Wanted: Dead or Alive
Paulo Araujo
then ask yourselves:
Would I ever trust anyone of these sub-humans?
if in fact Hell exists, it is run by these sub-humans!
Daniel Adler
Come again with reasonable arguments, mail me, post them, discuss with your
brain and not with your heart and do not spread propaganda!
Fons Adae
"Daniel Adler" <d_ad...@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
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> Come again with reasonable arguments, mail me, post them, discuss with
your
> brain and not with your heart and do not spread propaganda!
I agree with you but... I guess Mr. Paulo Araújo will not understand once
again...
ARKADYA
british will learn and stop being so Liberal
Never Forgive, Never Forget
9-11-01
J.Rocha
I also agree with you.
But P. Araujo spends his time (I wonder how he has so much time (!) )
spreading vicious propaganda and hate. Spiritual pollution.
Further he doesn't seem to have (or use) his brain.
I ressent anybody saying he talks from his heart, as his posts seem to come
straight from his large intestine.
J. Rocha
Juergen Hubert
"Paulo Araujo" <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> wrote in message
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> Go this site:
[REDACTED]
> then ask yourselves:
>
> Would I ever trust anyone of these sub-humans?
>
> if in fact Hell exists, it is run by these sub-humans!
If anyone on Usenet uses the word "sub-human", and seems to mean it, I just
assume he is a racist asshole and nothing he says and posts should be taken
seriously.
- Jürgen Hubert
Paulo Araujo
>
> > then ask yourselves:
> >
> > Would I ever trust anyone of these sub-humans?
> >
> > if in fact Hell exists, it is run by these sub-humans!
>
> If anyone on Usenet uses the word "sub-human", and seems to mean it, I just
> assume he is a racist asshole and nothing he says and posts should be taken
> seriously.
>
> - Jürgen Hubert
You assumed wrong! I'm not a "racist asshole"! Any person that
engages himself in terror activities like this crowd can safely be
called sub-human since they show no respect for human life! An
asshole is anyone that protects and defends this kind of crowd and I
assume you could be one of them!
cheers,
Christian Winter
"Paulo Araujo" <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Anyone who calls a specific group of people "sub-humans", uses a Nazi
ideologie. It can be assumed that therefore he is a Nazi!
gruss
Chris
Daniel Adler
Genauso wie manche Leute schwul sind und es noch nicht gepeilt haben ist
besagter "Paulo" ein Nazi der es sich nur nicht eingesteht. Man muss
schließlich kein Deutscher/Europäer/Weißer/Christ sein um ein Nazi zu sein.
ARKADYA
something.
J.Rocha
I understand german, but I'll say it in english and portuguese.
You hardly know how right you are !
Nem fazes ideia da razão que tens !
J. Rocha
J.Rocha
>whats with the posting in Kraut talk, dont you guys have immigrants to chase or
>something.
If you want to know what the german fellow said, you only have to ask me, I
speak german.
ARKADYA
speak german.
German is a dying language, sounds like crap to the ears, nothing inteligent
has ever been said in that language, except maybe "Duck, the Americans are
coming!"
Paulo Araujo
Oh please! Nazis were terrorists just like the islamic
fundamentalists are! Those six people are are sub-humans because they
have brought terror onto innocent people in their own countries!
"Human: Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and
character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals."
These people are savages and act like animals so they could never be
human! Nowadays being human means being kind to others, these people
are not even kind to their own!
Nazis killed millions of innocent people
Islamics have done the same in India and other parts of the world
So stop calling me a Nazi (before I was a racist now I'm a Nazi)
what's next?
Freak Cell
"Paulo Araujo" <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> wrote in message
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> character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals."
Não sei que idade tem nem que tipo de experiências tem tido na sua vida mas
asseguro-lhe que dada a minha idade e experiência vejo que os humanos só são
mais inteligentes que os outros animais. Não deixamos de ser animais nem
temos necessáriamente qualidades melhores nem piores que os animais. Agimos
muitas vezes por instinto ou irracionalmente. Ser inteligente não é o mesmo
que ser bom. Sim, temos aspirações e ideais - até somos capazes de morrer
por eles - mas também somos capazes de nos matar uns aos outros e de
fazermos outros sofrerem pelos nossos "ideais". Repare no caso do Bin Laden
e seguidores...o que mais arrepia é que são/eram tão humanos como nós ao
seguirem o seu "ideal".
Pensa que o seu vizinho do lado lá por ser um tipo altamente porreiro e
educado deixa de ser capaz de abusar de crianças ou traficar em droga ou ?
ou ?
