As the Light onto the Nations by Gilad Atzmon--except it hasn't won a war since 1967
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Saturday
21Nov2009
As the Light onto the Nations by Gilad Atzmon
Saturday, November 21, 2009 at 10:23AM Gilad Atzmon
‘Israel is the light onto the nations’ says the Torah. Indeed it is,
and not just because the Torah says so. Israel is ahead of everyone
else in many fronts. Take for instance, terrorizing civilian
populations and practicing some of the most devastating murderous
tactics upon elders, women and young.
The Jerusalem post reported yesterday that the Chairman of NATO's
Military Committee, Admiral Giampaolo Di Paola, visited Israel earlier
this week to study “IDF tactics and methods that the military alliance
can utilise for its war in Afghanistan.” A senior Israeli defence
official added "The one thing on NATO's mind today is how to win in
Afghanistan…Di Paola was very impressed by the IDF, which is a major
source of information due to our operational experience."
I would advise both the Israeli official and Admiral Di Paola to
slightly curb their enthusiasm. The IDF didn’t win a single war since
1967. Yes, it murdered many civilians, it flattened many cities, it
starved millions, it has been committing war crimes on a daily basis
for decades and yet, it didn’t win a war. Thus, the IDF cannot really
teach NATO how to win in Afghanistan. If NATO generals are stupid
enough to follow IDF tactics, like the Israeli generals, they will
start to see the charges of war crimes pile up against them. They may
even be lucky enough to share their cells with some Israelis in due
course, once justice is performed.
Admiral Di Paola spent two days with the infamous IDF Chief of Staff
Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, the man who led the IDF into Gaza last
December.
In the Jewish state they were very enthusiastic with Admiral Di
Paola’s visit. They regarded it as just another reassurance of
‘business as usual. The visit of a NATO high supreme official was
there to convince them that no one takes note of the Goldstone report.
“Di Paola's visit is significant“ says the Jerusalem Post, “since it
comes at a time when the IDF is under increasing criticism in the wake
of the Goldstone Report on Operation Cast Lead as well as a decision
by Turkey - a NATO member - to ban Israel from joint aerial
exercises.”
However, it would be crucial to elaborate on the emerging mutual
interests between the two parties, Israel and NATO. “During their
meeting on Wednesday, Ashkenazi and Di Paola discussed ways to upgrade
Israeli-NATO military ties as well as the plan to include an Israeli
Navy vessel in Active Endeavor, a NATO mission established after the
9/11 attacks under which NATO vessels patrol the Mediterranean to
prevent illegal terror trafficking”. This is indeed a necessary move
for the Israelis. At the moment the Israeli Navy is operating in the
Mediterranean as a bunch of Yiddish Pirates (Yidisshe Piraten),
assaulting, hijacking and robbing vessels in international waters.
Once operating under the NATO flag, the Israelis would be able to
terrorise every vessel in the high seas in the name of the ‘West’. For
the Jewish state this would be a major step forward. Until now the
Israelis have been committing atrocities in the name of the Jewish
people. Once operating under the NATO flag, the Israelis will be able
to perform their piracy in the name of ‘Europe’. Such a move is
further evidence of the spiritual and ideological transition within
Zionism from ‘promised land’ into ‘promised planet’.
While the Israelis desperately need NATO’s legitimacy, NATO is far
more modest. All it needs is knowledge and tactics. For some reason it
insists on learning from the Israelis how to inflict pain on a
civilian population. More pain, that is, than it is already making.
“NATO's Defence officials said that Di Paola used his meetings with
the IDF to learn about new technology that can be applied to the war
in Afghanistan”. The Jerusalem Post reports that Israel is a “known
world leader in the development of specialized armor to protect
against improvised explosive devices (IEDs), otherwise known as
roadside bombs.” This is indeed the case. Israeli generals realised a
long time ago that their precious young soldiers prefer to hide in
their tanks rather than engage with the ‘enemy’ i.e. the civilian
population, kids, elders and women. But it doesn’t stop there, Di
Paola was also interested in “Israeli intelligence-gathering
capabilities and methods that the IDF uses when operating in civilian
population centers.” Di Paola noted that “NATO and the IDF were facing
similar threats - NATO in Afghanistan and Israel in its war against
Hamas and Hizbullah.”
