Dear Doctor
sc...@free.info
Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
Jewish folks.
Please post them in small easily absorbed morsels. We have many new
curious readers.
Thank you.
scott@free
--
"Maybe Cole’s right. I think the whole gas chamber story is probably,
in terms of physical evidence, the weakest link in the whole story.
To me, it doesn’t matter whether the gas chamber story is completely true or not.
Maybe it could be modified, for all I know." Dr.Michael Shermer, Skeptic Mag. 2/1995.
Sara Salzman
sc...@free.info wrote:
He is not a doctor. he is Robert Scott Bradbury of Texas.
I could tell you the town, but that wouldn't be very nice. Besides, in
the past, any time ANYONE in Usenet said the name of his town, he
"retaliated" by posting MY home address and telephone number.
Suffice to say that he has stated that he never finished high school,
much less gone on to any kind of higher education.
Sara
followups set to alt.revisionism; the other newsgroups havre long since
had enough of Mr. Bradbury.
--
"Thug-leader Sarah Saltzmann addresses small audience in Denver,
splutters outrage at David Irving again"
- David Irving's description of a 90-minute lecture to 200 people in
Boulder, CO, in which Irving was mentioned once.
tim gueguen
<sc...@free.info> wrote in message
news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>
> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
> Jewish folks.
Communism was a product of Germans. Karl Marx was a German. Friedrich
Engels was a German. So how come we don't hear you and your fellow
traveller Tavish, and the rest of your foolish ilk, ranting and raving about
the evils of Germans?
tim gueguen 101867
Alan Jones
"tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no...
tim gueguen
"Alan Jones" <jons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cvr6q7$29qd$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
Lutheran at age 6. I've seen no indication Engels had Jewish anscestry.
His father was a Pietist, Pietism being a Lutheran sect. In any case the
obvious question is why anyone should emphasise Marx's Jewish heritage and
not his German heritage. After all there must have been something in the
millieu of 19th Century Germany and 19th Century German Lutheranism that
influenced the ideology Marx and Engels would develop. Whatever the
position one takes placing collective blame on all Jews for Communism
because someone of Jewish heritage had a role in its creation is
nonsensical, just as blaming all Germans because a pair of Germans had a
role in its creation would be.
tim gueguen 101867
Doc Tavish
>Dear Doctor Tavish,
>
>Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>Jewish folks.
That I can do in short order.
>Please post them in small easily absorbed morsels.
These links are to archives where I have cataloged proofs (most of which are
what Jews claim) and give the URLs for verification. If any link is dead and
anyone wants to see the original I have well over 90% of the materials and web
site pages I cited archived locally at various places for safe keeping. In the
case of a pulled link (they do like to cover their tracks) I will post any
materials in either a ZIP or RAR (I prefer RAR because it is more reliable, it
is self testing, and it has it's own recovery if the file gets corrupted) to an
alt.binaries news group of mutual agreement.
Here is the cornucopia of them all:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
Here is a set (which also includes the above) which proves Soviet Jews waged a
genocide against 7,000,000 Ukrainians BEFORE any death camp was set up by the
Nazis!
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide T_0201
Date: 1 Feb 2005 18:52:33 GMT
Message-ID: <j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
Message-ID: <fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b
Subject: "Holocaust" History -- Have you ever wondered why Ukrainians
volunteered for guard duty? T_0202
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:53:02 -0600
Message-ID: <nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com>
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Founders of "Sovietism" aka the Communist Totalitarian State:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
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Who was spreading "Sovietism" to Europe:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
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Who were generally regarded as "Soviets":
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvull7df5rgn2rhai54c%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
Message-ID: <ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvu...@4ax.com>
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
EXCERPT:
Lucy S. Dawidowicz
THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945
by Bantam Books Incorporated (#13084-6, 1979 ed).
The book's "Acknowledgments" starts with: "This book had its genesis in a
course I developed at the suggestion of Rabbi David Mirsky, Dean of Stern
College for Women, Yeshiva University [New York, New York 10033-3201 -- I added
the address- it was not in the original text. Tavish]. ...I am indebted to the
Yivo Institute for Jewish Research, the Blaustein Library of the American Jewish
Committee..."
On page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their accumulated hatred
for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent energies of these willing
collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
-> I now ask- How could the people named above have been anti-Semitic towards
the Soviets if they weren't Jews? The Ukrainians as well as others knew who
wrought the communist menace on their Motherland and it was Jews!
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Here is the modern state of Israel and its communist roots and politics:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
Message-ID: <1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Jul 2003 14:16:47 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cl4i90prrinnkt5a0...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Political Parties of Israel (Israel is a Communist Sympathizer Nation!)
V2.0 S_0505
Message-ID: <cl4i90prrinnkt5a0...@4ax.com>
Date: 5 May 2004 16:08:47 GMT
This set of archives should really be exploited seeing how Sara Salzman lied
through her teeth at Colorado University recently:
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
Saturday Feb. 26, 2005
A non-debatable truth
By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
For people who know about the horrors of the Holocaust, it is hard to imagine
there are people out there who claim it did not happen. Holocaust educator Sara
Salzman is devoted to combating Holocaust denial, and she took that combat to CU
Monday.
She defined anti-Semitism as "one who discriminates against or is hostile toward
or prejudiced against Jews." She said Holocaust deniers propagate many ideas
against Jews to justify their beliefs, such as: Jews.. want to destroy
Christianity..."
Jews have been Anti-Christs since DAY ONE and for 2000 years they have
killed/persecuted/harassed Christians and in addition to their Anti-Chritic
Christ-Denial they also deny they killed Jesus and Mel Gibson learned first hand
what Jews are truly like!
All here:
-- The Apostle Paul says much about Pharisaic Jews in two Bible scriptures:
1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.
Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just
two verses of scripture!
He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e81e7e6846161b30
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.0 T_0205
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:03 -0600
Message-ID: <6iea01dq6bt8b3com...@4ax.com>
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
The Holocaust against Christians by Jews in the 1st Century:
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.smart1.net&rnum=7
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <34c17d0f....@news.smart1.net>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag%404ax.com&rnum=10&filter=0
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raq...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
Jews legislate Nazi like laws:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=t48jg054lokshm6b2ht2h77l3cb7p5bofp%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Apartheid Laws in Israel (Different Author Series) V3.0
Message-ID: <t48jg054lokshm6b2...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jul 2004 01:22:37 GMT
Jews surpass Nazis in brutality:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=dgp5g0po2nirmqkejcu2tf53cun8pv64gc%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.5
S_0723 Message-ID: <dgp5g0po2nirmqkej...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 22:42:55 GMT
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As a parallel- Jews are predominant in the abortion trade which is very
profitable for the anti-Christs seeing how they are paid to kill a baby
and then as a bonus get to sell the carcass as tissue! Here is a new
link documenting Jews and their predominance in the abortion trade:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: The Holocaust Against Millions of Innocents by Christ Denier
Anti-Christs Continues V1-0
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 01:27:17 -0500
Message-ID: <0g3vl0pq7pl0kkdff...@4ax.com>
Before anyone dismisses the above as being a joke you should read it and look at
all the very credible sources cited!
Back to proofs Jews take to communism like ducks to water- what do these quotes
from ADL/B'nai Brith tell you?
---Collapse of Communism contributing to the rise of anti-Semitism?---
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.asp
(Link active January 21, 2003. Archived locally as: 2966_13)
Press Release Anti-Semitism-International
"...The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director." <END>
What is Abe Foxman suggesting? Is he suggesting
communism was a guardian of Jews?
Here is B'nai Brith making a shocking revelation:
www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link was active December 2001. Now expired)
The web page was archived complete with graphics by Web Archives Org as:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010221074926re_/www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: unesco3_archive-org)
[unesco3_archive-org is a true copy]
Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94
Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94 The period of 1991-'94 was
marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism, resulting mainly from the
collapse of the communist block in Europe and the reunification of Germany."
<END> <<I thought communism was supposed to be an oppressor of Jews so why
should communism's collapse be viewed negatively by Jews? Anyone care to answer
that?!>> Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nj3a009i4aj9ba7vo...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it
the Same as They Do Nazism? V3,0b S_0114
Message-ID: <nj3a009i4aj9ba7vo...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:56 GMT
FOR A FACT THE WORLD'S LARGEST JEWISH ORGANIZATION (B'NAI BRITH) ABUSED ITS
TAXEXEMPT STATUS TO GIVE FINANCIAL AID TO A COMMUNIST WHO REGULARLY BASHES
AMERICA AND CHRISTIANS!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
B'nai Brith's lap dog Ken McVay and his Nizkor also reflect the same
pro-communist stance:
~~Ken McVay Doesn't Laugh at Communists - He Supports Them!~~
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=7soT9.302%24q%253.15...@news.nnrp.ca&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayCommieLuv_1 and McVayCommieLuv_2)
Subject: Re: SCOTT BRADBURY IS AN IDIOT
References: <52f5294a95c44dbd...@dizum.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=52f5294a95c44dbdfb4e64755beb2b79%40dizum.com&rnum=1
(Archived locally as: McVayCommieLuv_3 and McVayCommieLuv_4)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001)
From: kmc...@vex.net (Ken McVay)
Message-ID: <7soT9.302$q%3.158...@news.nnrp.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:27:47 GMT
>Seeing how you hate Nazis for all the deaths they caused in the 20th
>Century; it would only be logical you would be against a person who
>embraces an ideology which has killed and is killing even more people.
<<Tavish comment: The person referred to above is communist David Lethbridge.>>
Like, er, Democracy, for example?
<<Tavish comment: Is that the new code word for communism? I have never ever
heard of communism being a Democracy!!>>
>You don't sense a slight bit of hypocrisy on your part? Communism still
>has over a billion people enslaved today and Nazism does not exist as
>a political entity.
Did you know that Communism was perfectly legal in Canada, and that
folks representing the CP of Canada run for Parliament every time an
election rolls around?
Most folks just laugh at 'em...
<<Tavish comment: I know for a fact that neither YOU nor your funding arm B'nai
Brith laugh at communists because your Nizkor Project and B'nai Brith are
documented as aiding and abetting self confessed communist David Lethbridge!!>>
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Proofs of my charges I made above:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT
=============================
Full version of: Ken McVay Doesn't Laugh at Communists - He Supports Them!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=odsdo0d68mfgpe3bq3ovn9sr63ppurphkg%404ax.com&rnum=1
>We have many new curious readers.
>Thank you.
>scott@free
The above should get you off to a good start!
Tavish
~~Sara Salzman on record as admitting she's retarded!~~
On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
Message ID: <catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
<<Tavish comment: You don't have to tell me numerous times you're retarded Sara-
I have known you to be a retard for many years! Picture of the self confessed
mental retard: http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif
Don't even think about Nuking your confession from GOOGLE you sow because it is
archived locally by myself and others! We learned about how you say things and
then later deny doing such and how you NUKE archives and then act as though we
made it all up such as your Torture S&M Bondage works which some of us had the
foresight to archive figuring you would NUKE them!>>
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SARA SALZMAN HAD TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN SHE MADE A SELF ADMISSION ABOUT
HER RETARDATION AND WE HAVE HER WORDS BELOW TO PROVE WHAT SHE STATED ABOVE HAS
TO BE TRUE!!