Pensa que você mesmo, lá porque hoje a vida lhe corre de feição amanhã não
se transforma num monstro qualquer por sabe-se lá o quê?
Todos temos esse potencial para levarmos aquilo que somos e aquilo em que
nos tornamos (porque mudamos) a extremos que talvez talvez ache
"sub-humanos"? Olhe que o potencial humano é mais vasto do que pensa...é
tudo parte de nós, humanos.
Talvez lhe seja mais fácil pensar em nós como árvores. Toda a árvore tem o
mesmo potencial, mas, dependendo do sítio onde cai a semente, do clima, do
solo e inúmeros outros factores, não há duas iguais. Não só não há duas
iguais como os extremos podem desviar-se tanto da norma até parecerem algo
completamente diferente. No entanto...não deixam de ser o que são.
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"Paulo Araujo" <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> wrote in message
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You are making a large group of people directly responsible for the actions
of a small minority.
My grandfather was a member of the Nazi party. Does that make me a Nazi? I
think not.
And saying that all Muslims are like those fundamentalist terrorists is no
better.
- Jürgen Hubert
Juergen Hubert
"Paulo Araujo" <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Genauso wie manche Leute schwul sind und es noch nicht gepeilt haben ist
> > besagter "Paulo" ein Nazi der es sich nur nicht eingesteht. Man muss
> > schließlich kein Deutscher/Europäer/Weißer/Christ sein um ein Nazi zu
sein.
>
> Oh please! Nazis were terrorists just like the islamic
> fundamentalists are!
Not all Muslims are fundamentalists - which is something you should
remember.
- Jürgen Hubert
Paulo Araujo
> of a small minority.
>
> My grandfather was a member of the Nazi party. Does that make me a Nazi? I
> think not.
>
> And saying that all Muslims are like those fundamentalist terrorists is no
> better.
>
> - Jürgen Hubert
If I'm not mistaken I remember refering to the 6 people on that site
and the assholes that support and protect them (
http://www.newsminute.com/muslimpoll.htm ) somewhere in this thread!
I don't remember using the word all (despite of my anti-muslim
tendencies)!
I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
profiling Muslims! I mean they did it with Scientologists and
Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
threat!
Patrick Walz-Damidaux
>Paulo Araujo <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
> profiling Muslims! I mean they did it with Scientologists and
> Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
> threat!
Jehova´s Witnesses are neither regarded as a terrorist organization (perhaps
annoying) nor are they forbidden. They were prosecuted during the war
because many of them refused to be drafted. IIRC they are one of the few
groups that can avoid being drafted today for "reasons of conscience" by
simply stating they are members of the Witnesses.
Neither is scientology forbidden, even though they rather fit the
description of "terrorist organization". The government simply chose not to
grant them the status (and tax benefits) of a church. Tough luck, they´ll
have to pay full taxes for the money they took for their silly courses.
Regards
Patrick
Juergen Hubert
"Patrick Walz-Damidaux" <walz...@mail.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message
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>
> >Paulo Araujo <paulo_...@portugalmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:2d41e346.02022...@posting.google.com...
>
> > I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
> > profiling Muslims! I mean they did it with Scientologists and
> > Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
> > threat!
>
> Jehova´s Witnesses are neither regarded as a terrorist organization
(perhaps
> annoying) nor are they forbidden. They were prosecuted during the war
> because many of them refused to be drafted. IIRC they are one of the few
> groups that can avoid being drafted today for "reasons of conscience" by
> simply stating they are members of the Witnesses.
Actually, pretty much anyone facing the draft in Germany can avoid it for
"reasons of conscience" simply by saying so - it isn't neccessary to become
a Witness for that.
It works like this: You look around on the internet for sites that cover
this ("Wehrdienstverweigerung"), copy one of their texts that explain why it
is against your conscience to be drafted into the military (usually invoking
Jesus, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King a few times), exchange your name for
that of the original author, print it out, and send it to your draft office
where bored buerocrats who have seen the same text hundreds of times will
rubber-stamp it.
And now you are a "conscientous objector". You won't have to do military
service, but you _will_ have to do "civilian service" instead - which lasts
for 11 months instead of nine months, but usually has better pay and you can
work close to your hometown and get home in the evenings if you do things
right. Which one you prefer is up to you...
- Jürgen Hubert
(facing the Draft later this year...)
Juergen Hubert
news:2d41e346.02022...@posting.google.com...
> I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
> profiling Muslims!
Islam is an old and well-established religion, and almost all of its three
million adherents in Germany seem to be law-abiding.
