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Far Beyond Chutzpah by Gilad Atzmon

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Nov 24, 2009, 4:50:07 PM11/24/09
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Far Beyond Chutzpah by Gilad Atzmon

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 at 1:58PM Gilad Atzmon

“How come Barak, Israel’s Defence Minister, is under threat of being
arrested in the UK while Khaled Mashaal, the leader of Hamas, roams
London free of concern” asks Prof Alan Dershowitz, who is probably
the leading defender of the Jewish state in America. In fact the
question could be easily extended, one may wonder how come Dershowitz
and his ilk are roaming freely between Western capitals considering
the racist, nationalist expansionist ideology they promote i.e.
Zionism. At the end of the day, Dershowitz the loudest Zionist
apologist in America is promoting a precept that has proved to be
genocidal.

What intrigues me about Dershowitz is the fact that Israel’s leading
Hasbara cheer-leader is also one of America’s most prominent criminal
lawyers specialising in murder and attempted murder cases. As a
criminal appellate lawyer, Dershowitz has won thirteen out of the
fifteen murder and attempted murder cases he has handled. Notable is
his role as the appellate adviser for the defence in the criminal
trial of O.J. Simpson. Seemingly, this is exactly what Israel needs
and deserves, a ‘criminal attorney’. One that would help it to get
away with murder.

In a conversation with Ynet, a leading Israeli paper, Dershowitz
claimed that Judge Richard Goldstone, the author of the UN report
investigating Operation Cast Lead, “preferred to give interviews to
public television rather than debating him.” Dershowitz said that it
isn't appropriate for Goldstone to ‘filter whom he debates with’. One
may wonder why? It is a common and accepted practice amongst humanists
not to share a platform with racists. Zionism is not only a racist
ideology, it is also murderous in practice. Dershowitz is a proud
rabid Zionist. It is understandable that any decent human being would
prefer to avoid sharing a platform with him or his cohorts.

According to Ynet, “Dershowitz demanded that Judge Goldstone provide
explanations of the sources that led him to his final conclusion in
the report, which asserted that Israel's policy in Operation Cast Lead
was to kill as many Palestinian civilians as possible.” Dershowitz,
may have to find time to watch this Youtube video. It is all there. An
extensive review of the Israeli terror campaign in Gaza.


One doesn’t have to be a military expert to grasp that pouring WMD,
and using artillery against a civilian population is sufficient
evidence. Israeli murderous tactics are now established facts and
common knowledge.

Dershowitz said that he “does not expect Israel to suffer much damage
in the US following the Goldstone report. He asserted that the
Americans understand that the Human Rights Council is a farce and its
conclusions not taken too seriously”. Dershowitz obviously fails to
tell the truth. If the Human Rights Council is a ‘farce’ as he says,
why does Zionist loud mouth Dershowitz insist to debate Judge
Goldstone?

Dershowitz also claimed that “Israel can breathe easily in academic
circles as well, saying that students in the US can think for
themselves and will not believe that Israel decided intentionally to
kill Palestinian civilians.” Again, if this is the case, if Israel’s
reputation within the academic circuit is secured, why is Dershowitz &
Co mounted pressure on Finkelstein, Walt, Mearsheimer and every other
critical voice of Israel and Zionism. Dershowitz is obviously failing
to tell the truth again. He can see that the tide is changing. He
knows that every ethically orientated human being sees the truth
behind Israeli brutality. Why is Dershovitz lying? Because Jewish
nationalism left, right and centre is grounded on a set of lies. By
way of deception they make their wars.

drahcir

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:31:00 AM11/25/09
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From Atzmon's website:

http://gilad.squarespace.com/writings/from-the-river-to-the-sea-by-gi...

Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”

Any normal person reading this would assume that the words within the
quotes were Netanyahu's. Problem is, they weren't. Here's the original
Haaretz article:

"In his address, Netanyahu also appeared to resist U.S. pressure to
promote the two-state solution. He said he was committed to two states
living side by side, but stressed that the central issues - the right
of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes from which they were
expelled and certain territorial claims - would not be on the table."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127420.html

As can be plainly seen, there is no quote of Netanyahu presented - we
have to trust the author of the article, Natasha Mozgovaya, that these
are his ideas and not hers. One is left to wonder, if these are in
fact his ideas, why weren't they supported with a quote? The answer is
pretty clear - Netanyahu never said any such thing.

When I presented Atzmon with this, he replied as follows to my email:

"A. I provide the link and the quote refers to the link, a common
procedure in blog writing

B. If there is any lie here.... it may be because Haaretz misrepresent
BN views...

C. i do not have any reason to believe that this is the case"

What Atzmon is here trying to claim is that the quote marks quote
Haaretz, not Netanyahu. This is also a lie. First of all, if we
compare the second quotation from Atzmon's website, we see that it
does not match the Haaretz article - he omits "and certain other
territorial claims -". Well, at this stage one could attribute all of
the above to Atzmon being a terrible author. But here's the clincher,
from further in the same paragraph from Atzmon's site.

“They”, **continues** Netanyahu, “must abandon the fantasy of flooding
Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
[asterisks mine]

Game, set, match. "Continues" can only mean that Atzmon wants us to
think the preceding quotes were Netanyahu's, not Haaretz's, so Atzmon
lied to me in his email. Of course, the original article does not use
the word "continues":

" "They must abandon the fantasy of flooding Israel with refugees,
give up irredentist claims to the Negev and Galilee, and declare
unequivocally that the conflict is finally over," Netanyahu said in
his address. "

Atzmon is a propagandist who must lie to promote his agenda.

tdny

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:10:29 PM11/25/09
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"drahcir" <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> From Atzmon's website:
>
> http://gilad.squarespace.com/writings/from-the-river-to-the-sea-by-gi...
>
> Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that

> he was committed to �two states living side by side�. However, he
> stressed that the �the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
> homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.�

> �They�, **continues** Netanyahu, �must abandon the fantasy of flooding


> Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
> Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
> [asterisks mine]
>
> Game, set, match. "Continues" can only mean that Atzmon wants us to
> think the preceding quotes were Netanyahu's, not Haaretz's, so Atzmon
> lied to me in his email. Of course, the original article does not use
> the word "continues":
>
> " "They must abandon the fantasy of flooding Israel with refugees,
> give up irredentist claims to the Negev and Galilee, and declare
> unequivocally that the conflict is finally over," Netanyahu said in
> his address. "
>
> Atzmon is a propagandist who must lie to promote his agenda.

Can you prove that Gilad Atzmon translation is incorrect?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24006.htm

drahcir

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:14:04 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 1:10 pm, "tdny" <t...@live.com> wrote:
> "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:56d44ece-780f-4909...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > From Atzmon's website:
>
> >http://gilad.squarespace.com/writings/from-the-river-to-the-sea-by-gi...
>
> > Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
> > he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
> > stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
> > homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”
> > “They”, **continues** Netanyahu, “must abandon the fantasy of flooding

> > Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
> > Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
> > [asterisks mine]
>
> > Game, set, match. "Continues" can only mean that Atzmon wants us to
> > think the preceding quotes were Netanyahu's, not Haaretz's, so Atzmon
> > lied to me in his email. Of course, the original article does not use
> > the word "continues":
>
> > " "They must abandon the fantasy of flooding Israel with refugees,
> > give up irredentist claims to the Negev and Galilee, and declare
> > unequivocally that the conflict is finally over," Netanyahu said in
> > his address. "
>
> > Atzmon is a propagandist who must lie to promote his agenda.
>
> Can you prove that Gilad Atzmon translation is incorrect?

That's a rather bizarre question. Are you of the opinion that I have
made such a claim?


>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24006.htm

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