Atzmon's Lexicon of Resistance
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Sunday
22Nov2009
Lexicon of Resistance by Gilad Atzmon
Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 3:44PM Gilad Atzmon
Published originally in April 2009
The following is an attempt to present my own personal dictionary of
what seems to be the most charged terminology and concepts attached to
the Palestinian solidarity and anti-war discourse.
Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
hundred of years. In the late 19th century, in the light of emerging
European nationalism, a few Jews had decided that Jews should not be
left out. They theninvented the notions of: ”Jewish people”, ”Jewish
history” and ”Jewish nationalism”. They decided to settle the majority
of world Jewry in Palestine. Throughout the years the Jewish national
project, i.e., Zionism, had become more and more sinister and
ruthless. In 1949 70% of the indigenous Palestinian population had
already been ethnically cleansed. Nowadays the majority of
Palestinians are living behind barbed wire in a state of terror
guarded by Israeli soldiers.
Jews- the people who happen to identify themselves as Jews. Jews are
not a race, they do not follow a single belief system either. I made
myself a rule. I categorically refrain from dealing with ”the Jews” as
a collective or an ethnic group. Instead I restrict myself to
criticism of Jewish politics, Jewish ideology and Jewish identity.
Judaism- one of the many religions practiced by the Jewish people
(Jews for Jesus, Jews For Buddha, Jews For Allah and so on). Though
Judaism contains some non-ethical aspects and teachings, the one and
only peace-seeking collective amongst the Jewish people is actually a
religious orthodox sect, namely Torah Jews. This fact is enough to
make me very careful when criticising Judaism as a religion. When
dealing with Judaism, I would restrict myself to criticism of
interpretations of Talmudic racism and the biblically orientated
Zionist genocidal plunder of Palestine.
Jewishness- Jewish ideology, the interpretations of the meaning of
being a Jew by those who regard themselves as Jews. Jewishness is the
core of Jewish identity, it is a dynamic notion. It is hard to pin
down. While refraining from criticising Jews (the people) and Judaism
(the religion), elaborating on Jewishness is a must, especially
considering the crimes committed by the Jewish state in the name of
Jewish people. As long as the Jewish state is shelling civilians with
white phosphorous, it is our ethical duty to question: Who are the
Jews? What does Judaism stand for? What is Jewishness all about?
Palestine vs Israel- Palestine is a country, Israel is a state.
Palestinians- currently the longest lasting sufferers of racist
colonial abuse and state terrorism. Palestinians are the only true
indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. 4,300,000 Palestinian refugees
are scattered in the Middle East. There are Palestinians who managed
to hold onto their land yet are denied equal civil rights, others live
under military occupation. The Palestinian cause is largely the
ethically grounded demand of the Palestinian people to return to their
own land. The land that belongs to them and to them alone. The
Palestinian cause is the demand to dismantle the Jewish state and to
form a State of its Citizens instead.
Zionism- the national colonial practical interpretation of Jewish
ideology. It asserts that Jews are entitled to a national home in Zion
(Palestine) at the expense of the Palestinian people. Zionism is a
colonial racist philosophy that practices genocidal tactics. It is a
biblically orientated precept. Although Zionism portrayed itself
initially as a secular movement, from the very beginning it
transformed the Bible from a religious text into a land registry.
Israel- the Jewish state is a racist political concept. It is a place
where Jewish supremacy is celebrated in an institutional manner.
Israel is a place where 94% of the population supports dropping white
phosphorus on innocent civilians. Israel is the place where Jews can
pour their vengeance on the Goyim.
Palestinian resistance- the exercise of the ethical right to resist an
invader, an ethnic cleanser and a racist.
Demographic bomb- Israel possesses many bombs, cluster bombs, petrol
bombs, atomic bombs, WMD bombs, etc. The Palestinians have only one
bomb, the demographic bomb. The Palestinians are the majority of the
people between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. This fact
itself defines the temporal quality of the Idea of Jewish state in
Palestine.
