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Jeffrey Gold

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Sep 7, 2004, 12:12:37 PM9/7/04
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I am sick and tired of having an organization like AIPAC speak and spy
IN MY NAME. Most American Jews are loyal Americans and we are
desperate for Israel to achieve peace with the Palestinians. Who the
hell is Steve Rosen and Douglas Feith and when did these traitors get
control of my destiny.
America needs Mideast peace. Israel need peace. Palestinians need
peace and a state at last.
As a Jew I am repulsed by these goings on.
Who are these people?
And when are they going to jail?

Adam Helberg

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The scandal that isn't


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Avinoam Bar Yosef, THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 6, 2004

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Innuendos of a Jewish conspiracy are very much in the air in Washington. They come in
the wake of leaks that the FBI is investigating whether Pentagon analyst Lawrence
Franklin turned over classified information to AIPAC lobbyists.

The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times and the rest of the prestige media are
feeding off a flow of revelations - evidently from the FBI itself - that the
"conspiracy" is even wider then first revealed.

Israel's working assumption should be that the scandal stems from bureaucratic
competition between neoconservatives and their opponents within the administration.
The opponents, who have lost key foreign policy debates over 9/11, Iraq, and are now
contesting what to do about Iran, are hoping for a change in the White House.

Their assessments were rejected in the aftermath of 9/11, so they tended to suspect
that Israeli interests had played a part in influencing the administration's policy
toward al-Qaida, Iraq and Iran.

Every four years, around election time, Washington intrigues seem to chip away at
Israel's integrity. It is a phenomenon that crosses party lines and does not
necessarily have anti-Semitic overtones. Often it is the result of competition
between candidates for senior positions, or just plain jealousy.

On the eve of the 2000 elections, for instance, the US and Israeli press reported on
that ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk's security clearance had been lifted and that
Indyk had been interrogated for supposedly making improper use of his personal
computer. Turns out that during long flights, Indyk had written up summaries of
secret conversations with world leaders in order to save precious time upon his
return to the State Department.

The story died a natural death. Who remembers? Just the Indyk family.

And who remembers the 1997 "mega affair" during the Clinton administration? At the
time, the Mossad's deputy chief of station in Washington had a telephone conversation
from her home with her number one who was on vacation in Israel.

She mentioned "mega." American intelligence operatives monitoring the call assumed
they were discussing a mole; until they learned that "mega" was simply the Mossad's
nickname for the entire CIA Middle East desk.

There are a number of reasons why the Franklin affair is destined to blow away like
election dust.


a.. Who will pick it up? John Kerry supporters are apparently the source of the
leaks, but Kerry himself is fighting for Jewish support against a pro-Israel
incumbent.
And why would Bush want to undermine his standing with the Jewish community?


a.. American Jews are loyal to America. This should be crystal-clear. Most of them
are the second generation of immigrants whose parents and grandparents taught them
patriotism a home, at school, at synagogue and at university.
This is true of AIPAC staffers Steve Rosen and Martin Foyer, who are mentioned in the
Franklin affair; it was true of Indyk, Dennis Ross and Sandy Berger during the
Clinton administration; it is true of Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle
and David Wormser in the current administration.

To understand this it is enough to look at how their lips move and their eyes shine
when the "Star-Spangled Banner" is played at the annual AIPAC conference.

Their Judaism is important to them. Israel is important to them. But when they want
to help they will look for the Israeli interest tangential to the American interest -
and not the other way around.

Jonathan Pollard is the exception that proves the rule.


a.. If Washington is the capital of professionals, AIPAC is the epitome of
professionalism. Don't forget that the papers prepared by AIPAC are addressed to
Capitol Hill and not to Jerusalem's government offices.
For 50 years AIPAC has wisely operated as a pro-Israeli American lobby, and climbed
from one achievement to another without fanfare.


a.. The US capital is full of intrigue and schemes. Whatever happened in that
restaurant the day Franklin went over to the table of a staffer from the Israeli
embassy and the senior AIPAC official happens every day.
Everyone has expense accounts and everyone meets everyone else to exchange
information. And at the end of the day, everyone writes assessment papers.

It is no accident that nobody touched the secret document; that is against the rules.
The real secret contacts - and important documents - are left for the authorized
intelligence bodies of both countries; they don't happen at gourmet restaurants.

