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Barry Schier

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Oct 25, 2009, 5:55:45 PM10/25/09

President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
Cuba sends a message about what the REAL message that the
Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
relations with Washington." And for more 100 years, the U.S. still
continues its occupation of Cuba territority at Guantanemo Bay.

- Barry Schier

On Oct 25, 12:54 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba
> (AFP) – 5 hours ago
>
> MADRID — US President Barack Obama asked Spain to send a message to Cuba
> urging its president Raul Castro to step up efforts to improve relations
> with Washington, a Madrid newspaper reported Sunday.
>
> "Tell Raul that if he does not take steps, neither can I," Obama told
> Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, according to El
> Pais, which cited a diplomatic source.
>
> "We are making efforts, but if they do not make efforts, it will be very
> difficult for us to continue," said Obama during the meeting on October
> 13 at the White House, the newspaper added.
>
> The message was passed on to Havana the following week by Spanish
> Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos during a visit to Cuba, El Pais
> said.
>
> Since taking office in January, Obama has moved to ease a half-century
> of tension with communist Cuba, such as relaxing rules on visits and
> money transfers to the island.
>
> AFP: Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba: report (25 October 2009)http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jir-zFU9UiMu1gxZgi...

PL

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Oct 25, 2009, 6:55:13 PM10/25/09

Barry Schier wrote:
> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
> Cuba

in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
Raul brought no change?

> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve

> relations with Washington." (snip)

I guess you missed
- the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
- the end to remittances limits
- the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
- easing on payment for food imports

Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -
MiamiHerald.com (13 October 2009)
http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/1279401.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/10/fiber-optic-cable-to-link-key-west-and.html

US treasury ends limit on remittances, opens up financial services
opportunity, Cuba, Banking, news (4 September 2009)
http://www.bnamericas.com/news/banking/US_Treasury_ends_limit_on_remittances,_opens_up_financial_services_opportunity
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/09/us-treasury-ends-limit-on-remittances.html

U.S. Removes Almost All Restrictions on Family Visits to Cuba -
washingtonpost.com (3 September 2009)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR2009090303810.html?wprss=rss_business/government

Provision makes Cuba trade easier | Agweek | Midwest farm news and ranch
news (20 July 2009)
http://www.agweek.com/articles/?id=5090&article_id=14658&property_id=41
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2009/07/provision-makes-cuba-trade-easier.html

Just to show how much Cuba by now depends on the US:

Cuba imports 80% of the food it consumes. The US supplies about a third
of that, more than Cuba produces.

Cuba imports:
- 80% of the overall food consumed
- 84% of the rationed food

That means, by your own calculations, the US supplies more food (25-30%)
to the Cuban people than Cuba's own production does (20%).

A. Cuba imports 80% of the total consumption of food.

Cuban sources:

From Vanguardia.

Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El paï¿½s importa el 80 % de los
alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este
sentido, hecho en el que tambiï¿½n tuvo que ver las pï¿½rdida de 700 mil de
toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.

Vanguardia comenta - Periï¿½dico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
October 2009)
http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc.tpl.html&newsid_obj_id=17631

From invasor.cu

"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prï¿½cticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtiï¿½ el aï¿½o pasado mï¿½s de 2
000 millones de dï¿½lares."

ï¿½Volveremos a los aï¿½os '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morejï¿½n (AIN)
Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90

Who was the author:
http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%3A+ain.cu&btnG=Search&meta=

radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabï¿½o

"Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un paï¿½s
con tierras fï¿½rtiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla
donde hace 50 aï¿½os existe una economï¿½a planificada, quiere decir que
algo ha funcionado mal."

http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresaychocolate.htm

International sources including the WFP:

FOOD DEPENCENCY:

In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
families in the five eastern-most provinces.
In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.

FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/

"These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."

Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/

En 2008 la importaciï¿½n del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costï¿½
a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este aï¿½o las
raciones de frijoles, chiï¿½charos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
Los precios en los mercados agrï¿½colas siguen congelados, nueve meses
despuï¿½s de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiï¿½nico,
dentï¿½frico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
inasequible.

La paradoja econï¿½mica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/

From the WFP:

In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1 percent
in children aged 2-5.

Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide

http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba

Agri-Food
Past, Present & Future Report
Cuba
March 2009

Although Cuba's agriculture sector has traditionally been vital to the
economy with such notable products as sugar, tobacco, citrus products,
and tropical fruits, it now imports approximately 80-85% of its
foodstuff requirements. In 1960, roughly 87% of Cuba's rural
population was engaged in agriculture production, and while about 66%
of the population is still engaged in agriculture, the sector lacks
the
technology and investment needed to significantly modernize
production.
Between the years 2000 and 2006 Cuba's agricultural imports almost
doubled. An estimated 15% of Cuba's total imports are agricultural.

http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm

Havana bling
Rory Carroll
12 April 2008 06:00

The most important change is in agriculture, in which mismanagement
has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and coffee and forced
the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now decision-making has
been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to give farmers more
incentive to produce.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-04-11-havana-bling

Cuba imports approximately 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2
million inhabitants and had planned to spend $2 billion this year even
before the devastation wrought by Gustav and Ike.
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/food-shortages-starting-in-cuba-is-=
the-system-freezing-up/

The island imports 80% of its food, at a cost of $2.5 billion, and its
huge trade deficit has soared this year by 70% to more than $11
billion, according to official figures out this week. That is only
partly covered by the $7.8 billion Cuba receives for "export
services"=97
doctors and sports trainers sent to Venezuela in exchange for oil.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3D12851246

Although Cuba already imports 80 percent of the food that it's 11.2
million residents consume, analysts say the impact of the hurricanes
pushes the island into a crisis during a time of high food prices in
international markets.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=3Dc87faaa=
b5329d7d51fedc165d5b9ad2d

Cuba imports 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2-million
inhabitants, making it highly vulnerable to the commodity price shocks
and foreign currency swings in recent months. Cuba's imports this year
are estimated at $2.5-billion, up 56 percent from last year.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article946886.ece

But overall Cuba is still reliant today on imports for 80% of its
total food consumption, and thus extremely vulnerable to world food
price fluctuations.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/763/39410

IMPORTA 80% DE NECESIDADES
Sector productivo cubano, muerto

En 1958, Cuba producï¿½a casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumï¿½a y era
el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revï¿½s: la
isla
importa mï¿½s del 80% de la cesta bï¿½sica y la mayor parte de los
alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo
decretado en 1962. Actualmente, mï¿½s del 50% de las tierras cultivables
estï¿½n ociosas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389

B. 84% of the rationed food:

From Cubavision:

Agroesperanza.com: Pongamos los pies sobre una buena tierra

"Datos oficiales confirman que Cuba importa hoy el 84 por ciento de los
alimentos destinados a la canasta bï¿½sica, lo que hace imprescindible y
esperanzador el proceso de reconstrucciï¿½n del sistema agrario como
respuesta a la crisis estructural del sistema convencional y a la
necesidad imperiosa de reducir importaciones."

http://www.cubavision.cubaweb.cu/comentarios_detalles.asp?ID=259

From Granma:

Necesita economï¿½a cubana aumentar
producciï¿½n de alimentos

CAMAGï¿½EY.- La economï¿½a cubana necesita del incremento de la producciï¿½n
domï¿½stica de alimentos, a fin de reducir la dependencia del mercado
internacional. Ese constituye uno de los objetivos principales en el 2007.

Asï¿½ seï¿½alï¿½ en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de Economï¿½a y
Planificaciï¿½n, durante una sesiï¿½n de la Asamblea Provincial del Poder
Popular.

El paï¿½s importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
canasta bï¿½sica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dï¿½lares, y es
junto al petrï¿½leo el desembolso fundamental.

La funcionaria mencionï¿½ tambiï¿½n entre los propï¿½sitos de la economï¿½a el
aumento de las exportaciones y de la eficiencia en el sector del turismo.

Se refiriï¿½, ademï¿½s, a la necesidad de elevar la efectividad del proceso
inversionista y mejorar la calidad de los servicios y la alimentaciï¿½n
del pueblo.