Zionism vs Jewishness- it is difficult or maybe even impossible to
determine where Zionism stops and Jewishness begins. Zionism and
Jewishness establish a continuum. As it seems, Zionism has become the
symbolic identifier of the contemporary Jew. Every Jew is identified
by himself and others in reference to the Zionist compass (Zionist,
anti-Zionist, oblivious to Zionism, love Zionism but hate Israel, love
Israel but hate falafel and so on).
Secular Judaism and Jewish Secular Fundamentalism- secularity has been
a very popular precept amongst Jews in the last two centuries. The
Jewish form of secularity is very similar to rabbinical Judaism. It is
fundamentally monotheistic, it believes in one truth (God is dead
until further notice). It is supremacist, it is extremely intolerant
of others in general and Muslims in particular, it even promotes wars
in the name of enlightenment, liberalism, democracy and even in the
name of the victims to come.
Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder- the kind of mental state that leads 94%
of the Israeli population to support air raids against civilians.
Within the condition of the Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder (Pre-TSD),
the stress is the outcome of a phantasmic event, an imaginary episode
set in the future; an event that has never taken place. Within Pre-
TSD, an illusion pre-empts reality and the condition in which the
fantasy of terror is itself becoming grave reality. If it is taken to
extremes, even an agenda of total war against the rest of the world is
not an unthinkable reaction. Unlike the case of paranoia, wherein the
sufferer is subject to his own symptoms, in the case of Pre-TSD the
sufferer actually celebrates his symptoms while others are left with
the role of the audience or even victim. The sufferers of Pre-TSD
within the press and media lobby for global conflict. Once they are in
power they just spread death around. They manage to see a threat in
almost anything. The Pre-TSD sufferer would call to flatten Iran, he
would defend the IDF military campaign in Gaza for his own existential
fears. The Pre-TSD sufferer is rather predictable and for one reason
or other always to be found in the non-ethical cause.
Jihad- the struggle to improve one's self and society. Jihad is the
attempt to reach a harmony between the self and the world. It is there
to bridge the gap between self loving, loving self and the love
towards others. Jihad is the answer to chosenness.
Holocaust- an overwhelmingly devastating chapter in recent Jewish
past. It would be difficult to imagine the formation of the Jewish
state without the effect of the holocaust. Yet, it is impossible to
deny the fact that Palestinians ended up paying the ultimate price for
crimes that were committed against the Jews by other people
(Europeans). Hence, it would make sense to argue that if Europeans
feel guilty about the Holocaust, they better take extra care of its
last victims, i.e., the Palestinians.
It must be mentioned that due to some legislation that restricts the
scrutiny of the holocaust in an open academic manner, the holocaust is
no longer treated as an historical chapter. Instead it is regarded by
many scholars as a religious narrative (namely, Holocaust Religion).
Those who do not obey the religion or follow its restrictions are
chased, excluded and jailed. The failure to maintain the holocaust as
a vivid historic chapter turned Jewish history into a Pandora’s box
sealed by prohibitions, legal restrictions and different forms of
threats. In an ideal ”free world”, we would be able to look into the
holocaust, to regard it as an historical chapter and to draw some
lessons out of it. That would mean also questioning its meaning. In an
ideal (free) world, we may as well be allowed to wonder how come, time
after time, Jews ended up despised and detested by their neighbours.
In an ideal (free) world Jews may have a chance to learn from their
mistakes in the past. For the time being, as long as we want to keep
free, we better avoid questioning the past.
The Meaning of the Holocaust- the Holocaust provides the Jews and
others with two obvious lessons. One is universal and almost
simplistic, it says: ”NO to racism”. As some Jewish intellectuals
predicted after the war, Jews were supposed to lead the fight against
racism. Seemingly, it didn’t happen. Not only did it fail to happen,
but the Jewish state had become the ultimate form of racist practice.
Three years after the liberation of Auschwitz the newly formed Jewish
state brutally ethnically cleansed the vast majority of indigenous
Palestinians. As time goes by, the Jewish state doesn’t try to
disguise its racist agenda, i.e., Jews only state.
