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Sep 21, 2011, 4:29:21 PM9/21/11
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Libya: Obama - Libya Shows What World Can Do "When We Stand Together"
(For this quote, see http://allafrica.com/stories/201109211460.html)

We know that, Mr. Obama. We can see that because the US has stood
together with the Libyan rebels and you guys "won", except leaving a
mess in the previously beautiful North African country.

And we can also see that you're now standing with Mr. Netanyahu in
opposition to the Palestinians' desire to have a country and that in
all likelihood they won't have one, nor peace - just more attacks from
the IDF missiles, more blockade of Gaza, and more Jewish settlements
in the West Bank, in the Palestinian territory. In short, it will be,
just like the last several decades, more of the same: no country, no
border, no defense, and only poverty and nakedness in face of missiles
and bombs.

In fact, the following article had this to say about what it means to
the other party the US stands with. It definitely emboldens!

"With Obama at his side, the Israeli premier said the Palestinian
bid to appeal directly to the U.N. was a short cut that "will not
succeed." Netanyahu also lauded Obama for speaking up on principle."

Netanyahu was effectively saying, "good job, Barak, good job ..."

I say, Obama must have been reading rst0's "power of the gun" messages
and became his disciple, don't you agree, sir?

And no sooner has Mr. Obama spoken, NATO announced that it had just
decided that it would continue its bombing of Libya for another three
months. And that will be until Christmas time, boys and girls!!!

"Joy to the world, for the bombs are still coming down . . .." What a
charade the "R2P" action really is!!!

And meanwhile, we learned that

`The great-nephew of the Libyan king ousted by Moammar Gadhafi said
Wednesday his countrymen should be allowed to decide if they want
the return of the monarchy, offering his family as a "servant of the
Libyan people."'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/09/21/international/i083912D35.DTL

And don't forget that from day one I have pointed out the very fact
that the "revolutionary" flag" the NATO stooges have been using was a
monarchy flag.

All these billions the US and the UK are releasing will surely be a
princely sum for any "servant of the Libyan people", you would think.

And these royal "servants" will be doing the best job their western
masters expect them to in transfering Libyan wealth into their own
countries. (Remember the installation of the Shah of Iran, thanks to
the CIA-backed coup in the 1950s?)

These stooges are so emboldened, they even want the 300,000 pounds
back from the LSE because a former regime official was doing the
pledging. Imagine the day when all the Arab countries stop giving:
it'll be the day when the endowment fund at mega-universities in the
US and the UK will have to stop their building projects. It'll be the
day when their presidents will frantically beg their alumnis to chip
in. That 300,000 pounds? It will not even be enough to have a room
named after the donor, given the price of everything today! I'm soooo
impressed with the pettiness of Obama's new stooges! They're just so
amazing.

lo yeeOn
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United Nations General Assembly 2011: Obama Pressures Palestinians To
End Bid

TAREK EL-TABLAWY and STEVEN R. HURST 09/21/11 02:59 PM ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/united-nations-palestinian-statehood-obama_n_973871.html

A top Palestinian official says President Mahmoud Abbas has no plans
to agree to a delayed vote on his bid for membership in the United
Nations, rejecting mounting pressure to do so from the United States
and France.

"We will not allow any political maneurvering on this issue," said
Saeb Erekat, a senior aide to Abbas and former chief of negotiations.

Erekat said Abbas had made that plain in discussions with all parties
involved over the last three days of meetings in the lead-up to the
annual UN General Assembly.

Both French President Nicolas Sarkozy and President Barack Obama, in
opening speeches to the U.N. assembly, said granting Palestine
membership would be counterproductive before it reaches a peace accord
with Israel.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further
information. AP's earlier story is below.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy proposed a one-year timetable
Wednesday for Israel and the Palestinians to reach a peace accord,
part of a concerted push with the United States to steer the
Palestinians away from an application for U.N. membership.

Sarkozy spoke at the General Assembly shortly after President Barack
Obama warned there could be no "shortcut" to peace and that
negotiations, not U.N. declarations, were essential to a lasting
peace.