Precisï¿½ como una de las misiones esenciales el cumplimiento de las
obligaciones de pago de Cuba, y mencionï¿½ las contraï¿½das en la
adquisiciï¿½n de equipos para la generaciï¿½n elï¿½ctrica y los dirigidos a
centros asistenciales de salud y al bienestar de la familia cubana. (AIN)

http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2007/02/26/nacional/artic02.html

> On Oct 25, 12:54 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba

>> (AFP) ï¿½ 5 hours ago
>>
>> MADRID ï¿½ US President Barack Obama asked Spain to send a message to Cuba

ljsprojects

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Oct 25, 2009, 8:15:47 PM10/25/09

On Oct 25, 4:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Barry Schier wrote:
> > President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
> > Cuba
>
> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
> Raul brought no change?
>
> > sends a message about what the REAL message that the
> > Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
> > Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
> > relations with Washington." (snip)
>
> I guess you missed
> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
> - the end to remittances limits
> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
> - easing on payment for food imports
>
> Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -

> MiamiHerald.com (13 October 2009)http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/1279401.htmlhttp://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/10/fiber-optic-cable-to-link-key-we...

>
> US treasury ends limit on remittances, opens up financial services

> opportunity, Cuba, Banking, news (4 September 2009)http://www.bnamericas.com/news/banking/US_Treasury_ends_limit_on_remi...http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/09/us-treasury-ends-limit-on-remitt...

>
> U.S. Removes Almost All Restrictions on Family Visits to Cuba -

> washingtonpost.com (3 September 2009)http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR200...

>
> Provision makes Cuba trade easier | Agweek | Midwest farm news and ranch

> news (20 July 2009)http://www.agweek.com/articles/?id=5090&article_id=14658&property_id=41http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2009/07/provision-makes-cuba-trade-easi...

>
> Just to show how much Cuba by now depends on the US:
>
> Cuba imports 80% of the food it consumes. The US supplies about a third
> of that, more than Cuba produces.
>
> Cuba imports:
> - 80% of the overall food consumed
> - 84% of the rationed food
>
> That means, by your own calculations, the US supplies more food (25-30%)
> to the Cuban people than Cuba's own production does (20%).
>
> A. Cuba imports 80% of the total consumption of food.
>
> Cuban sources:
>
> From Vanguardia.
>

> Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El país importa el 80 % de los

> alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

> sentido, hecho en el que también tuvo que ver las pérdida de 700 mil de

> toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.
>

> Vanguardia comenta - Periódico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
> October 2009)http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc...
>
> From invasor.cu
>
> "Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prácticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
> los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtió el año pasado más de 2
> 000 millones de dólares."
>
> ¿Volveremos a los años '90?
> Por Magaly Zamora Morejón (AIN)
> Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-ano...
>
> Who was the author:http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%...
>
> radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabío
>
> "Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un país
> con tierras fértiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla
> donde hace 50 años existe una economía planificada, quiere decir que
> algo ha funcionado mal."
>
> http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresayc...

>
> International sources including the WFP:
>
> FOOD DEPENCENCY:
>
> In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
> Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
> more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
> United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
> families in the five eastern-most provinces.
> In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
> other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
> key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
> subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
> food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
> A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.
>

> FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdadhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/

>
> "These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
> food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
> and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."
>

> Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdadhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisi...
>
> En 2008 la importación del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costó
> a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este año las
> raciones de frijoles, chicharos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
> Los precios en los mercados agrícolas siguen congelados, nueve meses
> después de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
> divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiénico,
> dentífrico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
> inasequible.
>
> La paradoja económica cubana | Cubaverdadhttp://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/

>
> From the WFP:
>
> In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
> is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
> of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
> eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1 percent
> in children aged 2-5.
>
> Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
> the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
> Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
>

> http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-contr...

>
> Agri-Food
> Past, Present & Future Report
> Cuba
> March 2009
>
> Although Cuba's agriculture sector has traditionally been vital to the
> economy with such notable products as sugar, tobacco, citrus products,
> and tropical fruits, it now imports approximately 80-85% of its
> foodstuff requirements. In 1960, roughly 87% of Cuba's rural
> population was engaged in agriculture production, and while about 66%
> of the population is still engaged in agriculture, the sector lacks
> the
> technology and investment needed to significantly modernize
> production.
> Between the years 2000 and 2006 Cuba's agricultural imports almost
> doubled. An estimated 15% of Cuba's total imports are agricultural.
>
> http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm
>
> Havana bling
> Rory Carroll
> 12 April 2008 06:00
>
> The most important change is in agriculture, in which mismanagement
> has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and coffee and forced
> the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now decision-making has
> been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to give farmers more

> incentive to produce.http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-04-11-havana-bling

>
> Cuba imports approximately 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2
> million inhabitants and had planned to spend $2 billion this year even

> before the devastation wrought by Gustav and Ike.http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/food-shortages-starting-in-cu...

> the-system-freezing-up/
>
> The island imports 80% of its food, at a cost of $2.5 billion, and its
> huge trade deficit has soared this year by 70% to more than $11
> billion, according to official figures out this week. That is only
> partly covered by the $7.8 billion Cuba receives for "export
> services"=97

> doctors and sports trainers sent to Venezuela in exchange for oil.http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3D12851246

>
> Although Cuba already imports 80 percent of the food that it's 11.2
> million residents consume, analysts say the impact of the hurricanes
> pushes the island into a crisis during a time of high food prices in

> international markets.http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=3Dc...

> b5329d7d51fedc165d5b9ad2d
>
> Cuba imports 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2-million
> inhabitants, making it highly vulnerable to the commodity price shocks
> and foreign currency swings in recent months. Cuba's imports this year

> are estimated at $2.5-billion, up 56 percent from last year.http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article946886.ece

>
> But overall Cuba is still reliant today on imports for 80% of its
> total food consumption, and thus extremely vulnerable to world food

> price fluctuations.http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/763/39410

>
> IMPORTA 80% DE NECESIDADES
> Sector productivo cubano, muerto
>

> En 1958, Cuba producía casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumía y era
> el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revés: la
> isla
> importa más del 80% de la cesta básica y la mayor parte de los

> alimentos
> viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo

> decretado en 1962. Actualmente, más del 50% de las tierras cultivables
> están ociosas.

>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389
>
> B. 84% of the rationed food:
>
> From Cubavision:
>
> Agroesperanza.com: Pongamos los pies sobre una buena tierra
>
> "Datos oficiales confirman que Cuba importa hoy el 84 por ciento de los

> alimentos destinados a la canasta básica, lo que hace imprescindible y
> esperanzador el proceso de reconstrucción del sistema agrario como

> respuesta a la crisis estructural del sistema convencional y a la
> necesidad imperiosa de reducir importaciones."
>
> http://www.cubavision.cubaweb.cu/comentarios_detalles.asp?ID=259
>
> From Granma:
>

> Necesita economía cubana aumentar
> producción de alimentos
>
> CAMAGÕEY.- La economía cubana necesita del incremento de la producción
> doméstica de alimentos, a fin de reducir la dependencia del mercado

> internacional. Ese constituye uno de los objetivos principales en el 2007.
>

> Así señaló en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de Economía y
> Planificación, durante una sesión de la Asamblea Provincial del Poder
> Popular.
>
> El país importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
> canasta básica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dólares, y es
> junto al petróleo el desembolso fundamental.
>
> La funcionaria mencionó también entre los propósitos de la economía el

> aumento de las exportaciones y de la eficiencia en el sector del turismo.
>

> Se refirió, además, a la necesidad de elevar la efectividad del proceso
> inversionista y mejorar la calidad de los servicios y la alimentación
> del pueblo.
>
> Precisó como una de las misiones esenciales el cumplimiento de las
> obligaciones de pago de Cuba, y mencionó las contraídas en la
> adquisición de equipos para la generación eléctrica y los dirigidos a

> centros asistenciales de salud y al bienestar de la familia cubana. (AIN)
>
> http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2007/02/26/nacional/artic02.html
>
> PL> On Oct 25, 12:54 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba

> >> (AFP) – 5 hours ago
>
> >> MADRID — US President Barack Obama asked Spain to send a message to Cuba

> >> urging its president Raul Castro to step up efforts to improve relations
> >> with Washington, a Madrid newspaper reported Sunday.
>
> >> "Tell Raul that if he does not take steps, neither can I," Obama told
> >> Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, according to El
> >> Pais, which cited a diplomatic source.
>
> >> "We are making efforts, but if they do not make efforts, it will be very
> >> difficult for us to continue," said Obama during the meeting on October
> >> 13 at the White House, the newspaper added.
>
> >> The message was passed on to Havana the following week by Spanish
> >> Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos during a visit to Cuba, El Pais
> >> said.
>
> >> Since taking office in January, Obama has moved to ease a half-century
> >> of tension with communist Cuba, such as relaxing rules on visits and
> >> money transfers to the island.
>
> >> AFP: Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba: report (25 October 2009)http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jir-zFU9UiMu1gxZgi...