The second lesson that can be drawn out of the holocaust is far less
abstract, it is actually very pragmatic. It suggests to Jews ”to be
aware of their deed”. It suggests to Jews ”to act ethically, or at
least to pretend to do so”. Seemingly, this lesson is totally ignored.
In the Jewish state young IDF soldiers wear T-shirts depicting
pregnant Palestinian women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with
the disturbing caption "1 shot 2 kills". In the Jewish state,
civilians hadbeen caught picnicking watching their army dropping
unconventional weapons on their Palestinian neighbours. The Israeli
reality and the forceful Jewish lobbying around the world portray a
complete dismissal of any ethical judgment or moral conduct. Whether
it is the genocidal practice against the Palestinian people or the
lobbying for more and more global conflicts. If the meaning of the
holocaust would have been internalised, different appearances of such
inhuman behaviour would have been addressed and tackled.
However, within the prohibition to re-visit our history we may still
be entitled to reflect over Nazi brutality towards Jews in the light
of the Jewish state’s crimes in Palestine. Seemingly, there is no
legislation that prohibits us from doing that as yet.
Hamas- political party that was elected in 2006 by the Palestinian
people in Gaza and the West Bank. Since then Israel has withheld
payments owed to Gaza, causing the Palestinian economy to collapse. It
has blockaded Gaza for months, starving the civilian population. And
yet, Hamas proved once again that the Palestinian people are
resilient. In spite of Israel’s genocidal tactics, in spite of the IDF
targeting children, women and the elderly, Hamas’ popularity increases
by the day and more so especially after the last Gaza conflict. It has
now become clear that Israel does not possess the means of combating
Islamic resistance. In other words. Israel’s days are numbered.
Gatekeepers- for many years the Palestinian solidarity discourse had
been shattered by those who claimed to know what is right and what is
wrong. They also claimed to know what should be discussed and what
subject must be dropped. Initially, gatekeepers tried to recruit the
Palestinian movement to fight antisemitism. Another bizarre agenda was
to use the Palestinian people as another Guinea pig in a dogmatic
socialist exercise.
Due to the growing success of Palestinian and Islamic resistance, the
power of Gatekeepers is now reduced to none. Though gatekeeping
operators still insist upon exercising their powers, their influence
is totally restricted to primarily Jewish cells.
Antisemites- in the old days, antisemites were those who didn’t like
Jews, nowadays, antisemites are those the Jews don’t like. Considering
the growing chasm between the Jewish state and its lobbies and the
rest of humanity, we have good reason to believe that before not too
long, the entirety of humanity will be denounced as antisemitic by one
Jewish lobby or another.
Antisemitism- a misleading signifier. Though it refers largely to anti-
Jewish feelings, it gives the impression that these feelings are
racially motivated or orientated. It must be clear that Jews are not a
race and do not establish a racial continuum. Thus, no one hates the
Jews for their race or their racial identity.
Bearing in mind Israeli crimes and Jewish lobbying around the world,
anti-Jewish feeling should be realised as a political, ideological and
ethical reaction. It is a response to a criminal state and its
institutional support amongst world Jewry. Though resentment to
Zionism, Israel and Jewish lobbying is rather rational, the failure to
distinguish between the ”Jew”, and Zionism is indeed very problematic
and dangerous especially considering the fact that many Jews have
nothing to do with the Zionist crime. However, due to the extensive
Jewish institutional support of Israel, it is far from easy to
determine where the ”Jew” ends and the Zionist starts. In fact, there
is no such demarcation line or spot of transition. The outcome is
clear, Jews are implicated collectively by the crimes of their
national project. One obvious solution for the Jew is to oppose
Zionism as an individual, another option is to oppose Zionism in the
name of the Torah, it is also possible for the Jew to shun the tribal
ideologist in himself.
Self loving- the belief that something about oneself is categorically
and fundamentally right, moral and unique. This is the secular
interpretation of being chosen.
