More Israeli Espionage against the U.S.
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Sibel Edmonds has a story to tell. She went to work as a Turkish and
Farsi translator for the FBI five days after 9/11. Part of her job was
to translate and transcribe recordings of conversations between
suspected Turkish intelligence agents and their American contacts. She
was fired from the FBI in April 2002 after she raised concerns that
one of the translators in her section was a member of a Turkish
organization that was under investigation for bribing senior
government officials and members of Congress, drug trafficking,
illegal weapons sales, money laundering, and nuclear proliferation.
She appealed her termination, but was more alarmed that no effort was
being made to address the corruption that she had been monitoring.
A Department of Justice inspector general’s report called Edmonds’s
allegations “credible,” “serious,” and “warrant[ing] a thorough and
careful review by the FBI.” Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee members
Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) have backed her
publicly. “60 Minutes” launched an investigation of her claims and
found them believable. No one has ever disproved any of Edmonds’s
revelations, which she says can be verified by FBI investigative
files.
John Ashcroft’s Justice Department confirmed Edmonds’s veracity in a
backhanded way by twice invoking the dubious State Secrets Privilege
so she could not tell what she knows. The ACLU has called her “the
most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.”
But on Aug. 8, she was finally able to testify under oath in a court
case filed in Ohio and agreed to an interview with The American
Conservative based on that testimony. What follows is her own account
of what some consider the most incredible tale of corruption and
influence peddling in recent times. As Sibel herself puts it, “If this
were written up as a novel, no one would believe it.”
PHILIP GIRALDI: We were very interested to learn of your four-hour
deposition in the case involving allegations that Congresswoman Jean
Schmidt accepted money from the Turkish government in return for
political favors. You provided many names and details for the first
time on the record and swore an oath confirming that the deposition
was true.
Basically, you map out a corruption scheme involving U.S. government
employees and members of Congress and agents of foreign governments.
These agents were able to obtain information that was either used
directly by those foreign governments or sold to third parties, with
the proceeds often used as bribes to breed further corruption. Let’s
start with the first government official you identified, Marc
Grossman, then the third highest-ranking official at the State
Department.
SIBEL EDMONDS: During my work with the FBI, one of the major
operational files that I was transcribing and translating started in
late 1996 and continued until 2002, when I left the Bureau. Because
the FBI had had no Turkish translators, these files were archived, but
were considered to be very important operations. As part of the
background, I was briefed about why these operations had been
initiated and who the targets were.
Grossman became a person of interest early on in the investigative
file while he was the U.S. ambassador to Turkey [1994-97], when he
became personally involved with operatives both from the Turkish
government and from suspected criminal groups. He also had suspicious
contact with a number of official and non-official Israelis. Grossman
was removed from Turkey short of tour during a scandal referred to as
“Susurluk” by the media. It involved a number of high-level criminals
as well as senior army and intelligence officers with whom he had been
in contact.
Another individual who was working for Grossman, Air Force Major
Douglas Dickerson, was also removed from Turkey and sent to Germany.
After he and his Turkish wife Can returned to the U.S., he went to
work for Douglas Feith and she was hired as an FBI Turkish translator.
My complaints about her connection to Turkish lobbying groups led to
my eventual firing.
Grossman and Dickerson had to leave the country because a big
investigation had started in Turkey. Special prosecutors were
appointed, and the case was headlined in England, Germany, Italy, and
in some of the Balkan countries because the criminal groups were found
to be active in all those places. A leading figure in the scandal,
Mehmet Eymür, led a major paramilitary group for the Turkish
intelligence service. To keep him from testifying, Eymür was sent by
the Turkish government to the United States, where he worked for eight
months as head of intelligence at the Turkish Embassy in Washington.
He later became a U.S. citizen and now lives in McLean, Virginia. The
central figure in this scandal was Abdullah Catli. In 1989, while
“most wanted” by Interpol, he came to the U.S., was granted residency,
and settled in Chicago, where he continued to conduct his operations
until 1996.
GIRALDI: So Grossman at this point comes back to the United States.
He’s rewarded with the third-highest position at the State Department,
and he allegedly uses this position to do favors for “Turkish
interests”—both for the Turkish government and for possible criminal
interests. Sometimes, the two converge. The FBI is aware of his
activities and is listening to his phone calls. When someone who is
Turkish calls Grossman, the FBI monitors that individual’s phone
calls, and when the Turk calls a friend who is a Pakistani or an
Egyptian or a Saudi, they monitor all those contacts, widening the
net.
EDMONDS: Correct.
GIRALDI: And Grossman received money as a result. In one case, you
said that a State Department colleague went to pick up a bag of money…
EDMONDS: $14,000
GIRALDI: What kind of information was Grossman giving to foreign
countries? Did he give assistance to foreign individuals penetrating
U.S. government labs and defense installations as has been reported?
It’s also been reported that he was the conduit to a group of
congressmen who become, in a sense, the targets to be recruited as
“agents of influence.”
EDMONDS: Yes, that’s correct. Grossman assisted his Turkish and
Israeli contacts directly, and he also facilitated access to members
of Congress who might be inclined to help for reasons of their own or
could be bribed into cooperation. The top person obtaining classified
information was Congressman Tom Lantos. A Lantos associate, Alan
Makovsky worked very closely with Dr. Sabri Sayari in Georgetown
University, who is widely believed to be a Turkish spy. Lantos would
give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained
during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was
also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
GIRALDI: Makovsky is now working for the Washington Institute for Near
Eastern Policy, a pro-Israeli think tank.