¿Por qué no te callas?, aquí el úncio que te lee soy yo y no te creo
nada,

T.Schmidt
P.S. Los subhumanos nunca han sido apreciados por la gente. Lo mas que
puedes esperar es lástima.

ljsprojects

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Oct 25, 2009, 8:18:54 PM10/25/09

> > AFP: Obama asks Spain to pass message to Cuba: report (25 October 2009)http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jir-zFU9UiMu1gxZgi...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Obama parece que va a cumplir lo que prometió y quizá hasta mas. Los
gusanos deben estar rabiando. Creo que Fidel está contneto, pero no
he visto su reacción. Desde que cayó Bush y sus amigos los gusanos
están perdiendo terreno.

T.Schmidt

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 3:57:53 AM10/26/09

Nada sobre el tema, nada mas que abusos y insultos, como siempre.

Quien es este T.Schmidt aka "Herr SSchmidt" aka "Señor Pipí"?
Por que llama a la gente "subhumano"?

T.Schmidt insulta a la gente porqrue no le gusta que le ridiculizan y
muestran que pendejo racista antisemita es.

Schmidt: acostúmbrate idiota a ver cada vez que insultas o abusas la
verdad sobre ti. Le gente tiene derecho a saber quien tu eres viejo racista.

Sabemos que eres un "wanabe aleman" quien suena de ser de la raza aria.
No sea cobarde y acepta la responsabilidad por tus acciones pobre
"wanabe" racista.

Nota: wannabe (plural wannabes)
"alguien que desea ser o hacer algo, pero carece las calificaciones o el
talento; un aficionado muy vehemente"
"someone who wishes to be or do something, but lacks the qualifications
or talent; an overeager amateur"
wannabe - Wiktionary
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wannabe

Tu actitud racista, antisemita y anti homosexual hoy en día es muy claro.
Tus palabras lo muestran muy claramente.
Eres un "wannabe" (alguien quien no es pero quiere estar) queriendo
desesperadamente ser "arian" y "alemán".
Estos "wannabes" son los mas peligrosos y los mas extremistas.
Eres el "baboso" detrás de lo que nunca vas a ser.
Estos son los mas asquerosos.
Tu eres el ejemplo perfecto de eso.
No hablas la idioma. Naciste lejos de la "patria". Claramente no eres
"puro" de raza según tus criterios (a mi no me importa), lo que tu
querías ser con todo tu alma. Por eso pasas tanto esfuerzo para pasar
como "bien arian alemán".
Hasta sobre tu sexualidad uno puede dudar después de todas tus fantasías
homo-eróticas.
En verdad eres un "callejero". El "ratóncito seguidor".
Por eso das asco y pena, Teddy Schmidt.

La opinion de una Alemana sobre Herr SSchmidt.

"Ohhhhh!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! Sie sind eine echte Ratte Neonazi-Sohn
einer Hure"

Traducido: ¡Ohhhhh!!! ¡Ha, ha, ha, ha!!! ¡Usted es una rata neo nazi
verdadero hijo de puta!
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.colombia/msg/96531063dbc5f272?hl=nl

Y eso lo duel a Teddy Schmidt y le da rabia que alguien lo dice.

RACISMO y ANTISEMITISMO:

Sobre raza:

"La diferencia está en la raza. Los cerebros Aryan de los blancos son
sumamente superiores."

Original (con enlace)
"The difference is in the race. Aryan whites brains are vastly
superior."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/3d822a791ab38c57?dmode=source

Antisemitismo:

- El consejo de su padre a Herr SSchmidt:
"Mi papá me dijo que los judíos eran traidores, aunque en
Colombia vivímos rodeados de judíos. Yo aprendí mi lección y me fue
perfecto."
TIMES OF CRISIS (Spieguel Online ad Reuters International) -
soc.culture.argentina | Google Groups
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.argentina/browse_thread/thread/c277445ecfedf4b5/e92deb9eb43d17be?hl=en&q=%22Mi+pap%C3%A1+me+dijo+que+los+jud%C3%ADos+eran+traidores%22&lnk=ol&

- "Desde 1945 los judíos se han vuelto expertos en crear
hoaxes [hoax = engaño]."
CASO DE ESPIONAJE NUCLEAR INVOLUCRARIA A UN ARGENTINO...:( -
soc.culture.colombia | Google
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.colombia/browse_thread/thread/fb69a18d000165fc/e57fb14e01c0d01e?hl=nl&lnk=gst&q=hoax+judios#e57fb14e01c0d01e

Negationismo:

"Muchos judíos se salvaron exiliándose voluntariamente. Las cifras que
dan parecen no tener bases rigurosas."
Para nazis - soc.culture.colombia | Google
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.colombia/browse_thread/thread/4449a3a8ece95f43/0d3b39cd54f56c8c?hl=nl&lnk=gst&q=hoax+judios#0d3b39cd54f56c8c

La inspiración Nazi de su racismo:

- "Alemania esta por encima del mundo, acostumbrate a la idea, subhumano"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3b4a16af18dfef57?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3D
- "Y la superioridad de los alemanes es una verdad absoluta,
comprobada a traves de los milenios.."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/9ef0f67bfbf2d3d9?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den

Herr SSchmidt sobre sus héroes nazi:
- "Mi amigo Goebbels era el único nazi suficientemente inteligente para
ser capaza de sacar un PhD. Por eso se suicidó, al darse cuenta que
había echado a perder su vida. ."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3bbd0cbdb2e40c78?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
- "sin duda Goebbels era un genio"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/084ceb78819bb2cb?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den

Por eso Herr SSchmidt llama "subhumano" a otras personas, especialmente
si piensa que la persona puede ser judío.

Untermensch (en alemán "sub-hombre" o "sub-humano") es un término
empleado por la ideología nazi para referirse a lo que esta ideología
consideraba "personas inferiores", particularmente a "las masas del
Este", es decir, judíos, gitanos, eslavos, bolcheviques soviéticos o
cualquier otra persona que no perteneciese a la "raza aria".

Untermensch - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch

HOMOSEXUALES

De sus ejemplos "arios" tiene tambien su desprecio de homosexuales:
- "La homosexualidad es una enfermedad que se controla con la religión."
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.spain/msg/a119d00bdad7d04f?hl=nl
- "Lo que deben hacer es construir hospitales, campos de
concentración o cárceles, donde los gay puedan recibir tratamiento. Y
esperar a que se mueran. A los que no se puedan morir se les puede
inyectar AIDS."
Condenan a muerte a tres por protestar - soc.culture.venezuela
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.venezuela/browse_thread/thread/72ad8a7571b5add0/daf6a9654879d575?hl=nl&lnk=gst&q=campos+de+concentracion#daf6a9654879d575

ODIO DE PERSONAS DE OTRAS RAZAS:

Su desprecio de latinos es claro:
- "Los cubanos son malos y ahora me doy cuenta que ni para reparar
paredes sirven"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/aeaf5dd944b853e5?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
- " Posiblemente los cubanos ademas de malos, son brutos. Y porque
estan en la isla no se ven mejor que los que estan por fuera."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/7009dad31c3a3086?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den

Su odio de pueblos no germánicos en Europa:
- "Los polacos tienen fama en Europa de ser un poco brutos, quien sabe
que metida de pata habran cometido. Tambien es posible que Fidel haya
escogido alos que consider menos inteligentes para hacerles pasar un
mal rato. Con alemanes no se hubiearn atrevido."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/6c8ab95ab2dd9749?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den

"Deutschland uber Alles" no, Herr SSchmidt?

CREDIBILIDAD

"Teddy Schmidt" aka "Herr SSchmidt", racista y antisemita aka "Señor
Pipí" sobre su credibilidad: (sus palabras)
- "soy viejo y me gusta decir mentiras"
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/7efb857d232a3ec8?hl=nl
- "Y ya he dicho como cien veces que chequeen lo que digo, que no
siempre la verdad es lo que digo"
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2532e3cde9b17e51?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
- "Tambien es bueno que recuerden que no soy un servicio informativo,
lo que digo a veces es mentira, por eso tienen que verificar."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/fabb58173745a32e?dmode=3Dsource
- "Mentiroso soy a veces, pero es facil descubrirme"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8a4fde90c34ba79b?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den

Fred Williams

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Oct 26, 2009, 7:58:46 AM10/26/09

PL wrote:

> Barry Schier wrote:
>> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
>> Cuba
>
> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you
> mean? Raul brought no change?
>

There are no human rights abuses in Cuba, *except at the U.S. base in
Guantanamo, of course. *THAT'S* where there is torture!