Plainly, the scandal may arouse fears among the American partners of Israeli
diplomats operating in Washington. This too shall pass.

But it is worth noting that Israel's response to the episode has been amateurish.

When all is said and done, the Franklin affair will go the way of all the previous
"scandals" that were motivated by politics and personality. And the only ones who
will remember will be those whose names were so unfairly besmirched.


a.. The author is the director of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute. The
article represents his personal opinion.
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Gab

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YOU ARE LUCKY. AIJAC DOES NOT MURDER AT BESLAN, DARFUR, ISRAEL, SUDAN, ETC
ETC ETC.


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Michael W Cook

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On 7/9/04 5:12 pm, in article
6ce83610.04090...@posting.google.com, "Jeffrey Gold"
<JeffGo...@aol.com> wrote:


Here, here, Jeffrey.

It's a shame more Patriots like yourself don't speak out.

American Jews don't need AIPAC, America doesn't need AIPAC.

MWC

Michael W Cook

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On 7/9/04 10:31 pm, in article bOp%c.247$SI4....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au,
"Gab" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> "Jeffrey Gold" <JeffGo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce83610.04090...@posting.google.com...
>> I am sick and tired of having an organization like AIPAC speak and spy
>> IN MY NAME. Most American Jews are loyal Americans and we are
>> desperate for Israel to achieve peace with the Palestinians. Who the
>> hell is Steve Rosen and Douglas Feith and when did these traitors get
>> control of my destiny.
>> America needs Mideast peace. Israel need peace. Palestinians need
>> peace and a state at last.
>> As a Jew I am repulsed by these goings on.
>> Who are these people?
>> And when are they going to jail?

> YOU ARE LUCKY. AIJAC DOES NOT MURDER AT BESLAN, DARFUR, ISRAEL, SUDAN, ETC
> ETC ETC.

Quite correct.

AIPAC, however, help secure huge financial and military support for Israel.

$10 million a week to be precise.

As a gift.

Never to be repaid.

All out of the US Taxpayers pocket.

This support, which also includes aircraft, tanks, rockets, bulldozers and
missiles etc is then used to help Jews murder thousands of innocent
Palestinians. It's also used to protect a bunch of Jewish religious fanatics
who live illegally in Occupied Land.

AIPAC don't help solve the Israel/Palestine problem, they are part of it.

MWC

JBgarbuz

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Sep 12, 2004, 1:05:02 PM9/12/04
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:05:21 +0000 (UTC), Michael W Cook
<crusader_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/04 10:31 pm, in article bOp%c.247$SI4....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au,

> "Gab" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:..

...

>> YOU ARE LUCKY. AIJAC DOES NOT MURDER AT BESLAN, DARFUR, ISRAEL, SUDAN,
>> ETC
>> ETC ETC.
>
> Quite correct.
> AIPAC, however, help secure huge financial and military support for
> Israel.<

And how does Egypt get its $2 billion a year in aid? Does AIPAC secure it
for them too?
And how does Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Jordan get to buy 2-3 times
as much
arms from the US than ISrael does? Does AIPAC secure it for them? The real
question
to be asked is, why are the Arabs getting as much aid and twice as many
arms from the US
than Israel is, and why doesn't the American people hear much about THAT?
Clearly
AIPAC does a better job for the Arabs in securing US aid and arms for the
Arabs than it
does for Israel, because while ISrael gets all the publicity as a large
recipient of
US aid and arms, the ARabs get more and hardly anyone in the US even knows
it - EXCEPT
up on Capitol hill!

>
> $10 million a week to be precise.
> As a gift.
> Never to be repaid.
> All out of the US Taxpayers pocket.
> This support, which also includes aircraft, tanks, rockets, bulldozers
> and
> missiles etc is then used to help Jews murder thousands of innocent
> Palestinians. It's also used to protect a bunch of Jewish religious
> fanatics
> who live illegally in Occupied Land.<

Why don't the Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians and United Arab Emirates turn
over their
vast arsenals of US arms to the Palestinians? Israel would love that too,
because then
it could DOUBLE the size of its US supplied weapons for free. But in
actually, the debt
owed to the US is carried on ISraeli books as debt, however, since the
debt is constantly turned over, and since the interest rate is less than
inflation, in fact Israel is getting most of its heavy arms from the US
not for free, but at a fraction of cost.
That is why AIPAC doesn't complain too much about the US aid and arms
sales to the Arabs.
But personally, I'd rather their be a world aid and arms embargo on both
sides. But the
US defense industry doesn't like that idea either. It wants to sell both
sides, and have
taxpayers pay for part of it, and COngressional leaders from districts
with arms subcontractors (and there are many) are not going to lobby for
job losses in their
districts, So the status quo remains in place. Israel now has more tanks
than people, and
could invade Russia. But it really wouldn't need any of it if the US arms
industry wasn't
eager for sales to the Arabs surrounding Israel. SO it is Catch-22
situation. It is out
of control, but no one knows how to stop it.