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/defaec4891d9856a
(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies1)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Who Are the Liars? aka Re: Yo, idiotchild...
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:50:03 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-B21D13...@news.giganews.com>
"You can scream in caps all you want, but I have never lied... Sara"
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"I have, Dr. Homeland, NEVER lied to anyone. Not in this forum, not to
the police, not to the media... Sara"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a31eefeec1d87ece
(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies3)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: David Michael -- insane?
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:45:23 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-524FEE...@news.giganews.com>
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I, unlike you Sara, did quote you in full context and I gave the URLs so
everyone may verify the above which you won't do when you "quote" me!
yitz...@lycos.com
> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>
> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product
of
> Jewish folks.
> Please post them in small easily absorbed morsels. We have many new
> curious readers.
> Thank you.
The following list of major Gentile Communist figures
was compiled for satiric purposes, but I tried to make
it as accurate as possible.
So here it is: an answer to all the net-Nazis
who try to convince us that the major Communist figures
were "mainly" or "mostly" or "almost exclusively" Jewish.
What follows contains no polemic, but only facts
(aside from a few snide observations). So
without further ado, the list that pushes back
the last frontier of ignorance, the list of
COMMIE GOYIM!!!!!!!
François Noël Babeuf ("French revolutionary, organizer of
a communist uprising against the Directory . . . he formed
a secret society that plotted to overthrow the government;
it became known as the Conspiracy of the Equals . . . ."
"Although many thinkers in the past expressed ideas that
were similar to later socialism, the first theorist
who may properly be called socialist was François Noël
Babeuf . . . ." Columbia Encyclopedia, articles on Babeuf
and Socialism)
Louis Auguste Blanqui ("Inspired by Babeuf, [Blanqui] coined the
phrase 'dictatorship of the proletariat' and devoted
his life to achieveing it through conspiratorial means. . ."
Pipes, Conspiracy, p. 78.)
Etienne Cabet (French Socialist, author of Voyage en Icarie,
the word "communism" was initially associated with his
ideas)
Engels (Never forget that The Communist Manifesto
was originally written in German
by two guys named Karl and Friedrich.)
BOLSHEVIKS:
Alexander Bogdanov (Important early Bolshevik theorist, Had broken
with Lenin by the time of the revolution.)
Lenin (5th on Rudolph Rummel's list of the "This Century's Bloodiest
Dictators" http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.4.GIF )
Stalin (Most blood-stained person who ever lived, #1 on Rummel's list)
Georgi Konstantinovich "Sergo" Ordzhonikidze (Soviet leader
in Armenia and Georgia, Politburo member under Stalin, Beria
and Mikoyan both named sons "Sergo" after him)
Felix Dzerzhinsky (Founder, in 1918, of the Checka secret
police agency, precursor organization of the GPU, OGPU, NKVD,
and KGB)
Nikolai Bukharin (Major Bolshevik theoretician, Politburo Member,
Editor of Pravda)
Lev Borisovich Kamenev (Member of the Original Politburo,
Often mistakenly identified as a Jew although mother was non-Jew,
Originally sided with Stalin and Zinoviev against Trotsky but
forced out by Stalin along with Zinoviev in 1926)
Anatoli Vasilyevich Lunacharsky (Revolutionary, Literary Figure,
Commissar of Education 1917-29)
Nikolai N. Krestinski (Member of First Politburo along with Lenin,
Stalin, Kamenev, and Trotsky)
Georgi Vasilyevich Chicherin (Foreign Comissar/Minister,
succeeding Trotsky, until 1928)
Aleksey Ivanovich Rykov (Commissar for the Interior after 1917,
Politburo member under Lenin and Stalin, Premier from 1924-1931,
Sided with Stalin against Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Trotsky but
fell afoul of Stalin shortly afterwards)
Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin (Chairman of Central Executive Committee
1919-1946, Politburo Member 1925-46)
Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko ("Leading Bolshevik. Commanded storming of
Winter Palace in october 1917; held important military, political,
legal and diplomatic posts after Revolution. Disappeared during
purges" All Stalin's Men, p. 173)
Nadezhda Konstantinovna Krupskaya (Mrs. Lenin, Prominent Bolshevik)
Aleksandra Mikhailovna Kollontai (Prominent Bolshevik, Feminist,
People's Commissar for Welfare)
Alexander Shlyapnikov (People's Commissar for Labor until Oct.
1918, later Central Committee Member, Leader--with Kollontai--
of "Worker's Opposition")
Nikolai Vasilyevich Krylenko (Military comissar and
later heavily involved in political trials and purges
until he was purged hinmself in 1938)
Inessa Armand (Prominent Bolshevik, Feminist, Lenin's Mistress)
STALIN'S RULE:
Kliment Voroshilov (Active Bolshevik prior to revolution,
Major Red Army commander during civil war, Close associate
of Stalin, Politburo Member under Stalin, Out of favor under
Khruschev, restored to Central Committee in 1966)
Vyacheslav Rudolfovich Menzhinsky (Succeeded Dzerzhinsky as head
of NKVD in 1926)
Nikolai Yezhov (Head of NKVD 1936-1938, replacing Yagoda,
Wave of terror known as "Yezhovshchina")
Lavrenti Beria (Head of Soviet Georgia and Transcaucasia,
Head of NKVD from 1938 until Stalin's Death, Probably second
most powerful figure in Stalin's government for much
of that time and certainly the most hated and feared,
Deputy Premier under Malenkov)
Nikolai Bulganin (Defense Minister under Stalin, briefly
succeeded Malenkov as Premier)
Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev
Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov (Early editor of Pravda prior
to revolution, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars
after Rykov, then Foreign Minister, negotiated non-agression pact
between Soviets and Nazi Germany, According to Roy Medvedev,
"In 1932 he played a particularly sinister part in the
Ukraine, where he directed the state grain-procurement
opeations in the southern provinces; after his intervention
the southern Ukraine was gripped by a terrible famine that
carried off millions," All Stalin's Men, p. 87)
Georgi Maksimilianovich Malenkov (Politburo member, Deputy
Premier under Stalin, briefly succeeded Stalin as Premier)
Mikhail Tomsky (Politburo Member, Trade Union Leader,
Another major figure in the power struggles that
eventually led to the consolidation of Stalin's power)
Andrei Aleksandrovich Zhdanov (Central Committee Secretary,
Rival of Malenkov, Anti-Semite)
Stanislav Vikent'evich Kosior (Ukrainian First Secretary,
Reported to have said the following: " . . . the peasant
is adopting a new tactic. He refuses to reap the harvest.
He wants the bread grain to die in order to choke the
Soviet government with the bony hand of famine. We will
show him what famine is." Harvest of Sorrow, p. 221)
Pavel Petrovich Postyshev ("Postyshev was, in fact, Stalin's
effective plenipotenitary in the task of 'Bolshevizing' the
Ukrainian party and extracting further grain from the
starving Ukrainian villages" Harvest of Sorrow, p. 241.)
Grigori Ivanovich Petrovsky ("When a factory official told Petrovsky
that his employees were talking of five million people having already
died and asked what he should tell them, he is quoted as answering,
'Tell them nothing! What they say is true. We know millions are dying.
That is unfortunate, but the glorious future of the Soviet Union will
justify that. Tell them nothing!'" Harvest of Sorrow, p. 325.)
Anastas Ivanovich Mikoyan (Armenian Communist Party head,
Chairman of the USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium, Politburo
member.)
Sergei Mironovich Kirov (Active in Party from Civil War, Politburo
Member under Stalin, Stalin used his assassination--which he probably
ordered himself--as a pretext for getting rid of Zinoviev, Rykov, and
Kamenev.)
Andrei Yanuarievich Vyshinsky (Chief Prosecutor of Soviet Union
1935-1939)
OTHER POLITBURO MEMBERS UNDER STALIN:
Valerian Vladimirovich Kuibyshev
Vlas Yakovlevich Chubar'
Yan Ernestovich Rudzutak
Aleksandr Sergeevich Shcherbakov
Andrei Andreevich Andreev
Nikolai Aleksandrovich Uglanov
Robert Ivanovich Eikhe
Sergei I. Syrtsov
NKVD OFFICIALS
Roman Aleksndrovich Pillyar (Deputy Head of Counterespionage 1921-1926)
Eduard Petrovich Berzin (Head of Dalstroy 1932-1937)
Karp Aleksandrovich Pavlov (Head of Dalstroy and Kolyma camp 1937-40)
Ivan Fedorovich Nikishev (Nov 1938-Dec 1939 Head of Khabarovsk NKVD,
Candidate
Member of Central Committee 1939-52, Head of Dalstroy 1940-1946)
DEFENDANTS AT BUKHARIN TRIAL 1937:
Pavel Petrovich Bulanov (Yagoda's Secretary)
Georgi E. Prokoviev (Deputy Head OGPU 1932, Deputy People's
Commissar NKVD 1935-1936, Deputy People's Commissar for
Communications until 1937)
Georgi Aleksandrovich Molchanov (Head of Secret Political Dept GUGB,
In charge of Zinoviev case)
Aleksandr M Shanin (Head Transport Department GUGB, Commissar
GB Grade 2 November 1935)
Stanislaw Frantsevich Redens (Head of NKVD Administration in Moscow
under Yagoda, Stalin's wife's sister's husband)
YEZHOV PERIOD:
Mikhail Petrovich Frinovsky (October 1936-Fall 1938 Deputy People's
Commissar NKVD, one of Yezhov's two top henchmen along with Zakovsky)
Leonid Mikhailovich Zakovsky ("Zakovski is reported as saying that he
could
soon make Karl Marx confess to being an agent of Bismark. Dzerzhinski,
when
he had called him at the Smolny to be one of the founding members of
the
Checka, had said that the orginazation needed 'manly, fearless, bold'
officers
of his type. Over the past few years these qualities had all been
manifested
in the torturing and framing of his old comrades, in a manner which
illuminates
much sentimental nonsense about the brotherhood of the revolutionaries,
the pure-heartedness of the Old Bolsheviks." Conquest, Inside Stalin's
Secret Police, p. 57)
Nikolai Galaktionovich Nikolaev-Zhurid (Old Checkist, Old Bolshevik,
Leningrad OGPU,
Head of Special Department Fall 1938)
Nikolai Nikolayevich Federov (Head of Odessa NKVD, Member Supreme
Soviet)
Grigory Fedorovich Gorbach (Head of Novosibirsk NKVD 1937, Member
Supreme Soviet)
NKVD OFFICIALS--BERIA PROTEGES (KNOWN AS "BERIA'S GANG"):
Bogdan Kobulov (Deputy head of NKVD under Beria, with Serov oversaw
deportation of Crimean Tartars and other national groups,
Involved in day-to-day operation of the Gulag)
Ivan Aleksandrovich Serov (Deputy Head of NKVD along with Kobulov,
Head of KGB 1954-1958 "Ivan Serov was awarded the Order of Suvorov,
First Class, reserved for major victories in the field, on March 9
1944--that is, immediately after the largest of his deportation
operations, that of the Chechen-Ingush. He was later made a
Hero of the Soviet Union and received a number of other orders."