Self Hatred- the belief that something about oneself is categorically
and fundamentally wrong, immoral and ordinary. This state of being may
also be a point of departure of a spiritual ethical quest.
Chicken Soup- is what is left once you strip Jewish identity of
Judaism, racism, chauvinism, White Phosphorous, supremacy, cluster
bombs, secularity, Zionism, Israel, intolerance, Nuclear reactor in
Dimona, cosmopolitanism, genocidal tendency, etc. The Jew can always
revert to chicken soup, the iconic symbolic identifier of Jewish
cultural affiliation. The Jew is always more than welcome to say: ”I
am not religious nor am I a Zionist, I am not a banker, nor is my name
Madoff. I am not a ”Labour friend of Israel” nor I am a Lord or look
like a cash machine. I am just a little innocent Jew because my
mama’le used to feed me with chicken soup when I was slightly unwell.”
Let’s face it once and for all, chicken soup is not that dangerous
(unless you are a chicken). My grandmother taught me that it was very
healthy. In fact I tried it once in winter 1978, I had the flu then.
It helped, I feel better now.
Honest truth
> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
> hundred of years.
A lie. The treatment of Jews by the Muslims was actually extremely bad.
--
嚙踝蕭Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man嚙踝蕭s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
Fish Supper
"icono...@yahoo.com" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sunday
22Nov2009
Lexicon of Resistance by Gilad Atzmon
Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 3:44PM Gilad Atzmon
Published originally in April 2009
The following is an attempt to present my own personal dictionary of
what seems to be the most charged terminology and concepts attached to
the Palestinian solidarity and anti-war discourse.
***
superbly, succinctly and accurately put. This should be taught in primary
schools.
Fish Supper
"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
news:7m7befxq5c8e$.9wazqtyp593d$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:46:56 -0800 (PST),
>
>> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
>> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
>> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
>> hundred of years.
>
>
> A lie. The treatment of Jews by the Muslims was actually extremely bad.
>
Proof?
Honest truth
Cannot you do a google search, there is plenty on it in the net.
Fish Supper
"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:55:04 -0000, Fish Supper wrote:
>
>> "Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
>> news:7m7befxq5c8e$.9wazqtyp593d$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:46:56 -0800 (PST),
>>>
>>>> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
>>>> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
>>>> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
>>>> hundred of years.
>>>
>>>
>>> A lie. The treatment of Jews by the Muslims was actually extremely bad.
>>>
>>
>> Proof?
>
>
> Cannot you do a google search, there is plenty on it in the net.
Translation: "I've told another zionist lie and have no way to prove it"
Honest truth
> "Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
> news:15jpn6uhumlm8.ca7962axbrng$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:55:04 -0000, Fish Supper wrote:
>>
>>> "Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7m7befxq5c8e$.9wazqtyp593d$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:46:56 -0800 (PST),
>>>>
>>>>> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
>>>>> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
>>>>> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
>>>>> hundred of years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A lie. The treatment of Jews by the Muslims was actually extremely bad.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proof?
>>
>>
>> Cannot you do a google search, there is plenty on it in the net.
>
> Translation: "I've told another zionist lie and have no way to prove it"
I can do google searches, the wonder is that you cannot. It is not that
hard, I am sure an inmate in the sanitarium, where you live can teach you.
dsharavi
wrote:
> Sunday
> 22Nov2009
> Lexicon of Resistance by Gilad Atzmon
> Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 3:44PM Gilad Atzmon
> Published originally in April 2009
>
> The following is an attempt to present my own personal dictionary of
> what seems to be the most charged terminology and concepts attached to
> the Palestinian solidarity and anti-war discourse.
>
> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
> hundred of years.
According to the Palestine National Charter, "Palestinian people"
referred to Arabs (Muslims) living in the former British Mandate of
Palestine. According to an earlier definition, "Palestinian people"
referred exclusively to European Jews. In "Palestine" itself, which
didn't exist as a formal territorial designation, it was rare for the
inhabitants to live in "peace and harmony" for a few decades, never
for "hundreds of years".
