 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
><http://www.itar-tass.com/c13/860281.html>
>
>MINSK, .. According to the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of
>Belarus, the average salary of head of a commercial organization may
>not exceed the average salary in the organization of more than 8 times.
>The government's decision extends to all companies, regardless of
>their form of ownership.
An interesting idea ... though I'd have made it
a nice clean ten times.
I expect there are going to be ways to distort
salaries of course ... to make the regular workers
seem to make more and the bosses seem to
make less. It's inevitible. Even thus, it'd still be
a significant clamp on personal profits for the
owners/CEOs/etc.
However it's important to ask whether skilled
people would even bother to start up large
enterprises if they knew they could not profit
very much from their efforts. Profit tends to
trump patriotism ... so they may take their
business elsewhere - leaving Belarus in a
bad way. Are they SO jealous of people who
do better than the average that they'd shoot
themselves in the foot like that ?
Oh well, we'll see how it works out for them.
wrote:
><http://www.itar-tass.com/c13/860281.html>
>
>MINSK, .. According to the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of
>Belarus, the average salary of head of a commercial organization may
>not exceed the average salary in the organization of more than 8 times.
>The government's decision extends to all companies, regardless of
>their form of ownership.
a nice clean ten times.
I expect there are going to be ways to distort
salaries of course ... to make the regular workers
seem to make more and the bosses seem to
make less. It's inevitible. Even thus, it'd still be
a significant clamp on personal profits for the
owners/CEOs/etc.
However it's important to ask whether skilled
people would even bother to start up large
enterprises if they knew they could not profit
very much from their efforts. Profit tends to
trump patriotism ... so they may take their
business elsewhere - leaving Belarus in a
bad way. Are they SO jealous of people who
do better than the average that they'd shoot
themselves in the foot like that ?
Oh well, we'll see how it works out for them.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 14, 2013, 2:28:26 AM9/14/13
to
<http://tinyurl.com/kdlxyp8>
"STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON MOSCOW MAYORAL ELECTION"
<http://tinyurl.com/ktzhmmo>
"Exclusive: John McCain Will Attack Vladimir Putin in the Pages of Pravda"
Senator John McCain, the clown.
...
Fyi, despite its famous brand name, today's 'Pravda'
is quite specific second-tier newspaper, it is not
among the major and most read news press in Russia.
"STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON MOSCOW MAYORAL ELECTION"
<http://tinyurl.com/ktzhmmo>
"Exclusive: John McCain Will Attack Vladimir Putin in the Pages of Pravda"
Senator John McCain, the clown.
...
Fyi, despite its famous brand name, today's 'Pravda'
is quite specific second-tier newspaper, it is not
among the major and most read news press in Russia.
Mr. B1ack
Sep 14, 2013, 3:25:30 AM9/14/13
to
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:28:26 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
I've read Pravda ... it's an anachronism, a throwback
to the USSR and the propaganda aims of the dictators.
The sad bit is that Putin actually told the Truth in his NYT
address. Since WW-2, the USA has been just as bad in
every way as Assad. We have no more 'high horse' to
sit upon, no superiority to justify the notion that we are
somehow 'better' than everyone else and should thus
run the world.
But America and some other big western nations are
vested in this illusion of moral superiority, despite large
amounts of evidence to the contrary. They will not hear
Putin - but will instead attack him.
wrote:
to the USSR and the propaganda aims of the dictators.
The sad bit is that Putin actually told the Truth in his NYT
address. Since WW-2, the USA has been just as bad in
every way as Assad. We have no more 'high horse' to
sit upon, no superiority to justify the notion that we are
somehow 'better' than everyone else and should thus
run the world.
But America and some other big western nations are
vested in this illusion of moral superiority, despite large
amounts of evidence to the contrary. They will not hear
Putin - but will instead attack him.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 19, 2013, 1:05:29 PM9/19/13
to
Mr. B1ack, <news:fh3839pvf7lmcbqco...@4ax.com>
true Pravda: <http://gazeta-pravda.ru/> and the outlet
with the registered name 'Pravda.ru'.
> The sad bit is that Putin actually told the Truth in
> his NYT address. Since WW-2, the USA has been just as
> bad in every way as Assad. We have no more 'high horse'
> to sit upon, no superiority to justify the notion that
> we are somehow 'better' than everyone else and should
> thus run the world.
>
> But America and some other big western nations are
> vested in this illusion of moral superiority, despite
> large amounts of evidence to the contrary. They will
> not hear Putin - but will instead attack him.
<http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/19-09-2013/125705-McCain_for_pravda_ru-0/>
I think the main result of his answer will be better
promotion of Pravda.ru for English-speaking audience,
their editor made a smart move when invited McCain.
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:28:26 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
> <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/kdlxyp8>
>>
>> "STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON MOSCOW MAYORAL
>> ELECTION"
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ktzhmmo>
>>
>> "Exclusive: John McCain Will Attack Vladimir Putin in
>> the Pages of Pravda"
>>
>> Senator John McCain, the clown.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Fyi, despite its famous brand name, today's 'Pravda'
>> is quite specific second-tier newspaper, it is not
>> among the major and most read news press in Russia.
>
> I've read Pravda ... it's an anachronism, a throwback
> to the USSR and the propaganda aims of the dictators.