Conquest, The Nation Killers, p. 82)
Vsevolod Nikolayevich Merkulov (Head of NKGB 1941-1946, briefly head
of MGB in 1946)
Sergei Goglidze (Head of Leningrad NKVD, Later Deputy Minister
of State Security and Chief of Third Directorate of MGB)
Vladimir Dekanozov (Head of GUGB Foreign Department,
1953 Minister MVD Georgia)
Lavrentii Tsanava (1921-33 Checka-OGPU in Caucasus,
1938-1952 Head of Belorussia NKVD)
Grigorii Karanadze ( Head of Crimea NKVD 1938-1942,
1952 People's Commissar NKVD/MVD Georgia)
Aleksei Sadzhaia (Head of Uzbekistan NKVD)
Amaiak Kobulov (Brother of Bogdan, Head of Ukraine NKVD 1939,
NKVD Uzbekistan 1943)
Mikhail Gvishiani (Head of Far East NKVD, His son Dzhermen--
named after Dzerzhinsky and Menzhinsky--was married to Kosygin's
daughter)
Avksentii Rapava (1941-1948 Head of Georgia NKVD then NKGB, MGB)
M. D. Bagirov (Head of the Communist Party in Azerbaijan)
MVD-MGB-KGB OFFICIALS:
Sergei Kruglov (Briefly head of NKVD, MVD first deputy, Major
subordinate of Beria, but joined Khrushchev against Beria)
Viktor Semyonovich Abakumov (Head of MGB 1946-1951, Technically
another of Beria's subordinates, but independent of Beria and a rival
to Merkulov)
Sergey Ogoltsov (Head of MGB July 14 1951 - August 9 1951)
Semyon Denisovich Ignatiyev (Head of MGB 1951-1953, Since
he had been part of the Zhdanov faction, his appointment
was a blow to Beria)
Aleksandr Nikolayevich Shelepin (Head of KGB 1958-1961,
Supported Khrushchev's rise to power and was also involved
in his removal)
Vladimir Yefimovich Semichastniy (Head of KGB 1961-1967,
Also heavily involved in Khrushchev's removal)
[See "LATER USSR FIGURES" for Andropov]
Vitaliy Vasilyevich Fedorchuk (Head of KGB May 26 1982 - December 17
1982)
Viktor Mikhaylovich Chebrikov (Head of KGB 1982-1988)
Vladimir Aleksandrovich Kryuchkov (Head of KGB 1988-1991)
LATER USSR FIGURES:
Mikhail Andreyevich Suslov (Ideological watchdog maintaining purity of
communist doctrine, Central Committee member from 1941, Supported both
Khruschev's rise to power and his downfall)
Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
Alexei Nikolayevich Kosygin (Succeeded Khrushchev as Premier in 1964,
initially shared power with Brezhnev although power later declined)
Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov (Head of KGB 1967-1982, General Secretary
of Communist Party 1982-1984)
(See: http://edwardjayepstein.com/archived/andropov.htm)
Konstantin Chernenko (Party General Secretary and Chairman of
Presiduim after Andropov's death)
Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev (Chernenko's successor)
MISCELLANEOUS:
Josip Broz Tito (9th on Rummel's list of "This Century's
Century's Bloodiest Dictators")
Aleksandar Rankovic (Tito's second in command 1948-1966)
Vulko Chervenkov (Dictator of Bulgaria 1950-1956)
Todor Zhikov (Dictator of Bulgaria 1956-1989)
Mao Tse-Tung (2nd on Rummel's list)
Zhou Enlai (Chinese Premier 1949-1976)
Zhu De (Military leader and later Deputy Chairman of Communist China)
Lin Biao (Second only to Mao in China in the late 60's, Compiler of
the Little Red Book)
Liu Shaoqi (Mao's leading deputy in 50's and early 60's)
Kang Sheng (Chinese Secret Police Chief)
Jiang Qing (Mrs. Mao, the rest of the "Gang of Four" follow)
Wang Hongwen
Yao Wenyuan
Zhang Chunqiao
Deng Xiaoping ( http://www.laogai.org/comment/dissent.htm )
Jiang Zemin (Chinese Communist Party General Secretary 1989-2002,
President 1993-2003, Emerged as major leader and Deng's successor
in wake of suppression of pro-democracy movement.)
Hu Jintao (Currrent Chinese Leader)
Pol Pot (7th on Rummel's list)
Nuon Chea (Deputy General Secretary of Cambodia's
Communist Party, Number Two man in Pol Pot's regime, heavily
implicated in torture, mass-murder, and repression)
Ieng Sary (Pol Pot's brother-in-law, Minister of Foreign Affairs)
Khieu Samphan (Cambodian Head of State under Pol Pot)
János Kádár (Head of Communist Hungary 1956-1988)
Boleslaw Bierut (Leader of Communist Poland:
President of Communist Poland 1947-1952,
First Secretary of Central Committee 1948-1956)
Józef Cyrankiewicz (Polish Politburo member 1948-1971,
Prime Minister 1947-1952, Deputy Premier 1952-1954,
Prime Minister 1954-1970)
Marian Spychalski (Polish General, PPR-PUWP
Politburo member 1945-1949, 1959-1970)
Zenon Nowak (Polish Central Committee, Politburo
member, Secretary of Central Committee 1950-1954,
Deputy Premier until 1968)
Stanislaw Radkiewicz (Polish Minister of Public Security
1945-1954)
Wladyslaw Gomulka (Head of Communist Poland 1956-1970)
Edward Gierek (Head of Communist Poland 1970-1980)
Gheorgehe Gheorghiu-Dej (According to Dennis Deletant,
instituted "police terror" in Communist Romania)
Nicolae Ceausescu (Dej's successor, Head of Communist Romania
1965-1989--why are so many of these guys named "Nikolai"?)
Elena Ceaucescu (Ceaucescu's wife, major figure in Ceaucescu's
government, promoted cult of personality surrounding Ceaucescu)
Tudor Postelnicu (Promoted to Interior Minister of Romania in 1987,
head of dreaded Securitate security service up to that point)
Iulian Vlad (Following Postelnicu's promotion, succeeded him
as Head of Securitate)
George Nicolae Doicaru (Head of Securitate at time of 1978 defection
of Ion Pacepa)
Walter Ulbricht (Head of East Germany 1950-1971, Built Berlin Wall,
sent troops to help Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia)
Erich Honecker (Succeeded Ulbricht)
Wilhelm Zaisser (Head of Stasi 1950-1953)
Ernst Wollweber (Head of Stasi 1953-1957)
Erich Mielke (Head of Stasi 1957-1989)
Willi Stoph (East German Politburo Member, Minister of Internal
Affairs and Minister for National Defense during 1950's, became
Chairman of Council of Ministers in 1964)
Mengistu Haile Mariam (Communist dictator of Ethiopia 1977-1991,
When the Soviet regime collapsed, so did his.)
Fidel Castro
Raul Castro (Fidel's younger brother and designated heir, Defense
Minister)
Felipe Perez Roque (Cuban Foreign Affairs Minister)
Carlos Lage (Cuban Vice President)
Kim Il Sung (Head of North Korea 1948-94)
Kim Jong Il (Son of the above)
Kim Yong Nam (Presidium President of the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea Supreme People's Assembly, i.e. Kim Jong
Il's second in command--not to be confused with Kim Jong Nam,
KJI's now out-of-favor oldest son)
Jang Song Thaek (KJI's brother in law--Deputy Head
of the Korean Central Committee)
Fusako Shigenobu (Head of Japanese Red Army)
Andreas Baader, Ulrike Meinhof (Baader-Meinhof Gang)
William Z. Foster (U.S. Communist party candidate for President 1924,
1928, 1932)
Earl Russell Browder (U.S. Communist party candidate for President
1936, 1940)
Gus Hall (U.S. Communist Party candidate for President 1972, 1976,
1980, 1984)
Jarvis Tyner (Hall's running mate in 1972 and 1976)
Angela Davis (Civil rights activist and philosopher, Gus Hall's
vice-presidential candidate in 1980 and 1984.)
Enver Hoxha (Leader of Communist Albania 1946-1985)
Ramiz Alia (Hoxha's successor)
Klement Gottwald (President of Communist Czechoslovakia 1948-1953)
Gustave Husak (Leader of Czechoslovakia after suppression of
"Prague Spring.")
Otto Vilgelmovich Kuusinen (Finnish communist, exiled
to the USSR after Finnish independence was consolidated
following WW I and the civil war that ensued, headed failed
Soviet-supported bogus Terijojki government after Soviet
attack on Finland in 1939, eventually rose to be the only
foreign-born member of the Soviet Politburo.)
Hertta Kuusinen (Finnish communist leader, Otto's
daughter, In a notorious 1948 speech shortly after
the communist take-over in Czechoslovakia she
stated "Czechoslovakia's way will be our way.")
Antanas Snieckus (Grand old man of Lithuanian communism,
Lived in exile in the USSR, but tried repeatedly to subvert
the Lithuanian state. Lithuanian Communist Party head after
country incorporated into USSR. Defied Moscow
and built his own brand of Lithuanian communism.)
Arvid Yanovich Pelshe (Latvian Communist Party head, head
of the Soviet Communist Party Control Committee and responsible
for internal migration policies, including deportations,
ethnic dilutions, and policies leading to de facto
Russification of non-Russian republics)
Renato Curcio (Red Brigades)
Alberto Franceschini (Red Brigades)
Mario Moretti (Red Brigades, negotiated mutual aid pact with PLO)
Ho Chi Minh
Do Muoi (Became General Secretary of Vietnamese Communist Party in
1991)
Le Kha Phieu (Became General Secretary of Vietnamese
Communist Party in 1997)
Nong Duc Manh (Current General Secretary of Vietnamese Commuunist
Party)
Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, "Carlos the Jackal"
Ernesto Che Guevara
George Habash, PFLP
Wadi Haddad, PFLP
Leila Khaled, PFLP
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Albats, Yevgenia. The State Within a State: The KGB and
Its Hold on Russia--Past, Present, and Future. New York:
Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1994
Conquest, Robert. Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization
and the Terror-Famine. Oxford, 1986.
-----. Inside Stalin's Secret Police: NKVD Politics 1936-1939.
Stanford University, Hoover Institution Press, 1985.
-----. Kolyma: The Arctic Death Camps. Viking Press, 1978.
-----. The Nation Killers: The Soviet Deportation of Nationalities.
MacMillan, 1960.
Courtois, Stephane, et. al. The Black Book of Communism.
Harvard, 1999.
Deletant, Dennis. Ceausescu and the Securitate: Coercion
and Dissent in Romania, 1965-1989.
Armonk, N.Y.: M. E. Sharpe, 1995
Jansen, Marc and Nikita Petrov. Stalin's Loyal Executioner:
People's Commissar Nikolai Ezhov 1895-1940.
Stanford University, Hoover Institution Press, 2002.
Knight, Amy. Beria: Stalin's first Lieutenant. Princeton, 1993.
Medvedev, Roy. All Stalin's Men: Six Who Carried Out the Bloody
Policies. Trans. Harold Shukman. Anchor Press/Doubleday, 1984.