>In the late 19th century, in the light of emerging
> European nationalism, a few Jews had decided that Jews should not be
> left out. They theninvented the notions of: ”Jewish people”
Evidently Atzmon can't explain who were the “Jewish people” referred
to in numerous texts prior to the “late 19th century”.
>In 1949 70% of the indigenous Palestinian population had
> already been ethnically cleansed.
What percentage of the “indigenous Palestinian population” was
“ethnically cleansed” during the Khedive's early 19th century
occupation? Another question Atzmon can't answer.
> Jews- the people who happen to identify themselves as Jews.
Nobody becomes a citizen of a country simply by identifying themselves
as such. The same holds for Jews.
>I categorically refrain from dealing with ”the Jews” as
> a collective or an ethnic group. Instead
Instead, Atzmon ignores all evidence to the contrary, but doesn't
refrain from identifying the so-called “Palestinians” as a collective
or ethnic group.
>I restrict myself to
> criticism of Jewish politics, Jewish ideology and Jewish identity.
>
From his writings, Atzmon would appear to restrict himself to
antisemitic drek.
> Judaism- one of the many religions practiced by the Jewish people
> (Jews for Jesus, Jews For Buddha, Jews For Allah and so on).
Jews for Jesus = a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity.
Jews for Buddha = Jews who chant nam myoho renge ko (aka Jubus or
Bujus)
Jews for Allah = Jews who have converted to Islam (not many)
>Though
> Judaism contains some non-ethical aspects and teachings, the one and
> only peace-seeking collective amongst the Jewish people is actually a
> religious orthodox sect, namely Torah Jews.
Torah Jews = Full name: True Torah Jews Against Zionism, a religious-
political movement founded in 2001 in Brooklyn by a few Satmar
Chassidim.
>This fact is enough to
> make me very careful when criticising Judaism as a religion.
Atzmon is a comedian.
>Jewishness- Jewish ideology, the interpretations of the meaning of
> being a Jew by those who regard themselves as Jews.
Atzmon is either a comedian or an comically ignorant ass.
> Palestine vs Israel- Palestine is a country, Israel is a state.
Palestine has never been a country. It's a geographical designation,
like New England or the Pacific Northwest, invented by Europeans.
>
> Palestinians- currently the longest lasting sufferers of racist
> colonial abuse and state terrorism.
A more accurate definition for today's Palestinians is “currently the
only group of professional refugees in the history of the world”
>Palestinians are the only true indigenous inhabitants of Palestine.
Atzmon thinks they're Neanderthals?
>The
> Palestinian cause is the demand to dismantle the Jewish state and to
> form a State of its Citizens instead.
Not gonna happen.
> Zionism vs Jewishness- it is difficult or maybe even impossible to
> determine where Zionism stops and Jewishness begins.
Especially given Atzmon's definition of Jews and Judaism.
> Secular Judaism and Jewish Secular Fundamentalism- secularity has been
> a very popular precept amongst Jews in the last two centuries. The
> Jewish form of secularity is very similar to rabbinical Judaism.
lol
> Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder-
What Atzmon feels before he smokes a bowl – especially when he thinks
he might run into a real Jew.
> Jihad- the struggle to improve one's self and society.
lol
>Jihad is the
> attempt to reach a harmony between the self and the world.
lol
> Holocaust- an overwhelmingly devastating chapter in recent Jewish
> past.
This schlonglekker isn't fit to discuss the subject.
> Hamas- political party that was elected in 2006 by the Palestinian
> people in Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas, along with several dozen other violent Islamic groups, is a
designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.
> Antisemitism- a misleading signifier. Though it refers largely to anti-
> Jewish feelings, it gives the impression that these feelings are
> racially motivated or orientated. It must be clear that Jews are not a
> race and do not establish a racial continuum. Thus, no one hates the
> Jews for their race or their racial identity.