> AIPAC don't help solve the Israel/Palestine problem, they are part of
> it.<

So is the US industrial/military complex that is arming both sides to the
hilt. The
PEntagon doesn't mind because it lowers unit costs for US military
purchases. It all evens out and the US isn't losing a dime, because the
cost of aid is offset by the
lower cost of large scale production enabled by large arms sales to the
Arabs and Israel.
Israel is forced to "swallow" more planes and tanks and helicopters it
would otherwise
need, and must maintain, because of the large arms sales to the Arabs. IN
effect, the US
has been fueling both sides of ARab-Israel arms race now for nearly 30
years.


>
> MWC
>

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Michael W Cook

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On 12/9/04 6:05 pm, in article opsd74eohm3zb3qm@localhost, "JBgarbuz"
<jga...@netzero.com> wrote:

> And how does Egypt get its $2 billion a year in aid?

$2 Billion a year verses Israel's average of between $6-8 Billion.

That's undeniably loaded towards Israel.

> Does AIPAC secure it for them too?

AIPAC make sure it's nicely weighted in Israel's favour.

However, it's all part of the bribe for Egypt NOT to invade Israel again.

If it wasn't for their total incompetence last time they tried, together
with the distrust of all the other Arab coalition partners, Israel would be
a totally different place today, if it had survived.

> And how does Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Jordan get to buy 2-3 times
> as much arms from the US than ISrael does?

You answer the question yourself - because some of them pay for it.

Unlike Israel.

AIPAC dictates US policy in the Middle East and several US politicians
including Bush Senior have paid the price for standing up to them.

Classic example:

In 1991, Israeli Prime Minister Yizhak Shamir, himself a former Terrorist,
asked the first Bush administration for $10 Billion in loan guarantees in
order, he said, to provide settlement for the Russian Jews.

Israel had encourage over a million Jews from Eastern Europe to move to
Israel yet they wanted the US taxpayer to pay for it.

Bush senior had already turned his nose up at a request from Congress to
give Israel an additional $650 million to compensate them for sitting out
the Gulf War, but gave in when he realised his opposition would be
overridden.

So, he told Shamir, the former terrorist, that he could only have the money
if Israel would freeze settlement building and promise that no Russian Jews
would be resettled in the West Bank.

Shamir, the former terrorist, refused and immediately called on the American
Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to organise the American Jewish
communities to rally in support of the loan guarantees.

A letter, which was drafted by AIPAC, was signed by more than 240 members of
the House demanding Bush approved the loan, 77 senators also signed on to
supporting the legislation.

ON September12, 1991, Jewish lobbyists descended on Washington in such
numbers Bush called a televised press conference in which he complained
that:

"1000 Jewish Lobbyists are on Capital Hill against little old me" he said.

It was a BIG mistake.

The next day, Tom Dine, AIPAC's Executive Director, declared that:

"September 12, 1991, is a day that will live in infamy"

Similar comments were also offered by other Jewish Leaders, who even accused
Bush of anti-Semitism. But not only that, his friends in the media turned
against him as well, they not only criticised him, but started to highlight
the faults in the economy and his running of the country.

There was no looking back for Bush, it was all downhill from there on.
His Jewish vote dropped from around 38% in 1988 to no more than 12%, some
estimates believe as low as 8% - he was finished, no thanks to AIPAC and the
Jewish Lobby.

Look at Bush II when he demanded Sharon withdraw his troops from Jenin:

"Enough is enough" he said.

He was immediately attacked and faced criticism from his own party as well
as in the press from rabid Zionists like William Saffire, who said Bush had:

"Become a wavering ally as Israel fights for survival."

A week later, Bush declared Ariel Sharon:

"A man of peace"

Oh yes, AIPAC wield far too much power in American politics alright.