--
Regards,
Fred
(remove FFFf from my email address to reply by email)

Dan Christensen

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Oct 26, 2009, 10:50:07 AM10/26/09

On Oct 25, 6:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Barry Schier wrote:
> > President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
> > Cuba
>
> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
> Raul brought no change?
>
> > sends a message about what the REAL message that the
> > Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
> > Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
> > relations with Washington." (snip)
>
> I guess you missed
> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
> - the end to remittances limits
> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
> - easing on payment for food imports
>

Already debunked here. Not even Amnesty International is buying into
your self-serving bullshit. See the recent thread, "Latest UN
Resolution condemning US embargo -- Cuba's report."

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny.cc/CubaFAQ
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 10:55:25 AM10/26/09

Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Oct 25, 6:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Barry Schier wrote:
>>> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
>>> Cuba
>> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
>> Raul brought no change?
>>
>>> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
>>> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
>>> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
>>> relations with Washington." (snip)
>> I guess you missed
>> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
>> - the end to remittances limits
>> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
>> - easing on payment for food imports
>>
>
> Already debunked here.

Nothing "debunked", Dan Christensen.
Just snipped as usual.

The facts Dan Christensen - Mr. Snip, lie, insult and run of SCC - snipped.

Please make a fool of yourself again by tring to refute any of this.

I guess you missed
- the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
- the end to remittances limits
- the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
- easing on payment for food imports

Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -

Cuban sources:

From Vanguardia.

Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El pa�s importa el 80 % de los

alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

sentido, hecho en el que tambi�n tuvo que ver las p�rdida de 700 mil de

toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.

Vanguardia comenta - Peri�dico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
October 2009)
http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc.tpl.html&newsid_obj_id=17631

From invasor.cu

"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba pr�cticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirti� el a�o pasado m�s de 2
000 millones de d�lares."

�Volveremos a los a�os '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morej�n (AIN)

Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90

Who was the author:
http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%3A+ain.cu&btnG=Search&meta=

radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tab�o

"Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un pa�s
con tierras f�rtiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla
donde hace 50 a�os existe una econom�a planificada, quiere decir que
algo ha funcionado mal."

http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresaychocolate.htm

International sources including the WFP:

FOOD DEPENCENCY:

FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/

Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/

En 2008 la importaci�n del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le cost�
a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este a�o las
raciones de frijoles, chi�charos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
Los precios en los mercados agr�colas siguen congelados, nueve meses
despu�s de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higi�nico,
dent�frico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
inasequible.

La paradoja econ�mica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/

From the WFP:

http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba

http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm

En 1958, Cuba produc�a casi el 80% de los alimentos que consum�a y era
el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al rev�s: la
isla
importa m�s del 80% de la cesta b�sica y la mayor parte de los

alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo

decretado en 1962. Actualmente, m�s del 50% de las tierras cultivables
est�n ociosas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389

B. 84% of the rationed food:

From Cubavision:

Agroesperanza.com: Pongamos los pies sobre una buena tierra

"Datos oficiales confirman que Cuba importa hoy el 84 por ciento de los

alimentos destinados a la canasta b�sica, lo que hace imprescindible y
esperanzador el proceso de reconstrucci�n del sistema agrario como

respuesta a la crisis estructural del sistema convencional y a la
necesidad imperiosa de reducir importaciones."

http://www.cubavision.cubaweb.cu/comentarios_detalles.asp?ID=259

From Granma:

Necesita econom�a cubana aumentar
producci�n de alimentos

CAMAG�EY.- La econom�a cubana necesita del incremento de la producci�n
dom�stica de alimentos, a fin de reducir la dependencia del mercado

internacional. Ese constituye uno de los objetivos principales en el 2007.

As� se�al� en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de Econom�a y
Planificaci�n, durante una sesi�n de la Asamblea Provincial del Poder
Popular.

El pa�s importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
canasta b�sica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de d�lares, y es
junto al petr�leo el desembolso fundamental.

La funcionaria mencion� tambi�n entre los prop�sitos de la econom�a el

aumento de las exportaciones y de la eficiencia en el sector del turismo.

Se refiri�, adem�s, a la necesidad de elevar la efectividad del proceso
inversionista y mejorar la calidad de los servicios y la alimentaci�n
del pueblo.

Precis� como una de las misiones esenciales el cumplimiento de las
obligaciones de pago de Cuba, y mencion� las contra�das en la
adquisici�n de equipos para la generaci�n el�ctrica y los dirigidos a

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 11:19:18 AM10/26/09

CONFIRMACIÓN DE LA CASA BLANCA
Obama pidió a Zapatero que Moratinos trasladase un mensaje de apertura a
Cuba
MADRID, 26 Oct. (EUROPA PRESS) -

Durante la reunión mantenida el pasado 13 de octubre en la Casa
Blanca, el presidente de Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, pidió al
presidente del Gobierno español, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, que
trasladase al régimen cubano la necesidad de que emprenda reformas y
amplíe los Derechos Humanos en la isla, según confirmó este domingo a
Reuters un alto cargo de la Administración norteamericana.

La petición se realizó seis días antes de que el ministro de Asuntos
Exteriores español, Miguel Ángel Moratinos, realizase un viaje oficial a
Cuba en el que se reunió con el presidente cubano, Raúl Castro.

"Cuando supo que el ministro Moratinos iba a viajar a La Habana, le
sugirió que instase al régimen de Castro a que realice reformas y amplíe
los Derechos Humanos", indicó la fuente de la Casa Blanca, bajo
condición de anonimato.

En un comunicado, la Plataforma Internacional Cuba Democracia Ya
criticó este domingo a Moratinos por dar "un segundo desplante a los
defensores de los derechos humanos" en Cuba, con los que no se reunió
durante su visita a la isla los pasados días 17 y 18 de octubre.

Moratinos, que se reunió con Raúl Castro y con su homólogo cubano,
Bruno Fernández, no se entrevistó en cambio con ningún representante de
la disidencia en la isla, como tampoco hizo en su primer viaje a la
isla, en abril de 2007.

El jefe de la diplomacia española justificó, ya de regreso a Madrid,
que no se reunió con nadie de la disidencia porque el "objetivo" de la
visita era abordar "las relaciones con las autoridades cubanas".

El presidente de Cuba Democracia Ya, Rigoberto Carceller, también
criticó duramente a Obama en el comunicado, al considerar que su
"encanto" no es "letal, o antídoto, frente a una dictadura que ha visto
desfilar a muchos presidentes americanos de todas las tendencias" a
pesar de la decisión de Obama de levantar las restricciones de viaje y
envío de remesas a los cubanos en territorio estadounidense.

"Los cubanos no quieren mirar atrás, estamos hartos de esperar a la
bella durmiente y su príncipe encantado", lamentó el presidente de la
organización. "Basta de oxígeno con la dictadura cubana y de
entretenimientos, quienes no estén dispuestos a hacer prevalecer el
respeto a los derechos humanos mejor que se aparten de esta complicada
causa", concluyó.

Al asumir su cargo, Obama se comprometió a reiniciar las relaciones
con Cuba como parte de un acercamiento hacia los países de América
Latina y el Caribe. Para ello, ha levantado las restricciones en los
viajes a la isla, ha permitido el envío de remesas y ha reiniciado las
conversaciones en materia de inmigración, lo que podría resucitar el
servicio postal directo entre ambos países, suspendido desde 1963.

Obama pidió a Zapatero que Moratinos trasladase un mensaje de apertura a
Cuba. europapress.es (26 October 2009)
http://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-estados-unidos-confirma-obama-pidio-zapatero-moratinos-trasladase-mensaje-apertura-cuba-20091026014445.html

Fred Williams

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Oct 26, 2009, 11:42:52 AM10/26/09

PL wrote:

> Dan Christensen wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 6:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>>> Barry Schier wrote:
>>>> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
>>>> Cuba
>>> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you
>>> mean? Raul brought no change?
>>>
>>>> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
>>>> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
>>>> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
>>>> relations with Washington." (snip)
>>> I guess you missed
>>> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
>>> - the end to remittances limits
>>> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
>>> - easing on payment for food imports
>>>
>>
>> Already debunked here.
>
> Nothing "debunked", Dan Christensen.
> Just snipped as usual.
>

He has debunked you many times, PL, and so have many others.

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 11:48:54 AM10/26/09

Nope, never.
But Fred, why don't you show us how and when your political pal has
"debunked" any of this.
I am sure people are very interested in it.
You are such a joke.