> I mean they did it with Scientologists and
> Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
> threat!
IIRC Jehovah's Witnesses are not recognized as an "official religion"
according to German law (IIRC this status gives a religion many more
privileges than in the USA) because their religion prohibits its members
from taking part in elections - and that "official religion" status is only
given to religions that fully support democracy. They might also be denied
jobs in government organisations because that stance might lead to a
"conflict of interest". I am not aware of any kind of "profiling" of
Jehova's Witnesses.
Scientology is seen by most German state governments not as a religion, but
as a money-grubbing corporation with criminal tendencies. Bavaria,
especially, is very careful against letting Scientology member into state
service - every potential employee has to fill out a questionaire if he ever
had any kind of link to Scientology.
- Jürgen Hubert
Patrick Walz-Damidaux
>Juergen Hubert <jhu...@gmx.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:a5nf6l$fsc$1...@rznews2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de...
>
>> "Patrick Walz-Damidaux" <walz...@mail.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message
> news:a5mfgb$d4s$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
>> IIRC they are one of the few
> > groups that can avoid being drafted today for "reasons of conscience" by
> > simply stating they are members of the Witnesses.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Actually, pretty much anyone facing the draft in Germany can avoid it for
> "reasons of conscience" simply by saying so - it isn't neccessary to
become
> a Witness for that.
What I was trying to say is: They don´t need to prove by a rather borish
pamphlete that they couldn´t harm a fly if their life depended on it but
they simply have to state: "I am a Witness" and that´s it. So they have less
work to do.
> And now you are a "conscientous objector".
As Bender from Futurama might put it : "A coward" *g*.
> - Jürgen Hubert
>
> (facing the Draft later this year...)
Regards
Patrick
(who wasn´t drafted due to severe myopia)
ARKADYA
million adherents in Germany seem to be law-abiding.
Is that why 95 % of german jail inmates are Muslim?
E. Barry Bruyea
wrote:
>IIRC Jehovah's Witnesses are not recognized as an "official religion"
>according to German law (IIRC this status gives a religion many more
>privileges than in the USA)
Would you care to detail what priviliges are denied various religions
in the U.S.?
Juergen Hubert
"E. Barry Bruyea" <snow...@inhell.net> wrote in message
news:3c7f6fdc...@news.gate-way.net...
That would be more work than I can really afford to spend on this at the
moment, but the right to have religious education in public school for your
religion comes to mind...
(And I'd like to point out that this is not an universal human right or
something. It's just a right that officially recognized religions have in
_Germany_)
- Jürgen Hubert
Juergen Hubert
>
> >Juergen Hubert <jhu...@gmx.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:a5nf6l$fsc$1...@rznews2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de...
> >
> >> "Patrick Walz-Damidaux" <walz...@mail.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message
> > news:a5mfgb$d4s$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
> [snip]
>
> >> IIRC they are one of the few
> > > groups that can avoid being drafted today for "reasons of conscience"
by
> > > simply stating they are members of the Witnesses.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Actually, pretty much anyone facing the draft in Germany can avoid it
for
> > "reasons of conscience" simply by saying so - it isn't neccessary to
> become
> > a Witness for that.
>
> What I was trying to say is: They don´t need to prove by a rather borish
> pamphlete that they couldn´t harm a fly if their life depended on it but
> they simply have to state: "I am a Witness" and that´s it. So they have
less
> work to do.
Interesting...
> > And now you are a "conscientous objector".
>
> As Bender from Futurama might put it : "A coward" *g*.
Given that the Wehrdienstleistenden aren't sent off to combat missions
anyway, that's a moot point. Though IIRC you _can_ become a "conscientous
objector" if you have enlisted out of your own free will and will be sent
off to a combat mission in a couple of minutes...
(Ahhh, Futurama. Great show. Too bad I have to watch the third season in its
German synchronization - the people who translated this should be flogged.)
> > - Jürgen Hubert
> >
> > (facing the Draft later this year...)
>
> Regards
>
> Patrick
>
> (who wasn´t drafted due to severe myopia)
Hmmm... I'll have to remember that one. ;-)
- Jürgen Hubert
Sebastian Brocks
> You won't have to do military service, but you _will_ have to do
> "civilian service" instead - which lasts for 11 months instead of nine
> months [...]
^^
10.
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Paulo Araujo
> million adherents in Germany seem to be law-abiding.
Old yes, well-established no! Jurgen, there's too many Abdullahs!
Islam is by far one of the most violent religions in the world! I
don't have to go far with this, all you have to do is look at their
history up till today. Where Muslims are abundant there's smoke.