[Snip of usual Zionist rant denying the power of AIPAC]

MWC

Susan Cohen

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"JBgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:05:21 +0000 (UTC), Michael W Cook
> <crusader_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/04 10:31 pm, in article bOp%c.247$SI4....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au,
>> "Gab" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:..
>
> ...
>
>>> YOU ARE LUCKY. AIPAC DOES NOT MURDER AT BESLAN, DARFUR, ISRAEL, SUDAN,
>>> ETC
>>> ETC ETC.
>>
>> Quite correct.
>> AIPAC, however, help secure huge financial and military support for
>> Israel.<
>
> And how does Egypt get its $2 billion a year in aid? Does AIPAC secure it
> for them too?
> And how does Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Jordan get to buy 2-3 times
> as much
> arms from the US than ISrael does? Does AIPAC secure it for them? The real
> question
> to be asked is, why are the Arabs getting as much aid and twice as many
> arms from the US
> than Israel is, and why doesn't the American people hear much about THAT?
> Clearly
> AIPAC does a better job for the Arabs in securing US aid and arms for the
> Arabs than it
> does for Israel, because while ISrael gets all the publicity as a large
> recipient of
> US aid and arms, the ARabs get more and hardly anyone in the US even knows
> it - EXCEPT
> up on Capitol hill!
>
And why is that Israel pays us back & no one else but Norway does?
Why is it that most of Israel's "aid" has to be spent in theUS?

Susan


rgol...@bellsouth.net

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plus the M1Abrams factory. in Egypt!! etc etc. but then you don't look at
shit correctly !

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Michael W Cook

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On 12/9/04 11:22 pm, in article y_31d.2436$lX.368@trnddc04, "Susan Cohen"
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote:

Hilarious.

More Zionist Lies that Suzie 'The Liar' Cohen is quite happy to believe.

America is Israel's very own 'Shopping Channel' where the credit limit and
repayments are always on the never-never.


MWC

Michael W Cook

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On 13/9/04 1:43 am, in article 0261d.4731$zT6....@bignews5.bellsouth.net,
"rgol...@bellsouth.net" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> plus the M1Abrams factory. in Egypt!! etc etc. but then you don't look at
> shit correctly !

Laughable.

If ever we met face to face, Goldman, I'd be looking at shit, there's
absolutely no doubt about that.

But are you an American or Israeli, OJ ?

I'd be keeping a low profile if I were you, what with your mercenary
activities for the Zionist State and your duel US/Israeli passport, you are
one of those people America is currently looking at as a potential Zionist
spy.

On second thoughts, you're too fucking stupid to be a spy and couldn't
organise a stag party in a brewery.

However, the US government should weed out scum like you and pack you off to
Israel, along with all the others like you in America with duel loyalties.

MWC


Gab

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when we talk about lies, hype, nonsense, bluff and stupid nonsense, we talk
about murderous Arab gangsters who ravage blacks in darfur, Jews in Israel
and Russians in the Caucasus.
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rgol...@bellsouth.net

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what's laughable? giving them the factories for the US Super tank? and the
rest of that aide?
and stupid remember you would never get close to me. because I don't visit
state mental institutions or their residents

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Michael W Cook

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On 13/9/04 11:03 am, in article Ahe1d.250$IC3....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au,
"Gab" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> when we talk about lies, hype, nonsense, bluff and stupid nonsense, we talk
> about murderous Arab gangsters who ravage blacks in darfur, Jews in Israel
> and Russians in the Caucasus.


We ?

We ?

I don't see any other names in your post but your own, who is "we" ?

Besides, I thought all the Russian Jews had moved to Israel, who then got
the US to foot the bill for their settlement.

MWC

Michael W Cook

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On 13/9/04 11:46 am, in article
0Te1d.126983$0o5.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net, "rgol...@bellsouth.net"
<rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> what's laughable? giving them the factories for the US Super tank? and the
> rest of that aide?
> and stupid remember you would never get close to me. because I don't visit
> state mental institutions or their residents


You seriously need to go back to school and learn some diction and
comprehension, Goldman. You also need to learn how to write more than one
sentence and in a manner others can understand.

Your 'Trailer-Park Trash' upbringing is really shining through.....

Hilarious.