There are two Pravdas today: the post-Soviet Communist
> <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/kdlxyp8>
>>
>> "STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON MOSCOW MAYORAL
>> ELECTION"
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/ktzhmmo>
>>
>> "Exclusive: John McCain Will Attack Vladimir Putin in
>> the Pages of Pravda"
>>
>> Senator John McCain, the clown.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Fyi, despite its famous brand name, today's 'Pravda'
>> is quite specific second-tier newspaper, it is not
>> among the major and most read news press in Russia.
>
> I've read Pravda ... it's an anachronism, a throwback
> to the USSR and the propaganda aims of the dictators.
true Pravda: <http://gazeta-pravda.ru/> and the outlet
with the registered name 'Pravda.ru'.
> The sad bit is that Putin actually told the Truth in
> his NYT address. Since WW-2, the USA has been just as
> bad in every way as Assad. We have no more 'high horse'
> to sit upon, no superiority to justify the notion that
> we are somehow 'better' than everyone else and should
> thus run the world.
>
> But America and some other big western nations are
> vested in this illusion of moral superiority, despite
> large amounts of evidence to the contrary. They will
> not hear Putin - but will instead attack him.
I think the main result of his answer will be better
promotion of Pravda.ru for English-speaking audience,
their editor made a smart move when invited McCain.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 22, 2013, 5:40:32 AM9/22/13
to
> "Exclusive: John McCain Will Attack Vladimir Putin in the
> Pages of Pravda"
<http://www.salon.com/2013/09/19/confused_senator_attempts_to_publish_column_in_communist_newspaper_from_distant_past/>
> Pages of Pravda"
So, after Vladimir Putin published a provocative column in America’s
most prominent and trusted newspaper, John McCain basically submitted
his response to the Russian equivalent of the Daily Blaze. ..
He almost got it right, sort of. One of Russia’s bigger newspapers is
Komsomolskaya Pravda, or Komsomol Truth — not to be confused with plain
“Truth” — and today Komsomol Truth is is straight-up mocking McCain.
...
There are two words to designate 'truth' in Russian: 'pravda' and
'istina'. The latter is closer to logic, and its origin goes back to
Greek. The meaning of 'pravda' connotes to something in between
'rightness', 'straightness', and 'justice'. Criminal code of ancient
Kievan Rus was called 'Russian Pravda'. Not to be confused with the
'Russian Pravda', a reform program, written in the 19th century by
Pavel Pestel, one of those Decembrist republican revolutionaries.
In the Soviet Union the word was hackneyed as an indispensable part
of newspapers' names. The main press organ 'Pravda' was supplemented
by 'Komsomol Pravda' for youth and 'Young Pioneer Pravda' for children.
In addition to that there were many regional pravdas. There were
'Moscow Pravda', 'Udmurt Pravda', 'Pravda of Ukraine', 'Transpolar
Pravda', 'Issyk Kul Pravda', 'Pravda of North', and 'Pravda of East',
and a lot like that.
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 12, 2013, 1:08:17 AM11/12/13
to
<http://aseees.org/new/title8-alert.php>
"As you may know, the Title VIII program, administered by the
U.S. Department of State with funds appropriated by Congress,
has supported language training and research on Eastern Europe
and Eurasia for over 25 years. .. In the midst of the general
strife over the national budget and debt ceiling, we received
news that the Title VIII program .. did not receive an
appropriation for the federal fiscal year 2013. Unfortunately
this means a significant reduction in the number of fellowships
and grants available .."
This sounds as a rather good news, since a large part of the
American "research on Eastern Europe and Eurasia" is usually
rather incompetent and biased to wrong discourse.
"As you may know, the Title VIII program, administered by the
U.S. Department of State with funds appropriated by Congress,
has supported language training and research on Eastern Europe
and Eurasia for over 25 years. .. In the midst of the general
strife over the national budget and debt ceiling, we received
news that the Title VIII program .. did not receive an
appropriation for the federal fiscal year 2013. Unfortunately
this means a significant reduction in the number of fellowships
and grants available .."
This sounds as a rather good news, since a large part of the
American "research on Eastern Europe and Eurasia" is usually
rather incompetent and biased to wrong discourse.
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 17, 2013, 3:07:12 PM11/17/13
to
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 21, 2013, 1:36:06 PM11/21/13
to
<http://www.standartnews.com/english/read/ukraine_ditches_eu_acccession_plans_and_rather_turns_to_russia-1594.html>
Ukraine's government decided Thursday to call off
the planned signing of landmark agreements with
the EU on the road of its accession to the community.
.. Instead, Ukraine's government proposed Thursday
the creation of a trilateral commission between
itself, Russia and the European Union to explore
ways to deepen mutual ties.
<http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABRE9AK0S220131121>
Ukraine abruptly abandoned a historic new alliance
with its western neighbors on Thursday, halting
plans for an imminent trade pact with the European
Union and saying it would instead revive talks with
Russia.
...
The current Ukrainian leadership seem to be quite
sane in its 'trilateral' intentions. They don't
want to quarrel neither with EU nor with Russia.
Too much pathetic tune in the Reuters article does
not seem to be appropriate.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shche_ne_vmerla_Ukraina>
Ukraine's government decided Thursday to call off
the planned signing of landmark agreements with
the EU on the road of its accession to the community.
.. Instead, Ukraine's government proposed Thursday
the creation of a trilateral commission between
itself, Russia and the European Union to explore
ways to deepen mutual ties.
<http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABRE9AK0S220131121>
Ukraine abruptly abandoned a historic new alliance
with its western neighbors on Thursday, halting
plans for an imminent trade pact with the European
Union and saying it would instead revive talks with
Russia.
...