They have expanded their religion through force and caused genocide in
many places, they have no tolerance to other religions. I know a few
Christian Egyptians and it's not pleasant listening what they have
said about living in a Muslim country as a Christian. Understand
something Jurgen, as long as they are a minority and out of government
power they will be law abiding, let them become the predominant force
in Gernamy and you will loose your democracy. The Koran will become
the law! Remember the Islam has not evolved one bit since it's
inception! Let us hope that they never become a predominant force in
Europe because hell will break loose!
> IIRC Jehovah's Witnesses are not recognized as an "official religion"
> according to German law (IIRC this status gives a religion many more
> privileges than in the USA) because their religion prohibits its members
> from taking part in elections - and that "official religion" status is only
> given to religions that fully support democracy. They might also be denied
> jobs in government organisations because that stance might lead to a
> "conflict of interest". I am not aware of any kind of "profiling" of
> Jehova's Witnesses.
>
> Scientology is seen by most German state governments not as a religion, but
> as a money-grubbing corporation with criminal tendencies. Bavaria,
> especially, is very careful against letting Scientology member into state
> service - every potential employee has to fill out a questionaire if he ever
> had any kind of link to Scientology.
I disagree with you, when governments start telling people what
religions should be allowed then religious prosecution will follow,
people should be free to choose their own religion wether they are
considered a cults or dangerous by the government.
Filling out a questionaire? You don't call this profiling! From what
I hear Scientologists even get an "S" on databases as to alert
employers that they are scientologists, this is not democratic! Who
you kidding?
I read an article (can't remember very well about it though) but it
looks like Microsoft had to remove some kind of program out of their
windows OS because the CEO of the makers of that program was a
Scientologist! What kind of nonsense is this Jurgen? We all have the
right to criticize religions and I do it all time but this is crazy!
I don't like either of these two religions but they still have the
right to exist!
Paulo Araujo
> annoying) nor are they forbidden. They were prosecuted during the war
> because many of them refused to be drafted. IIRC they are one of the few
> groups that can avoid being drafted today for "reasons of conscience" by
> simply stating they are members of the Witnesses.
They are still being prosecuted today and they are not accepted as a
religion in Germany.
> Neither is scientology forbidden, even though they rather fit the
> description of "terrorist organization". The government simply chose not to
> grant them the status (and tax benefits) of a church. Tough luck, they´ll
> have to pay full taxes for the money they took for their silly courses.
Disagree completly, even though I have no special likings for them
they are an upstanding group where ever they are! Let's take
Clearwater Florida as an example, the section of Clearwater was a
rundown areain Florida until scientology got in, today is one of the
most (if not most) upstanding, clean, crime free areas in Clearwater!
I'm not aware of any terrorist attacks by scientologists in world, the
so called "donations" to the church seems over charging people for
their services but people still have the option to say no.
Juergen Hubert
> > Islam is an old and well-established religion, and almost all of its
three
> > million adherents in Germany seem to be law-abiding.
>
> Old yes, well-established no! Jurgen, there's too many Abdullahs!
According to www.kindername.de, the most popular children's names for boys
in Germany in the year 2000 were:
1. Alexander
2. Maximilian
3. Lukas
4. Leon
5. Tim
6. Paul
7. Niklas
8. Jonas
9. Daniel
10. Jan
Not an "Abdullah" in sight.
> Islam is by far one of the most violent religions in the world!
As long as its adherents are peaceful here in Germany, they are just as
welcome as any other immigrants.
> I don't have to go far with this, all you have to do is look at their
> history up till today.
Most religions have a fairly violent history - at least, those that keep any
records at all...
> Where Muslims are abundant there's smoke.
> They have expanded their religion through force and caused genocide in
> many places, they have no tolerance to other religions. I know a few
> Christian Egyptians and it's not pleasant listening what they have
> said about living in a Muslim country as a Christian.
Some Muslims living in post 9/11 America could probably tell a few stories
on their own...
> Understand
> something Jurgen, as long as they are a minority and out of government
> power they will be law abiding, let them become the predominant force
> in Gernamy and you will loose your democracy.
There are plenty of Muslims who seem to _like_ the kind of secular democracy
we have here...
> The Koran will become
> the law! Remember the Islam has not evolved one bit since it's
> inception!
That one is news to me.
> Let us hope that they never become a predominant force in
> Europe because hell will break loose!
I don't think that will happen, and thus I don't worry about it.