MWV

Susan Cohen

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"Gab" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> when we talk about lies, hype, nonsense, bluff and stupid nonsense, we
> talk
> about murderous Arab gangsters who ravage blacks in darfur, Jews in Israel
> and Russians in the Caucasus.

You are speaking generally.
I am speaking specifically.
Of course, it could very well be that he is too stupid to realize that his
crap *is* lies.

>> Hilarious.
>>
>> More Zionist Lies that Suzie 'The Liar'

Funny how the sexist pig can't actually *prove* his lies.

Cohen is quite happy to believe.
>>
>> America is Israel's very own 'Shopping Channel' where the credit limit
>> and
>> repayments are always on the never-never.

And the lies just keep on coming....

Susan


Susan Cohen

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<rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> what's laughable?

Anything he wants to discredit without actually having to prove that
anything he says is correct.
Which is pretty much anything good about Jews.

Susan

rgol...@bellsouth.net

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the only one in a trailer park is you fool

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amigocabal

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THIS GOLDMAN PIECE OF JEW GARBAGE IS NO MORE AMERICAN THAN SADDAM IS!

amigocabal

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> "Jeffrey Gold" <JeffGo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:6ce83610.04090...@posting.google.com...
> > I am sick and tired of having an organization like AIPAC speak and spy
> > IN MY NAME. Most American Jews are loyal Americans and we are
> > desperate for Israel to achieve peace with the Palestinians. Who the
> > hell is Steve Rosen and Douglas Feith and when did these traitors get
> > control of my destiny.
> > America needs Mideast peace. Israel need peace. Palestinians need
> > peace and a state at last.
> > As a Jew I am repulsed by these goings on.
> > Who are these people?
> > And when are they going to jail?
> YOU ARE LUCKY. AIJAC DOES NOT MURDER AT BESLAN, DARFUR, ISRAEL, SUDAN, ETC
> ETC ETC.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T? FAT PIG SHARON TOLD YOU SO?

Rodger

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JeffGo...@aol.com (Jeffrey Gold) wrote in message news:<6ce83610.04090...@posting.google.com>...

When the U.S. develops some backbone and declares the Zionist lobby to
be criminal. Problem is, the U.S. has too many religious sociopaths in
Congress who care more about biblical superstition than the law.

It's time for another war of independence--this time from Israel.

Rodger

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"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<y_31d.2436$lX.368@trnddc04>...

Are you insane???

Israel does NOT pay the U.S. back. Billions of taxpayer loans have
been forgiven and U.S. "aid" goes toward building illegal colonies in
Occupied Palestine.

Susie the Shiksa reaches a new low in ziospamming desperation.

Theodore Herzl

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Michael W Cook <crusader_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<BD64852C.204A%crusader_p...@hotmail.com>...

One needs to draw a line between loyal Americans who happen to be
Jewish and dual citizenship Israeli's operating within our government.
Being of Jewish ethnicity or faith is a whole lot different than
having dual citizenship or loyalty.

AIPAC should be disbanded along with any other Political Action
Committee(s) who represent the political interests of other countries.
Those countries should be discussing the common interests through
their respective ambassadors and not by bribing our elected
representatives with PAC money. Our senators and congressmen are
elected to office to represent Americans, not foreign governments or
their interests in the United States. These PACs work, not in the
best interests of America, but instead to undermine the right of
Americans to vote and expect their representatives to represent their
collective interests above all.

If you are Jewish and honor America above all other nations, stand up
and denounce the radical Zionists who used you to infiltrate our
government and demand their removal. Israel is not the 51st state,
and their interests are not our own.

rgol...@bellsouth.net

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you can't demand any line drawn since you are nothing more then a Fake in a
Yasser Arafat suit.
go home to Saudi

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Michael W Cook

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On 14/9/04 1:15 am, in article
4Kq1d.127987$0o5....@bignews1.bellsouth.net, "rgol...@bellsouth.net"
<rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> you can't demand any line drawn since you are nothing more then a Fake in a
> Yasser Arafat suit. go home to Saudi

And YOU are one of those with 'Duel Nationality', Goldman.

The scourge of America.

And what makes you even worse than scum like Wolfowitz and Perle, is that
after serving for the US Navy you then did military service as a mercenary
for Israel to gain yourself a passport.

No doubt you also passed on sensitive information to Israel.

In the UK you'd have people in dark suits knocking on your door, and they'd
want to know all about your activities to find out how much information you
passed on to a foreign state.