The current Ukrainian leadership seem to be quite
sane in its 'trilateral' intentions. They don't
want to quarrel neither with EU nor with Russia.
Too much pathetic tune in the Reuters article does
not seem to be appropriate.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shche_ne_vmerla_Ukraina>
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Oleg Smirnov
Nov 26, 2013, 12:19:26 PM11/26/13
to
<http://www.unian.net/news/606942-es-predlojil-1-mlrd-evro-na-modernizatsiyu-pri-neobhodimyih-150-165-mlrd-azarov.html>
"Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolay Azarov: EU offered only one
billion euros over 7 years as compensation costs for production
modernization necessary to bring it up to EU standards, while
according to calculations of Ukrainian experts about 150 - 165
billion euros for 10 years is required for this purpose."
<http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/176275.html>
"The extremely harsh conditions of the International Monetary
Fund (IMF) loan were the last argument in favor of the Ukrainian
government's decision to suspend preparations .."
<http://lenta.ru/news/2013/11/26/putin/>
Putin has said, the total Ukrainian debt to financial bodies of
Russia exceeds $30 billion.
"Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolay Azarov: EU offered only one
billion euros over 7 years as compensation costs for production
modernization necessary to bring it up to EU standards, while
according to calculations of Ukrainian experts about 150 - 165
billion euros for 10 years is required for this purpose."
<http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/176275.html>
"The extremely harsh conditions of the International Monetary
Fund (IMF) loan were the last argument in favor of the Ukrainian
government's decision to suspend preparations .."
<http://lenta.ru/news/2013/11/26/putin/>
Putin has said, the total Ukrainian debt to financial bodies of
Russia exceeds $30 billion.
Oleg Smirnov
Nov 27, 2013, 6:02:22 AM11/27/13
to
<http://tinyurl.com/ngvkdyc>
"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych stressed that the
requirements of the International Monetary Fund to increase
tariffs for housing and communal services for the population
are unacceptable. .. Do not humiliate us. We are not young
children .. We are a serious European country .."
Ukraine is expensive.
"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych stressed that the
requirements of the International Monetary Fund to increase
tariffs for housing and communal services for the population
are unacceptable. .. Do not humiliate us. We are not young
children .. We are a serious European country .."
Ukraine is expensive.
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Oleg Smirnov
Dec 2, 2013, 2:35:11 AM12/2/13
to
<http://tinyurl.com/opdtpma> the washingtontimes
It is instructive to take a look at the results of the democracy drive
just at the past decade, starting with the 2003 “Revolution of the
Roses” in Georgia, where a putsch brought to power Columbia University
graduate Mikhail Saakashvili, who spoke all the right words about
freedom, democracy and the evil Russian empire. .. However, behind that
verbal smoke screen, Mr. Saakashvili imposed a most repressive and
corrupt police regime. ..
The next U.S. democracy promotion project, which took place in Ukraine
in 2004, brought to power the leaders of the so-called “Orange
Revolution.” A mere four years later, they were bounced out of office,
with their flag-bearer and another darling of the West, Viktor
Yushchenko, failing to get even 5 percent of the vote. ..
In Kyrgyzstan, the so-called “Tulip Revolution” of 2005 succeeded in
merely replacing one corrupt autocrat, Askar Akaev, with the even more
corrupt Kurmanbek Bakiyev. ..
As for democracy promotion efforts in Iraq and Libya, they were not
limited to “soft” power, but were complemented by the use of the most
sophisticated hard power. Nevertheless, the results are absolute
disaster for everyone except al Qaeda, with sinister implications that
are now hard to foresee. ..
It is instructive to take a look at the results of the democracy drive
just at the past decade, starting with the 2003 “Revolution of the
Roses” in Georgia, where a putsch brought to power Columbia University
graduate Mikhail Saakashvili, who spoke all the right words about
freedom, democracy and the evil Russian empire. .. However, behind that
verbal smoke screen, Mr. Saakashvili imposed a most repressive and
corrupt police regime. ..
The next U.S. democracy promotion project, which took place in Ukraine
in 2004, brought to power the leaders of the so-called “Orange
Revolution.” A mere four years later, they were bounced out of office,
with their flag-bearer and another darling of the West, Viktor
Yushchenko, failing to get even 5 percent of the vote. ..
In Kyrgyzstan, the so-called “Tulip Revolution” of 2005 succeeded in
merely replacing one corrupt autocrat, Askar Akaev, with the even more
corrupt Kurmanbek Bakiyev. ..
As for democracy promotion efforts in Iraq and Libya, they were not
limited to “soft” power, but were complemented by the use of the most
sophisticated hard power. Nevertheless, the results are absolute
disaster for everyone except al Qaeda, with sinister implications that
are now hard to foresee. ..
Mr. B1ack
Dec 2, 2013, 9:29:24 AM12/2/13
to
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 11:35:11 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
I'll note that in some of those countries you're just
never going to get what westerners would dare call
"uncorrupt" leaders ... because that's simply not
the cultural tradition, not how anyone there perceives
"The Way Things Are Done". Bribes and pay-offs
and exploitation being a hard-ass are EXPECTED
in lots of countries because that's how it's always
been done.
We weep and moan about, say Karzi's corrupt
good-ole-boys network ... but, for better or worse,
that's just how things get DONE in Afghanistan.
Russians really crave a Czar - a strong-man who
can cut through the shit and get things done - no
matter how much rhetoric we hear about 'democracy'.
Bribery and back-patting are normal biz through most
of asia - and if you want to do biz in central Africa then
you first make it clear to the head honcho how HE can
gonna profit handsomly from the arrangement ... and
don't forget the up-front "gifts" to show your respect.