I would suggest to Admiral Di Paola to immediately read the Goldstone
report thoroughly, so he grasps his own personal legal consequences
once he starts to implement ‘Israeli tactics’. If Admiral Di Paola
wants to serve his army, he should indeed visit Israel, he should also
meet every war criminal both in the military and politics so he knows
exactly what NOT to do.
NATO’s chances of winning in Afghanistan are not limited, they are
actually exhausted. It can only lose. Some military analysts and
veteran generals argue that it is lost already. NATO has brought
enough carnage on the Afghani people without achieving any of its
military or political goals. Given that Israel was severely humiliated
in Lebanon in 2006 by a tiny paramilitary Hizbullah and failed to
achieve its military goals in Operation Cast Lead in its genocidal war
against Hamas, there is nothing for NATO to learn from the Israelis.
Should NATO proceed in implementing added IDF tactics, all it will
achieve is a dramatic reduction of security across Europe and America.
If we are concerned with peace and we want it to prevail, what we have
to do is to move away as far as we can from any spiritual,
ideological, political and military affiliation with Zionism, Israel
and its lobbies. If ‘Israel’ is indeed a ‘light onto the nations’,
someone better explain to us all, why its prospect of peace is
becoming slimmer and darker.
My answer is actually simple. Israel can be easily seen as the ‘light
of nations’ as long as you learn from Israel what not to do. In fact
this is the message passed to us by the great humanist prophets Jesus
and Marx. Love your neighbour, be among others, transcend yourself
beyond the tribal into the realm of the universal. In fact this is
exactly what the Israelis fail to grasp. For some reason, they love
themselves almost as much as they hate their neighbours.
If Admiral Di Paola wants to win the hearts and the minds of the
Afghani people (rather than ‘winning a war’), he should first learn to
love. This is something he won’t learn in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. Gaza,
Ramallha and Nablus are more likely.
Honest truth
> The IDF didn嚙踝蕭t win a single war since
> 1967
The mind just boggles at this comment.
--
嚙踝蕭Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man嚙踝蕭s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
American Eagle
>
>> The IDF didn嚙踝蕭t win a single war since
>> 1967
>
>
> The mind just boggles at this comment.
Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked. It was generally
thought that America would temper any actions from any side. NIot even
America expected the backstabbing Jews to attack those nations or the
American ship, USS Liberty. President Johnson covered up that Debacle
for the Heavy campaign contributions from the Jewish Lobby..That and the
fact America was involved in the quagmire of Vietnam and did not want to
get into a land war in the mid east. The Jews had since 1947 bought and
paid for Democrat Presidents and house/Senate Representatives. Since
thenThey have made massive corruptive inroads into the Republican
Political machines also. The $3 to $20 Billion in free aid to Israel
from American taxpayers pockets get roughly $00 million sent back to
bribe Congress and the politicians to continue sending that money..Year
after Year. Israel at this time cannot survive without American massive
aid. If this aid were to be stopped, the Jewish military actions would
have to stop from lack of funding and Israel would be forced to give
back the stolen lands and to make the peace that they hate so badly.
A Peace would totally upset their long term plans of taking all the
lands between the 2 great rivers. The Bolsheviks of Israel still have a
world domination in mind. Control of the world economic systems has been
under Jewish attack since 1914 and was only slowed down by WWII. Even
while Many family Jews were being slaughtered in the Camps..The
Bolshevik/Zionist Jews were war profiteering and aiding and abetting in
the eradication of the common Jew and anyone else they could turn a
profit on. Remember these people were the ones that slaughtered 55
million white Russians and any Christians they could lay hands on.
Don't forget the 8 million Ukrainians they finished off also. During
WWI the Bolsheviks created Union riots in America and France. Created a
revolution in Russia and a civil war in Germany. WWII was merely a
follow on of the mess created in WWI and by the heavy handed Jewish
bankers sucas the Baron Rothschild. I highly recommend that these people
as a group be isolated and if that cannot be accomplished, then they
must be eliminated for the good of all mankind. Can you name even one
country that is free of Jewish spies? They are not here in America for
our greater good either.
>
>
Honest truth
> Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
> a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
> neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked.
The mind just boggles at this ignorant fools comments too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Fish Supper
"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
news:1kikvext1xlb4$.11qfqo3qvzjij.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>
>> The IDF didn嚙踝蕭t win a single war since
>> 1967
>
>
> The mind just boggles at this comment.