You're a traitor to your country, Goldman.

MWC

Susan Cohen

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<rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> you can't demand any line drawn since you are nothing more then a Fake in
> a
> Yasser Arafat suit.

Notice that he pretends there are *so many* "Jewish spies" rather than focus
on the identified non-Jewish ones....
But he'll *swear* he's not a bigot....

Susan

rgol...@bellsouth.net

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again you make false claims against me. but then what else is new!

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rgol...@bellsouth.net

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him and cook will never get to that truth. but then why should they try?
they are both under achieving retards!

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Susan Cohen

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<rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> again you make false claims against me. but then what else is new!

Why should you be any different from anyone else?

Susan

rgol...@bellsouth.net

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still can't address issues can you ? you can only attack the messenger.
this shows your total ignorance about everything

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:05:02 -0400, JBgarbuz <jga...@netzero.com>
wrote:

[cut]


> The real
>question
>to be asked is, why are the Arabs getting as much aid and twice as many
>arms from the US
>than Israel is,

Parity?

[cut]

JBgarbuz

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America should pack off to GErmany all those with dual loyalties to
America and Der Fuehrer
as well. Not to mention those with dual loyalty to Osama bin Laden.
But if America shipped off all of its Jews to ISrael, that would only
strengthen Israel and weaken America. So do your worst. I'm a dual
national too. Include me on your list.


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On 13 Sep 2004 09:28:14 -0700, amigocabal <amigo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> THIS GOLDMAN PIECE OF JEW GARBAGE IS NO MORE AMERICAN THAN SADDAM IS!<

Saddam is more American than you!

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"JBgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Michael W Cook
> <crusader_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/9/04 1:43 am, in article
>> 0261d.4731$zT6....@bignews5.bellsouth.net,
>> "rgol...@bellsouth.net" <rgol...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> plus the M1Abrams factory. in Egypt!! etc etc. but then you don't look
>>> at
>>> shit correctly !
>>
>> Laughable.
>>
>> If ever we met face to face, Goldman, I'd be looking at shit, there's
>> absolutely no doubt about that.
>> But are you an American or Israeli, OJ ?
>> I'd be keeping a low profile if I were you, what with your mercenary
>> activities for the Zionist State and your duel US/Israeli passport, you
>> are
>> one of those people America is currently looking at as a potential
>> Zionist spy.

I always knew Cook was whacked, but this rather puts the final stamp on it.
What a nutjob!

On second thoughts, you're too fucking stupid to be a spy
>> and couldn't
>> organise a stag party in a brewery.
>> However, the US government should weed out scum like you and pack you
>> off to Israel, along with all the others like you in America with duel
>> loyalties.<
>
> America should pack off to GErmany all those with dual loyalties to
> America and Der Fuehrer
> as well.

Now watch him splutter.

Susan

Michael W Cook

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On 19/9/04 5:11 pm, in article 1095610292.D6YLe0JP1PdRQPyM9G+mdw@teranews,
"JBgarbuz" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote:

Do they have German passports as well as US Passports ?

Are they the cause of $10 million a day of taxpayers money being sent to
Germany ?

Do they spy on America for Germany ?

When it comes to rounding people up, murdering innocent women and children
and treating people as sub-human, the Zionists in Israel have learnt their
lessons well from the Nazis and have much in common.

> Not to mention those with dual loyalty to Osama bin Laden.

Hilarious, it's people like you who are the reason why lunatics such as bin
Laden exist and get a platform. Without Israel and confused people like you,
who don't know where you true loyalties lie, he would be redundant and out
of a job.



> But if America shipped off all of its Jews to ISrael, that would only
> strengthen Israel and weaken America.

America would immediately save the above $10 million each day and would also
be rid of one the biggest drains on their finances from the last 30 years.
Oil prices would go down, the vast markets of the Muslim world would open up
freely and Israel would cease to exist with 5-10 years.

Not such a bad idea after all.

>So do your worst. I'm a dual national too. Include me on your list.

Done.

Now piss off.

MWC

Michael W Cook

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On 19/9/04 6:55 pm, in article PKj3d.5863$464.1648@trnddc01, "Susan Cohen"
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote:

Careful, Suzie.

You know you always piss your knickers when you get excited.

rgol...@bellsouth.net

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here you show everyone you are nothing more then an Arab oil WHORE!!

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