I guess you missed
- the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
- the end to remittances limits
- the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
- easing on payment for food imports

Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -

Dan Christensen

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Oct 26, 2009, 1:36:13 PM10/26/09

On Oct 26, 9:55 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> Dan Christensen wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 6:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >> Barry Schier wrote:
> >>> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
> >>> Cuba
> >> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
> >> Raul brought no change?
>
> >>> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
> >>> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
> >>> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
> >>> relations with Washington." (snip)
> >> I guess you missed
> >> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
> >> - the end to remittances limits
> >> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
> >> - easing on payment for food imports
>
> > Already debunked here.
>
> Nothing "debunked", Dan Christensen.
> Just snipped as usual.
>
> The facts Dan Christensen - Mr. Snip, lie, insult and run of SCC - snipped.
>

Please make a fool of yourself by denying AI recent condemnation of of
your beloved embargo. They are aren't buying into your self-serving
ratioanalizations. Why should we?

The facts as documented in reports recently released by Amnesty
International (my emphasis):

September 2009

"The US embargo against Cuba is IMMORAL and should be lifted. It’s
preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and
medical equipment essential for their health."

"Because of the US embargo, Cuba faces SEVERE RESTRICTIONS in
importing medicines, medical equipment or technologies from the USA or
from any US company abroad. The sanctions also limit other imports to
the island and restrict travel and the transfer of money."

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/president-obama-should-take-lead-lifting-embargo-against-cuba-20090902

"Amnesty International calls on the US Congress to take, WITHOUT
FURTHER DELAY, the necessary steps towards lifting the economic,
financial and trade embargo against Cuba...

"[E]xports of food and agricultural products to Cuba remain regulated
by the Department of Commerce and require a licence for export or re-
export. The export of medicines and medical supplies continues to be
SEVERELY LIMITED....

“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”

"The impact of economic sanctions on health and health services is not
limited to difficulties in the supply of medicine. Health and health
services depend on functioning water and sanitation infrastructure, on
electricity and other functioning equipment such as X-ray facilities
or refrigerators to store vaccines. The financial burden and
commercial barriers have led to shortages or intermittent availability
of drugs, medicines, equipment and spare parts. It has also hindered
the renovation of hospitals, clinics and care centres for the
elderly."

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/540b61a6-d0ec-493b-84c4-372a0b3c5067/amr250072009en.html

Please also make a fool of yourself by AGAIN snipping and running away
in terror from this simple, straightforward question:

What purpose, other than killing people, is served by sanctions that
deprive a nation of vital access to medicines, new scientific and
medical technology, food, chemical water treatment and electricity?

Again, for further discussion, see the recent thread, Latest UN

Resolution condemning US embargo -- Cuba's report."

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny.cc/CubaFAQ

(Note new address. Please update bookmarks and links.)

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 1:48:20 PM10/26/09

Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Oct 26, 9:55 am, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Dan Christensen wrote:
>>> On Oct 25, 6:55 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>>>> Barry Schier wrote:
>>>>> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
>>>>> Cuba
>>>> in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you mean?
>>>> Raul brought no change?
>>>>> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
>>>>> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
>>>>> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
>>>>> relations with Washington." (snip)
>>>> I guess you missed
>>>> - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
>>>> - the end to remittances limits
>>>> - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
>>>> - easing on payment for food imports
>>> Already debunked here.
>> Nothing "debunked", Dan Christensen.
>> Just snipped as usual.
>>
>> The facts Dan Christensen - Mr. Snip, lie, insult and run of SCC - snipped.
>>

Notice how (predictably) Dan Christensen snipped all and tries
desperately to change the subject.

> Please make a fool of yourself

(snip)

Thanks for confirming what I said, Dan Christensen.
You never "debunked" any of this so you snip, lie, insult and run.
Thanks for showing all I was right.

What desperate Dan Christensen snipped for obvious reasons as attempting
to address it would just show what a lair hes.
Be ready for a lot more of "snipping and running" with lots of attempts
of changing the subject and diverting your attentions.
that is this cowardly Castro lobbyist standard practice.

Please make a fool of yourself again by trying to refute any of this.
You claimed you had, so now put up or shut up Mr. Lobbyist.

I guess you missed
- the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
- the end to remittances limits
- the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
- easing on payment for food imports

Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -

Cuban sources:

From Vanguardia.

Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El paï¿½s importa el 80 % de los

alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

sentido, hecho en el que tambiï¿½n tuvo que ver las pï¿½rdida de 700 mil de

toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.

Vanguardia comenta - Periï¿½dico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
October 2009)
http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc.tpl.html&newsid_obj_id=17631

From invasor.cu

"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prï¿½cticamente importa el 80 por ciento de

los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtiï¿½ el aï¿½o pasado mï¿½s de 2
000 millones de dï¿½lares."

ï¿½Volveremos a los aï¿½os '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morejï¿½n (AIN)

Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90

Who was the author:
http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%3A+ain.cu&btnG=Search&meta=

radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabï¿½o

"Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un paï¿½s
con tierras fï¿½rtiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla

donde hace 50 aï¿½os existe una economï¿½a planificada, quiere decir que
algo ha funcionado mal."

http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresaychocolate.htm

International sources including the WFP:

FOOD DEPENCENCY:

FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/

Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/

La paradoja econï¿½mica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/

From the WFP:

http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba

http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm

En 1958, Cuba producï¿½a casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumï¿½a y era

el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revï¿½s: la
isla

importa mï¿½s del 80% de la cesta bï¿½sica y la mayor parte de los

alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo

decretado en 1962. Actualmente, mï¿½s del 50% de las tierras cultivables
estï¿½n ociosas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389

B. 84% of the rationed food:

From Cubavision:

Agroesperanza.com: Pongamos los pies sobre una buena tierra

"Datos oficiales confirman que Cuba importa hoy el 84 por ciento de los

alimentos destinados a la canasta bï¿½sica, lo que hace imprescindible y
esperanzador el proceso de reconstrucciï¿½n del sistema agrario como

respuesta a la crisis estructural del sistema convencional y a la
necesidad imperiosa de reducir importaciones."

http://www.cubavision.cubaweb.cu/comentarios_detalles.asp?ID=259

From Granma:

Necesita economï¿½a cubana aumentar
producciï¿½n de alimentos

CAMAGï¿½EY.- La economï¿½a cubana necesita del incremento de la producciï¿½n
domï¿½stica de alimentos, a fin de reducir la dependencia del mercado

internacional. Ese constituye uno de los objetivos principales en el 2007.

Asï¿½ seï¿½alï¿½ en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de Economï¿½a y
Planificaciï¿½n, durante una sesiï¿½n de la Asamblea Provincial del Poder
Popular.

El paï¿½s importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la

canasta bï¿½sica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dï¿½lares, y es
junto al petrï¿½leo el desembolso fundamental.

La funcionaria mencionï¿½ tambiï¿½n entre los propï¿½sitos de la economï¿½a el

aumento de las exportaciones y de la eficiencia en el sector del turismo.

Se refiriï¿½, ademï¿½s, a la necesidad de elevar la efectividad del proceso

inversionista y mejorar la calidad de los servicios y la alimentaciï¿½n
del pueblo.

Precisï¿½ como una de las misiones esenciales el cumplimiento de las
obligaciones de pago de Cuba, y mencionï¿½ las contraï¿½das en la

adquisiciï¿½n de equipos para la generaciï¿½n elï¿½ctrica y los dirigidos a

Dan Christensen

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Oct 26, 2009, 2:51:43 PM10/26/09

No change of subject, Mr. Lobbyist. You misleadingly suggested that
recent "changes" you list by the US regime were somehow a fundamental
change in direction, actually trying, I guess, to PRESERVE the status
quo in doing so. Make small, meaningless changes to avoid big ones,
right, Mr. Lobbyist? Not even Amnesty International is buying into
your self-serving rationalizations, however. That's gotta hurt!

As Barry pointed out, Obama's real intentions were shown when he
deliberately extended these cruel and inhumane sanctions of yours some
weeks ago. I'm sure the champagne corks were popping all over Miami!

And as predicted, the cowardly hypocrite, PL, snipped and ran away in

terror from this simple, straightforward question:

Again, for further discussion on this topic, see the recent thread,

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 8:07:59 PM10/26/09

(snip)

Yes, change of subject as anyone can see.

Thanks for confirming what I said, Dan Christensen.
You never "debunked" any of this so you snip, lie, insult and run.
Thanks for showing all I was right.

Please make a fool of yourself again by trying to refute any of this.
You claimed you had, so now put up or shut up Mr. Lobbyist.

I guess you missed

- the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
- the end to remittances limits
- the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
- easing on payment for food imports

Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -

Cuban sources:

From Vanguardia.

Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El país importa el 80 % de los

alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

sentido, hecho en el que también tuvo que ver las pérdida de 700 mil de

toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.