EDMONDS: Yes. Lantos was at the time probably the most outspoken
supporter of Israel in Congress. AIPAC would take out the information
from Lantos that was relevant to Israel, and they would give the rest
of it to their Turkish associates. The Turks would go through the
leftovers, take what they wanted, and then try to sell the rest. If
there were something relevant to Pakistan, they would contact the ISI
officer at the embassy and say, “We’ve got this and this, let’s sit
down and talk.” And then they would sell it to the Pakistanis.
GIRALDI: ISI—Pakistani intelligence—has been linked to the Pakistani
nuclear proliferation program as well as to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
So the FBI was monitoring these connections going from a congressman
to a congressman’s assistant to a foreign individual who is connected
with intelligence to other intelligence people who are located at
different embassies in Washington. And all of this information is in
an FBI file somewhere?
EDMONDS: Two sets of FBI files, but the AIPAC-related files and the
Turkish files ended up converging in one. The FBI agents believed that
they were looking at the same operation. It didn’t start with AIPAC
originally. It started with the Israeli Embassy. The original targets
were intelligence officers under diplomatic cover in the Turkish
Embassy and the Israeli Embassy. It was those contacts that led to the
American Turkish Council and the Assembly of Turkish American
Associations and then to AIPAC fronting for the Israelis. It moved
forward from there.
GIRALDI: So the FBI was monitoring people from the Israeli Embassy and
the Turkish Embassy and one, might presume, the Pakistani Embassy as
well?
EDMONDS: They were the secondary target. They got leftovers from the
Turks and Israelis. The FBI would intercept communications to try to
identify who the diplomatic target’s intelligence chief was, but then,
in addition to that, there are individuals there, maybe the military
attaché, who had their own contacts who were operating independently
of others in the embassy.
GIRALDI: So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the
State Department providing information that enables Turkish and
Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress,
who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign
embassies?
EDMONDS: Absolutely. And we also had Pentagon officials doing the same
thing. We were looking at Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. They had a
list of individuals in the Pentagon broken down by access to certain
types of information. Some of them would be policy related, some of
them would be weapons-technology related, some of them would be
nuclear-related. Perle and Feith would provide the names of those
Americans, officials in the Pentagon, to Grossman, together with
highly sensitive personal information: this person is a closet gay;
this person has a chronic gambling issue; this person is an alcoholic.
The files on the American targets would contain things like the size
of their mortgages or whether they were going through divorces. One
Air Force major I remember was going through a really nasty divorce
and a child custody fight. They detailed all different kinds of
vulnerabilities.
GIRALDI: So they had access to their personnel files and also their
security files and were illegally accessing this kind of information
to give to foreign agents who exploited the vulnerabilities of these
people to recruit them as sources of information?
EDMONDS: Yes. Some of those individuals on the list were also working
for the RAND Corporation. RAND ended up becoming one of the prime
targets for these foreign agents.
GIRALDI: RAND does highly classified research for the U.S. government.
So they were setting up these people for recruitment as agents or as
agents of influence?
EDMONDS: Yes, and the RAND sources would be paid peanuts compared to
what the information was worth when it was sold if it was not
immediately useful for Turkey or Israel. They also had sources who
were working in some midwestern Air Force bases. The sources would
provide the information on CD’s and DVD’s. In one case, for example, a
Turkish military attaché got the disc and discovered that it was
something really important, so he offered it to the Pakistani ISI
person at the embassy, but the price was too high. Then a Turkish
contact in Chicago said he knew two Saudi businessmen in Detroit who
would be very interested in this information, and they would pay the
price. So the Turkish military attaché flew to Detroit with his
assistant to make the sale.
GIRALDI: We know Grossman was receiving money for services.
EDMONDS: Yes. Sometimes he would give money to the people who were
working with him, identified in phone calls on a first-name basis,
whether it’s a John or a Joe. He also took care of some other people,
including his contact at the New York Times. Grossman would brag, “We
just fax to our people at the New York Times. They print it under
their names.”
GIRALDI: Did Feith and Perle receive any money that you know of?
EDMONDS: No.
GIRALDI: So they were doing favors for other reasons. Both Feith and
Perle were lobbyists for Turkey and also were involved with Israel on
defense contracts, including some for Northrop Grumman, which Feith
represented in Israel.
EDMONDS: They had arrangements with various companies, some of them
members of the American Turkish Council. They had arrangements with
Kissinger’s group, with Northrop Grumman, with former secretary of
state James Baker’s group, and also with former national security
adviser Brent Scowcroft.
The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz,
and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were
discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement
whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK
would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were
negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack
from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-
part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish
region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more
than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to
the ambassador and his defense attaché in an attempt to convince them
to help.
Meanwhile Scowcroft, who was also the chairman of the American Turkish
Council, Baker, Richard Armitage, and Grossman began negotiating
separately for a possible Turkish protectorate. Nothing was decided,
and then 9/11 took place.
Scowcroft was all for invading Iraq in 2001 and even wrote a paper for
the Pentagon explaining why the Turkish northern front would be
essential. I know Scowcroft came off as a hero to some for saying he
was against the war, but he was very much for it until his client’s
conditions were not met by the Bush administration.
GIRALDI: Armitage was deputy secretary of state at the time Scowcroft
and Baker were running their own consulting firms that were doing
business with Turkey. Grossman had just become undersecretary, third
in the State hierarchy behind Armitage.