Pipes, Daniel. Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where
it Comes From. The Free Press, 1997
Pipes, Richard. A Concise History of the Russian Revolution.
Vintage Books, 1996.
Rummel, R. J. Death by Government. Transaction, 1994.
Service, Robert. Lenin: A Biography. Harvard, 2000.
Toronska, Teresa. "Them": Stalin's Polish Puppets.
New York: Harper and Row, 1987.
WEB SOURCES RELEVANT TO MORE THAN ONE ENTRY:
Source for some MGB, KGB entries: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
Columbia Encyclopedia: http://www.encyclopedia.com/
Rummel's List: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.4.GIF
Who was Who in Poland: http://polish-jewish-heritage.org/Eng/prl.htm
Good List of Soviet Officials
with Nationalities Noted: http://holocaust.skeptik.net/misc/party.htm
APPENDIX 1
According to Benjamin Pinkus (The Jews of the Soviet Union,
Cambridge University Press, 1988, p. 83.):
"If we take all three sectors of the administration,
it emerges that of the 417 people who constituted the
ruling elite of the Soviet Union in the mid 1920s (the
members of the Central Executive Committee, the Party
Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the
Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the Ministers,
and the Chairman of the Executive Committee),
twenty-seven (that is 6%) were Jews."
********************************************************************
(Thanks to Eugene Holman for entries on Mikoyan, Suslov,
the Kuusinens, Pelshe, Snieckus, and Angela Davis. Thanks to
Sergei Romanov for information on nationality of NKVD
officials.)
Hope you enjoyed it,
Yitz
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>
>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>> Jewish folks.
>
>Communism was a product of Germans.
False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
BTW the Communists who were trying to Sovietize Germany were all Jews! Care to
deny my proofs?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
>Karl Marx was a German.
FALSE!! Marx was a Jew who had lived in Germany!
I.E.
Chabad-Lubavitch in Cyberspace
http://www.chabad.org/index.html
Using the search link: http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/ which is Chabad
Lubavitch in Cyberspace and key words KARL MARX COMMUNIST MANIFESTO we get:
Baal Shem Tov
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+cwwBmewPQdeYGq0qenA...
(Archived locally as: Fqmwcc_context)
Happy Birthday, Baal Shem Tov! by Tzvi Freeman, author of "Bringing Heaven Down
to Earth - 365 Meditations of the Rebbe"
Excerpt: " By the way, that year -- 1848 -- also occupies a central place in the
secular calendar. It was called the "year of revolutions" in Europe, the most
significant year in the fall of the old order. And another major work by a very
different Jewish author was published: The Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx."
<END>
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html
(Archived locally as: hist-guide_marx)
"The philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary, Karl Marx, is
without a doubt the most influential socialist thinker to emerge in the 19th
century. Although he was largely ignored by scholars in his own lifetime, his
social, economic and political ideas gained rapid acceptance in the socialist
movement after his death in 1883. Until quite recently almost half the
population of the world lived under regimes that claim to be Marxist... Karl
Heinrich Marx was born into a comfortable middle-class home in Trier on the
river Moselle in Germany on May 5, 1818. He came from a long line of rabbis on
both sides of his family..." <END>
>Friedrich Engels was a German.
So what?
>So how come we don't hear you and your fellow traveller Tavish, and the
>rest of your foolish ilk, ranting and raving about the evils of Germans?
Diversion noted as well as the personal attack!
Look at which group of people mainly engage in personal attacks because they
have run out of arguments!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
>tim gueguen 101867
Jews don't claim the "host nation" they live in as being their nationality!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They
Reside In! V3.0b S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:40:23 -0600
Message-ID: <hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com>
Excerpt
FOREWORD: As each and everyone of you read the teachings Jews themselves write
and teach below regarding how they perceive the nation they "inhabit" keep in
mind the following quote:
"There are no English, French, German or American Jews, but only Jews living in
England, France, Germany or America."
Chaim Weizmann, Zionist Leader, on August 29, 1897,
at the First Zionist Congress at Basle, Switzerland
Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They Reside
In!
Tavish
Ed Asner=Jew & Stalin Admirer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100137,00.html
(Link active November 3, 2003. Archived locally: ASSner_stalin)
Wednesday October 25, 2003
by Brit Hume
FOX NEWS
A Stalin Admirer?
Actor Ed Asner [was] asked to choose the historical figure he respected
most and would like to play some day responded, "My answer would have to be Joe
Stalin ... I think Joe Stalin was a guy that was hugely misunderstood."
Asner did not say what it was about the Soviet dictator, under whom
millions more died than in Hitler's Holocaust, that was misunderstood. <END>
http://www.horizonmag.com/1/asner.htm
(Link active November 4, 2003. Archived locally as: commie_jew_ASSner)
"...[Ed] Asner was raised in a traditional Orthodox Jewish family... <END>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"For pure murderous evil, there has never been a force to compare with
Communism. The Nazis didn't come close. The Holocaust was uniquely
malignant - never before or since did one people construct a vast industry
of death for the sole purpose of rounding up and destroying every single member
of another people. But the Nazis exterminated 11 million innocents; the
Communist death toll surpasses 100 million."
TO THE VICTIMS OF COMMUNISM, LEST WE FORGET
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe
December 7, 1995
http://www.physics.ncat.edu/~michael/vses/eth4000/victim.html
(Link active June 22, 2003. Archived locally as: eth4000_victim)
See the entire contents the above was excerpted from with his link:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=jrqdrvs5ap8db078d0vhtvik326q56s621%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: Comrade Ed Asner on Comrade Joseph Stalin (He's a Jew and a Member of
the Democratic Socialists of America!!) V2.1 R_1115
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Recompiled information on DSA:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=fngd20hhnqv51a0oltui57sm0u2si62a5d%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Democratic Socialists in Congress, Their Agenda, Their Values, and
Their FIGHTING Songs! V3.0 S_0208
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Date: 8 Feb 2004 23:12:27 GMT
Gray Shockley
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:52:52 GMT, <ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no> "tim
> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> <sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>> news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>
>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>> Jewish folks.
>>
>> Communism was a product of Germans.
>
> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
While others say it came from an "international Jew"
named Jesus Christ.
And then there's this guy called "Doc" because he performs
so many abortions. (Apparently trying to regain "his" lost
childhood.)
Gray Shockley
-------------------------------------------
For every complex problem there is an answer
that is clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
news:eti221l6qa9b6ckh3...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:52:52 GMT, <ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no> "tim
> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>
>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>> Jewish folks.
>>
>>Communism was a product of Germans.
>
> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
>
educated in Germany. He was baptisted a Lutheran, a Christian denomination
developed and common in Germany. Then of course there's his collaborator
Friedrich Engels, also a German. So given your illogical mindset you should
be ranting and raving about the evils of Germans since it was a pair of
Germans that developed and promulgated Communism. But hey, denying
historical fact is something fools like Tavish are experts at.
tim gueguen 101867
Michael Martin-Smith
issue of this?news:4ebUd.517323$Xk.493254@pd7tw3no...
Michael Martin-Smith
and was engineered by very few, if any, Jews at all! A recent Economic
Minister and Premier, Zhu Rongji, was depite his Jewish sounding name, not a
Jew. Neither were Lin Biao, Zhou Enlai Liu Shao-chi, or Deng Xiaoping. Nor
yet were Vo Nguyen Giap , Ieng Sary, Saloth Sar, Ho Chi minh , Mengistu
Haile Mariam, Benito Mussolini, or the Countess Elisabeth de Batori.
Nor , with due apologies to Amigocabal, were Genghiz Khan,Ogodei Khan,
Mongke Khan, Batu , Subodai, Hulagu , or Khubilai Khan .
On the matter of Jews these latter folk were commendably neutral!
It is possible to conclude that both Jews and Gentiles are capable of doing
great wrong - no more, no less!
Seems to be a human failing - we will have to overcome it somehow if we are
to have a longterm human(e) future on this or any other planet - but
targetting "the Jews" is NOT going to help - it never solved anything and
never will
The same viciousness could well be true of Bolivians or Hottentots, given
the chance - and was certainly true of Aztecs
Michael Martin-Smith
<yitz...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1109480386.3...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
sc...@free.info
<lagr...@lagrangia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It is possible to conclude that both Jews and Gentiles are capable of doing
>great wrong - no more, no less!
Agreed, but who has the worst reputation in the world community?
"Any people who have been persecuted for 2000 years
must be doing something wrong" -Henry Kissinger
The expulsions of jews from Host Nations:
415 Alexandria
554 Diocese of Clement (France)
561 Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 Visigoth Spain
642 Visigoth Empire
855 Italy
876 Sens
1012 Mayence
1181 France
1290 England
1306 France
1348 Switzerland
1349 Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 Hungary
1388 Strasbourg
1394 Germany
1394 France and French Domains, by King Charles
1422 Austria
1424 Fribourg & Zurich
1426 Cologne
1432 Savory
1438 Mainz
1439 Augsburg
1446 Bavaria
1453 Franconis
1453 Breslau
1454 Wurzburg
1485 Vincenza (Italy)
1492 Spain, by Proclamation of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella
1492-93 Sicily
1495 Lithuania
1496-97 Portugal
1499 Germany
1510 Naples
1514 Strasbourg
1519 Regensburg
1519 Ratisbon, Germany
1527 Florence
1540 Naples
1542 Bohemia
1550 Genoa
1551 Bavaria
1555 Pesaro
1559 Austria
1561 Prague
1567 Wurzburg, Genoese Republic
1569 All Papal Territory except Rome and Ancona
1571 Brandenburg
1582 Netherlands
1593 Brandenburg, Austria
1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1598 Genoa, Italy
1614 Frankfort
1615 Worms
1619 Kiev
1649 Ukraine
1654 LittleRussia
1656 Lithuania
1669 Oran (North Africa)
1670 Vienna, by Emperor Leopold I
1683 French Possessions in America, by King Louis XIV
1712 Sandomir
1727 Russia
1738 Wurtemburg
1739-40 LittleRussia
1744 Bohemia
1744 Livonia
1745 Moravia
1753 Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 Bordeaux
1772 Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia)
1774 Prague, Bohemia and Moravia
1775 Warsaw
1789 Alace
1804 Villages in Russia
1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 Lubeck & Bremen
1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 Bremes
1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction
1866 Galatz, Romania
1917 Jaffa and Tel Aviv, by Turkish Authorities
1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1937 Germany
1938-45 Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 Arab Countries (International Jewish Encyclopedia)
>but
>targetting "the Jews" is NOT going to help
Might help them adjust to the world community.
>it never solved anything and
>never will
"Any people who have been persecuted for 2000 years
must be doing something wrong" -Henry Kissinger
sc...@free.info
<lagr...@lagrangia.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>presumably if they had been Bolivians no-one would be making much of an
>issue of this?
If that were the case, Bolivians would be reading this in their ng's.
Jake
> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> ><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
> >news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
> >> Dear Doctor Tavish,
> >>
> >> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
> >> Jewish folks.
> >
> >Communism was a product of Germans.
>
> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
Am I the only one who's fucking LOL here? And speaking of fascist
dictators, Hitler was the worst one of them all, and he certainly
wasn't a jew. And why should it matter what religion someone is? Would
all these fucking nazis please get a life?