What was it in those old "Trek" episodes ... the "Ferengi"
business model ? :-) It DOES work, and has been the
most model on this planet all through history. Oh, that
includes the USA here and now ... our "leaders" are
just a bit more discrete.
The downside of the bribery/favors system is that it
does tend to concentrate wealth and power within a
relatively small circle, limiting opportunities for the
peons more than a truely uncorrupted approach
would do. Of course whether this is "good" or "bad"
kinda depends on the cultural norms and whether
you think the peons have some kind of "right" to
get a bigger cut of the action.
In any case, I think the experiences in Georgia and
Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan and such show mostly how
all that fine rhetoric about "freedom and equality"
in no way MEANS more freedom and equality. It's
like the US political faction that calls itself "liberals",
yet are as, or even more, illiberal than their opponents.
Obamastan or Romneystan ... they'd both be police
states and Joe Average would get poorer too.
IMHO, the only hope for Joe Average is to make sure
NO political party ever truely gains the upper hand.
Keep things stirred-up ... a balance of horrors.
wrote:
never going to get what westerners would dare call
"uncorrupt" leaders ... because that's simply not
the cultural tradition, not how anyone there perceives
"The Way Things Are Done". Bribes and pay-offs
and exploitation being a hard-ass are EXPECTED
in lots of countries because that's how it's always
been done.
We weep and moan about, say Karzi's corrupt
good-ole-boys network ... but, for better or worse,
that's just how things get DONE in Afghanistan.
Russians really crave a Czar - a strong-man who
can cut through the shit and get things done - no
matter how much rhetoric we hear about 'democracy'.
Bribery and back-patting are normal biz through most
of asia - and if you want to do biz in central Africa then
you first make it clear to the head honcho how HE can
gonna profit handsomly from the arrangement ... and
don't forget the up-front "gifts" to show your respect.
What was it in those old "Trek" episodes ... the "Ferengi"
business model ? :-) It DOES work, and has been the
most model on this planet all through history. Oh, that
includes the USA here and now ... our "leaders" are
just a bit more discrete.
The downside of the bribery/favors system is that it
does tend to concentrate wealth and power within a
relatively small circle, limiting opportunities for the
peons more than a truely uncorrupted approach
would do. Of course whether this is "good" or "bad"
kinda depends on the cultural norms and whether
you think the peons have some kind of "right" to
get a bigger cut of the action.
In any case, I think the experiences in Georgia and
Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan and such show mostly how
all that fine rhetoric about "freedom and equality"
in no way MEANS more freedom and equality. It's
like the US political faction that calls itself "liberals",
yet are as, or even more, illiberal than their opponents.
Obamastan or Romneystan ... they'd both be police
states and Joe Average would get poorer too.
IMHO, the only hope for Joe Average is to make sure
NO political party ever truely gains the upper hand.
Keep things stirred-up ... a balance of horrors.
Oleg Smirnov
Dec 18, 2013, 6:43:17 AM12/18/13
to
<http://tinyurl.com/n5v7rwn>
"KIEV: Ukraine has avoided bankruptcy and social collapse
thanks to a "historic" deal with Russia for Moscow to buy $15
billion of Ukrainian bonds and slash gas prices, its prime
minister said Wednesday. / "What would have awaited Ukraine
(without the deal)? The answer is clear -- bankruptcy and
social collapse," .. He hailed Tuesday's "historic" agreement
between President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian counterpart
Viktor Yanukovych as the only option for the country at a
time of economic crisis. Azarov said there was no way
Ukraine could have signed an Association Agreement with the
European Union as Kiev would have had to have accepted
unfeasibly stringent IMF conditions for economic reform."
Ukraine is expensive and insidious.
And the Western geostrategists are stupid and greedy ;-)
"KIEV: Ukraine has avoided bankruptcy and social collapse
thanks to a "historic" deal with Russia for Moscow to buy $15
billion of Ukrainian bonds and slash gas prices, its prime
minister said Wednesday. / "What would have awaited Ukraine
(without the deal)? The answer is clear -- bankruptcy and
social collapse," .. He hailed Tuesday's "historic" agreement
between President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian counterpart
Viktor Yanukovych as the only option for the country at a
time of economic crisis. Azarov said there was no way
Ukraine could have signed an Association Agreement with the
European Union as Kiev would have had to have accepted
unfeasibly stringent IMF conditions for economic reform."
Ukraine is expensive and insidious.
And the Western geostrategists are stupid and greedy ;-)
DVH
Dec 18, 2013, 7:13:18 AM12/18/13
to
On 18/12/2013 11:43, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://tinyurl.com/n5v7rwn>
> "KIEV: Ukraine has avoided bankruptcy and social collapse
> thanks to a "historic" deal with Russia for Moscow to buy $15
> billion of Ukrainian bonds and slash gas prices, its prime
> minister said Wednesday. / "What would have awaited Ukraine
> (without the deal)? The answer is clear -- bankruptcy and
> social collapse," .. He hailed Tuesday's "historic" agreement
> between President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian counterpart
> Viktor Yanukovych as the only option for the country at a
> time of economic crisis. Azarov said there was no way
> Ukraine could have signed an Association Agreement with the
> European Union as Kiev would have had to have accepted
> unfeasibly stringent IMF conditions for economic reform."
>
> Ukraine is expensive and insidious.