>
Absolutely. I find it hard to believe as well. How can anyone use the Simple
Past, when this sentence obviously requires the Present Perfect. It should,
of course read:
"The IDF hasn't won a single war since 1967".
Fish Supper
"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:51 -0600, American Eagle wrote:
>
>> Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
>> a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
>> neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked.
>
> The mind just boggles at this ignorant fools comments too.
>
I suspect what passes for your mind boggles at quite a lot:
Try boggling this piece of IDF criminality:
http://media-islam.or.id/2009/11/16/video-gaza-the-new-holocaust/ 58 seconds
in.
Honest truth
> "Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
> news:ovrdu6j6r7c3$.h0chrjfasdq0.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:51 -0600, American Eagle wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
>>> a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
>>> neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked.
>>
>> The mind just boggles at this ignorant fools comments too.
>>
>
> I suspect what passes for your mind boggles at quite a lot:
Well who can blame me when I read such crap.
>
> Try boggling this piece of IDF criminality:
> http://media-islam.or.id/2009/11/16/video-gaza-the-new-holocaust/ 58 seconds
> in.
It was the PA, here look at these more detailed pictures.
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/lynch2a.htm
Honest truth
Fish Supper
"Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:02:02 -0000, Fish Supper wrote:
>
>> "Honest truth" <Honest...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
>> news:ovrdu6j6r7c3$.h0chrjfasdq0.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:51 -0600, American Eagle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
>>>> a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
>>>> neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked.
>>>
>>> The mind just boggles at this ignorant fools comments too.
>>>
>>
>> I suspect what passes for your mind boggles at quite a lot:
>
> Well who can blame me when I read such crap.
>
>>
>> Try boggling this piece of IDF criminality:
>> http://media-islam.or.id/2009/11/16/video-gaza-the-new-holocaust/ 58
>> seconds
>> in.
>
> It was the PA, here look at these more detailed pictures.
>
> http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/lynch2a.htm
>
dear, oh dear - every time you open your mout, whoops, out comes a lie.
You know want us to believed that the PA dressed up in IDF uniforms and
carried out an atrocity on one of their own people.
You are very, very zionist.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> > The IDF didn’t win a single war since
> > 1967
>
> The mind just boggles at this comment.
Then name one and explain what constituted a victory at the bottom
line.
>
> --
> “Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
> his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”
>
> Lloyd George
coaste...@yahoo.com
> Agreed iconocl...@yahoo.com is as the topic said an idiot
>
> --
> “Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
>
> Lloyd George
I've analysed this postscript of yours. Are you going to respond?
coaste...@yahoo.com
> "Honest truth" <Honest_tr...@Wisdom.net> wrote in message
>
> news:rx8sok223kob$.aw5nkgv9iawc.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:02:02 -0000, Fish Supper wrote:
>
> >>news:ovrdu6j6r7c3$.h0chrjfasdq0.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:09:51 -0600, American Eagle wrote:
>
> >>>> Pretty much true... Even the 1967 action was a terrorist action and was
> >>>> a sneak attack to steal land and water control. None of Israels
> >>>> neighbors were mobilized or expected to be attacked.
>
> >>> The mind just boggles at this ignorant fools comments too.
>
> >> I suspect what passes for your mind boggles at quite a lot:
>
> > Well who can blame me when I read such crap.
>
> >> Try boggling this piece of IDF criminality:
> >>http://media-islam.or.id/2009/11/16/video-gaza-the-new-holocaust/58
> >> seconds
> >> in.
>
> > It was the PA, here look at these more detailed pictures.
>
> >http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/lynch2a.htm
>
> dear, oh dear - every time you open your mout, whoops, out comes a lie.
>
> You know want us to believed that the PA dressed up in IDF uniforms and
> carried out an atrocity on one of their own people.
>
> You are very, very zionist
Or Soviet. Or Nazi. Public lying by those regimes reached equally
abysmal levels.
Fish Supper
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***
I'm old enough to have seen the East/West German frontier first hand and to
have travelled in Eastern Europe during the communist period and believe me
when I say that no matter what revisionists claim, the communist period was
a dark, sinister and dehumanising time for all concerned.