While Obama stopped short of calling directly calling on the
Palestinians to drop their bid for full membership - an effort the
U.S. has vowed to veto in the Security Council - Sarkozy sounded a
more compromising tone and urged each side, and the international
community, to approach the deadlocked process with new ideas and
tactics.

"Let us cease our endless debates on the parameters and let us begin
negotiations and adopt a precise and ambitious timetable," Sarkozy
told the leaders and officials gathered at the U.N. "Sixty years
without moving one centimeter forward, doesn't that suggest that we
should change the method and the scheduling here?"

"Let's have one month to resume discussions, six months to find
agreement on borders and security, one year to reach a definitive
agreement," he said.

A senior European Union official said the proposal laid out by Sarkozy
matched one by EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton during a
meeting with EU foreign ministers on Tuesday. The official spoke on
condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions.

Abbas' push for full membership, which he has said would be submitted
on Friday, has dominated this year's U.N. meeting, pushing the
U.S. and Israel against a wall of international sympathy for
Palestinians. While the full membership bid would meet with a certain
U.S. veto in the Security Council, assuming the Palestinians muster
enough votes to have it approved, they have succeeded in bringing the
issue again to the forefront of the world's political discussions
after years of failed negotiations, bickering and sporadic outbreaks
of violence.

Sarkozy said that by setting preconditions, "we doom ourselves to
failure. ... There must be no preconditions."

It remained unclear whether the latest proposal would be enough to
avert a showdown over statehood that has consumed the U.N. over the
past few days and sparked a frenzy of last-minute diplomatic
door-knocking by the Israelis and the Palestinians, as well as a
flurry of discussions between the Quartet of Mideast negotiators - the
U.S., the E.U., the U.N. and Russia.

But the proposal outlined by Sarkozy received a warmer welcome from
the Palestinians than Obama's comments.

Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior Abbas aide, told The Associated Press that
the Palestinians "appreciate the speech and the positions included in
that speech."

"The Palestinian leadership will study seriously the positions and the
ideas in that speech," he said.

Obama's remarks, however, drew a lukewarm response, with the
Palestinian delegation sporting stern and disapproving looks as the
U.S. president spoke.

"Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the United
Nations - if it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by
now," the president told U.N. delegates. "Ultimately, it is the
Israelis and the Palestinians who must live side by side. Ultimately,
it is the Israelis and the Palestinians - not us - who must reach
agreement on the issues that divide them."

Obama showed solidarity with Israel, not mentioning a return to the
borders before the 1967 Arab-Israeli war in which Israel annexed
territory. The remarks may rile some in the Arab world where mass
uprisings against authoritarian regimes have also sparked a new
measure of anti-U.S. sentiment. Obama's words also stood in stark
contrast to the image he left behind when he addressed the Muslim
world from Cairo in 2009, pledging to improve relations and
cooperation.

Senior Palestinian officials said Abbas will reiterate to Obama his
decision to move forward with the application for membership that will
be submitted to the Security Council. But they also said that the
Palestinians seek to cooperate with the U.S. and will be ready to
return to the negotiating table once a solid foundation for talks was
in place.

Nabil Abu Redeineh said that "peace in the Middle East needs an
immediate end of the Israeli occupation" and that the U.S. needs to
pressure Israel to immediately withdraw from lands annexed in
1967. The Palestinians are ready to return to talks "the minute Israel
accepts" those borders and stops settlement building, he said.

Obama was scheduled to meet later Wednesday with Abbas.

He met earlier in the day with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu.

With Obama at his side, the Israeli premier said the Palestinian bid
to appeal directly to the U.N. was a short cut that "will not
succeed." Netanyahu also lauded Obama for speaking up on principle.

The issue of Palestinian statehood has gained new momentum in the Arab
world amid the so-called Arab Spring uprisings that have ousted the
leaders of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and laid the still rocky
foundations for a new era of freedom and democratic nations in a
region dominated by dictators, monarchs and other entrenched regimes.

Palestinians rallied Wednesday in towns across the West Bank to show
support for their president's bid for U.N. recognition.

Qatari Emir Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani urged the members of the
United Nations to "respond to the legitimate request for a state of
Palestine with full membership like all others at the United Nations."
The emir said that approving a request for full membership "will pave
the way for the realization of peace in our region."