> Diversion noted as well as the personal attack!
>
> Look at which group of people mainly engage in personal attacks because they
> have run out of arguments!
And look at which group have absolutely no sense of humour about
themselves. I'm not quite sure Tavish is aware that everyone else is
taking the piss.
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>news:eti221l6qa9b6ckh3...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:52:52 GMT, <ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no> "tim
>> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>>news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>
>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>
>>>Communism was a product of Germans.
>>
>> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
>>
>Marx was a German, pinhead. He was born in German, raised in Germany,
>educated in Germany.
That still means nothing to Jews!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They
Reside In! V3.0b S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:40:23 -0600
Message-ID: <hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com>
Excerpt
FOREWORD: As each and everyone of you read the teachings Jews themselves write
and teach below regarding how they perceive the nation they "inhabit" keep in
mind the following quote:
"There are no English, French, German or American Jews, but only Jews living in
England, France, Germany or America."
Chaim Weizmann, Zionist Leader, on August 29, 1897,
at the First Zionist Congress at Basle, Switzerland
PATRIOT GAMES
by Rabbi Dov Ber Weisman
<snip>
"Perhaps one may find this approach callous and marked by a display of
ingratitude to a host country which has granted us so many liberties
and in which we have prospered. Consider the following verse in
Parshat Chayei Sarah. There our father Abraham declares, "Ger v'toshav
anochi imachem - I am an alien and a resident amongst you" (Genesis
23:4). Rabbi Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, one of the greatest Talmudic
scholars and thinkers of the past generation, explains that with this
statement our father Abraham expressed the dual mission of each
and every Jew on foreign soil. On one hand, he is a resident of the
country and therefore it is incumbent for him to work and pray for the
welfare of the government (see Jeremiah 29:7). But on the other hand,
a Jew must always remember he is an alien in this country no matter
how well and prosperous the moment might be."
[...]
http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/leff/archives/vayigash.htm
(Link active June 25, 2003. Archived locally as: vayigash)
<snip> [Scroll down to last paragraphs.]
Chazal tell us that the study halls and shuls in galus are parts of
Eretz Yisrael transplanted to foreign soil. It is in them and around
them that we must build a temporary physical dwelling place that is
spiritually rooted in the holiness and purity of Eretz Yisrael. As
long as one is physically prevented from being in Eretz Yisrael, he
must transplant Eretz Yisrael to foreign soil....
<End of excerpt>
Hardly looks like Jews truly consider themselves to be citizens of whatever
nation they live in!
>He was baptisted a Lutheran, a Christian denomination developed and common in Germany.
He was still a Jew and the only reason why he was baptized a Lutheran was
because of his parents wanting to hide their ethnicity! Care to deny these facts
or are you going to hurl more insults?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/marx.html <New Link>
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/marx.html
(Link active July 17, 2003. Archived locally as: Kmarx)
"Karl Marx, the son of Hirschel and Henrietta Marx, was born in Trier, Germany,
in 1818. Hirschel Marx was a lawyer and to escape anti-Semitism decided to
abandon his Jewish faith when Karl was a child."
Chabad-Lubavitch in Cyberspace
http://www.chabad.org/index.html
Using the search link: http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/ which is Chabad
Lubavitch in Cyberspace and key words KARL MARX COMMUNIST MANIFESTO we get:
(Archived locally as: Fqmwcc_context)
Happy Birthday, Baal Shem Tov! by Tzvi Freeman, author of "Bringing Heaven Down
to Earth - 365 Meditations of the Rebbe"
Excerpt: " By the way, that year -- 1848 -- also occupies a central place in the
secular calendar. It was called the "year of revolutions" in Europe, the most
significant year in the fall of the old order. And another major work by a very
different Jewish author was published: The Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx."
<END>
>Then of course there's his collaborator Friedrich Engels, also a German.
>So given your illogical mindset you should be ranting and raving about the
>evils of Germans since it was a pair of Germans that developed and promulgated
>Communism.
If communism is German as you say then why didn't the Germans adopt it instead
of Nazism? If communism is German then why is it ONLY Jews were the ones
foisting it on the rest of the Germans? CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT OR ARE YOU GOING TO
HURL MORE INSULTS!?
My proofs:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
>But hey, denying historical fact is something fools like Tavish are experts at.
Look at who is trying to steal my "Maxim of Debate" and look at which group of
people mainly engage in personal attacks because they have run out of arguments!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
MY MAXIM OF DEBATE:
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in documented FACT.
>
>
>
>tim gueguen 101867
>
>
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Alan Jones" <jons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cvr6q7$29qd$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no...
>>>
>>> <sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>> news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>
>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>
>>> Communism was a product of Germans. Karl Marx was a German. Friedrich
>>> Engels was a German. So how come we don't hear you and your fellow
>>> traveller Tavish, and the rest of your foolish ilk, ranting and raving
>>> about the evils of Germans?
>>>
>>> tim gueguen 101867
>> Marx and Engels were also Jews weren't they?
>
>Marx's parents were Jews who converted to Lutheranism, Marx being baptised a
>Lutheran at age 6.
That was a ruse to avoid "anti-semitism" which many Jews did but they weren't
true to the faith!
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/marx.html <New Link>
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/marx.html
(Link active July 17, 2003. Archived locally as: Kmarx)
"Karl Marx, the son of Hirschel and Henrietta Marx, was born in Trier, Germany,
in 1818. Hirschel Marx was a lawyer and to escape anti-Semitism decided to
abandon his Jewish faith when Karl was a child."
>I've seen no indication Engels had Jewish anscestry.
>His father was a Pietist, Pietism being a Lutheran sect.
>
>In any case the obvious question is why anyone should emphasise Marx's Jewish heritage and
>not his German heritage.
The Jews do emphasize Marx's Jewish heritage which you are trying to divert
from!
I.E.
Chabad-Lubavitch in Cyberspace
http://www.chabad.org/index.html
Using the search link: http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/ which is Chabad
Lubavitch in Cyberspace and key words KARL MARX COMMUNIST MANIFESTO we get:
Baal Shem Tov
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+cwwBmewPQdeYGq0qenAbtqyQE2PaTE2kagZTTuNfIRaTENf-0IRZtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwmDFqmwcc/context.html#hit1
(Archived locally as: Fqmwcc_context)
Happy Birthday, Baal Shem Tov! by Tzvi Freeman, author of "Bringing Heaven Down
to Earth - 365 Meditations of the Rebbe"
Excerpt: " By the way, that year -- 1848 -- also occupies a central place in the
secular calendar. It was called the "year of revolutions" in Europe, the most
significant year in the fall of the old order. And another major work by a very
different Jewish author was published: The Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx."
<END>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c30fecb221031101
Subject: ...Jews must help labor, build world socialism. (Their Very Own
Words!)... Date: 2000/09/15
Message-ID: <Ozkw5.7588$oc3.4...@news.flash.net>
Excerpt
JEWISH CREATIVE MINDS
19th and 20th Centuries C.E.
Karl Marx's broad economic view
Gave labor status, bread and shelter too;
His theories, revolutionary, new.
<End of excerpt>
Now this is a classic! An online Jewish store sells Karl Marx dolls and here is
the scoop:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archive locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Picture Image]
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif
11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
<END>
Imagine the outrage if some Christian bookstore were to sell little Adolf Hitler
dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of Nazism will
keep you company while you study."
>After all there must have been something in the millieu of 19th Century Germany
>and 19th Century German Lutheranism that influenced the ideology Marx and Engels
>would develop.
Marx was influenced by his Rabbinical lineage and his family members!
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html
(Archived locally as: hist-guide_marx)
"The philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary, Karl Marx, is
without a doubt the most influential socialist thinker to emerge in the 19th
century... Until quite recently almost half the population of the world lived
under regimes that claim to be Marxist... Karl Heinrich Marx was born into a
comfortable middle-class home in Trier on the river Moselle in Germany on May 5,
1818. He came from a long line of rabbis on both sides of his family..." <END>
If Marx had been influenced by Lutheranism then he would not have been an
Anti-Christ who detested Christians would he and as Jewess Sara Salzman stated:
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_5 and SaraSplainsAll_6)
MARX WAS INFLUENCED BY ANTI-CHRIST JUDAISM HOWEVER!!! Care to deny it?
Care to deny Judaism and Jews in general are Anti-Christic Christ Deniers
to the core?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
Message-ID: <f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
>Whatever the position one takes placing collective blame on all Jews for Communism
>because someone of Jewish heritage had a role in its creation is
>nonsensical,
I never blamed all Jews BUT the majority of the ruling elite and the propagators
and the founders of communism were Jews!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
AND
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
>just as blaming all Germans because a pair of Germans had a role in its creation would be.
Your diversion didn't work so I guess you will rely on personal attacks as your
types normally do!!
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
---
"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist regime..
[A]s you are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it. Jews are taught to uphold
the downtrodden, and that's how communism came about." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e9069e5ff23db8af?q=&rnum=9
Message-ID: <3A68592E...@his.com>
(Archived locally as: CohenCommies1 and CohenCommies2)
"I have always said that Jews were involved with the origins of Russian
communism. And I have also always said that by the time Communism got
repressive and evil..." Susan Cohen
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/48d7c2c3d24ccfb7
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:27:14 -0500
From: Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com>
Subject: Re: Scotty Makes Susan Cohen's Points for her WAS (nonsense drooled
by Scotty Bradbury)
Message-ID: <3A6D1630...@his.com>
<<But Susan-- communism was repressive and evil from the beginning!>>
(Archived locally as: CohenCommies3 and CohenCommies4)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These sources bolster Jewess Cohen's claim about Jews and Communism:
http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/desteeur.cfm
(Link active July 11, 2003. Archived locally as: desteeur)
"A disproportionate number within the revolutionary movements are Jewish...
Russian Revolutionary movement and it finally succeeds in overthrowing the Czar.
However, it subsequently brings the country into a bitter civil war. The
Communists emerge victorious. Within their ranks are a disproportionate number
of Jews..."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=159
(Active July 12, 2003. Archived locally as: oexodus)
Operation Exodus
Because the Czars treated the Jews so abominably, Jews were in the forefront of
the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. They had founded and served in many of the
leading Socialist and Bolshevik organizations. One of Lenin's closest advisors
was a Jew... <END>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:32:19 GMT, <TPdUd.518590$8l.262563@pd7tw1no> "tim
> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>>news:eti221l6qa9b6ckh3...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:52:52 GMT, <ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no> "tim
>>> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>>>news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>>
>>>>Communism was a product of Germans.
>>>
>>> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
>>>
>>Marx was a German, pinhead. He was born in German, raised in Germany,
>>educated in Germany.
>
> That still means nothing to Jews!
>
anscestory is more important than his being born and raised in Germany.
Of course the real truth about Scott Bradbury aka Doc Tavish, is that he is
a racist and antisemite who hates anyone who doesn't fit his definition of
"White." His posts speak for themselves. And as with other Holocaust
deniers one suspects that he does not actually believe the nonsense he
posts, but not only accepts the Holocaust happened, is very glad it happened
and is upset that his Nazi heroes didn't kill more Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and
gays.
tim gueguen 101867
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:35:28 GMT, <4ebUd.517323$Xk.493254@pd7tw3no> "tim
> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan Jones" <jons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:cvr6q7$29qd$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>
>>> "tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no...