“Anti-Semitism : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious, ethnic, or racial group.” Merriam-Webster
“Anti-Semitism – 1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or
Judaism. 2. Discrimination against Jews” American Heritage Dictionary
of the English Language
“Antisemitism: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious or racial group...Nazi anti-Semitism, which culminated in
the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because
of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had
themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were
converts.” Encyclopedia Britannica
“Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is
prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of
their ethnic background, culture, or religion. In its extreme form, it
"attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other
civilisations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their
being part of the nation[s]" in which they reside.” Wiki entry
> Bearing in mind Israeli crimes and Jewish lobbying around the world,
> anti-Jewish feeling should be realised as a political, ideological and
> ethical reaction.
“Anti-Jewish feeling” which existed prior to the existence of the
state of Israel is another concept beyond Atzmon's limited intellect.
“Anti-Jewish feeling” is also what a few Jews get paid beaucoup bucks
by antisemites for exploiting.
> Self loving- the belief that something about oneself is categorically
> and fundamentally right, moral and unique.
See: Gilad Atzmon.
> Chicken Soup- is what is left once you strip Jewish identity of
> Judaism, racism, chauvinism, White Phosphorous, supremacy, cluster
> bombs, secularity, Zionism, Israel, intolerance, Nuclear reactor in
> Dimona, cosmopolitanism, genocidal tendency, etc. The Jew can always
> revert to chicken soup, the iconic symbolic identifier of Jewish
> cultural affiliation. The Jew is always more than welcome to say: ”I
> am not religious nor am I a Zionist, I am not a banker, nor is my name
> Madoff. I am not a ”Labour friend of Israel” nor I am a Lord or look
> like a cash machine. I am just a little innocent Jew because my
> mama’le used to feed me with chicken soup when I was slightly unwell.”
> Let’s face it once and for all, chicken soup is not that dangerous
> (unless you are a chicken). My grandmother taught me that it was very
> healthy. In fact I tried it once in winter 1978
One wonders what else was in that chicken soup. Whatever it was,
Atzmon's been snorting it ever since.
Deborah
dsharavi
> 22Nov2009
> Lexicon of Resistance by Gilad Atzmon
> Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 3:44PM Gilad Atzmon
> Published originally in April 2009
>
> The following is an attempt to present my own personal dictionary of
> what seems to be the most charged terminology and concepts attached to
> the Palestinian solidarity and anti-war discourse.
>
> Palestine- a piece of land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean
> Sea. For many years Palestine was the home of the Palestinian people:
> Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in peace and harmony for
> hundred of years.
According to the Palestine National Charter, "Palestinian people"
referred to Arabs (Muslims) living in the former British Mandate of
Palestine. According to an earlier definition, "Palestinian people"
referred exclusively to European Jews. In "Palestine" itself, which
didn't exist as a formal territorial designation, it was rare for the
inhabitants to live in "peace and harmony" for a few decades, never
for "hundreds of years".
>In the late 19th century, in the light of emerging
> European nationalism, a few Jews had decided that Jews should not be
> left out. They theninvented the notions of: ”Jewish people”
Evidently Atzmon can't explain who were the “Jewish people” referred
to in numerous texts prior to the “late 19th century”.
>In 1949 70% of the indigenous Palestinian population had
> already been ethnically cleansed.
What percentage of the “indigenous Palestinian population” was
“ethnically cleansed” during the Khedive's early 19th century
occupation? Another question Atzmon can't answer.
> Jews- the people who happen to identify themselves as Jews.
Nobody becomes a citizen of a country simply by identifying themselves
as such. The same holds for Jews.
>I categorically refrain from dealing with ”the Jews” as
> a collective or an ethnic group. Instead
Instead, Atzmon ignores all evidence to the contrary, but doesn't
refrain from identifying the so-called “Palestinians” as a collective
or ethnic group.
>I restrict myself to
> criticism of Jewish politics, Jewish ideology and Jewish identity.
>
From his writings, Atzmon would appear to restrict himself to
antisemitic drek.