You’ve previouly alluded to efforts by Grossman, as well as high-
ranking officials at the Pentagon, to place Ph.D. students. Can you
describe that in more detail?
EDMONDS: The seeding operation started before Marc Grossman arrived at
the State Department. The Turkish agents had a network of Turkish
professors in various universities with access to government
information. Their top source was a Turkish-born professor of nuclear
physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He was useful
because MIT would place a bunch of Ph.D. or graduate-level students in
various nuclear facilities like Sandia or Los Alamos, and some of them
were able to work for the Air Force. He would provide the list of
Ph.D. students who should get these positions. In some cases, the
Turkish military attaché would ask that certain students be placed in
important positions. And they were not necessarily all Turkish, but
the ones they selected had struck deals with the Turkish agents to
provide information in return for money. If for some reason they had
difficulty getting a secuity clearance, Grossman would ensure that the
State Department would arrange to clear them.
In exchange for the information that these students would provide,
they would be paid $4,000 or $5,000. And the information that was sold
to the two Saudis in Detroit went for something like $350,000 or
$400,000.
GIRALDI: This corruption wasn’t confined to the State Department and
the Pentagon—it infected Congress as well. You’ve named people like
former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, now a registered agent of the
Turkish government. In your deposition, you describe the process of
breaking foreign-originated contributions into small units, $200 or
less, so that the source didn’t have to be reported. Was this the
primary means of influencing congressmen, or did foreign agents
exploit vulnerabilities to get what they wanted using something like
blackmail?
EDMONDS: In early 1997, because of the information that the FBI was
getting on the Turkish diplomatic community, the Justice Department
had already started to investigate several Republican congressmen. The
number-one congressman involved with the Turkish community, both in
terms of providing information and doing favors, was Bob Livingston.
Number-two after him was Dan Burton, and then he became number-one
until Hastert became the speaker of the House. Bill Clinton’s attorney
general, Janet Reno, was briefed on the investigations, and since they
were Republicans, she authorized that they be continued.
Well, as the FBI developed more information, Tom Lantos was added to
this list, and then they got a lot on Douglas Feith and Richard Perle
and Marc Grossman. At this point, the Justice Department said they
wanted the FBI to only focus on Congress, leaving the executive branch
people out of it. But the FBI agents involved wanted to continue
pursuing Perle and Feith because the Israeli Embassy was also
connected. Then the Monica Lewinsky scandal erupted, and everything
was placed on the back burner.
But some of the agents continued to investigate the congressional
connection. In 1999, they wiretapped the congressmen directly. (Prior
to that point they were getting all their information secondhand
through FISA, as their primary targets were foreigners.) The
questionably legal wiretap gave the perfect excuse to the Justice
Department. As soon as they found out, they refused permission to
monitor the congressmen and Grossman as primary targets. But the
inquiry was kept alive in Chicago because the FBI office there was
pursuing its own investigation. The epicenter of a lot of the foreign
espionage activity was Chicago.
GIRALDI: So the investigation stopped in Washington, but continued in
Chicago?
EDMONDS: Yes, and in 2000, another representative was added to the
list, Jan Schakowsky, the Democratic congresswoman from Illinois.
Turkish agents started gathering information on her, and they found
out that she was bisexual. So a Turkish agent struck up a relationship
with her. When Jan Schakowsky’s mother died, the Turkish woman went to
the funeral, hoping to exploit her vulnerability. They later were
intimate in Schakowsky’s townhouse, which had been set up with
recording devices and hidden cameras. They needed Schakowsky and her
husband Robert Creamer to perform certain illegal operational
facilitations for them in Illinois. They already had Hastert, the
mayor, and several other Illinois state senators involved. I don’t
know if Congresswoman Schakowsky ever was actually blackmailed or did
anything for the Turkish woman.
GIRALDI: So we have a pattern of corruption starting with government
officials providing information to foreigners and helping them make
contact with other Americans who had valuable information. Some of
these officials, like Marc Grossman, were receiving money directly.
Others were receiving business favors: Pentagon associates like Doug
Feith and Richard Perle had interests in Israel and Turkey. The stolen
information was being sold, and the money that was being generated was
used to corrupt certain congressmen to influence policy and provide
still more information—in many cases information related to nuclear
technology.
EDMONDS: As well as weapons technology, conventional weapons
technology, and Pentagon policy-related information.
GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda
in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that
suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the
Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact
continued until 9/11…
EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the
U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups,
including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen.
GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command
or CIA.
EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they
meant CIA?
GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.
EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to
do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did
anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always
“bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural.
There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to
Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked
with them.
There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under
our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing
people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to
Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to
Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey,
they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and
weapons went one way, drugs came back.
GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?
EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with
NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the
U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and
Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched
were coming with suitcases of heroin.
GIRALDI: And, of course, none of this has been investigated. What do
you think the chances are that the Obama administration will try to
end this criminal activity?
EDMONDS: Well, even during Obama’s presidential campaign, I did not
buy into his slogan of “change” being promoted by the media and,
unfortunately, by the naïve blogosphere. First of all, Obama’s record
as a senator, short as it was, spoke clearly. For all those changes
that he was promising, he had done nothing. In fact, he had taken the
opposite position, whether it was regarding the NSA’s wiretapping or
the issue of national-security whistleblowers. We whistleblowers had
written to his Senate office. He never responded, even though he was
on the relevant committees.