>>>>
>>>> <sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>>
>>>> Communism was a product of Germans. Karl Marx was a German. Friedrich
>>>> Engels was a German. So how come we don't hear you and your fellow
>>>> traveller Tavish, and the rest of your foolish ilk, ranting and raving
>>>> about the evils of Germans?
>>>>
>>>> tim gueguen 101867
>>> Marx and Engels were also Jews weren't they?
>>
>>Marx's parents were Jews who converted to Lutheranism, Marx being baptised
>>a
>>Lutheran at age 6.
>
> That was a ruse to avoid "anti-semitism" which many Jews did but they
> weren't
> true to the faith!
>
talking Scott Bradbury, who doesn't believe a Jew can do anything honestly.
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/marx.html <New Link>
> http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/marx.html
> (Link active July 17, 2003. Archived locally as: Kmarx)
> "Karl Marx, the son of Hirschel and Henrietta Marx, was born in Trier,
> Germany,
> in 1818. Hirschel Marx was a lawyer and to escape anti-Semitism decided to
> abandon his Jewish faith when Karl was a child."
>
>>I've seen no indication Engels had Jewish anscestry.
>>His father was a Pietist, Pietism being a Lutheran sect.
>>
>>In any case the obvious question is why anyone should emphasise Marx's
>>Jewish heritage and
>>not his German heritage.
>
> The Jews do emphasize Marx's Jewish heritage\
> which you are trying to divert
> from!
>
To repeat: why is Marx's Jewish heritage more important than his German
heritage? Answer the question.
>
>>After all there must have been something in the millieu of 19th Century
>>Germany
>>and 19th Century German Lutheranism that influenced the ideology Marx and
>>Engels
>>would develop.
>
> Marx was influenced by his Rabbinical lineage and his family members!
>
> http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html
> (Archived locally as: hist-guide_marx)
> "The philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary, Karl
> Marx, is
> without a doubt the most influential socialist thinker to emerge in the
> 19th
> century... Until quite recently almost half the population of the world
> lived
> under regimes that claim to be Marxist... Karl Heinrich Marx was born into
> a
> comfortable middle-class home in Trier on the river Moselle in Germany on
> May 5,
> 1818. He came from a long line of rabbis on both sides of his family..."
> <END>
>
> If Marx had been influenced by Lutheranism then he would not have been an
> Anti-Christ who detested Christians would he and as Jewess Sara Salzman
> stated:
>
Wrong. Dislike for the religious background you were raised in doesn't stop
it from influencing you. And what about the secular parts of the 19th
Century German culture Marx lived it? Are you seriously going to
claim...ooops, I forgot, we're talking to Scott Bradbury, who claims to
believe in what would be the world's greatest and most successful
conspiracy, namely faking the mass murder of millions and convincing the
majority of humanity that it happened. If you can believe that you can
believe that the religious and cultural setting someone grew up in has no
influence on their philosophy.
>
> Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
>
>>Whatever the position one takes placing collective blame on all Jews for
>>Communism
>>because someone of Jewish heritage had a role in its creation is
>>nonsensical,
>
> I never blamed all Jews
A blatant lie by Bradbury.
>BUT the majority of the ruling elite and the propagators
> and the founders of communism were Jews!
>
And if you believe that I've got some nice beachfront property at McMurdo
Bay you might be interested in.
tim gueguen 101867
Ron Jacobson
"Of all the Jews active in politics, a relatively small
number join the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party; most
of them join the Menshevik faction after the party splits.
On the eve of the Revolution, the Bolshevik party has about
23,000 members, of which 364 are Jews."
http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/44.html
"At the end of the 1920s, Hebrew becomes the only language
which is officially outlawed in the Soviet Union. Jewish religious
education is now impossible. The only permitted expressions of
Soviet-Jewish life are secular Yiddish education, literature,
press and theater. They flourish as long as they are permitted,
until the mid 1930s."
RJ.
Doc Tavish
<tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>news:0rv4215ulurpi6j5a...@4ax.com...
What Tim can't refute and runs away from may be read in this archive in case the
thread gets fouled up:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/16f90d8676555a0d
Message-ID: <0rv4215ulurpi6j5a...@4ax.com>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:32:19 GMT, <TPdUd.518590$8l.262563@pd7tw1no> "tim
>> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>>>news:eti221l6qa9b6ckh3...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:52:52 GMT, <ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no> "tim
>>>> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>>>>news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Communism was a product of Germans.
>>>>
>>>> False! It came from an "International Jew" named Karl Marx.
>>>>
>>>Marx was a German, pinhead. He was born in German, raised in Germany,
>>>educated in Germany.
>>
>> That still means nothing to Jews!
Notice that Tim deletes all of my proofs and the lays on with the personal
attacks!
>So, are you claiming to be a Jew? After all you claim that Marx had Jewish
>anscestory is more important than his being born and raised in Germany.
>
>Of course the real truth about Scott Bradbury aka Doc Tavish, is that he is
>a racist and antisemite who hates anyone who doesn't fit his definition of
>"White." His posts speak for themselves. And as with other Holocaust
>deniers one suspects that he does not actually believe the nonsense he
>posts, but not only accepts the Holocaust happened, is very glad it happened
>and is upset that his Nazi heroes didn't kill more Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and
>gays.
IOW you can't refute what I posted! ADMIT IT!!!
Look at which group of people mainly engage in personal attacks because they
have run out of arguments!
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"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
MY MAXIM OF DEBATE:
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in documented FACT.
>tim gueguen 101867
Need I say more?
Tavish
-- The Apostle Paul says much about Pharisaic Jews in two Bible scriptures:
1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.
Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just
two verses of scripture!
He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus" which the Churches of
Christendom won't do!
3) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
least by any stretch of the imagination:
4) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."
Regarding "2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was
not the least bit bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus"!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
Pharisees?
(One example) Persecution and torture:
Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] "Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of
whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and
persecute from town to town...." [Tavish comment: The words just stated were
addressed to the Jewish Pharisee Rabbis!]
[To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing people from
town to town and flogging them in their Jewish synagogues! I don't think even
the Nazis rounded up Jews and flogged them in Christendom's Churches!! What Jews
did happened and it is documented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>news:05152154ns6plmtft...@4ax.com...
Message-ID: <05152154ns6plmtft...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/59fcbd9ca881c923
The link above is to the post Tim replied to foranyone who wants to see how Tim
butchered my post.
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:35:28 GMT, <4ebUd.517323$Xk.493254@pd7tw3no> "tim
>> gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Alan Jones" <jons...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cvr6q7$29qd$1...@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:ER8Ud.515849$Xk.502544@pd7tw3no...
>>>>>
>>>>> <sc...@free.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:m5m121hnbve7b7cqu...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Dear Doctor Tavish,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would please post your series of proofs that communism is a product of
>>>>>> Jewish folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Communism was a product of Germans. Karl Marx was a German. Friedrich
>>>>> Engels was a German. So how come we don't hear you and your fellow
>>>>> traveller Tavish, and the rest of your foolish ilk, ranting and raving
>>>>> about the evils of Germans?
>>>>>
>>>>> tim gueguen 101867
>>>> Marx and Engels were also Jews weren't they?
>>>
>>>Marx's parents were Jews who converted to Lutheranism, Marx being baptised
>>>a Lutheran at age 6.
>>
>> That was a ruse to avoid "anti-semitism" which many Jews did but they
>> weren't true to the faith!
>>
>And your proof that the Marxs were like that is? Ooops, I forgot, we're
>talking Scott Bradbury, who doesn't believe a Jew can do anything honestly.
Historical precedence that some Jews will mask their identities to stave off any
resistance etc.
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/marx.html <New Link>
>> http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/marx.html
>> (Link active July 17, 2003. Archived locally as: Kmarx)
>> "Karl Marx, the son of Hirschel and Henrietta Marx, was born in Trier,
>> Germany, in 1818. Hirschel Marx was a lawyer and to escape anti-Semitism decided to
>> abandon his Jewish faith when Karl was a child."
>>
>>>I've seen no indication Engels had Jewish anscestry.
>>>His father was a Pietist, Pietism being a Lutheran sect.
>>>
>>>In any case the obvious question is why anyone should emphasise Marx's
>>>Jewish heritage and not his German heritage.
>>
>> The Jews do emphasize Marx's Jewish heritage which you are trying to divert
>> from!
>>
>To repeat: why is Marx's Jewish heritage more important than his German
>heritage? Answer the question.
Your question was: "In any case the obvious question is why anyone should
emphasise Marx's Jewish heritage and not his German heritage" which you
re-phrased above! I answered your original question and you did NOT like the
answer so you re-phrased it to make it look as if I was avoiding it! Not too
clever on your part at all!
I.E.
<start/quote>
>In any case the obvious question is why anyone should emphasise Marx's Jewish heritage and
>not his German heritage.
The Jews do emphasize Marx's Jewish heritage which you are trying to divert
from!
I.E.
Excerpt
<End of excerpt>
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>>>After all there must have been something in the millieu of 19th Century
>>>Germany and 19th Century German Lutheranism that influenced the ideology Marx and
>>>Engels would develop.
>>
>> Marx was influenced by his Rabbinical lineage and his family members!
>>
>> http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html
>> (Archived locally as: hist-guide_marx)
>> "The philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary, Karl
>> Marx, is without a doubt the most influential socialist thinker to emerge in the
>> 19th century... Until quite recently almost half the population of the world
>> lived under regimes that claim to be Marxist... Karl Heinrich Marx was born into
>> a comfortable middle-class home in Trier on the river Moselle in Germany on
>> May 5, 1818. He came from a long line of rabbis on both sides of his family..."
>> <END>
>>
>> If Marx had been influenced by Lutheranism then he would not have been an
>> Anti-Christ who detested Christians would he and as Jewess Sara Salzman
>> stated:
Why did you delete this Tim?
<start/quote>
If Marx had been influenced by Lutheranism then he would not have been an
Anti-Christ who detested Christians would he and as Jewess Sara Salzman stated:
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_5 and SaraSplainsAll_6)
MARX WAS INFLUENCED BY ANTI-CHRIST JUDAISM HOWEVER!!! Care to deny it?
Care to deny Judaism and Jews in general are Anti-Christic Christ Deniers
to the core?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
Message-ID: <f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
<end/quote>
>Wrong. Dislike for the religious background you were raised in doesn't stop
>it from influencing you. And what about the secular parts of the 19th
>Century German culture Marx lived it? Are you seriously going to
>claim...ooops, I forgot, we're talking to Scott Bradbury, who claims to
>believe in what would be the world's greatest and most successful
>conspiracy, namely faking the mass murder of millions and convincing the
>majority of humanity that it happened. If you can believe that you can
>believe that the religious and cultural setting someone grew up in has no
>influence on their philosophy.
Once again Tim resorts to personal attacks rather than refuting me!
>> Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
>>
>>>Whatever the position one takes placing collective blame on all Jews for
>>>Communism because someone of Jewish heritage had a role in its creation is
>>>nonsensical,
>>
>> I never blamed all Jews
>
>A blatant lie by Bradbury.
PROVE IT MISTER SLANDERER! PROVE IT!! Personal attacks and smear is all you
people have these days!
>>BUT the majority of the ruling elite and the propagators and the founders of communism were Jews!
>
>And if you believe that I've got some nice beachfront property at McMurdo
>Bay you might be interested in.
I guess you are now calling the Jews I have quoted liars now!
What you deleted:
I never blamed all Jews BUT the majority of the ruling elite and the propagators
and the founders of communism were Jews!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
AND
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
Added Comment Feb 28, 2005: In the above we see documented beyond any fault:
http://www.jewishgates.com/file.asp?File_ID=159
(Active July 12, 2003. Archived locally as: oexodus)
Operation Exodus
Because the Czars treated the Jews so abominably, Jews were in the forefront of
the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. They had founded and served in many of the
leading Socialist and Bolshevik organizations. One of Lenin's closest advisors
was a Jew...
When the Communist Party finally took over, one of its platforms was a
prohibition against the persecution of Jews.... <end>
http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/desteeur.cfm
(Link active July 11, 2003. Archived locally as: desteeur)
"A disproportionate number within the revolutionary movements are Jewish...
Russian Revolutionary movement and it finally succeeds in overthrowing the Czar.
However, it subsequently brings the country into a bitter civil war. The
Communists emerge victorious. Within their ranks are a disproportionate number
of Jews..." <end>
Are you going to answer with more personal attacks and name calling Tim?
Look at which group of people mainly engage in personal attacks because they
have run out of arguments!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
MY MAXIM OF DEBATE:
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in documented FACT.
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide T_0201
Date: 1 Feb 2005 18:52:33 GMT
Message-ID: <j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
Message-ID: <fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b
Subject: "Holocaust" History -- Have you ever wondered why Ukrainians
volunteered for guard duty? T_0202
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:53:02 -0600
Message-ID: <nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com>
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Founders of "Sovietism" aka the Communist Totalitarian State:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
--------------------------------------------------------
Who was spreading "Sovietism" to Europe:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
Page after page of blather which can, as is often the case with Holocaust
deniers, be boiled down to a simple statement: "I don't believe the
Holocaust happened, but if it did it the Jews deserved it."
tim gueguen 101867
colonel_...@yahoo.com.au
"I dont believe the Holocaust happened, but IF (and only if) the
tactics and honesty of its promoters, defenders and its hucksters are
an accurate representation of Jewish people then one can only marvel at
and laud Hitler's restraint."
Hypothetically. I havent actually seen anyone argue anything like what
either you or I wrote.
Lady Chatterly
colonel_...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
>Perhaps, Tim, you could re-phrased that as:
>
>"I dont believe the Holocaust happened, but IF (and only if) the
>tactics and honesty of its promoters, defenders and its hucksters are
>an accurate representation of Jewish people then one can only marvel at
>and laud Hitler's restraint."
Why are you thinking that you do not believe the holocaust happened?
>Hypothetically. I havent actually seen anyone argue anything like what
>either you or I wrote.
I am not sure what that means he is been trying to assasinate me for
some, everybody 's different.
--
Lady Chatterly
"The world is my Oyster, or not to be, tis nobler dearest botTY to vex
you with non questions ?" -- Mr. S J Ruttledge esq
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>news:ebi7211s36pji2ecn...@4ax.com...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Message-ID: <ebi7211s36pji2ecn...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/6b21b16fc01f1f5b
Lurkers click the link above (in case the thread gets ruined) to see what Tim
runs from and calls blather.
>Page after page of blather which can, as is often the case with Holocaust
>deniers, be boiled down to a simple statement: "I don't believe the
>Holocaust happened, but if it did it the Jews deserved it."
IOW you can't refute what I posted so you delete the entire content and instead
go for the personal attacks and here is what your allies have said about such
tactics:
"It takes no thought whatsoever, on the other hand, to flame someone for
this, rather than present a rational argument, backed by verifiable evidence.
Once again, [you] display [your] preference for the cheap shot over the
reasoned statement." -- Jeffrey G. Brown
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=jeff_brown-1111961218190001%40news.zippo.com&rnum=6
Message-ID: <jeff_brown-11...@news.zippo.com>
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
Care to show in any of my material I posted where I lied?
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/fd1582ec19ebf6d8
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:11:16 -0600
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Doc Tavish
Matthews <allan_m...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>In article <irh721hmfvdgcm907...@4ax.com>,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net says...
>
>[usual bradbury swill snipped]
IOW you as well can't refute what was posted which was:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/b2464e13cf6d68d2
Message-ID: <irh721hmfvdgcm907...@4ax.com>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> What Tim can't refute and runs away from may be read in this archive in case the
>> thread gets fouled up:
What Allan deleted:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/16f90d8676555a0d
Message-ID: <0rv4215ulurpi6j5a...@4ax.com>
>What Blubberbury can't get through his thick skull is that JUST ABOUT
>EVERYTHING he's ever posted here has been refuted REPEATEDLY.
Name calling and personal attacks and posting where I live is NOT refuting me!!!
>He is either too STUPID (being a 6th grade drop out and all) to understand
>that or he is just too dishonest (being dead these past few years by his
>own admission and all).
>
>[abusive crossposting trimmed]
Its not abusive and I restored it so everyone may see what my opposition is
like!
>[cue the usual ad hominem rantings from the shame of you-know-where]
It isn't me who has been making the ad hominem rantings!!
>Stay lame, Scottie!
>
>ANd remember kids - don't be like "Sieg Heil" Scottie - STAY IN SCHOOL!
Look at who is trying to steal my "Maxim of Debate" and look at which group of
people mainly engage in personal attacks because they have run out of arguments!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
MY MAXIM OF DEBATE:
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in documented FACT.
~~All about Atheistic Anti-Christ Marxist Baby-Killer Allan Matthews~~
"(L)ets compare - My IQ's around 140, I've got a degree in physics
from MIT and I'm finishing up my Ph.D. at Harvard, from which I
already have a Master's degree. And you, oh mentally stunted one?
....I can't understand why people like you are so willfully stupid
and ignorant." -- Allan Matthews Showing "Intelligence" and Style!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&safe=off&selm=MPG.1015bb88aad9d426989881%40news.shore.net&rnum=7
From: allan_m...@bigfoot.com (Allan Matthews)
Subject: Re: "Sieg Heil" Scottie makes another allegation he can't back up
Message-ID: <MPG.1015bb88a...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMbraggadocio)
---
>Please note also the Talmud contains a book called the Sanhedrin and it
>is filled with blasphemous statements against Jesus
"They're only blasphemous if you're Christian, Scottie. These guys were Jews.
To them Jesus was the blasphemer." Marxist Anti-Christ Allan Matthews
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=MPG.f7c9ff6646059539897a2%40news.shore.net&rnum=1
Subject: Re: From History of the Jews- Talmudism (As Written by Jews)
Message-ID: <MPG.f7c9ff66...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth1)
---
"God? What would we want with a God?" Atheistic Allan Matthews
Subject: Yet more slander from "tavish" (was:Re: If You Had a GOD...)
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5h9cvn%24pc0%241%40lator.cybercom.net&rnum=11
Message-ID: <5h9cvn$pc0$1...@lator.cybercom.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth2)
---
>WE ARE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD,
"Oh, no, not this silly sky god stuff again..."
Atheistic Marxist Apologist Allan Matthews
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_338887251
Subject: Re: Niggers morally responsible for Arkansas! Torch them NOW!!!
Message-ID: <MPG.f8867712...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth3)
---
"Anti-abortion propaganda... It is a legal fact in this country that you
cannot compel me to give you use of one of my organs, say a kindey, for
example, even if it's the only way for you to stay alive. Why, then,
should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use of a woman's
uterus? Pro-Death Allan "Baby Killer" Matthews
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_285707390
Subject: Re: Similarity between communists and nazis
Message-ID: <MPG.ec087de4...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth4)
---
"Why, then, should an unborn fetus have a special right to the use of a woman's
uterus?" Pro-Death Allan "Baby-Killer" Matthews
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_285707390
Subject: Re: Similarity between communists and nazis
Message-ID: <MPG.ec087de4...@news.shore.net>
(Archived locally as: AMmouth5)
---
Subject: Did Allan Matthews Acquire his Marxist Leanings at "Institutions of
Higher Learning"? aka Re: More delusional lies from "Sieg Heil" Scottie
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=is6alu4qnvnsg98r0t9ek9hard99pbjj0s%404ax.com&rnum=2&filter=0
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:58:54 -0500
Message-ID: <is6alu4qnvnsg98r0...@4ax.com>
---
Allan Matthews' "GOOD GUYS" (ACLU, DSA, ADL/B'nai Brith and Nizkor) are rooted
in communism and/or are communist front organizations:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=sen3g0d7nqfr2k8dlkdhffr0codjr17e0p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comrade Allan Matthews' GOOD GUYS Are Socialists/Communists! aka
Communists Give FULL Support to Democrat Party in USA!! S_0723
Message-ID: <sen3g0d7nqfr2k8dl...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:06:04 GMT
---
All of the above in a nutshell speaks volumes about the type of person Marxist
Atheist Anti-Christ Allan Matthews is! No wonder why he is liked by Leftists,
Pharisaic Anti-Christ Jews and the rest of Un-American elements.
<END>
>allan
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
More blather. Bradbury's standard tactic can be called the tarbaby gambit,
namely to post reams and reams of the same stuff over and over again hoping
to entrap those who respond into an endless loop of pointing out his errors,
which prompts yet more blathering. The fact that it has been debunked over
and over again can be found by searching via Google the threads he's posted
the same crap to in the past.
As always its amusing to see people like Bradbury implying they are
Christians, a religion based on a prophet who claimed to be the fulfillment
of Jewish religious prophecy and was himself a Jew. Some of his fellow
travellers have quite rightly rejected Christianity for this reason, but
their numbers are small compared to those who go through all sorts of
pretzel like contortions to claim that the Jews of Biblica aren't really
Jews like they hate and that Jesus wasn't really such a Jew.
tim gueguen 101867
tim gueguen
<colonel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1109651135....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
for every horror from the Ukrainian Famine to Bradbury losing his hair is
quite obviously an attempt at making the irrational Nazi hatred against Jews
seem justified.
tim gueguen 101867
Doc Tavish
Look at who is trying to steal my "Maxim of Debate" and look at which group of
people mainly engage in personal attacks because they have run out of arguments!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
MY MAXIM OF DEBATE:
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in documented FACT.
YOU STILL CAN'T REFUTE WHAT I POST AND THAT MAKES YOU A LOSER TIM!!!
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>news:1109661449.685c1a5b5675d738b2eb411c8a90f95a@teranews...
>More blather.
IOW you can't refute it so you delete it and then start with the lies against me
and personal attacks!