> Judaism- one of the many religions practiced by the Jewish people
> (Jews for Jesus, Jews For Buddha, Jews For Allah and so on).
Jews for Jesus = a Christian evangelistic organization that focuses
specifically on the conversion of Jews to Christianity.
Jews for Buddha = Jews who chant nam myoho renge ko (aka Jubus or
Bujus)
Jews for Allah = Jews who have converted to Islam (not many)
>Though
> Judaism contains some non-ethical aspects and teachings, the one and
> only peace-seeking collective amongst the Jewish people is actually a
> religious orthodox sect, namely Torah Jews.
Torah Jews = Full name: True Torah Jews Against Zionism, a religious-
political movement founded in 2001 in Brooklyn by a few Satmar
Chassidim.
>This fact is enough to
> make me very careful when criticising Judaism as a religion.
Atzmon is a comedian.
>Jewishness- Jewish ideology, the interpretations of the meaning of
> being a Jew by those who regard themselves as Jews.
Atzmon is either a comedian or an comically ignorant ass.
> Palestine vs Israel- Palestine is a country, Israel is a state.
Palestine has never been a country. It's a geographical designation,
like New England or the Pacific Northwest, invented by Europeans.
>
> Palestinians- currently the longest lasting sufferers of racist
> colonial abuse and state terrorism.
A more accurate definition for today's Palestinians is “currently the
only group of professional refugees in the history of the world”
>Palestinians are the only true indigenous inhabitants of Palestine.
Atzmon thinks they're Neanderthals?
>The
> Palestinian cause is the demand to dismantle the Jewish state and to
> form a State of its Citizens instead.
Not gonna happen.
> Zionism vs Jewishness- it is difficult or maybe even impossible to
> determine where Zionism stops and Jewishness begins.
Especially given Atzmon's definition of Jews and Judaism.
> Secular Judaism and Jewish Secular Fundamentalism- secularity has been
> a very popular precept amongst Jews in the last two centuries. The
> Jewish form of secularity is very similar to rabbinical Judaism.
lol
> Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder-
What Atzmon feels before he smokes a bowl – especially when he thinks
he might run into a real Jew.
> Jihad- the struggle to improve one's self and society.
lol
>Jihad is the
> attempt to reach a harmony between the self and the world.
lol
> Holocaust- an overwhelmingly devastating chapter in recent Jewish
> past.
This schlonglekker isn't fit to discuss the subject.
> Hamas- political party that was elected in 2006 by the Palestinian
> people in Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas, along with several dozen other violent Islamic groups, is a
designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.
> Antisemitism- a misleading signifier. Though it refers largely to anti-
> Jewish feelings, it gives the impression that these feelings are
> racially motivated or orientated. It must be clear that Jews are not a
> race and do not establish a racial continuum. Thus, no one hates the
> Jews for their race or their racial identity.
“Anti-Semitism : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious, ethnic, or racial group.” Merriam-Webster
“Anti-Semitism – 1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or
Judaism. 2. Discrimination against Jews” American Heritage Dictionary
of the English Language
“Antisemitism: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious or racial group...Nazi anti-Semitism, which culminated in
the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because
of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had
themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were
converts.” Encyclopedia Britannica
“Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is
prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of
their ethnic background, culture, or religion. In its extreme form, it
"attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other
civilisations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their
being part of the nation[s]" in which they reside.” Wiki entry
> Bearing in mind Israeli crimes and Jewish lobbying around the world,
> anti-Jewish feeling should be realised as a political, ideological and
> ethical reaction.
“Anti-Jewish feeling” which existed prior to the existence of the
state of Israel is another concept beyond Atzmon's limited intellect.
“Anti-Jewish feeling” is also what a few Jews get paid beaucoup bucks
by antisemites for exploiting.
> Self loving- the belief that something about oneself is categorically
> and fundamentally right, moral and unique.
See: Gilad Atzmon.