Vanguardia comenta - Periódico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
October 2009)
http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc.tpl.html&newsid_obj_id=17631

From invasor.cu

"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prácticamente importa el 80 por ciento de

los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtió el año pasado más de 2
000 millones de dólares."

¿Volveremos a los años '90?

Por Magaly Zamora Morejón (AIN)

Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90

Who was the author:
http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%3A+ain.cu&btnG=Search&meta=

radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabío

"Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un país
con tierras fértiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla
donde hace 50 años existe una economía planificada, quiere decir que
algo ha funcionado mal."

http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresaychocolate.htm

International sources including the WFP:

FOOD DEPENCENCY:

FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/

Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/

En 2008 la importación del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costó

a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este año las
raciones de frijoles, chicharos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
Los precios en los mercados agrícolas siguen congelados, nueve meses

después de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiénico,
dentífrico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
inasequible.

La paradoja económica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/

From the WFP:

http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba

http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm

En 1958, Cuba producía casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumía y era

el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revés: la
isla

importa más del 80% de la cesta básica y la mayor parte de los

alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo

decretado en 1962. Actualmente, más del 50% de las tierras cultivables
están ociosas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389

B. 84% of the rationed food:

From Cubavision:

Agroesperanza.com: Pongamos los pies sobre una buena tierra

"Datos oficiales confirman que Cuba importa hoy el 84 por ciento de los

alimentos destinados a la canasta básica, lo que hace imprescindible y
esperanzador el proceso de reconstrucción del sistema agrario como

respuesta a la crisis estructural del sistema convencional y a la
necesidad imperiosa de reducir importaciones."

http://www.cubavision.cubaweb.cu/comentarios_detalles.asp?ID=259

From Granma:

Necesita economía cubana aumentar
producción de alimentos

CAMAGÕEY.- La economía cubana necesita del incremento de la producción
doméstica de alimentos, a fin de reducir la dependencia del mercado

internacional. Ese constituye uno de los objetivos principales en el 2007.

Así señaló en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de Economía y
Planificación, durante una sesión de la Asamblea Provincial del Poder
Popular.

El país importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la

canasta básica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dólares, y es
junto al petróleo el desembolso fundamental.

La funcionaria mencionó también entre los propósitos de la economía el

aumento de las exportaciones y de la eficiencia en el sector del turismo.

Se refirió, además, a la necesidad de elevar la efectividad del proceso

inversionista y mejorar la calidad de los servicios y la alimentación
del pueblo.

Precisó como una de las misiones esenciales el cumplimiento de las
obligaciones de pago de Cuba, y mencionó las contraídas en la

adquisición de equipos para la generación eléctrica y los dirigidos a

centros asistenciales de salud y al bienestar de la familia cubana. (AIN)

http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2007/02/26/nacional/artic02.html

THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S LIES AND PERSONAL INSULTS.
(posted every time in reply to Dan Christensen venomous lies about me)

again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.

Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.

Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.

Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.

You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.

Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again

Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:

For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414

To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda

Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleazy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource

The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.

as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.

The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.

Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.

Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8

Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.

Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.

- Frustration

I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
............................................................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.

I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.

Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den

Mr. Smith's own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)

What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB

where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.

Quote:

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote

- Dogmatic hatred.

Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").

- Personal hate and the "rat pack"

Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.

But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.

"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla

ljsprojects

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Oct 26, 2009, 8:25:08 PM10/26/09

Paul Lamot is homosexual, now he fell in love with Dan.

T.Schmidt

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 8:29:02 PM10/26/09

ljsprojects wrote:
> On Oct 26, 6:07 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Dan Christensen wrote:
>>> On Oct 26, 12:48 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla
>

> PL is homosexual, now he fell in love with Dan.

get a life, T.Schmidt.
You are such a desperate sleazebag.
Your are the one posting homo-erotic fantasies in the NG's.

Cuando quieres insultar a alguien le llamas "judío", "negro", "maricón",
... lo niegas?
Eso muestra de donde sacas tu inspiración cuando quieres insultar a alguien.

Quien es este T.Schmidt aka "Herr SSchmidt" aka "Señor Pipí"?

T.Schmidt insulta a la gente porqrue no le gusta que le ridiculizan y

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 8:41:46 PM10/26/09

PL wrote:

Update on US-CUba fiber optics cable project: Cuba says no.

Telecomunicaciones
El rï¿½gimen insinï¿½a que no aceptarï¿½ un cable de internet desde EE UU y
esgrime razones de 'seguridad nacional'

'ï¿½Quiï¿½n va a administrar y tener acceso a la informaciï¿½n que fluya por
la conexiï¿½n submarina desde Florida?', se preguntï¿½ un funcionario.

Agencias | 26/10/2009

Las autoridades de la Isla dijeron desconocer los planes de una empresa
norteamericana sobre el trazado de un cable submarino de fibra ï¿½ptica
entre Florida y Cuba e insinuaron que no lo permitirï¿½n por razones de
"soberanï¿½a" y "seguridad nacional", reportï¿½ DPA.

Recientemente, TeleCuba Communications Inc. anunciï¿½ que tenï¿½a planes de
instalar un cable submarino, y asï¿½ proporcionar servicios de acceso a
internet y televisiï¿½n.

"Sigue siendo una noticia de la que nos enteramos cuando leï¿½mos la
prensa, porque no tenemos ninguna informaciï¿½n oficial al respecto hasta
este momento. No hay ninguna comunicaciï¿½n ni previa ni posterior a ese
anuncio hecho en la prensa", dijo en conferencia de prensa el director
de Estrategias de la Oficina para la Informatizaciï¿½n de Cuba, Francisco
Hartmann.

Por su parte, la directora de Cooperaciï¿½n y Organismos Internacionales
del Ministerio de la Informï¿½tica y las Comunicaciones, Noemï¿½ Benï¿½tez,
precisï¿½ que, al ser Cuba un paï¿½s embargado, es el gobierno de Estados
Unidos el que debe comunicar oficialmente a la Isla los planes de dicha
compaï¿½ï¿½a, pero que "eso hasta ahora no ha pasado".

TeleCuba Communications Inc asegurï¿½ haber recibido una licencia del
Departamento del Tesoro estadounidense para instalar el cable, de unos
177 kilï¿½metros, entre Cayo Hueso, en el sur de Florida y Cojimar, al
este de La Habana.

A fin de mejorar la conectividad de Cuba a internet, Venezuela proyecta
tambiï¿½n establecer su propio tendido de fibra ï¿½ptica hacia la Isla, que
tendrï¿½a un precio superior a los 70 millones de dï¿½lares, frente a los 18
millones en los que estï¿½ presupuestado el proyecto de la empresa con
sede en Miami.

No obstante, el especialista de la Oficina para la Informatizaciï¿½n
Carlos del Porto, considerï¿½ que, en el caso de Cuba, el componente
polï¿½tico no se puede separar del tï¿½cnico, y dijo que habrï¿½a que
preguntarse quiï¿½n va a administrar y tener acceso a la informaciï¿½n que
fluya por la conexiï¿½n submarina desde Florida.

"Si todas las comunicaciones de Cuba las pasamos por un cable que se
pase por la Florida, la independencia tecnolï¿½gica, la soberanï¿½a, que
para nosotros es vital, ï¿½dï¿½nde queda?", afirmï¿½ Del Porto.

"A veces la economï¿½a, en el caso de Cuba, no es el mï¿½vil de la balanza.
A nosotros a veces nos interesa mï¿½s el elemento de la soberanï¿½a, de la
independencia y la seguridad nacional del paï¿½s", seï¿½alï¿½.

Por su parte, Hartmann explicï¿½ que el embargo econï¿½mico, financiero y
comercial "afecta tremendamente a todos los ï¿½mbitos de la tecnologï¿½a" y
que, en el caso de internet, impide a Cuba el acceso a "cientos y miles"
de pï¿½ginas y servicios ofertados en la red desde servidores ubicados
tanto en Estados Unidos como en terceros paï¿½ses.

Entre numerosos ejemplos, el experto citï¿½ la imposibilidad para usuarios
cubanos de utilizar el popular servicio de chat Microsoft Messenger, de
bajar programas ofertados por el buscador Google, como Google Earth,
Picasa o Chrome, o de acceder al software disponible en los portales de
fabricantes como Java, Cisco o Borland.

"El llamado libre acceso a la red de redes, tan proclamado por mucha
gente en la red, no lo es realmente cuando le conviene a Estados
Unidos", afirmï¿½ Hartmann, asegurando que dichas limitaciones afectan a
Cuba no sï¿½lo en el caso de internet, sino tambiï¿½n en relaciï¿½n al llamado
software libre.