However, the difference between the communists and the nazis or zionists is
that communism was a good ideology gone bad. Everyone working together for
the common good, what can be wrong with that? - it's where 'civilisation'
comes from. They simply weren't advanced enough to accommodate the need for
individual self expression and achievement with the need to harness that
within the common good.
The Nazis and Zionists, however, share an ideology of the master race and of
'Lebensraum', Gross Deutschland or Greater Israel. For the Nazis, the Jews
were simply not humans and were consequently an inferior species -
Untermenschen, literally 'less than humans' - and could therefore be
exterminated as one would exterminate rats. As for the zionists, they don't
believe for a second that the Palestinians are less than human. They just
believe that the Palestians are less human than they are. They are happy to
admit the Palestinians are people - just inferior people - and as inferiors,
they can be driven out of their homes, off their land and apart from their
heritage. Why? Becasue their superiors have droit de seigneur
You only have to look at the bitterness, bile and vituperation that the
zionists spew forth on these newsgroups. Their absolute, rabid hatred of the
Palestinians is what I believe the psychologists call 'transferance'. They
are, in fact, so deeply disgusted by the behaviour of Israel but are so
emotionally intertwined with the Israeli state that they cannot condemn it
that they are forced to transfer this anger elsewhere - and where better
than the victims.
So we end up with the zionist dregs of the newsgroups saying that the man
lying on the ground having has arms slowly and deliberately broken by IDF
soldiers was actually being attacked by Palestinians or that the child who
was tied up and blindfolded and forced in front of an IDf soldier during a
fire fight was not actually being abused as a human shield but was actually
being protected by his abuser.
This kind of insanity must have a reason for it existance - the reason is
the fascistic behaviour of Israel has left these people with nowhere to go.
They either admit they have been wrong all this time or they go along with
the propaganda and stop thinking. Their egos and arrogance simply do not
allow them any other course of action than to be rabid, vicious, extremist
fools.
dsharavi
> > The IDF didn’t win a single war since
> > 1967
>
> The mind just boggles at this comment.
Gilad Atzmon's comment immediately following is a good one too: "es,
it murdered many civilians, it flattened many cities, it
starved millions, it has been committing war crimes on a daily basis
for decades and yet, it didn’t win a war."
Now, what do you suppose this bebop/punk rocker has been smoking, and
can us run of the mill folk afford it?
Deborah
> --
> “Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
> his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”
>
> Lloyd George
Honest truth
> Now, what do you suppose this bebop/punk rocker has been smoking, and
> can us run of the mill folk afford it?
>
> Deborah
Whatever he smokes Deborah, it is good shit.
--
嚙踝蕭Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man嚙踝蕭s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. 嚙皺 If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
his own land, he is prevented from doing so.嚙踝蕭
Lloyd George
Honest truth
> On Nov 24, 2:49 am, Honest truth <Honest_tr...@Wisdom.net> wrote:
>>> The IDF didn’t win a single war since
>>> 1967
>>
>> The mind just boggles at this comment.
>
> Then name one and explain what constituted a victory at the bottom
> line.
Two immediately that spring to mind are the
War of Attrition
The Yom Kippur War.
Honest truth
I am glad you learnt something.
--
“Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
dsharavi
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:23:56 -0800 (PST), dsharavi wrote:
> > Now, what do you suppose this bebop/punk rocker has been smoking, and
> > can us run of the mill folk afford it?
>
> > Deborah
>
> Whatever he smokes Deborah, it is good shit.
lol
And it seems he's been smoking it since about 1978.
Deborah
> --
> “Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> is because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
> his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”
>
> Lloyd George
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:23:56 -0800 (PST), iconocl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 2:43 am, Honest truth <Honest_tr...@Wisdom.net> wrote:
> >> Agreed iconocl...@yahoo.com is as the topic said an idiot
>
> >> --
> >> “Of all the extreme fanaticism which plays havoc in man’s nature, there is
> >> not one as irrational as anti-Semitism. … If the Jews are rich [these
> >> fanatics] are victims of theft. If they are poor, they are victims of
> >> ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to take
> >> advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it
> >> because they are scared by their natures or traitors. If the Jew dwells
> >> in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to
> >> his own land, he is prevented from doing so.”
>
> >> Lloyd George
>
> > I've analysed this postscript of yours. Are you going to respond?
>
> I am glad you learnt something.
I did and I've explained it for you. Come on, now. Suck it up and
respond.