>
> And the Western geostrategists are stupid and greedy ;-)
So Ukraine is to be maintained in its corrupt and economically depressed
> <http://tinyurl.com/n5v7rwn>
> "KIEV: Ukraine has avoided bankruptcy and social collapse
> thanks to a "historic" deal with Russia for Moscow to buy $15
> billion of Ukrainian bonds and slash gas prices, its prime
> minister said Wednesday. / "What would have awaited Ukraine
> (without the deal)? The answer is clear -- bankruptcy and
> social collapse," .. He hailed Tuesday's "historic" agreement
> between President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian counterpart
> Viktor Yanukovych as the only option for the country at a
> time of economic crisis. Azarov said there was no way
> Ukraine could have signed an Association Agreement with the
> European Union as Kiev would have had to have accepted
> unfeasibly stringent IMF conditions for economic reform."
>
> Ukraine is expensive and insidious.
>
> And the Western geostrategists are stupid and greedy ;-)
condition so that Russia doesn't have to live side-by-side with NATO.
Azarov is counting his Black Sea villas as we speak.
Oleg Smirnov
Dec 18, 2013, 7:34:40 AM12/18/13
to
DVH, <news:xjgsu.548$2v7...@fx09.am4>
All is not good, and it'll be even worse.
Oleg Smirnov
Dec 19, 2013, 7:04:17 AM12/19/13
to
<http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2013/dec/19/guardian-weekly-year-review-2013-russia>
"It's almost funny when you think about it – all
those European bureaucrats beavering away over the
minutiae of the trade deal, and then along comes
Putin with a sack of cash and scuppers the whole
thing in a matter of minutes."
Ukraine is rather different matter than the Balts,
or even Romanians and Bulgarians. The Ukrainians
in average have much less reverence towards the West
in their mind and heart, and hardly they are ready
to join the club on unfavorable terms. The main
issue is, those European bureaucrats were not able
to provide an offer favorable enough economically.
Btw, the situation illustrates that in the case of
Ukraine the West is dealing with a kind of Russia,
actually ;)
The Westerners should think twice. Do they really
want to have a member in EU that would not be ready
to obey the Atlantic fashions unquestioningly, and
have different preferences on some sensitive issues.
The Cossacks' Ukraine is really like that, despite
any contradictions that may exist between Ukraine
and Russia.
"It's almost funny when you think about it – all
those European bureaucrats beavering away over the
minutiae of the trade deal, and then along comes
Putin with a sack of cash and scuppers the whole
thing in a matter of minutes."
Ukraine is rather different matter than the Balts,
or even Romanians and Bulgarians. The Ukrainians
in average have much less reverence towards the West
in their mind and heart, and hardly they are ready
to join the club on unfavorable terms. The main
issue is, those European bureaucrats were not able
to provide an offer favorable enough economically.
Btw, the situation illustrates that in the case of
Ukraine the West is dealing with a kind of Russia,
actually ;)
The Westerners should think twice. Do they really
want to have a member in EU that would not be ready
to obey the Atlantic fashions unquestioningly, and
have different preferences on some sensitive issues.
The Cossacks' Ukraine is really like that, despite
any contradictions that may exist between Ukraine
and Russia.
Oleg Smirnov
Dec 20, 2013, 4:50:36 AM12/20/13
to
<http://www.voanews.com/content/ukraines-yanukovych-west-should-stay-out-of-crisis/1813679.html>
"Ukraine's embattled president harshly criticized the West on
Thursday for supporting massive street protests calling for
his ouster .. Visibly angered, Yanukovych said he was
"categorically against others coming to our country and teaching
us how to live." He ruled out early elections and said
opposition politicians needed to "keep their own ambitions
under control" after weeks of anti-government protests."
To better understand Ukrainian politics one shold know most of
the current opposition politicians who lead now the street
protests, were in state positions during the term of previous
highly pro-Western president Youshchenko, who ended up with his
pathetic 5% in the last elections. Why these guys did not sign
the EU deal at the time? Because they knew as well that the EU
is rather evil, and it would not be economically advantageous.
"Ukraine's embattled president harshly criticized the West on
Thursday for supporting massive street protests calling for
his ouster .. Visibly angered, Yanukovych said he was
"categorically against others coming to our country and teaching
us how to live." He ruled out early elections and said
opposition politicians needed to "keep their own ambitions
under control" after weeks of anti-government protests."
To better understand Ukrainian politics one shold know most of
the current opposition politicians who lead now the street
protests, were in state positions during the term of previous
highly pro-Western president Youshchenko, who ended up with his
pathetic 5% in the last elections. Why these guys did not sign
the EU deal at the time? Because they knew as well that the EU
is rather evil, and it would not be economically advantageous.
Oleg Smirnov
Dec 22, 2013, 3:31:26 PM12/22/13
to
<http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/22/vladimir-putin-authoritarianism-russia>
"This has been the year of Vladimir Putin's ascendancy. The Russian
president has made Barack Obama look like a conman's stooge – a lame
duck president so weak that he can barely waddle to the pond."
"Please sir do something evil towards Russia, otherwise we'll claim
everywhere that you have no balls", that's the cry of The Guardian's
metrosexuals as well. To do something evil towards Russia is not so
rational but rather an aesthetic need. Russia destroys our vision of
what the world should be, so we need to do something evil to Russia.
That were the sweet dreams of Napoleon and Hitler. That is the very
traditional dream of the progressive minds of the West for centuries.
"This has been the year of Vladimir Putin's ascendancy. The Russian
president has made Barack Obama look like a conman's stooge – a lame
duck president so weak that he can barely waddle to the pond."