> > Scientology is seen by most German state governments not as a religion,
but
> > as a money-grubbing corporation with criminal tendencies. Bavaria,
> > especially, is very careful against letting Scientology member into
state
> > service - every potential employee has to fill out a questionaire if he
ever
> > had any kind of link to Scientology.
>
> I disagree with you, when governments start telling people what
> religions should be allowed then religious prosecution will follow,
> people should be free to choose their own religion wether they are
> considered a cults or dangerous by the government.
Nobody tells them what religion they should follow. However, all employees
of the state here in Bavaria have to take an oath on the Bavarian
constitution. For some religions this would only create a conflict of
interest...
> Filling out a questionaire? You don't call this profiling! From what
> I hear Scientologists even get an "S" on databases as to alert
> employers that they are scientologists, this is not democratic!
That is also a myth. A German politician proposed this once, but that
suggestion was slapped down quickly.
> Who
> you kidding?
>
> I read an article (can't remember very well about it though) but it
> looks like Microsoft had to remove some kind of program out of their
> windows OS because the CEO of the makers of that program was a
> Scientologist! What kind of nonsense is this Jurgen? We all have the
> right to criticize religions and I do it all time but this is crazy!
> I don't like either of these two religions but they still have the
> right to exist!
Nobody tries to prevent them from existing.
- Jürgen Hubert
Miguel Sebag
"ARKADYA" <ark...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It is the first time we hear about this fact. Is it just another fantasy of
the "jew" Arkadya?
ARKADYA
the "jew" Arkadya?
Ask any of your Portuguese friends in Deutchland to walk down to the jails
and tell you.You better learn from this jew, im here to school you, take you
back to the ABC's you pastel de nata
J.Rocha
>It is the first time we hear about this fact. Is it just another fantasy of
>the "jew" Arkadya?
I hope you understand portuguese ...
A mania do judaismo já quase que lhe tinha passado ... :-(
Claro que não são 95% nem nada parecido, mas estas são as "Internet hoaxes" que
(entre outros) por racistas vários são apregoadas ...
Não devemos também esquecer que a imprensa na maior parte dos países do Norte
fez um "acordo de cavalheiros" mais ou menos secreto, ou "discreto" para não
dar publicidade a atentados racistas, sejam eles anti-árabe ou anti-judeus.
O grande vencedor das recentes eleições municipais foi um recém-nascido partido
que tem no seu programa abolir/modificar o artigo nr.1 da Constituição
holandesa, que se refere precisamente à proibição de discriminação.
Mais curioso ainda é que o "cabeça de lista" deste partido é um "sr. Pim
Fortuyn" que é além de ser um demagogo do mais rasca, é também um homosexual
do mais declarado, evidente e escandaloso ...
zeruch
> German is a dying language,
Any corroborating evidence of this? Any hard numbers?
> sounds like crap to the ears, nothing inteligent
> has ever been said in that language,
Oh I would think that the words of Immanuel Kant, Hannah Arendt, Karl
Barth, Friesrichj Nietzsche, Hegel,S. Freud, Otto Von Bismarck,
Schopenhauer, Wittgenstein, and numerous others would be a good start
(depending on where you lean philosophically).
> except maybe "Duck, the Americans are
> coming!"
I see you are contributing to the American English lexicon in your own,
stunted way.
z
zeruch
>
> I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
> profiling Muslims! I mean they did it with Scientologists and
> Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
> threat!
I do not believe they did it with JW's, but they did do it with the CoS
because of there interference in local polities and that unlike
established religions, the CoS was viewed not as a religion but as a
"Cult" or (as stated by several German politicians in the mid-90s) an
advanced social-brainwashing ponzi-scheme.
z
zeruch
>
> >Islam is an old and well-established religion, and almost all of its three
> >million adherents in Germany seem to be law-abiding.
>
> Is that why 95 % of german jail inmates are Muslim?
Where did you pull those figures from? Your ass?
BTW, configure your mail-client to do proper quoting.
z
lvaughn
And they were correct as that is what it is. I think they could ad
the moonies to the list.
Lucky for the Germans there are no rattlesnakes in Germany.
Scientologists love to use them.
cornelius engelhardt
> Paulo Araujo wrote:
>
> >
> > I always wondered as to why Germany never bothered to ban Islam and
> > profiling Muslims! I mean they did it with Scientologists and
> > Jehovah's Witness as if any of these religions posed any terrorist
> > threat!
>
neither scientology or the jehova´s witnesses are banned in germany, so
please don´t spread such nonsense.
scientology is under surveillance for suspicion of beeing an
anti-constitutional organisation, which is a crime under german law.