As soon as Obama became president, he showed us that the State Secrets
Privilege was going to continue to be a tool of choice. It’s an arcane
executive privilege to cover up wrongdoing—in many cases, criminal
activities. And the Obama administration has not only defended using
the State Secrets Privilege, it has been trying to take it even
further than the previous terrible administration by maintaining that
the U.S. government has sovereign immunity. This is Obama’s change:
his administration seems to think it doesn’t even have to invoke state
secrets as our leaders are emperors who possess this sovereign
immunity. This is not the kind of language that anybody in a democracy
would use.
The other thing I noticed is how Chicago, with its culture of
political corruption, is central to the new administration. When I saw
that Obama’s choice of chief of staff was Rahm Emanuel, knowing his
relationship with Mayor Richard Daley and with the Hastert crowd, I
knew we were not going to see positive changes. Changes possibly, but
changes for the worse. It was no coincidence that the Turkish criminal
entity’s operation centered on Chicago.
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Joe Bruno
wrote:
So you think allies never spy on each other?LOL!
During WWII, the USSR repeatedly spied on both the USA and Britain,
both it's allies.
During WWI, the British cut into the transatlantic cable to intercept
messages sent by Washington to Berlin.
Honest truth
> So you think allies never spy on each other?LOL!
>
> During WWII, the USSR repeatedly spied on both the USA and Britain,
> both it's allies.
> During WWI, the British cut into the transatlantic cable to intercept
> messages sent by Washington to Berlin.
The United States routinely spies on Israel to try to gather information on
its assumed atomic arsenal and secret government deliberations, according
to "Masterpiece: An Inside Look at Sixty Years of Israeli Intelligence,"
American spy agencies use technologies like electronic eavesdropping, and
trained staff from the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, for "methodical
intelligence gathering."
--
嚙踝蕭Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man嚙踝蕭s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
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"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:09:12 -0800 (PST), Joe Bruno wrote:
>
>> So you think allies never spy on each other?LOL!
>>
>> During WWII, the USSR repeatedly spied on both the USA and Britain,
>> both it's allies.
>> During WWI, the British cut into the transatlantic cable to intercept
>> messages sent by Washington to Berlin.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JEWS AND ISRAEL HERE, NO COMPARISON IN THE RELATIONSHIP
AND THE DRAG THAT ISRAEL IS PLACING ON AMERICA.
This is something quite different from the street-level antisemitism of
the past For the first time the Russian people have realized what an awful
history they have had. It is no longer Solzhenitsyn saying there were 60
million victims of state terror; now conservative Soviet historians are
estimating 40 million. So the Russians have found that it was their regime
that destroyed all the cultural institutions, all the moral values, and
every day they see it discussed on television, and their historians tell
them, and new graves are discovered. And, of course, they remember who was
Karl Marx, and someone is saying that the grandfather of Lenin was Jewish...
It is mother nature that the scapegoat becomes the Jew.
What Shcharansky and other Jewish leaders find most disturbing about the new
antisemitism, "no longer just street- level," is the fact that it is to be
found in intellectual circles. Here, he says, it takes the form of a debate
around the question of Jewish responsibility for the years of Bolshevism.
Indeed, that was the charge levelled at the Soviet mathematician, Igor
Shafarevich, forcing Cambridge University to cancel a plan to award him an
honorary degree. In a manifesto entitled "Russophobia," Shafarevich claimed
that what he called "a very active Jewish component" was among those who
"slander the Russian nation." He also stated that in the revolutionary
movement, which he blamed for having destroyed Russian values, "Jewish
revolutionaries were motivated by a desire for revenge instilled by 2000
years of Jewish religious heritage," and that "a radical Jewish nationalism
was present in the Revolution and is still present."
So too, the letter signed by 77 leading Soviet intellectuals and published
in Literaturnaya Rossiya spoke harshly of the Jewish role.
>
> The United States routinely spies on Israel to try to gather information
> on
> its assumed atomic arsenal and secret government deliberations, according
> to "Masterpiece: An Inside Look at Sixty Years of Israeli Intelligence,"
> American spy agencies use technologies like electronic eavesdropping, and
> trained staff from the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv, for "methodical
> intelligence gathering."
than they use israelies whose reaction though not as dramatic as muslims yet
comes out as the guy who sold nukes secrets to israel said, "America ,
israel, give me israel every time"
>
> --
> ��Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man��s nature, there
> is
> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. �K If the Jews are rich [these
> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
> his own land, he is prevented from doing so.��
>
> Lloyd George
Nearly four years after Hitler had come to power, David Lloyd George �X
Britain��s prime minister during World War I �X made an extensive tour of
Germany. In an article published in a leading London newspaper in late 1936,
the British statesman recounted what he had seen and experienced. His
description, said Weber, is difficult to reconcile with the image to which
most Americans are accustomed.
��Whatever one may think of his [Hitler��s] methods,�� wrote Lloyd George,
��and they are certainly not those of a parliamentary country, there can be
no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation in the spirit of
the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and
economic outlook.
��He rightly claimed at Nuremberg that in four years his movement had made a
new Germany. It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the
war �X broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and
impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of
determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence
outside its own frontiers.
��There is for the first time since the war a general sense of security. The
people are more cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of
spirit throughout the land. It is a happier Germany. I saw it everywhere,
and Englishmen I met during my trip and who knew Germany well were very
impressed with the change.
��One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A
magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute
will and a dauntless heart. He is not merely in name but in fact the
national Leader. He has made them safe against potential enemies by whom
they were surrounded. He is also securing them against the constant dread of
starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of
the [First World] War and the first years of the Peace.