"Please sir do something evil towards Russia, otherwise we'll claim
everywhere that you have no balls", that's the cry of The Guardian's
metrosexuals as well. To do something evil towards Russia is not so
rational but rather an aesthetic need. Russia destroys our vision of
what the world should be, so we need to do something evil to Russia.
That were the sweet dreams of Napoleon and Hitler. That is the very
traditional dream of the progressive minds of the West for centuries.
Oleg Smirnov
Jan 2, 2014, 3:06:53 PM1/2/14
to
<http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/doc_2012/rus-eng12.pdf>
<http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/doc_2013/rus13_eng.pdf>
'Russia statistical pocketbooks' for 2012 and 2013, in English.
<http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/doc_2013/rus13_eng.pdf>
'Russia statistical pocketbooks' for 2012 and 2013, in English.
Oleg Smirnov
Jan 20, 2014, 3:15:58 PM1/20/14
to
<http://www.buzzfeed.com/azazello/16-things-russians-do-that-americans-would-find-we-cqjf>
"16 Things Russians Do That Americans Might Find Weird
An American going to Russia for the first time is bound
to notice some differences in the way people act. Here’s
a short list of things Russians do that Americans might
find a little weird. .."
My comments to the items:
1. Not so much
2. True
3. Depends (actually, it's Georgian / Armenian / ..)
4. Not so much
5 - 8. True
9. False
10. Depends (and works both gender ways btw)
11. Southern custom
12. Obsolete (was relevant in the Soviet times)
13. True
14. False
15. Not so much
16. True
"16 Things Russians Do That Americans Might Find Weird
An American going to Russia for the first time is bound
to notice some differences in the way people act. Here’s
a short list of things Russians do that Americans might
find a little weird. .."
My comments to the items:
1. Not so much
2. True
3. Depends (actually, it's Georgian / Armenian / ..)
4. Not so much
5 - 8. True
9. False
10. Depends (and works both gender ways btw)
11. Southern custom
12. Obsolete (was relevant in the Soviet times)
13. True
14. False
15. Not so much
16. True
Oleg Smirnov
Jan 21, 2014, 6:24:36 PM1/21/14
to
Who's interested in Kyevan riots, may watch it live.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrZcAsPKK74>
This is pro-protesters channel, btw. The 'riot' as such
occupies a small area about 100 x 100 meters, where the
rioters, mostly youth, have built kinda barricade, and
the police is standing in line about 30-40 meters far in
front of them. A few Orthodox priests have come last
early morning and are now standing in between the rioters
and police. The reporters are wandering here and there.
Temperature is -10-15C, the rioters are knocking iron on
iron, and all it looks and sounds pretty much surreal.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrZcAsPKK74>
This is pro-protesters channel, btw. The 'riot' as such
occupies a small area about 100 x 100 meters, where the
rioters, mostly youth, have built kinda barricade, and
the police is standing in line about 30-40 meters far in
front of them. A few Orthodox priests have come last
early morning and are now standing in between the rioters
and police. The reporters are wandering here and there.
Temperature is -10-15C, the rioters are knocking iron on
iron, and all it looks and sounds pretty much surreal.
DVH
Jan 22, 2014, 3:53:16 PM1/22/14
to
Oleg Smirnov
Jan 31, 2014, 2:12:08 PM1/31/14
to
<http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-30/ukraines-economy-europe-russia-tug-of-war-hampers-solutions>
"A poll by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology
found that 39 percent of Ukrainians want to join the EU, while
37 percent prefer closer ties with Russia. Pro-EU sentiment
prevails in Kiev and western Ukraine, while the south and east,
settled by ethnic Russians in tsarist times, are pro-Russia."
The south of the modern Ukraine was conquered from the Ottoman
empire by Russian tsarist army. It was populated with mixed
people from Russian and Ukrainian areas, also by the Jews and
the Greeks. The east areas of the modern Ukraine is a part of
initial Cossack lands, from Zaporozhye to Don. In the 17 - 19
centuries they were co-populated gradually by migrants from
various places within Russian empire. Soviet and post-Soviet
division of these areas to 'Ukrainian' and 'Russian' parts was
essentially artificial.
"A poll by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology
found that 39 percent of Ukrainians want to join the EU, while
37 percent prefer closer ties with Russia. Pro-EU sentiment
prevails in Kiev and western Ukraine, while the south and east,
settled by ethnic Russians in tsarist times, are pro-Russia."
The south of the modern Ukraine was conquered from the Ottoman
empire by Russian tsarist army. It was populated with mixed
people from Russian and Ukrainian areas, also by the Jews and
the Greeks. The east areas of the modern Ukraine is a part of
initial Cossack lands, from Zaporozhye to Don. In the 17 - 19
centuries they were co-populated gradually by migrants from
various places within Russian empire. Soviet and post-Soviet
division of these areas to 'Ukrainian' and 'Russian' parts was
essentially artificial.
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 6:19:51 AM2/4/14
to
<http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers called
a free and fair election, was chosen president. His term ends
in 2015. Yet since November, protesters have occupied Maidan
Square in Kiev, battling police, and howling for Yanukovych’s
resignation. The United States appears now to be collaborating
with Europe in bringing about the neutering or overthrow of
that democratically elected government.