> Chicken Soup- is what is left once you strip Jewish identity of
> Judaism, racism, chauvinism, White Phosphorous, supremacy, cluster
> bombs, secularity, Zionism, Israel, intolerance, Nuclear reactor in
> Dimona, cosmopolitanism, genocidal tendency, etc. The Jew can always
> revert to chicken soup, the iconic symbolic identifier of Jewish
> cultural affiliation. The Jew is always more than welcome to say: ”I
> am not religious nor am I a Zionist, I am not a banker, nor is my name
> Madoff. I am not a ”Labour friend of Israel” nor I am a Lord or look
> like a cash machine. I am just a little innocent Jew because my
> mama’le used to feed me with chicken soup when I was slightly unwell.”
> Let’s face it once and for all, chicken soup is not that dangerous
> (unless you are a chicken). My grandmother taught me that it was very
drahcir
yet again in a rather embarrassing episode. He posted an article of
Atzmon and chose the unfortunate subject for his post "Netanyahu
admitted today that Palestinians were indeed expelled." He was naive
enough to believe Netanyahu would say that arabs were expelled. What
kind of ignorant fool would believe that? Yet our poor H did just
that. I have posted numerous requests to him to own up to his naivete,
but our manly H cowers in his corner and refuses to acknowledge what
he knows to be true. He is ashamed of his gullibility, but is too
proud to admit he screwed up. Instead, in order to show what a "man"
he is, he defiantly posts more garbage by Atzmon, a proven liar. What
can one say about such a lack of character?
Here's the proof:
From Atzmon's website:
http://gilad.squarespace.com/writings/from-the-river-to-the-sea-by-gilad-atzmon.html
Haaretz reported today that the Israeli PM admitted in Washington that
he was committed to ‘two states living side by side’. However, he
stressed that the “the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the
homes from which they were expelled, would not be on the table.”
Any normal person reading this would assume that the words within the
quotes were Netanyahu's. Problem is, they weren't. Here's the original
Haaretz article:
"In his address, Netanyahu also appeared to resist U.S. pressure to
promote the two-state solution. He said he was committed to two states
living side by side, but stressed that the central issues - the right
of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes from which they were
expelled and certain territorial claims - would not be on the table."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127420.html
As can be plainly seen, there is no quote of Netanyahu presented - we
have to trust the author of the article, Natasha Mozgovaya, that these
are his ideas and not hers. One is left to wonder, if these are in
fact his ideas, why weren't they supported with a quote? The answer is
pretty clear - Netanyahu never said any such thing.
When I presented Atzmon with this, he replied as follows to my email:
"A. I provide the link and the quote refers to the link, a common
procedure in blog writing
B. If there is any lie here.... it may be because Haaretz misrepresent
BN views...
C. i do not have any reason to believe that this is the case"
What Atzmon is here trying to claim is that the quote marks quote
Haaretz, not Netanyahu. This is also a lie. First of all, if we
compare the second quotation from Atzmon's website, we see that it
does not match the Haaretz article - he omits "and certain other
territorial claims -". Well, at this stage one could attribute all of
the above to Atzmon being a terrible author. But here's the clincher,
from further in the same paragraph from Atzmon's site.
“They”, **continues** Netanyahu, “must abandon the fantasy of flooding
Israel with refugees, give up irredentist * claims to the Negev and
Galilee, and declare unequivocally that the conflict is finally over".
[asterisks mine]
Game, set, match. "Continues" can only mean that Atzmon wants us to
think the preceding quotes were Netanyahu's, not Haaretz's, so Atzmon
lied to me in his email. Of course, the original article does not use
the word "continues":
" "They must abandon the fantasy of flooding Israel with refugees,
give up irredentist claims to the Negev and Galilee, and declare
unequivocally that the conflict is finally over," Netanyahu said in
his address. "
Atzmon is a propagandist who must lie to promote his agenda.
Latest news: I emailed Atzmon about his "continues" a few days ago. He
has not replied. Big surprise. He's as much of a "man" as our silly H
is.