��As to his popularity, especially among the youth of Germany, there can be
no manner of doubt. The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is not the
admiration accorded to a popular leader. It is the worship of a national
hero who has saved his country from utter despondence and degradation. To
those who have actually seen and sensed the way Hitler reigns over the heart
and mind of Germany, this description may appear extravagant. All the same
it is the bare truth.��
In today��s America, said Weber, outright lies about Hitler and Third Reich
Germany are widespread and unchallenged. One of the most often repeated of
these is that Hitler tried to ��conquer the world.�� In fact, said Weber,
Hitler put great effort into cultivating friendship with other countries,
above all with Britain. At the same time that he was earnestly striving to
avoid clashes with the United States, President Roosevelt was doing
everything in his power to push the US into war against Germany, including
broadcasting fantastic lies about Hitler and his supposed ambition to take
over the world. Weber cited President Roosevelt��s radio address of October
27, 1941, in which he claimed that Hitler threatened the nominally neutral
United States, was plotting to take over all of South America, and was
determined to abolish all existing world religions, including Christianity,
and replace them with ��an international Nazi church.��
To support their distorted portrayals of Hitler and the Third Reich,
prominent historians rely upon and cite fraudulent source materials. A good
example, said Weber, is the supposed memoir of Hermann Rauschning, an
official in the German city-state of Danzig who broke with the National
Socialist movement in 1934-35, and then moved to France and later to the
United States. In his book, published in the US under the title The Voice of
Destruction, he presents page after page of what are purported to be
Hitler's most intimate views and secret plans for the future, allegedly
based on many private conversations between 1932 and 1934.
In fact, Weber said, Rauschning never had even a single private talk with
Hitler. All the same, lurid but fake quotes attributed to him by Rauschning
have found their way into numerous history books.
Weber held up copies of a few of the many books that rely on Rauschning��s
fraudulent ��revelations,�� including The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,
by William L. Shirer, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, by Alan Bullock, and
Hitler, by Joachim Fest.
While it��s true that winners write history, that alone does not entirely
explain why Hitler and the Third Reich continue to be portrayed in such a
distorted and prejudiced way in our society. This widespread and enduring
bias with regard to Hitler and his regime, concluded Weber, is a reflection
of the Jewish-Zionist grip on American cultural and political life.
Irving on 'Faking�� History
Weber introduced David Irving by noting that even his adversaries concede
that his knowledge of Hitler and wartime Germany is unrivaled. The British
historian is the author of numerous books on this era, many of them
best-sellers, including his monumental work, Hitler��s War. Before and after
his 45-minute address, entitled ��The Faking of Adolf Hitler for History,��
Irving autographed copies of his books.
Among the many fraudulent historical documents that have been cited over the
years by ��conformist�� historians of the Third Reich era, Irving said, have
been the fake wartime diaries of Gerhard Engel, Hitler��s army adjutant, and
of Felix Kersten, masseur and confidant of Himmler. Similarly unreliable is
the diary of Mussolini��s foreign minister Galeazzo Ciano, which American
officials doctored after the war. Completely fake are Hitler��s supposed
��table talk�� remarks from February and April 1945. Irving related that the
Swiss lawyer Francois Genoud, now dead, admitted privately that he had
fabricated them.
Irving related that many valuable documents and research materials seized
during the course of his drawn-out legal battle with Jewish academic Deborah
Lipstadt have been destroyed or ��lost.��
He spoke contemptuously of the ��historian incest�� of his establishment
rivals, many of whom write new books about Hitler based on earlier and
equally derivative works by others who share similar prejudices. Irving, by
contrast, is known for his reliance on original documents dug out of major
archives, as well as diaries and letters obtained through great effort from
private individuals.
TheZ
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Mehmet Eym�r, led a major paramilitary group for the Turkish
intelligence service. To keep him from testifying, Eym�r was sent by
EDMONDS: Correct.
EDMONDS: $14,000
attach�, who had their own contacts who were operating independently
Turkish military attach� got the disc and discovered that it was
something really important, so he offered it to the Pakistani ISI
person at the embassy, but the price was too high. Then a Turkish
contact in Chicago said he knew two Saudi businessmen in Detroit who
would be very interested in this information, and they would pay the
price. So the Turkish military attach� flew to Detroit with his
EDMONDS: No.
the ambassador and his defense attach� in an attempt to convince them
to help.
Turkish military attach� would ask that certain students be placed in
including Abdullah �atli�s group, Fethullah G�len.
unfortunately, by the na�ve blogosphere. First of all, Obama�s record
Joe Bruno
> "Honest truth" <Honest_tr...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
>
> news:if4thx1e1om0$.1vy3n1uj814l7$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:09:12 -0800 (PST), Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> >> So you think allies never spy on each other?LOL!
>
> >> During WWII, the USSR repeatedly spied on both the USA and Britain,
> >> both it's allies.
> >> During WWI, the British cut into the transatlantic cable to intercept
> >> messages sent by Washington to Berlin.
>
> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JEWS AND ISRAEL HERE, NO COMPARISON IN THE RELATIONSHIP
> AND THE DRAG THAT ISRAEL IS PLACING ON AMERICA.