In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers called
a free and fair election, was chosen president. His term ends
in 2015. Yet since November, protesters have occupied Maidan
Square in Kiev, battling police, and howling for Yanukovych’s
resignation. The United States appears now to be collaborating
with Europe in bringing about the neutering or overthrow of
that democratically elected government.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 6:25:06 AM2/4/14
to
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:19:51 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
ukraine needs a new constitution involving power sharing...
it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist russia's
doing...
if all the russians went home, maybe heaven on earth
would emerge...or maybe not
have another smirnov
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it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist russia's
doing...
if all the russians went home, maybe heaven on earth
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Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 6:47:20 AM2/4/14
to
abelard, <news:scj1f9luhv6gpni3k...@4ax.com>
> it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist
> russia's doing...
Actually, the specifics of the region is, there is no
clear boundaries (cultural and ethnic). No such
boundaries between Russia and Ukraine, and within
Ukraine it's not possible to draw a clear line between
the western Ukes and the eastern ones. And the
activities the Western emissaries there are engaged in
are more destructive rather than moderating.
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:19:51 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
> <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
>>
>> In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers
>> called a free and fair election, was chosen president.
>> His term ends in 2015. Yet since November, protesters
>> have occupied Maidan Square in Kiev, battling police,
>> and howling for Yanukovych's resignation. The United
>> States appears now to be collaborating with Europe in
>> bringing about the neutering or overthrow of that
>> democratically elected government.
>
> ukraine needs a new constitution involving power
> sharing...
Great expert advice, no doubt.
> <ve...@gde.ru> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
>>
>> In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers
>> called a free and fair election, was chosen president.
>> His term ends in 2015. Yet since November, protesters
>> have occupied Maidan Square in Kiev, battling police,
>> and howling for Yanukovych's resignation. The United
>> States appears now to be collaborating with Europe in
>> bringing about the neutering or overthrow of that
>> democratically elected government.
>
> ukraine needs a new constitution involving power
> sharing...
> it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist
> russia's doing...
clear boundaries (cultural and ethnic). No such
boundaries between Russia and Ukraine, and within
Ukraine it's not possible to draw a clear line between
the western Ukes and the eastern ones. And the
activities the Western emissaries there are engaged in
are more destructive rather than moderating.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 6:49:40 AM2/4/14
to
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:47:20 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
you're such an obfuscator and apologist...
there are no 'clear boundaries' anywhere in the real world
>> if all the russians went home, maybe heaven on earth
>> would emerge...or maybe not
>>
>> have another smirnov
there are no 'clear boundaries' anywhere in the real world
>> if all the russians went home, maybe heaven on earth
>> would emerge...or maybe not
>>
>> have another smirnov
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 6:58:59 AM2/4/14
to
abelard, <news:8sk1f9pbdtjr2gpj3...@4ax.com>
French, for example. There is 'a boundary' between the English
and the Scotch. Ukrainian boundaries're much more blurred.
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:47:20 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>>>> <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
>>>>
>>>> In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers
>>>> called a free and fair election, was chosen president.
>>>> His term ends in 2015. Yet since November, protesters
>>>> have occupied Maidan Square in Kiev, battling police,
>>>> and howling for Yanukovych's resignation. The United
>>>> States appears now to be collaborating with Europe in
>>>> bringing about the neutering or overthrow of that
>>>> democratically elected government.
>>>
>>> ukraine needs a new constitution involving power
>>> sharing...
>>
>> Great expert advice, no doubt.
>>
>>> it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist
>>> russia's doing...
>>
>> Actually, the specifics of the region is, there is no
>> clear boundaries (cultural and ethnic). No such
>> boundaries between Russia and Ukraine, and within
>> Ukraine it's not possible to draw a clear line between
>> the western Ukes and the eastern ones. And the
>> activities the Western emissaries there are engaged in
>> are more destructive rather than moderating.
>
> you're such an obfuscator and apologist...
>
> there are no 'clear boundaries' anywhere in the real world
There is rather clear difference between the British and the
>>>>
>>>> In 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, in what neutral observers
>>>> called a free and fair election, was chosen president.
>>>> His term ends in 2015. Yet since November, protesters
>>>> have occupied Maidan Square in Kiev, battling police,
>>>> and howling for Yanukovych's resignation. The United
>>>> States appears now to be collaborating with Europe in
>>>> bringing about the neutering or overthrow of that
>>>> democratically elected government.
>>>
>>> ukraine needs a new constitution involving power
>>> sharing...
>>
>> Great expert advice, no doubt.
>>
>>> it's practically 2 countries...and that is communist
>>> russia's doing...
>>
>> Actually, the specifics of the region is, there is no
>> clear boundaries (cultural and ethnic). No such
>> boundaries between Russia and Ukraine, and within
>> Ukraine it's not possible to draw a clear line between
>> the western Ukes and the eastern ones. And the
>> activities the Western emissaries there are engaged in
>> are more destructive rather than moderating.
>
> you're such an obfuscator and apologist...
>
> there are no 'clear boundaries' anywhere in the real world
French, for example. There is 'a boundary' between the English
and the Scotch. Ukrainian boundaries're much more blurred.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 7:03:18 AM2/4/14
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:58:59 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
russia has long tried to populate the ukraine with russians...
hitler wanted to populate russia with germans...
people in glass houses should be sparing with the stone
throwing
wrote:
hitler wanted to populate russia with germans...
people in glass houses should be sparing with the stone
throwing
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 7:12:34 AM2/4/14
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abelard, <news:0ml1f99tbhi99q13l...@4ax.com>
The comparison is greatly idiotic and irrelevant.
And these ignorant 'experts' rush to decide what
is good for Ukraine and what is bad, just no limit
to the Western impudence.