What I posted in full:
<start/quote>
Message-ID: <1109661449.685c1a5b5675d738b2eb411c8a90f95a@teranews>
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:15:28 GMT, <A%RUd.531584$6l.418704@pd7tw2no> "tim
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <Doc_T...@Tavish-Central01.net> wrote in message
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
<END>
<end/quote>
>Bradbury's standard tactic can be called the tarbaby gambit,
>namely to post reams and reams of the same stuff over and over again hoping
>to entrap those who respond into an endless loop of pointing out his errors,
BUT you don't point out errors Tim because I have made none! You always delete
what I post and then you engage in personal attacks which is very Pharisee like!
>which prompts yet more blathering. The fact that it has been debunked over
>and over again
Name calling, personal attacks, and posting where I live is not debunking my
posts!
>can be found by searching via Google the threads he's posted
>the same crap to in the past.
Those are all lies Tim!
>As always its amusing to see people like Bradbury implying they are
>Christians,
Who are you to judge my faith Tim? You ally yourself with Ken McVay and his
Nizkor Project ET AL and here are the people who really are antichrist in the
purest sense of the definition:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/fd1582ec19ebf6d8
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:11:16 -0600
Message-ID: <5eo4215imui1bviot...@4ax.com>
Very brief excerpt:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800, <c2id2h02...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
OBC" <spamfr...@nizkor.org> wrote:
>"Debunks2005" <debunks2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> PERSPECTIVES
>> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>
>Who is this "Jesus?"
>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
Looks like you are not only a communist sympathizer and a communist front
(proven below with archives) as well as a person arrested for grand theft auto
and who lies about his funding (again all proofs contained in the archives
below) BUT you are an Anti-Christ which explains why you associate with the
enemies of Christ!
<End of excerpt>
>a religion based on a prophet who claimed to be the fulfillment
>of Jewish religious prophecy and was himself a Jew.
I have never denied Jesus was a Jew and I want you to prove that I ever have
seeing how you are implying it now in your current smear and diversion!
>Some of his fellow travellers have quite rightly rejected Christianity for this reason, but
>their numbers are small compared to those who go through all sorts of
>pretzel like contortions to claim that the Jews of Biblica aren't really
>Jews like they hate and that Jesus wasn't really such a Jew.
I have stated numerous times that Jesus was born a Jew in the flesh, his
Disciples were all Jews,and the first of the 1st Century Christians were all
Jews too and Cornelius was the first Gentile to be baptized!
My proofs I have posted such:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/21981bac695d571f
Subject: Re: It's Official---Tavish is THE Antichrist...
Message-ID: <9tuotv03ckcoa47gm...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Dec 2003 15:47:52 GMT
Excerpt
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:48:14 -0500,
<brhplg$3do4...@ID-211543.news.uni-berlin.de> Roxanne Kedge
<missroxan...@excite.com> wrote:
>Hello Tavish
>How are you today?
>My problem is that... 99% of American consider themselves "Judeo-Christian"
>and that Jesus was the Jew
He was a Jew by birth in the flesh-- a fact I have never denied though my
enemies have accused me of such. For a fact the very first of the 1st Century
Christians were also Jews and a man named Cornelius was the first recorded
Gentile to be baptized into the New Covenant of Jesus.
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
That is another one of your lying smears exposed Tim!
How about this you slanderer?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7e345a71a0193a8c
Subject: Re: The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 S_0226
Message-ID: <p9nv301rpuo33065u...@4ax.com>
References: <efjr30lrikjnaahq0...@4ax.com>
<bf3896a1.0402...@posting.google.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2004 00:11:05 GMT
Excerpt
On 26 Feb 2004 19:26:24 -0800, <bf3896a1.0402261926.a77e...@posting.google.com>
b...@indystart.com (Joebruno) wrote:
>
>Try this, dumbo:
>
>http://www.templarhistory.com/worms.html
I make no excuses for Christendom. They don't walk in the foot steps of 1st
Century Christians.
Consider these points as I step through them:
[Regarding 1st Century Christianity compared to the 21st Century version of
Christianity espoused by Christendom Versus 1st Century Judaism compared to 21st
Century Judaism. Judaism and Jews have not changed significantly in 2000 years
BUT 1st Century Christianity is still lost in the 21st Century.]
1) Pharisees were Jews and the very first of the 1st Century Christians were
Jews as well and the first recorded Gentile convert recorded was a man named
Cornelius. Acts Chapter 10 gives the account of Cornelius.
2) The Pharisees' religion was Judaism and naturally the 1st Century Christian's
religion was Christianity.
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass,
that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much
people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 26:28
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
1 Peter 4:16
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him
glorify God on this behalf.
The religion of the Pharisees:
Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
<Notice the Apostle Paul stated: "former life in Judaism"?>
Acts 26:1,4,5 (English-RSV)
1 Agrippa said to Paul, "You have permission to speak for yourself."
Then Paul stretched out his hand and made his defense:
4 "My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my
own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
5 They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify,
that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as
a Pharisee.
<Notice the Apostle Paul stated: "I have lived as a Pharisee" and he did NOT
state: "I live as a Pharisee" thus proving Paul separated himself from
unbelievers and was NOT a purveyor of any sort of a "Judeo/Christian Alliance"
being taught by false teachers of today.>
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0u...@4ax.com>
4) For a fact those Jews who practiced Judaism in the 1st Century persecuted the
Jews who practiced Christianity.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
5) Jews who followed Judaism were called Children of the Devil by Jesus (who was
a Jew in the flesh) Jesus did not include all Jews as being Children of the
Devil as verse 31 proves.
John 8:1-6,31,37-49
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered
around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in
adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing
him.
<<The above scripture shows who Jesus was addressing and it shows they were
trying to trap him in his speech-- a trait the Pharisee devils have honed
over the past 2000 years I might add!>>
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching,
you are really my disciples.
<<Only those Jews who believed in Jesus were looked upon favorably and those who
didn't are addressed in the following scripture. Verse 31 also proves that NOT
all Jews are the Children of the Devil as some people want to teach.>>
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because
you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what
you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
40 "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things
Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."
The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
<<The above is irrefutable about who Jesus referred to as the Children of the
Devil.>>
6) The Jewish Apostle John wrote that the Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah
who came in the flesh were antichrists.
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Those two posts alone and there are many more prove that you are either ignorant
or you are just a plain old fashion slanderous liar!
Now when are you going to actually refute what I post instead of acting like the
antichrist Neo-Pharisees who are YOUR fellow travelers?!
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
Compare the above to this post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1cnv30tcnn0240r4jov0i1htgqsa20s8u7%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 1st Century Vs 21st Century Judaism Compared to 1st Century
Christianity and 21st Century Christendom
Message-ID: <1cnv30tcnn0240r4j...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Feb 2004 00:29:09 GMT
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5d...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e81e7e6846161b30
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.0 T_0205
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:03 -0600
Message-ID: <6iea01dq6bt8b3com...@4ax.com>
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
Doc Tavish
gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
IOW you can't refute what I posted! Admit it Tim!
>tim gueguen 101867
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
Message-ID: <1g60hvoj0b21pn339...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Jul 2003 14:16:47 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cl4i90prrinnkt5a0...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Political Parties of Israel (Israel is a Communist Sympathizer Nation!)
V2.0 S_0505
Message-ID: <cl4i90prrinnkt5a0...@4ax.com>
Date: 5 May 2004 16:08:47 GMT
yitz...@lycos.com
[snip]
> Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile
Ukrainians as
> documented in these archives:
>
Commie Goyim Series--Villains of the Ukraine Famine
Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov (Early editor of Pravda prior
to revolution, Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars
after Rykov, then Foreign Minister, negotiated non-agression pact
between Soviets and Nazi Germany, According to Roy Medvedev,
"In 1932 he played a particularly sinister part in the
Ukraine, where he directed the state grain-procurement
opeations in the southern provinces; after his intervention
the southern Ukraine was gripped by a terrible famine that
carried off millions," All Stalin's Men, p. 87)
Stanislav Vikent'evich Kosior (Ukrainian First Secretary,
Reported to have said the following: " . . . the peasant
is adopting a new tactic. He refuses to reap the harvest.
He wants the bread grain to die in order to choke the
Soviet government with the bony hand of famine. We will
show him what famine is." Harvest of Sorrow, p. 221)
Pavel Petrovich Postyshev ("Postyshev was, in fact, Stalin's
effective plenipotenitary in the task of 'Bolshevizing' the
Ukrainian party and extracting further grain from the
starving Ukrainian villages" Harvest of Sorrow, p. 241.)
Grigori Ivanovich Petrovsky ("When a factory official told Petrovsky
that his employees were talking of five million people having already
died and asked what he should tell them, he is quoted as answering,
'Tell them nothing! What they say is true. We know millions are dying.
That is unfortunate, but the glorious future of the Soviet Union will
justify that. Tell them nothing!'" Harvest of Sorrow, p. 325.)
And let's not forget Stalin himself . . .
http://www.geocities.com/yitzgood/
sc...@free.info
Many defenders of the Neo-Pharisees (Jews) try to shift the blame of
Jewish involvement with the establishment of communism as an ideology
and the establishment of the first communist totalitarian state along
with its genocide and concentration camps (gulags) from Jews to
Gentiles by providing long lists of Gentiles who also were part of the
Soviet State. The point being- Gentiles did not conceive Communism and
as Lenin stated concerning Gentiles-- they are USEFUL IDIOTS!
Communism was conceived by Jewish intellect and communism was
intended from its inception to wage a worldwide revolution using
violence if necessary. The "founding document" of this movement was
The Communist Manifesto and the "Founding Father" was a Jew named Karl
Marx.
--
Freedom of speech involves the right to think the unthinkable,
mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
Joe Bruno
s...@free.info wrote:
> Doc Tavish said:
>
> Many defenders of the Neo-Pharisees (Jews) try to shift the blame of
> Jewish involvement with the establishment of communism as an ideology
> and the establishment of the first communist totalitarian state along
> with its genocide and concentration camps (gulags) from Jews to
> Gentiles by providing long lists of Gentiles who also were part of
the
> Soviet State. The point being- Gentiles did not conceive Communism
and
> as Lenin stated concerning Gentiles-- they are USEFUL IDIOTS!
Proof???????????????????????????????
I see. Gentiles have no minds of their own and will follow what ever
nonsense Jews put in front of them. What garbage.
I know lots of Gentiles who argue with me all the time.
One of them fired me.
>
> Communism was conceived by Jewish intellect
Actually, it was conceived during the French revolution. The Bolsheviks
often modeled themselves on that revolution and made reference to it.
and communism was
> intended from its inception to wage a worldwide revolution using
> violence if necessary. The "founding document" of this movement was
> The Communist Manifesto and the "Founding Father" was a Jew named
Karl
> Marx.
Marx also made anti-Semitic statements in his writings. His Father
converted to become a Protestant. Therefore, it is debatable whether
Marx was a Jew or not.
William Daffer
> Doc Tavish said:
>
> Many defenders of the Neo-Pharisees (Jews)
Not that you're an anti-semite or anything, right Chrissy?
[snip]
whd
p.s. Oh look! Here's another proof of this lie.
--
<quote>
Holocaust Hoax
Jews are pretty good liars most of the time, but they tell so many
lies they are bound to trip themselves up sometimes.
</quote>
Chris Carpenter in
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Remember folk! Carpenter claims that he *is not* an anti-semite!