But Sarkozy stressed that "if we take a compromise solution, we will
rebuild trust and we will give people hope."

"We must assume a historic responsibility. It is the General Assembly
of the United Nations that must not miss this appointment with
history," he said. "Let us reassure Israel and give hope to the
Palestinian people Let us take this compromise solution over blockage,
because that might satisfy everyone here, but will create violence,
bitterness and opposition that will imperil the wakening of the Arab
peoples."

The proposal he outlined may offer Abbas a face-saving way of backing
away from a push for membership to the U.N. - a pledge that he has so
far showed little indication he is willing to drop.

___

Libya: NATO Mission To Continue 90 More Days

DON MELVIN 09/21/11 12:14 PM ET

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/libya-nato-mission_n_974258.html

NATO's decision-making body granted approval Wednesday for the
military alliance to continue its mission over Libya for another 90
days.

Libya's former leader, Moammar Gadhafi, has fallen from power but
pockets of loyalist resistance remain.

NATO took over command of the mission in March, enforcing a
U.N. resolution allowing the imposition of a no-fly zone and action to
protect civilians. Some observers have said NATO's actions, which have
included daily bombing runs over the North African country, were more
robust than envisioned in the resolution and amounted to supporting
the rebels in a civil war.

But NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen defended the
operation in a statement Wednesday.

"Together with our partners, NATO has been remarkably successful in
fulfilling the mandate of the United Nations," he said. "But while
threats to civilians persist, we will continue to protect them under
the mandate confirmed unanimously in U.N. Security Council Resolution
2009, and at the request of the National Transition Council."

The council is forming Libya's new government.

The additional 90 days was approved Wednesday in Brussels by the North
Atlantic Council, which is composed of representatives from NATO's 28
member countries.

NATO took command of the operation in March and extended it for
another 90 days in June. Without the new extension, permission for the
operation would have expired Sept. 27.

Fogh Rasmussen said the mission would be under constant review and
could end at any time.

"This decision sends a clear message to the Libyan people: We will be
there for as long as necessary, but not a day longer, while you take
your future in your hands to ensure a safe transition to the new
Libya," he said.

bmo...@nyx.net

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Sep 21, 2011, 6:31:19 PM9/21/11
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On Sep 21, 1:29 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> Libya: Obama - Libya Shows What World Can Do "When We Stand Together"
> (For this quote, seehttp://allafrica.com/stories/201109211460.html)
>
> We know that, Mr. Obama.  We can see that because the US has stood
> together with the Libyan rebels and you guys "won", except leaving a
> mess in the previously beautiful North African country.

Still no admission of Gadhaffi's crimes! You are being so one-sided.
Perhaps some day you will care about the truth rather than your
agenda.



ltl...@hotmail.com

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Sep 21, 2011, 8:01:42 PM9/21/11
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On Sep 21, 4:29 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> Libya: Obama - Libya Shows What World Can Do "When We Stand Together"
> (For this quote, seehttp://allafrica.com/stories/201109211460.html)
>
> We know that, Mr. Obama.  We can see that because the US has stood
> together with the Libyan rebels and you guys "won", except leaving a
> mess in the previously beautiful North African country.
>
> And we can also see that you're now standing with Mr. Netanyahu in
> opposition to the Palestinians' desire to have a country and that in
> all likelihood they won't have one, nor peace - just more attacks from
> the IDF missiles, more blockade of Gaza, and more Jewish settlements
> in the West Bank, in the Palestinian territory.  In short, it will be,
> just like the last several decades, more of the same: no country, no
> border, no defense, and only poverty and nakedness in face of missiles
> and bombs.
>
> In fact, the following article had this to say about what it means to
> the other party the US stands with.  It definitely emboldens!
>
>   "With Obama at his side, the Israeli premier said the Palestinian
>   bid to appeal directly to the U.N. was a short cut that "will not
>   succeed." Netanyahu also lauded Obama for speaking up on principle."
>
> Netanyahu was effectively saying, "good job, Barak, good job ..."