The subject line was allies spying on each other.It wasn't just about
Israel because the article also mentioned Turkey.
coaste...@yahoo.com
Yes, it mentioned Turkey, which has apparently made a pact with the
devil to pillage American secrets. Yet prevention of further Israeli
humiliation of the U.S. is a much higher priority. Below are some of
the reasons:
The Cold War is over. *Israel* is the primary reason we are in a
bloody mess in the Middle-East. Were it not for her we could have
followed our own interests there which lie in a much lower profile. We
might even have been able to go back to our previous "off-shore"
policy in the region which for decades after WWII was very successful.
Israel will neither acknowledge US interests in a settlement with the
Palestinians nor call off its lobby which corrupts and stifles our
Congress. This arrogance would be impossible had we not lost control
of our policy in the region to that lobby.
Israel is much too expensive to maintain in a one-way relationship.
The formal aid program is simply the visible part of that expense. We
have assumed immense burdens on her behalf which but for that
arrogance would not have been necessary. The deterioration of our
economy is partially the result.
Israel and her agents have committed crimes against us repeatedly and
continue to do so as we speak. From the Lavon Affair to the U.S.S.
Liberty carnage to the shameful betrayals of her continuous espionage
and covert thefts, Israel clearly feels no obligation whatever to us
as a nation. She uses us to cudgel the multiple enemies she has made
in the Middle East and enforces it by corrupting our democracy.
Israel is an apartheid state, hypocritically pretending to respect
democratic values, which has maintained a brutal and illegal
occupation for over forty years. Close association with Israeli
aggressors has destroyed our international reputation.
When Israel is concerned, Zionist Americans have gigantic conflicts of
interest and clearly do not to give a damn about the damage done us
through open-ended support of the Jewish State.
Zionism is at bottom line a violent man-made ideology with
territorially aggressive traits similar to Marxism-Leninism and
National Socialism. We Americans are judged by the company we keep.
In the moral sense we owe far less to Israel than we do to other
countries. Our debt to Mexico, for example, originated in 1848 and
piled-up during most of the 20th Century. It still accumulates. Just
last year she lost 10,000 dead in an internal war with drug cartels
along the border which was the direct product of our appetites and
vices and of our failed "War on Drugs". We have destabilized the
Andean region in similar fashion. Colombia is a basket-case. In fact
at present we have greater moral obligations to the Palestinians and
the Iraqis by far than to the Israelis. We have unjustly aided and
abetted their descent into misery. And why? Because the Israelis want
the West Bank and the Golan and we haven't the guts to face them down.
The rest of the world watches this humiliation of a great nation with
confusion and disbelief.
Don Ocean
I agree. We need to neutralize the Jews once and for all. America can
never rebuild its economic base while those bastards are bleeding us white.
>
>
>
YID ARMY
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> Jewish espionage in the US beyond belief
> Posted by Europe on Oct 08, 2009 | Leave a Comment
>
> Sibel Edmonds has a story to tell. She went to work as a Turkish and
> Farsi translator for the FBI five days after 9/11. Part of her job was
> to translate and transcribe recordings of conversations between
> suspected Turkish intelligence agents and their American contacts. She
> was fired from the FBI in April 2002 after she raised concerns that
> one of the translators in her section was a member of a Turkish
> organization that was under investigation for bribing senior
> government officials and members of Congress, drug trafficking,
> illegal weapons sales, money laundering, and nuclear proliferation.
> She appealed her termination, but was more alarmed that no effort was
> being made to address the corruption that she had been monitoring.
>
> allegations �credible,� �serious,� and �warrant[ing] a thorough and
> careful review by the FBI.� Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee members
> Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) have backed her
> found them believable. No one has ever disproved any of Edmonds�s
> revelations, which she says can be verified by FBI investigative
> files.
>
> backhanded way by twice invoking the dubious State Secrets Privilege
> most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.�
>
> But on Aug. 8, she was finally able to testify under oath in a court
> case filed in Ohio and agreed to an interview with The American
> Conservative based on that testimony. What follows is her own account
> of what some consider the most incredible tale of corruption and
> were written up as a novel, no one would believe it.�
>
> PHILIP GIRALDI: We were very interested to learn of your four-hour
> deposition in the case involving allegations that Congresswoman Jean
> Schmidt accepted money from the Turkish government in return for
> political favors. You provided many names and details for the first
> time on the record and swore an oath confirming that the deposition
> was true.
>
> Basically, you map out a corruption scheme involving U.S. government
> employees and members of Congress and agents of foreign governments.
> These agents were able to obtain information that was either used
> directly by those foreign governments or sold to third parties, with
> start with the first government official you identified, Marc
> Grossman, then the third highest-ranking official at the State
> Department.
>
> SIBEL EDMONDS: During my work with the FBI, one of the major
> operational files that I was transcribing and translating started in
> late 1996 and continued until 2002, when I left the Bureau. Because
> the FBI had had no Turkish translators, these files were archived, but
> were considered to be very important operations. As part of the
> background, I was briefed about why these operations had been
> initiated and who the targets were.
>
> Grossman became a person of interest early on in the investigative
> file while he was the U.S. ambassador to Turkey [1994-97], when he
> became personally involved with operatives both from the Turkish
> government and from suspected criminal groups. He also had suspicious
> contact with a number of official and non-official Israelis. Grossman
> was removed from Turkey short of tour during a scandal referred to as
> as well as senior army and intelligence officers with whom he had been
> in contact.
>
> Another individual who was working for Grossman, Air Force Major
> Douglas Dickerson, was also removed from Turkey and sent to Germany.