ï¿½ cubaencuentro.com

El rï¿½gimen insinï¿½a que no aceptarï¿½ un cable de internet desde EE UU y
esgrime razones de 'seguridad nacional' - Noticias - Cuba -
cubaencuentro.com (26 October 2009)
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/cuba/noticias/el-regimen-insinua-que-no-aceptara-un-cable-de-internet-desde-ee-uu-y-esgrime-razones-de-seguridad-nacional-219246

ljsprojects

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Oct 26, 2009, 10:07:43 PM10/26/09

On Oct 26, 6:41 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
> PL wrote:
>
> Update on US-CUba fiber optics cable project: Cuba says no.
>
> Telecomunicaciones

> El régimen insinúa que no aceptará un cable de internet desde EE UU y

> esgrime razones de 'seguridad nacional'
>

> '¿Quién va a administrar y tener acceso a la información que fluya por
> la conexión submarina desde Florida?', se preguntó un funcionario.

>
> Agencias | 26/10/2009
>
> Las autoridades de la Isla dijeron desconocer los planes de una empresa

> norteamericana sobre el trazado de un cable submarino de fibra óptica
> entre Florida y Cuba e insinuaron que no lo permitirán por razones de
> "soberanía" y "seguridad nacional", reportó DPA.
>
> Recientemente, TeleCuba Communications Inc. anunció que tenía planes de
> instalar un cable submarino, y así proporcionar servicios de acceso a
> internet y televisión.
>
> "Sigue siendo una noticia de la que nos enteramos cuando leímos la
> prensa, porque no tenemos ninguna información oficial al respecto hasta
> este momento. No hay ninguna comunicación ni previa ni posterior a ese

> anuncio hecho en la prensa", dijo en conferencia de prensa el director

> de Estrategias de la Oficina para la Informatización de Cuba, Francisco
> Hartmann.
>
> Por su parte, la directora de Cooperación y Organismos Internacionales
> del Ministerio de la Informática y las Comunicaciones, Noemí Benítez,
> precisó que, al ser Cuba un país embargado, es el gobierno de Estados

> Unidos el que debe comunicar oficialmente a la Isla los planes de dicha

> compañía, pero que "eso hasta ahora no ha pasado".
>
> TeleCuba Communications Inc aseguró haber recibido una licencia del

> Departamento del Tesoro estadounidense para instalar el cable, de unos

> 177 kilómetros, entre Cayo Hueso, en el sur de Florida y Cojimar, al

> este de La Habana.
>
> A fin de mejorar la conectividad de Cuba a internet, Venezuela proyecta

> también establecer su propio tendido de fibra óptica hacia la Isla, que
> tendría un precio superior a los 70 millones de dólares, frente a los 18
> millones en los que está presupuestado el proyecto de la empresa con
> sede en Miami.
>
> No obstante, el especialista de la Oficina para la Informatización
> Carlos del Porto, consideró que, en el caso de Cuba, el componente
> político no se puede separar del técnico, y dijo que habría que
> preguntarse quién va a administrar y tener acceso a la información que
> fluya por la conexión submarina desde Florida.

>
> "Si todas las comunicaciones de Cuba las pasamos por un cable que se

> pase por la Florida, la independencia tecnológica, la soberanía, que
> para nosotros es vital, ¿dónde queda?", afirmó Del Porto.
>
> "A veces la economía, en el caso de Cuba, no es el móvil de la balanza.
> A nosotros a veces nos interesa más el elemento de la soberanía, de la
> independencia y la seguridad nacional del país", señaló.
>
> Por su parte, Hartmann explicó que el embargo económico, financiero y
> comercial "afecta tremendamente a todos los ámbitos de la tecnología" y

> que, en el caso de internet, impide a Cuba el acceso a "cientos y miles"

> de páginas y servicios ofertados en la red desde servidores ubicados
> tanto en Estados Unidos como en terceros países.
>
> Entre numerosos ejemplos, el experto citó la imposibilidad para usuarios

> cubanos de utilizar el popular servicio de chat Microsoft Messenger, de
> bajar programas ofertados por el buscador Google, como Google Earth,
> Picasa o Chrome, o de acceder al software disponible en los portales de
> fabricantes como Java, Cisco o Borland.
>
> "El llamado libre acceso a la red de redes, tan proclamado por mucha
> gente en la red, no lo es realmente cuando le conviene a Estados

> Unidos", afirmó Hartmann, asegurando que dichas limitaciones afectan a
> Cuba no sólo en el caso de internet, sino también en relación al llamado
> software libre.
>
> © cubaencuentro.com
>
> El régimen insinúa que no aceptará un cable de internet desde EE UU y

> esgrime razones de 'seguridad nacional' - Noticias - Cuba -

> cubaencuentro.com (26 October 2009)http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/cuba/noticias/el-regimen-insinua-que-...

>
>
>
> > Barry Schier wrote:
> >> President Obama's rather recent renewal of the U.S. embargo against
> >> Cuba
>
> > in reply to the continued huma rights abuses of the regime in Cuba you
> > mean?
> > Raul brought no change?
>
> >> sends a message about what the REAL message that the
> >> Administration wishes to send re its intentions re its request for
> >> Cuba and/or its President Raul Castro to "step up efforts to improve
> >> relations with Washington." (snip)
>
> > I guess you missed
> > - the end to travel restrictions for Cubans
> > - the end to remittances limits
> > - the telecoms opening (duly rejected by Castro of course)
> > - easing on payment for food imports
>
> > Fiber-optic cable to link Key West and Havana - Business -
> > MiamiHerald.com (13 October 2009)
> >http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/1279401.html

> >http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/10/fiber-optic-cable-to-link-key-we...

>
> > US treasury ends limit on remittances, opens up financial services
> > opportunity, Cuba, Banking, news (4 September 2009)

> >http://www.bnamericas.com/news/banking/US_Treasury_ends_limit_on_remi...
>
> >http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/09/us-treasury-ends-limit-on-remitt...

>
> > U.S. Removes Almost All Restrictions on Family Visits to Cuba -
> > washingtonpost.com (3 September 2009)

> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR200...

>
> > Provision makes Cuba trade easier | Agweek | Midwest farm news and ranch
> > news (20 July 2009)
> >http://www.agweek.com/articles/?id=5090&article_id=14658&property_id=41

> >http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2009/07/provision-makes-cuba-trade-easi...

>
> > Just to show how much Cuba by now depends on the US:
>
> > Cuba imports 80% of the food it consumes. The US supplies about a third
> > of that, more than Cuba produces.
>
> > Cuba imports:
> > - 80% of the overall food consumed
> > - 84% of the rationed food
>
> > That means, by your own calculations, the US supplies more food (25-30%)
> > to the Cuban people than Cuba's own production does (20%).
>
> > A. Cuba imports 80% of the total consumption of food.
>
> > Cuban sources:
>
> > From Vanguardia.
>

> > Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El país importa el 80 % de los

> > alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

> > sentido, hecho en el que también tuvo que ver las pérdida de 700 mil de

> > toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.
>

> > Vanguardia comenta - Periódico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
> > October 2009)
> >http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc...
>
> > From invasor.cu
>

> > "Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prácticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
> > los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtió el año pasado más de 2
> > 000 millones de dólares."
>
> > ¿Volveremos a los años '90?

> > Por Magaly Zamora Morejón (AIN)

> > Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18

> >http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-ano...
>
> > Who was the author:
> >http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%...
>
> > radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabío
>
> > "Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un país
> > con tierras fértiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla
> > donde hace 50 años existe una economía planificada, quiere decir que
> > algo ha funcionado mal."
>
> >http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresayc...

>
> > International sources including the WFP:
>
> > FOOD DEPENCENCY:
>
> > In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
> > Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
> > more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
> > United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
> > families in the five eastern-most provinces.
> > In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
> > other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
> > key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
> > subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
> > food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
> > A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.
>
> > FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
> >http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/
>
> > "These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
> > food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
> > and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."
>
> > Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad

> >http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisi...
>

> > En 2008 la importación del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costó
> > a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este año las
> > raciones de frijoles, chicharos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
> > Los precios en los mercados agrícolas siguen congelados, nueve meses

> > después de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
> > divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiénico,
> > dentífrico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
> > inasequible.
>
> > La paradoja económica cubana | Cubaverdad

> >http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/
>
> > From the WFP:
>
> > In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
> > is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
> > of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
> > eastern region is 56.7 percent
>

> ...
>
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>
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No veo problema, el cable debe ser adminstrado por Cuba, nada mas y
eso es todo. ¿O es que los imperialistas gringos iba a usarlo para
espiar y se les echo a perder el plan? Je, je, je!