Both are at the wrong side of history.
>
> I say, Obama must have been reading rst0's "power of the gun" messages
> and became his disciple, don't you agree, sir?
>
> And no sooner has Mr. Obama spoken, NATO announced that it had just
> decided that it would continue its bombing of Libya for another three
> months.  And that will be until Christmas time, boys and girls!!!
>
> "Joy to the world, for the bombs are still coming down . . .."  What a
> charade the "R2P" action really is!!!
>
> And meanwhile, we learned that
>
>   `The great-nephew of the Libyan king ousted by Moammar Gadhafi said
>   Wednesday his countrymen should be allowed to decide if they want
>   the return of the monarchy, offering his family as a "servant of the
>   Libyan people."'
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/09/21/internati...
>
> And don't forget that from day one I have pointed out the very fact
> that the "revolutionary" flag" the NATO stooges have been using was a
> monarchy flag.
>
> All these billions the US and the UK are releasing will surely be a
> princely sum for any "servant of the Libyan people", you would think.
>
> And these royal "servants" will be doing the best job their western
> masters expect them to in transfering Libyan wealth into their own
> countries.  (Remember the installation of the Shah of Iran, thanks to
> the CIA-backed coup in the 1950s?)
>
> These stooges are so emboldened, they even want the 300,000 pounds
> back from the LSE because a former regime official was doing the
> pledging.  Imagine the day when all the Arab countries stop giving:
> it'll be the day when the endowment fund at mega-universities in the
> US and the UK will have to stop their building projects.  It'll be the
> day when their presidents will frantically beg their alumnis to chip
> in.  That 300,000 pounds?  It will not even be enough to have a room
> named after the donor, given the price of everything today!  I'm soooo
> impressed with the pettiness of Obama's new stooges!  They're just so
> amazing.
>
> lo yeeOn
> ========
>
> United Nations General Assembly 2011: Obama Pressures Palestinians To
> End Bid
>
> TAREK EL-TABLAWY and STEVEN R. HURST   09/21/11 02:59 PM ET  
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/united-nations-palestinian-s...
> the way for ...
>
> read more »

bmo...@nyx.net

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Sep 21, 2011, 8:35:26 PM9/21/11
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On Sep 21, 5:01 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 4:29 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Libya: Obama - Libya Shows What World Can Do "When We Stand Together"
> > (For this quote, seehttp://allafrica.com/stories/201109211460.html)
>
> > We know that, Mr. Obama.  We can see that because the US has stood
> > together with the Libyan rebels and you guys "won", except leaving a
> > mess in the previously beautiful North African country.
>
> > And we can also see that you're now standing with Mr. Netanyahu in
> > opposition to the Palestinians' desire to have a country and that in
> > all likelihood they won't have one, nor peace - just more attacks from
> > the IDF missiles, more blockade of Gaza, and more Jewish settlements
> > in the West Bank, in the Palestinian territory.  In short, it will be,
> > just like the last several decades, more of the same: no country, no
> > border, no defense, and only poverty and nakedness in face of missiles
> > and bombs.
>
> > In fact, the following article had this to say about what it means to
> > the other party the US stands with.  It definitely emboldens!
>
> >   "With Obama at his side, the Israeli premier said the Palestinian
> >   bid to appeal directly to the U.N. was a short cut that "will not
> >   succeed." Netanyahu also lauded Obama for speaking up on principle."
>
> > Netanyahu was effectively saying, "good job, Barak, good job ..."
>
> Both are at the wrong side of history.

Maybe so, but not anywhere nearly as wrong as that of the former
Libyan dictator and tyrant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/magazine/the-surreal-ruins-of-qaddafis-never-never-land.html

He [Omar] told lengthy, detailed stories about a number of the most
notorious crimes Qaddafi has been accused of, including the 1988
Lockerbie bombing (he essentially confirmed the guilt of the man
convicted of the crime, Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi ) and the murder
of Musa Sadr, an Iranian-Lebanese cleric who disappeared in Libya in
1978. (Omar said Sadr was beaten to death after daring to challenge
Qaddafi at the dictator’s home on matters of theology.) He read about
these cases in the intelligence archives, he said, which were easily
accessible to those working in the unit. “Security was very lax once
you were on the inside,” he told me. “It was only tough on the
outside.”
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