> After he and his Turkish wife Can returned to the U.S., he went to
> work for Douglas Feith and she was hired as an FBI Turkish translator.
> My complaints about her connection to Turkish lobbying groups led to
> my eventual firing.
>
> Grossman and Dickerson had to leave the country because a big
> investigation had started in Turkey. Special prosecutors were
> appointed, and the case was headlined in England, Germany, Italy, and
> in some of the Balkan countries because the criminal groups were found
> to be active in all those places. A leading figure in the scandal,
> intelligence service. To keep him from testifying, Eym�r was sent by
> the Turkish government to the United States, where he worked for eight
> months as head of intelligence at the Turkish Embassy in Washington.
> He later became a U.S. citizen and now lives in McLean, Virginia. The
> central figure in this scandal was Abdullah Catli. In 1989, while
> and settled in Chicago, where he continued to conduct his operations
> until 1996.
>
> GIRALDI: So Grossman at this point comes back to the United States.
> and he allegedly uses this position to do favors for �Turkish
> interests��both for the Turkish government and for possible criminal
> interests. Sometimes, the two converge. The FBI is aware of his
> activities and is listening to his phone calls. When someone who is
> calls, and when the Turk calls a friend who is a Pakistani or an
> Egyptian or a Saudi, they monitor all those contacts, widening the
> net.
>
> EDMONDS: Correct.
>
> GIRALDI: And Grossman received money as a result. In one case, you
>
> EDMONDS: $14,000
>
> GIRALDI: What kind of information was Grossman giving to foreign
> countries? Did he give assistance to foreign individuals penetrating
> U.S. government labs and defense installations as has been reported?
> congressmen who become, in a sense, the targets to be recruited as
>
> EDMONDS: Yes, that�s correct. Grossman assisted his Turkish and
> Israeli contacts directly, and he also facilitated access to members
> of Congress who might be inclined to help for reasons of their own or
> could be bribed into cooperation. The top person obtaining classified
> information was Congressman Tom Lantos. A Lantos associate, Alan
> Makovsky worked very closely with Dr. Sabri Sayari in Georgetown
> University, who is widely believed to be a Turkish spy. Lantos would
> give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained
> during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was
> also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
>
> GIRALDI: Makovsky is now working for the Washington Institute for Near
> Eastern Policy, a pro-Israeli think tank.
>
> EDMONDS: Yes. Lantos was at the time probably the most outspoken
> supporter of Israel in Congress. AIPAC would take out the information
> from Lantos that was relevant to Israel, and they would give the rest
> of it to their Turkish associates. The Turks would go through the
> leftovers, take what they wanted, and then try to sell the rest. If
> there were something relevant to Pakistan, they would contact the ISI
> down and talk.� And then they would sell it to the Pakistanis.
>
> GIRALDI: ISI�Pakistani intelligence�has been linked to the Pakistani
> nuclear proliferation program as well as to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
>
> So the FBI was monitoring these connections going from a congressman
> with intelligence to other intelligence people who are located at
> different embassies in Washington. And all of this information is in
> an FBI file somewhere?
>
> EDMONDS: Two sets of FBI files, but the AIPAC-related files and the
> Turkish files ended up converging in one. The FBI agents believed that
> originally. It started with the Israeli Embassy. The original targets
> were intelligence officers under diplomatic cover in the Turkish
> Embassy and the Israeli Embassy. It was those contacts that led to the
> American Turkish Council and the Assembly of Turkish American
> Associations and then to AIPAC fronting for the Israelis. It moved
> forward from there.
>
> GIRALDI: So the FBI was monitoring people from the Israeli Embassy and
> the Turkish Embassy and one, might presume, the Pakistani Embassy as
> well?
>
> EDMONDS: They were the secondary target. They got leftovers from the
> Turks and Israelis. The FBI would intercept communications to try to
> in addition to that, there are individuals there, maybe the military
> Turkish military attach� got the disc and discovered that it was
> something really important, so he offered it to the Pakistani ISI
> person at the embassy, but the price was too high. Then a Turkish
> contact in Chicago said he knew two Saudi businessmen in Detroit who
> would be very interested in this information, and they would pay the
> assistant to make the sale.
>
> GIRALDI: We know Grossman was receiving money for services.
>
> EDMONDS: Yes. Sometimes he would give money to the people who were
> working with him, identified in phone calls on a first-name basis,
> including his contact at the New York Times. Grossman would brag, �We
> just fax to our people at the New York Times. They print it under
>
> GIRALDI: Did Feith and Perle receive any money that you know of?
>
> EDMONDS: No.
>
> GIRALDI: So they were doing favors for other reasons. Both Feith and
> Perle were lobbyists for Turkey and also were involved with Israel on
> defense contracts, including some for Northrop Grumman, which Feith
> represented in Israel.
>
> EDMONDS: They had arrangements with various companies, some of them
> members of the American Turkish Council. They had arrangements with
> state James Baker�s group, and also with former national security
> adviser Brent Scowcroft.
>
> The monitoring of the Turks picked up contacts with Feith, Wolfowitz,
> and Perle in the summer of 2001, four months before 9/11. They were
> discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement
> whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country. The UK
> would take the south, the rest would go to the U.S. They were
> negotiating what Turkey required in exchange for allowing an attack
> from Turkish soil. The Turks were very supportive, but wanted a three-
> part division of Iraq to include their own occupation of the Kurdish
> region. The three Defense Department officials said that would be more
> than they could agree to, but they continued daily communications to
> to help.