And these ignorant 'experts' rush to decide what
is good for Ukraine and what is bad, just no limit
to the Western impudence.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 7:13:39 AM2/4/14
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:12:34 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
rotfl
you're such a chauvinist
>And these ignorant 'experts' rush to decide what
>is good for Ukraine and what is bad, just no limit
>to the Western impudence.
>
>> people in glass houses should be sparing with the stone
>> throwing
you're such a chauvinist
>And these ignorant 'experts' rush to decide what
>is good for Ukraine and what is bad, just no limit
>to the Western impudence.
>
>> people in glass houses should be sparing with the stone
>> throwing
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 7:21:23 AM2/4/14
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abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 7:23:55 AM2/4/14
to
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 7:32:56 AM2/4/14
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abelard, <news:4um1f997410hpmbp2...@4ax.com>
Seriously, the Western minds often project the
vices of their own unconscious to the situations
they don't understand well.
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:21:23 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
vices of their own unconscious to the situations
they don't understand well.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 7:34:09 AM2/4/14
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:32:56 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
sure they do..sure they do smirny....
you really imagine your fake freudianism will get you
out of your hole?
wrote:
you really imagine your fake freudianism will get you
out of your hole?
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 7:44:55 AM2/4/14
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abelard, <news:1en1f91cuji6u3ifd...@4ax.com>
It is not a freudianism but rather common psychology.
It is compounded by arrogance and ignorance.
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:32:56 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
It is compounded by arrogance and ignorance.
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 7:56:05 AM2/4/14
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:44:55 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
you're such a glutton for punishment
you must be a masochist
wrote:
you must be a masochist
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 8:11:00 AM2/4/14
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abelard, <news:ipo1f9dvav3n2jukv...@4ax.com>
Tell me more about your wet dreams.
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 16:44:55 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 8:13:15 AM2/4/14
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:11:00 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
i'd think of you every night..but i prefer yaks....
keep digging
wrote:
keep digging
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 8:27:49 AM2/4/14
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<http://tinyurl.com/owfkemd>
"It is a complete nonsense and crazy garbage, which has no relation
to the Treaty Association. That is a rough struggle for power in
Ukraine .. The situation looks as if Ukraine will soon split .. I
think this may be one of the goals of the West and America. There
are 50 million people in Ukraine. If this country continue to develop
normally, it will be a full-fledged player in the map of Europe, such
as France or Italy. And who needs strong players? .. They chatter
about the democracy. It turns out that the democracy is when someone
throws Molotov cocktail to the police. I'd like to see how Americans
react if some protester threws Molotov cocktail at their police .."
Voices from Latvia.
"It is a complete nonsense and crazy garbage, which has no relation
to the Treaty Association. That is a rough struggle for power in
Ukraine .. The situation looks as if Ukraine will soon split .. I
think this may be one of the goals of the West and America. There
are 50 million people in Ukraine. If this country continue to develop
normally, it will be a full-fledged player in the map of Europe, such
as France or Italy. And who needs strong players? .. They chatter
about the democracy. It turns out that the democracy is when someone
throws Molotov cocktail to the police. I'd like to see how Americans
react if some protester threws Molotov cocktail at their police .."
Voices from Latvia.
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 2:16:23 PM2/4/14
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> <http://www.theamericanconservative.com/will-mobs-rule-in-ukraine/>
Video from the comments <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNtL8h3Wic>
<http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/07/us-ngo-uncovered-in-ukraine-protests/>
".. The EU association agreement with Ukraine is widely resisted by
many EU member states with deep economic problems of their own. The
two EU figures most pushing it — Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt
and Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski — are both well known
in the EU as close to Washington. .."
The Swedish and Polish activities may be explained historically.
The ruin of the medieval Swedish domination was related to Ukraine
<http://is.gd/ZjE7xv>. Their politicians are still jealous. Before
that the people of Ukraine were living under Polish rule that ended
up with bloody uprising <http://is.gd/iekYGI>. The well-established
Polish archetypes towards the Ukrainians may be illustrated by this
humor incident <http://en.for-ua.com/news/2012/06/22/112119.html>.
Video from the comments <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNtL8h3Wic>
<http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/01/07/us-ngo-uncovered-in-ukraine-protests/>
".. The EU association agreement with Ukraine is widely resisted by
many EU member states with deep economic problems of their own. The
two EU figures most pushing it — Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt
and Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski — are both well known
in the EU as close to Washington. .."
The Swedish and Polish activities may be explained historically.
The ruin of the medieval Swedish domination was related to Ukraine
<http://is.gd/ZjE7xv>. Their politicians are still jealous. Before
that the people of Ukraine were living under Polish rule that ended
up with bloody uprising <http://is.gd/iekYGI>. The well-established
Polish archetypes towards the Ukrainians may be illustrated by this
humor incident <http://en.for-ua.com/news/2012/06/22/112119.html>.
DVH
Feb 4, 2014, 2:43:18 PM2/4/14
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On 04/02/2014 19:16, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> Their politicians are still jealous.
How do you know?
>> Their politicians are still jealous.
Oleg Smirnov
Feb 4, 2014, 2:48:25 PM2/4/14
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DVH, <news:qpbIu.1401$Y17...@fx15.am4>
> On 04/02/2014 19:16, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>>> Their politicians are still jealous.
>
> How do you know?
It is visible.
>
>>> Their politicians are still jealous.
>
> How do you know?
DVH
Feb 4, 2014, 2:57:43 PM2/4/14
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abelard
Feb 4, 2014, 3:47:17 PM2/4/14
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