T.Schmidt

PL

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Oct 26, 2009, 10:28:58 PM10/26/09

ljsprojects wrote:
> On Oct 26, 6:41 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> PL wrote:
>>
>> Update on US-CUba fiber optics cable project: Cuba says no.
>>
>> Telecomunicaciones

>> El rï¿½gimen insinï¿½a que no aceptarï¿½ un cable de internet desde EE UU y

>> esgrime razones de 'seguridad nacional'
>>

>> 'ï¿½Quiï¿½n va a administrar y tener acceso a la informaciï¿½n que fluya por

>> la conexiï¿½n submarina desde Florida?', se preguntï¿½ un funcionario.

>>
>> Agencias | 26/10/2009
>>
>> Las autoridades de la Isla dijeron desconocer los planes de una empresa

>> norteamericana sobre el trazado de un cable submarino de fibra ï¿½ptica

>> entre Florida y Cuba e insinuaron que no lo permitirï¿½n por razones de

>> "soberanï¿½a" y "seguridad nacional", reportï¿½ DPA.
>>
>> Recientemente, TeleCuba Communications Inc. anunciï¿½ que tenï¿½a planes de
>> instalar un cable submarino, y asï¿½ proporcionar servicios de acceso a
>> internet y televisiï¿½n.
>>
>> "Sigue siendo una noticia de la que nos enteramos cuando leï¿½mos la
>> prensa, porque no tenemos ninguna informaciï¿½n oficial al respecto hasta
>> este momento. No hay ninguna comunicaciï¿½n ni previa ni posterior a ese

>> anuncio hecho en la prensa", dijo en conferencia de prensa el director

>> de Estrategias de la Oficina para la Informatizaciï¿½n de Cuba, Francisco
>> Hartmann.
>>
>> Por su parte, la directora de Cooperaciï¿½n y Organismos Internacionales

>> del Ministerio de la Informï¿½tica y las Comunicaciones, Noemï¿½ Benï¿½tez,

>> precisï¿½ que, al ser Cuba un paï¿½s embargado, es el gobierno de Estados

>> Unidos el que debe comunicar oficialmente a la Isla los planes de dicha

>> compaï¿½ï¿½a, pero que "eso hasta ahora no ha pasado".
>>
>> TeleCuba Communications Inc asegurï¿½ haber recibido una licencia del

>> Departamento del Tesoro estadounidense para instalar el cable, de unos

>> 177 kilï¿½metros, entre Cayo Hueso, en el sur de Florida y Cojimar, al

>> este de La Habana.
>>
>> A fin de mejorar la conectividad de Cuba a internet, Venezuela proyecta

>> tambiï¿½n establecer su propio tendido de fibra ï¿½ptica hacia la Isla, que

>> tendrï¿½a un precio superior a los 70 millones de dï¿½lares, frente a los 18
>> millones en los que estï¿½ presupuestado el proyecto de la empresa con
>> sede en Miami.
>>

>> No obstante, el especialista de la Oficina para la Informatizaciï¿½n

>> Carlos del Porto, considerï¿½ que, en el caso de Cuba, el componente

>> polï¿½tico no se puede separar del tï¿½cnico, y dijo que habrï¿½a que

>> preguntarse quiï¿½n va a administrar y tener acceso a la informaciï¿½n que
>> fluya por la conexiï¿½n submarina desde Florida.

>>
>> "Si todas las comunicaciones de Cuba las pasamos por un cable que se

>> pase por la Florida, la independencia tecnolï¿½gica, la soberanï¿½a, que
>> para nosotros es vital, ï¿½dï¿½nde queda?", afirmï¿½ Del Porto.
>>
>> "A veces la economï¿½a, en el caso de Cuba, no es el mï¿½vil de la balanza.
>> A nosotros a veces nos interesa mï¿½s el elemento de la soberanï¿½a, de la

>> independencia y la seguridad nacional del paï¿½s", seï¿½alï¿½.
>>

>> Por su parte, Hartmann explicï¿½ que el embargo econï¿½mico, financiero y
>> comercial "afecta tremendamente a todos los ï¿½mbitos de la tecnologï¿½a" y

>> que, en el caso de internet, impide a Cuba el acceso a "cientos y miles"

>> de pï¿½ginas y servicios ofertados en la red desde servidores ubicados
>> tanto en Estados Unidos como en terceros paï¿½ses.
>>
>> Entre numerosos ejemplos, el experto citï¿½ la imposibilidad para usuarios

>> cubanos de utilizar el popular servicio de chat Microsoft Messenger, de
>> bajar programas ofertados por el buscador Google, como Google Earth,
>> Picasa o Chrome, o de acceder al software disponible en los portales de
>> fabricantes como Java, Cisco o Borland.
>>
>> "El llamado libre acceso a la red de redes, tan proclamado por mucha
>> gente en la red, no lo es realmente cuando le conviene a Estados

>> Unidos", afirmï¿½ Hartmann, asegurando que dichas limitaciones afectan a

>> Cuba no sï¿½lo en el caso de internet, sino tambiï¿½n en relaciï¿½n al llamado
>> software libre.
>>
>> ï¿½ cubaencuentro.com
>>

>> El rï¿½gimen insinï¿½a que no aceptarï¿½ un cable de internet desde EE UU y

>>> Cuba no se halla ajena a estos problemas. El paï¿½s importa el 80 % de los

>>> alimentos que consume. En el 2008 se invirtieron 2500 millones en este

>>> sentido, hecho en el que tambiï¿½n tuvo que ver las pï¿½rdida de 700 mil de

>>> toneladas de productos por el paso de tres ciclones.

>>> Vanguardia comenta - Periï¿½dico Vanguardia - Villa Clara - Cuba (17
>>> October 2009)
>>> http://www.vanguardia.co.cu/index.php?tpl=design/secciones/lectura/vc....
>>> From invasor.cu

>>> "Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba prï¿½cticamente importa el 80 por ciento de
>>> los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtiï¿½ el aï¿½o pasado mï¿½s de 2
>>> 000 millones de dï¿½lares."
>>> ï¿½Volveremos a los aï¿½os '90?

>>> Por Magaly Zamora Morejï¿½n (AIN)

>>> Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
>>> http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-ano...
>>> Who was the author:
>>> http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=Magaly+Zamora+Morej%C3%B3n++site%...

>>> radioenciclopedia.cu quotes respected film director Juan Carlos Tabï¿½o
>>> "Se ha hablado por primera vez de las insuficiencias nuestras, un paï¿½s
>>> con tierras fï¿½rtiles que importa el 80% de sus alimentos, en una isla

>>> donde hace 50 aï¿½os existe una economï¿½a planificada, quiere decir que

>>> algo ha funcionado mal."
>>> http://www.radioenciclopedia.cu/2009/julio2009/13/Cuba%20a15deFresayc...
>>> International sources including the WFP:
>>> FOOD DEPENCENCY:
>>> In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
>>> Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
>>> more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
>>> United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
>>> families in the five eastern-most provinces.
>>> In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
>>> other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
>>> key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
>>> subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
>>> food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
>>> A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.
>>> FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
>>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/
>>> "These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
>>> food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
>>> and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."
>>> Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
>>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisi...

>>> En 2008 la importaciï¿½n del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costï¿½
>>> a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este aï¿½o las
>>> raciones de frijoles, chiï¿½charos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
>>> Los precios en los mercados agrï¿½colas siguen congelados, nueve meses

>>> despuï¿½s de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
>>> divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiï¿½nico,
>>> dentï¿½frico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
>>> inasequible.
>>> La paradoja econï¿½mica cubana | Cubaverdad

>>> http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/
>>> From the WFP:
>>> In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
>>> is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
>>> of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
>>> eastern region is 56.7 percent
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> No veo problema, el cable debe ser adminstrado por Cuba,

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Cuba ha tenido acceso a Internet a travï¿½s de los EE.UU desde 1991 hasta
1998 a lo menos

Cable:

ï¿½Critics say, however, that Tides money helped Castroï¿½s Cuba by donating
funds to the Institute for Global Communications, whose Canadian
affiliate in 1991 used an undersea cable link from Havana to Sprint in
the United States ï¿½ connecting Cuba to the Internet.ï¿½
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/11/222217.shtml

Satelite:

Note: this author seem to have been unaware of the sprint cable connection.
It is indeed not widely known.

In October 1996 Cuba first connected full time to the Internet, and in
1998 Cuba had only a single 64-Kbps satellite connection run by Sprint
in Florida and allowed by an exception for communications to the U.S.
trade embargo.
http://opennet.net/research/profiles/cuba

Como siempre muestras que bruto y ignorante eres T.Schmidt.

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