>
> Meanwhile Scowcroft, who was also the chairman of the American Turkish
> Council, Baker, Richard Armitage, and Grossman began negotiating
> separately for a possible Turkish protectorate. Nothing was decided,
> and then 9/11 took place.
>
> Scowcroft was all for invading Iraq in 2001 and even wrote a paper for
> the Pentagon explaining why the Turkish northern front would be
> essential. I know Scowcroft came off as a hero to some for saying he
> conditions were not met by the Bush administration.
>
> GIRALDI: Armitage was deputy secretary of state at the time Scowcroft
> and Baker were running their own consulting firms that were doing
> business with Turkey. Grossman had just become undersecretary, third
> in the State hierarchy behind Armitage.
>
> ranking officials at the Pentagon, to place Ph.D. students. Can you
> describe that in more detail?
>
> EDMONDS: The seeding operation started before Marc Grossman arrived at
> the State Department. The Turkish agents had a network of Turkish
> professors in various universities with access to government
> information. Their top source was a Turkish-born professor of nuclear
> physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He was useful
> because MIT would place a bunch of Ph.D. or graduate-level students in
> various nuclear facilities like Sandia or Los Alamos, and some of them
> were able to work for the Air Force. He would provide the list of
> Ph.D. students who should get these positions. In some cases, the
> important positions. And they were not necessarily all Turkish, but
> the ones they selected had struck deals with the Turkish agents to
> provide information in return for money. If for some reason they had
> difficulty getting a secuity clearance, Grossman would ensure that the
> State Department would arrange to clear them.
>
> In exchange for the information that these students would provide,
> they would be paid $4,000 or $5,000. And the information that was sold
> to the two Saudis in Detroit went for something like $350,000 or
> $400,000.
>
> the Pentagon�it infected Congress as well. You�ve named people like
> former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, now a registered agent of the
> Turkish government. In your deposition, you describe the process of
> breaking foreign-originated contributions into small units, $200 or
> primary means of influencing congressmen, or did foreign agents
> exploit vulnerabilities to get what they wanted using something like
> blackmail?
>
> EDMONDS: In early 1997, because of the information that the FBI was
> getting on the Turkish diplomatic community, the Justice Department
> had already started to investigate several Republican congressmen. The
> number-one congressman involved with the Turkish community, both in
> terms of providing information and doing favors, was Bob Livingston.
> Number-two after him was Dan Burton, and then he became number-one
> the funeral, hoping to exploit her vulnerability. They later were
> recording devices and hidden cameras. They needed Schakowsky and her
> husband Robert Creamer to perform certain illegal operational
> facilitations for them in Illinois. They already had Hastert, the
> know if Congresswoman Schakowsky ever was actually blackmailed or did
> anything for the Turkish woman.
>
> GIRALDI: So we have a pattern of corruption starting with government
> officials providing information to foreigners and helping them make
> contact with other Americans who had valuable information. Some of
> these officials, like Marc Grossman, were receiving money directly.
> Others were receiving business favors: Pentagon associates like Doug
> Feith and Richard Perle had interests in Israel and Turkey. The stolen
> information was being sold, and the money that was being generated was
> used to corrupt certain congressmen to influence policy and provide
> technology.
>
> EDMONDS: As well as weapons technology, conventional weapons
> technology, and Pentagon policy-related information.
>
> GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda
> in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that
> suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the
> Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact
>
> EDMONDS: I don�t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the
> U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups,
>
> GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command
> or CIA.
>
> EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they
> meant CIA?
>
> GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.
>
> EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to
> do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did
> �bin Laden� and, in fact, not �bin Laden� but �bin Ladens� plural.
> There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to
> Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked
> with them.
>
> There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under
> our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing
> people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to
> Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to
> Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey,
> they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and
> weapons went one way, drugs came back.
>
> GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?
>
> EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with
> NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the
> U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and
> Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched
> were coming with suitcases of heroin.
>
> GIRALDI: And, of course, none of this has been investigated. What do
> you think the chances are that the Obama administration will try to
> end this criminal activity?
>
> buy into his slogan of �change� being promoted by the media and,
> unfortunately, by the na�ve blogosphere. First of all, Obama�s record
> as a senator, short as it was, spoke clearly. For all those changes
> that he was promising, he had done nothing. In fact, he had taken the
> the issue of national-security whistleblowers. We whistleblowers had
> written to his Senate office. He never responded, even though he was
> on the relevant committees.
>
> As soon as Obama became president, he showed us that the State Secrets
> executive privilege to cover up wrongdoing�in many cases, criminal
> activities. And the Obama administration has not only defended using
> the State Secrets Privilege, it has been trying to take it even
> further than the previous terrible administration by maintaining that
> his administration seems to think it doesn�t even have to invoke state
> secrets as our leaders are emperors who possess this sovereign
> immunity. This is not the kind of language that anybody in a democracy
> would use.
>
> The other thing I noticed is how Chicago, with its culture of
> political corruption, is central to the new administration. When I saw
> relationship with Mayor Richard Daley and with the Hastert crowd, I
> knew we were not going to see positive changes. Changes possibly, but
> changes for the worse. It was no coincidence that the Turkish criminal
>
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So you think allies never spy on each other?LOL!
During WWII, the USSR repeatedly spied on both the USA and Britain,
both it's allies.
During WWI, the British cut into the transatlantic cable to intercept
messages sent by Washington to Berlin.
It's only relevant to wankers like him because it's 'the jooz'